May 22, 2013 6:28 AM
Barneywaitforitstinson
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HilaryCrowston2
wild animals still have unacceptably high levels of radiation. (4)
ElGrandeBanana
Radiation is one of the most scary things I can imagine, next to microwaving yourself
MunchMaCoochi
And plot twist- microwave is a form of radiation. Just a longer wavelength than gamma and shorter than visual light (also radiation).
I know that.
shartfearer
What's the point of the "geiger counter" if it's limit is at a safe level of 3.6?
stormshare
The meter indicates only the working environment,its like taking a kelvin thermometer to the sun and saying"oh yeah it`s hot here"
FuzzyX
Dosimeters come in two varieties. Low radiation for everyday use & high radiation for disasters. Going to maximum is a big warning.
Insideanus
soviet safety standards were lacking to say the least
sadman13
They didn't need a measurement higher than that, and they knew when it hit 3.6 that it was over 3.6 and bad news.
we have CO detectors that have similar function, they don't go over 250 because at 250 we are expected to vacate the area.
creatingusernamesgivesmeanxiety
That's just what I was thinking. "Here's a thermometer to make sure we don't overheat, but it can only read up to 98.6 degrees F."
ScootyPuffSr
It was probably there to measure small doses over long periods, eg. a woker's yearly maximum allowable dose, not signal evacuations.
aurium
...nobody was diving in any pools "during the meltdown".. this is bs.
MitchellKweli
Wait... We're putting wolves in radioactive areas? Haven't you heard of werewolves people?
CthuluFlaps
i think thats what we're going for
enoughwiththemonkeybusiness
What about turtles? TMNT fo' realsies.
we got to find 4 turtles and a martial artist willing to be genetically transformed into a rodent it may take time but damn it..must be done
absolutezero182
My thoughts went more on the side of Moon Moon...
dassemultor
Oh, for god's sake.
halocon720
You know that they moved there of their own accord, right? Besides, no hunter in their right mind would ever go to Chernobyl.
YourUncleMoe
There are people out there trying to make Dire Wolves like in Game of Thrones
beffeer
My exact thoughts...we are weird
MrSirNobody
We didn't put the fucking animals there, they settled all by themesefles
Iamaniceguy
in the first two years after the meltdown, 200.000 socalled liquidators, workers who cleaned the shit up, worked there. today 50.000 (1/2)
Alxetora
fun fact that's 1/4
(2/2) of them are dead... those who are still alive suffer from radiation sickness
nfbassman
50,000 people used to live there. Now it's a ghost town.
Grassy21
Cheers Captain Price.
WeAreScientists
To be honest, I'm surprised not more of them are dead. Horrible that they are mind you, but that number surprises me.
xira3
"Breaks down irradiated particles for energy". Please, tell me more of a fungus that performs the fission process. I laff'd
IratetheD
this isn't new info i remember reading about it a year or two ago. Also it was on the discovery channel.
RabbleRabbleTheFirst
Number 5 seems like pure slavic logic.
[deleted]
That's cool, and i knew there was probably some scientific foundation. Just growing up with part my family from ukraine/poland (1/2)
I started to notice the use of vodka to solve things lost its scientific value and became just the thing to do. (2/2)
pennstateproud936
"You are dying a slow painful death...drink vodka" - Every Russian Everywhere
PontificalUndulationsOfBlasphemicGesticulation
Well, that's just the most logical thing to do, right after smoking all the marihuanas you can find.
apparently snorting cocaine reduces the chances of getting cancer....the more you know
chainletter
"slavic logic"
PsychedChicken
This messed me up... I thought you meant the OTHER #5
KhefKaandKaTet
Me too, which I was about to happily point out as something that is possible now.
IPledgeAllegianceToTheDJ
*slagic
ttosca
slogic.
itoldyouiwasfreaky
So does #7. "So what if radioactive? WE MAKE SHIELD. BIGGER THAN PUNY STATUE."
benj1008
That's nonsense. A bigger containment structure because the existing sarcophagus has been deteriorating (in danger of collapse).
malign
Learn the properties of vodka before you bash a nation by stereotypes.
kg989
Got a problem? Vodka!
