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Jul 18, 2021 3:47 PM
thekeyofe
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theguywiththevoice
But what about millionaire yachts and billionaire spaceships?
UncleRat
The issue in the United States is the difference between the money we need to sustain ourselves and the money we need to consume actively.
3nd3rwiggin
Questions I would like to ask every politician... 1) Do you agree that the most basic needs of every person is +
3nd3rwiggin
Food to eat, a place to live, and clothes to wear? 2) What is more important, a companies profit, or an individual?
RetroPulpMonkey
And if we as a society just take care of the bottom tier, that alone will take care of half of the safety tier.
IncognitoPanda
It's a complicated issue for sure, but I'm happy the test runs so far are very promising
kJerAFK
The whole point of a society is a collective effort to maintain basic needs for everyone so everyone can progress beyond staying alive.
afatrollofmyown
Then we don't have a society.
kJerAFK
I mean, we aren't being eaten by wolves and there's a system that works if you have enough tokens to buy food and water. So sorta
VaultGirl69
Corporate regulation doesn't mean communism. Anyone who says this hasn't studied economics or politics. Just barking shit from Facebook.
thundercactus
Yep. The most heavily socialized developed nations in the world are all ranked above the US in "best places to live".
Flowerlady0
If Universal basic income becomes a thing, would minimum wage go away? Would that mean smaller businesses could hire more people?
hadtodownvote1
It should. If you can survive without pay (beyond UBI) the employer loses its leverage and you can quit to look for better jobs, and also >
hadtodownvote1
> means you can dedicate your time & energy to a cause you believe in even if it's not profitable (yet, or ever)
1eudaemonia
but how will billonnaires be able to self actualized in space?
EroticZombiePants
With technological advancement how it is, we are probably a generation away from having to implement UBI to cover job loss from automation.
thundercactus
We had robot automation in the 1970s, the vast majority of the shops I service still don't have robots. Some still don't even have CNC.
thundercactus
Sandvik is making cutting tool inserts that are never touched by human hands, they're already AT that level of automation, yet still employ
thundercactus
plenty of people. Fact is, we're already AT the level of automation people fear. But it'll be many decades before its implemented all over.
DrKriegersClone
The authorities would rather purge any of the surplus population who get uppity about their circumstances than pay them off.
RunawaySpoons
Randomoxide
Isn't this the plot to Wall-E?
orbitn
I have only rarely ventured into level 3 in 20 years of adult life. And then, only barely, and i quickly get knocked down to level 2 or 1
afatrollofmyown
I turn 40 in a few months, and I've rarely been out of 1. Getting shelter has occupied most of my time.
orbitn
Trust me, plenty of 40 year olds out there looking for roommates. But it is difficult to even find a place with credit reqs as they are, >
orbitn
one of two reasons why we're still where we're at.. the other being i can't face up to packing again and moving right now, still healing >
orbitn
after spinal fusion. It is awful and needs to change - soon nobody will have the requisite 625 credit score
AccordingToYourMom
The first 2 base layers can be described as “Life”, the next 2 as “Liberty”, and the top as “The Pursuit of Happiness”
10001110101periodictablewithasantapieceofmind
They want slave/machines, not happy workers. Fear of safety and health keeps the wage slaves in line
TheAlviss
UBI is a great idea, but we need to regulate prices first. The greedy fucks will just charge more for everything.
PullTheLeverCronk
They already are lol
Stralau
Isn’t the trouble that the cost of the basic needs will just rise in step with UBI and soon enough you‘ll be where you started?
PDXairportCarpetFan
Child care, education, family leave, health care and public transportation should be free. Support people who learn and work.
Ice2Ice2
Hell let's just have everything free. Nobody works and we just steal the money from wherever.... How do you propose to pay for all this free
VaultGirl69
And for everyone that says it will encourage people to be lazy, they are really tossing a horrible insult at their own country.
Trevortriesbeauty
And housing and food. No one should have to pay to survive.
IIikethecutofyourjib
All of those things you both mentioned are the bottom 2. Security has to do with health, pay, and job Security too. We fucking deserve that.
Trevortriesbeauty
We're talking about the bottom 2. And I agree with you, but I don't think any of it should be tied to work. Ever.
IIikethecutofyourjib
I know you guys are, the hierarchy of needs pertains to job satisfaction and performance. A person cannot self actualize if they're scared
IIikethecutofyourjib
Of starving. The needs at the bottom need to be met before employees can do anything moving up. This was especially when people's lives
Trevortriesbeauty
Maslow's hierarchy has *nothing* to do with jobs. It's about intrinsic motivation. Divorce basic well-being from work. No exceptions.
FullSpecial
https://evolveindy.com/how-drug-addiction-corrupts-maslows-hierarchy-of-needs/
TerrenceMorgan
Yeah but this is dependent on where you are born. You don't get to choose where you are born and to what situation
theDogter
How can they maximize profits if profits are kept intentionally low. C’mon mark think!!
dingofdong
Yeah, but like...