Aralia
What are you saying... that vodka isn't a panacea? :p
Keydan
Meh, It work for me comrade.
EndersShadow
Has anyone not noticed there is 2 #10's?
TheFilliPan
2 #9's too
stedlieye
Fucking Majestic.
make that 2 everythings
8bitTunes
there's two of each one to show that those two are related, hence the way they did "3 guys went into the reactor pool, then died heroes"
Cowmayihelpu
BBC documentary on it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk3-XUe0oEU
TheBostonBruins
Yeah let me just click a link and watch it for an hour.....pffft
cykel
(commenting to return to this later...)
revoluzion
I'm watching it now... :S
EyeballKid
it's very difficult to watch this, because Ade Edmondson is in it. I just keep expecting him to break out into Vyvyan.
GuffTrumpets
Bloody hell I thought it was him! He's an awesome actor
NoiceSmart
Commenting to watch when i'm not at work. Thanks!!
shannonkk
I'm just commenting so I can find this again...
Mattador701
Brilliant docudrama. Thanks for the link.
futrk
They went inside the shelter in this bbc documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eVubF9TkBo
mythofechelon
This is the best one I've ever seen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiPgsesupDQ
GrandmaHoodie
I like this one, too. It helps explain the questions people seem to have about how it actually exploded.
Svartsinn
Well thank god, I finished watching all the documentaries on my current Must Watch. Now I have 5 more to watch, Game of Thrones S3 can wait!
TheFeralDog
If you just want to read http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/Safety-and-Security/Safety-of-Plants/Chernobyl-Accident/
I like this because it is pure fact no bias, no spin, no agenda just simple facts.
Awesome. This I can do at work. Thank you!
WetNap52
I need to be studying for an exam today. You have effectively taken away an hour of that time...
kelltrill
Seconded
VeggieNinja93
It looks like a docudrama-- how reliable is the information? I don't know much about Chernobyl and I would love to know more.
YourMommaWasASnowblwer
http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/Safety-and-Security/Safety-of-Plants/Chernobyl-Accident/ just facts, credit to newtroll for link
this one is more documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiPgsesupDQ
Thank you!
jcbm
There's a lot of cool pics of the remains here http://www.kiddofspeed.com Internet classic!
betsyss
The photographs were fascinating. Thanks!
TheRealLizardKing
SO that explains Moon Moon.
pancreas
also, 50,000 people used to live there. now it's a ghost town.
rantomi
approx. around 100-300 people live in the exclusion zone.
Builderb0y
And all of them were evacuated in 3 hours.
arightbadbastard
because of the radiation
I made this exact comment 3 hours before you. Mine got downvoted. It would appear that you are luckier than I. Have an upvote.
Oh shit son. I looked for this comment before posting mine, but didn't think to check the downvoted posts I guess
S'all good man, no worries at all
rostit
SOAP!
Silicium
Bullshit.
kcloud
Fungus that feeds off of radiation. I guess life......uh..........uh uh uh......fin-uh-ds a way.
DrBruleFyerHealth
Yes! Best comment I've read all day.
Kittenz
Checkmate!
shawesome
This was exactly what I thought when I read that. +1!
Dotanuki
It's the melanin. It doesn't really feed, but uses it as an energy transporter. If you ate the mushroom you would get all the Cs137 it had.
ImageScienceGirl
Idk but to me it makes sense...life adapts to its environment and new life forms based on it...did you know there are shrimp that live (1/2)
in water 4 times hotter than boiling point, deep down in the sea where there is volcanic activity? (2/2)
prattleassassin
As someone who's seen The Andromeda Strain, right now I'm terrified.
This is a Japanese superhero/monster movie waiting to be made -- wake up, people!
Almughtil
so you mean nausica?
fugacity
It only absorbs radiation like plants absorb solar radiation. It doesn't "break down irradiated particles". That would be nuclear physics.
But it can't harness that radiation for metabolism, it just takes the dose like every other creature- ie completely different from solar.
Well, the mechanism isn't tied down and I haven't looked into the research, but from wiki.p., it looks promising that melanin = chlorophill.
And that's what i have a problem with. This is observation, not proof of mechanism. Correlation my friendly imgurian.
In any case, you agree that there isn't mini particle accelerators or nuclear piles in the fungus, "breaking down irradiated particles". No?
Correct, the fungi are not doing nuclear physics. They might be using normal reactions using radioactive versions of normal stable isotopes
System3rror
does anyone else see that wolf eating the other wolf's tail?
StringVariable
... Moon Moon -_- WTF are you doing there?
sweetpeasoup
yesss, I love reading about chernobyl
AlanKesselmann
My uncle was in russian army when this happened. And he was one of the guys forced to clean ths mess up. He is now 10 years dead. Cancer.
Bit more background to that: He was estonian. At 1986 we were still part of ussr and were forced to go to their army. That was his fate.
nagini
So how come when I try to explain that there were no volunteers and they were all forced to go there I get downvoted...sheesh
Cause everybody in russian army were "volunteers" nobody was ever forced to do anything there. But yes. There were "volunteers".
irontom
Sorry about your uncle. I totally read your comment with a Russian accent. Sorry about that too.
frescadeee
But wouldn't the radiation also affect the animals?
Deadmanxing
Yes, but animals with much shorter life spans are less affected by diseases such as cancer which are the result of long term exposure.
LeruLeruLeru
2/2 generations of them. Their lifespan is shorter, therefore the mutation/adapting is faster. (Malcolm's quote here ;) )
1/2 Also, scientists have been keeping eye on particular mice there. It seems that since the dissaster there have been 43 (or more!)
You cant really say it that way
This is patently false.
PurpleThomas
There's increased mutations (frogs with six legs, etc.) however the animals seem to be doing okay generally. It should be noted that (1)
countries have to monitor radiation levels in meat or animal feed. Wild game is banned in some countries (such as Germany) because some (3)
plants across Northern Europe (From Britain to Germany to Norway) still contain residual levels of radioactivity from fallout, and these (2)
hette
They figure their lifespans are short enough on the whole that they don't suffer as many issues.
I forgot I'd asked this, saw my notifications and thought 'what the fuck have I done' - so thank you for your answer!
Yeah I always freak out when I get replies. Usually because I said something more offensive than this.
yeah that's why I was confused, I couldn't think of anything controversial I'd said recently!
t3hpr0nst4r
So I'm supposed to believe that the Russians drank vodka... to reduce the chance of thyroid cancer? Riiiiiight -wink-
perlcat
I am. Just to be safe.
keyword was they believed. probably just to improve morale on an otherwise dreadful/suicidal mission
thekidshavecrabs
*Ukrainians. Not Russians.
SirIlliterate
Technically it's Ukrainians.
intooblv
Nuclear Ukrainians. Say that five times fast.
Not technically, but actually! Thanks for pointing this out :)
SuzannieBananie
TIL: I don't ever have to worry about getting thyroid cancer due to radiation.
DimitarBerbatov
Pretty much every point is bullshit (coming from a physics person).
snarker
Rad suits do not protect the way people think. The suits simply allow you to keep contaminated materials off skin & out of eyes, lungs.
upvote for you, and completely correct. Short of covering yourself in hundreds of pounds of lead...
cheekyginger
So basically wearing a radiation suit is like using TP to pick up a hairball?
kindof? The idea is to prevent ingestion and prolonged contact (this is why fukushima workers showered- to remove potential particles)
mitanni
Then in K19 when they only have chemical suits and they say "They may as well give them raincoats!" the chemsuits would work just fine?
Yes. Any sealed suit would work.
I assumed radsuits were basically full body versions of the aprons they give you when the dentist takes X-rays. Not so?
Not at all. The suits are designed just to keep dust and other contaminated materials away from skin, eyes, mouth etc.
mistersocrates
Kurt Vonnegut's brother Bernard discovered that silver iodide could create rain clouds. So Kurt claimed in many essays, at any rate.
JacksCompleteLackOfAUsername
Number 4 - Guess we know where Moon Moon came from.
There was never any danger of an explosion 10x bigger than Hiroshima.