Magnetar66
This is all possible with renewable energy. Money is a placeholder for energy. Cheaper electricity means lower utility bills etc ...
trippingthelightfantastic
https://imgur.com/t/ubi/fbvW7LM
Dunch42
I get what she's saying and I don't disagree, but who does the unfavorable jobs?
marteney1
“Imagine the power of the worker” is exactly why the powers that be work to keep this from happening.Capitalism depends on existential dread
transference
Only the underregulated, predatory capitalism that we have now
Tuyrrtjfs6ocgrsiv
Could someone who downvoted this explain why they did? Genuine question and I wont try to attack you.
seedye
The terminally lazy won’t be less lazy if they’re forced to work. They’ll just underperform and cost a lot and piss off your customers. 1/
seedye
I would gladly chip in to keep those people out of the workforce. 2/2
ExpectedDickbuttGotDickbutt
I think “adequate unemployment insurance” gets accepted way better than “UBI” (even if they are effectively identical)
Doonesman
Yes, but they're not equivalent. UBI applies whether you're working or not.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
UI has a qualification step though, and it only lasts a limited time. UBI would always be there.
Rebonack
Unemployment insurance has the potential for negative incentives to work while UBI doesn't. If everyone does better everyone does better.
ExpectedDickbuttGotDickbutt
I wasn’t really talking about which is more rational or useful, rather what could even be possible in this political climate
Rebonack
Given how much conservatives have been bitching about unemployment out-competing wages they might actually give it consideration.
bro02tc
So pyramid 2 the archeologists need to get to work digging is what I see here
Erumun
fuck i'm never getting out of the bottom one am i.
ExtremeCowEnthusiast
Universal Basic income is affordable if corporations started paying taxes.
Ice2Ice2
No it would not be affordable.
Nunyajonesinc
When I was younger I thought a Star Trek like future was possible for humanity. Now all I see is Elysium
xyxyxyxy31
Zincee
I'm still seeing Mad Max, because even the rich aren't moving fast enough to escape the coming calamities.
ThicclikePaulBunyan
Maybe it's time to shatter the glass ceiling and give the power back to the peoples.
Nacon
Oh it's still possible... the problem is that Star Trek stated we had World War 3 in 2026 until 2053. ....yeah. :/
Subtilico
We seem to be right on track then.
Nacon
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/World_War_III
LordNergal
That's not necessarily an unrealistic prediction, though it won't be over genetic manipulation. Climate change-caused water scarsity could 1
LordNergal
easily spawn World War 3 in the next 5 to 10 years. And with the water scarsity being a long-term problem, fighting might go on awhile. 2/2
Nacon
What if... the genetic manipulation allowed you use less water and give you the ability to tolerate high temp weather?
Nacon
But only the wealthy people has the access to this, the poor are left out and got the worse of the climate change?
JestersWing
Won't somebody think of the multinational, super-conglomerate, mega-corporations and their CEOs multimillion dollar bonuses to themselves?
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Who do you think we need to bury to cover up the lower parts of the pyramid?
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
The rich.
SteveMND
Yeah, but people on UBI would still be buying things—they'd just be assured of having a minimum amount of money to do so with, wouldn't it?
AccountCreatedToUpvoteDogs
As long as laws are structured so rent and goods don't just go up by the ubi amount (see: college tuition once govt backed loans showed up)
AccountCreatedToUpvoteDogs
Rent controls, and/or higher income tax rates, discourage needless gouging for profit. Otherwise the oligarchs will siphon the UBI.
Muunk
They feel psychologically unsafe with UBI
MentalShibari
It is different than the typical oppressive, elitist, caste system, so yes, illogical insecurity. Focusing on liabilities is all most know..
glenngriffon
oh believe me, we're taking it into account.
HeadJamistan
Won't someone think of the billionaire space race?
OddBrock
eaglemonkey325
Bonuses that ste supposed to be divided among shareholders rather than used to line their pockets
obviouslyrob
Who else would be able to buy a yacht that can house a smaller yacht inside it? Think of the yacht builders!
RPCharImages
WONT SOMEBODY THINK OF THE YACHT BUILDERS?!
JestersWing
Well, the yacht builders would likely see more business, as people could afford one for leisure instead of things like a second job for food
RPCharImages
Get outta here with that logic!
JestersWing
Right? If 4% mor people could afford their first yacht, mine won't be as impressive /s
welluhwhatdoyouwantmetosay
$40 million golden parachutes if they fail. Run the company into the ground, and still do well personally.
YoSamiteSam
All that money goes right back to groceries, rent, utilities, cars, and then clothes, shoes, entertainment, etc. Not factories and mines.
YoSamiteSam
Nobody is going to upset the status quo, but the people who would otherwise be constantly stressed will be able to survive.
ControversialLeftistLesbian
Fuck the multinational, super-conglomerate, mega-corporations and their CEOs multimillion dollar bonuses to themselves.
veteransgrow
Because they are good people, don’t you know? It’s the businesses that were no good
VitaminJay
We are...
coothlesscthulhuwastaken
AlienNippleAntennae
I wish this was more of a french revolution and less of a logical fantasy.
UnitConversionBotButTerrible
VitaminJay
Love your username!
UnitConversionBotButTerrible
coothlesscthulhuwastaken