I really would like to see a credible source on that statement, yeah.
AeonexAshaxei
http://www.scotsman.com/news/stephen-mcginty-lead-coffins-and-a-nation-s-thanks-for-the-chernobyl-suicide-squad-1-1532289
Either they mean the fallout would be 10 times worse, or they're suggesting a multi-kiloton steam explosion.
andybrice
I'm pretty sure a nuclear power station can't turn into a nuclear bomb just because they both have the word "nuclear" in their name.
jw1487
wait... we can make it rain? And yes, that IS what I got from this...
Kittenmeat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiZwUJhEhVk
evols
why didnt ted mosby use this method?
Lack of access to artillery probably.
TheKingOfTown
wait, people didn't know this?
TheSwedishInternNahJustKiddingIAmBrown
I heard the chinese did it during the beijing olympics. But I may be wrong. I am surrounded by gas bags.
RedError
Or before, to prevent rainy days after.
hellblaster5
Also, the silver they use can accumulate and be dangerous to the environment and cause even more problems if used too much
packedmedusa
read Michael Crichton's State of Fear
WithNothingBetterToDo
It is also possible to purchase "sunshine" on a cloudy day, or when its rainy. You can purchase a clear part of sky where you want it to be
Vonya
It basically forces already-present cloud to form density and thus cause rain. It can never work on a clear sky.
MyLadyOfKittyCats
I can see how we could put this to really good use in drought areas, if the had clouds of course.
ManifestPangolin
Look up the Geritol Solution to global warming and making rain will not surprise you.
frishkorn
Yeah they use "cloud seating" every year in the plains states to help with rainfall in areas that are prone to drought that year.
WittyNerdReference
Yeah. It's called seeding.
holy crap man - that was 2 years ago. Where did you come across this post again?
I searched "history"
mxmaster
BUT.. can we make it hail?
nerdtoast
Someone should tell California
Holy Frack - I can't believe I have a top comment. I'm upvoting every single reply to this. Smack my sally and call me fanny.
TheBIpolarImgurianThatLovesChesterCheetoFries
you can make it snow too. they did that over moscow.
steviEa
2. By creating rain we also screw over nearby areas that were supposed to receive that rain
heinousanus00
http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Make_93e010_629586.jpg
cgvega
we can even set fire to it
It's also been said that by us creating rain, 1. we screw up the natural rain cycle and potentially decrease the amount of rain in area
WeHasCheezbrger
It's called Cloud Seeding
TheRaptorJezuz
Tasmania has multiple planes that disperse silver iodide to create clouds over their dams (they rely on hydro electricity quite a bit).
beeanisimo
Dubai does it.
Gyrofalco
but can whe make it "CHOCOLATE RAIN?"
DeathMaker900
china has been known to use this for a while
JerkfaceWithTheFaceOfAJerk
Have we learned nothing from One Piece?!
PortgasDAce
Took the words right out of my mouth. That's all I thought of when I saw that.
Kikage
<3!!!!!
garthol
OMG I JUST GOT TO THIS PART I'M ON THE AR/ALABASTA ARC!
ABigStupidJellyfish
I was looking for someone to mention this. You did not disappoint.
sockyrc
that's nice, but right now it would be much better if we could make the f**king clouds go away... I need sun, I really need it, RIGHT NOW!!!
goobernoodles
Seattle?
Worse, LUXEMBOURG!
choff
Only on 'dem hoes
Sxumfxck
There are two types of people. You're my favorite type.
AlakazamRemindsMeOfASlowLorisButHeHasAMoustacheAndBendySpoons
I even stretched my fingers to type this.. +1
MrsNedRyerson
I signed in to upvote this comment.
TehAccountant
i make it rain, i make it rain!!!
creampuff124
Aren't you the person who now has to fuck an Ikea chair?
aDaewooLanos1985
TheGriffin
Chocolate rain
azimpetra
China does it like most of the time, they fire a cannon up in the sky to make it rain.
BELGIANfries
a cannon with chemical particles* -now anyone care to tell me which particles?
downvotersarefrom9gag
Silver Iodide
AtHomeWithTrolls
I thought they would fire a cannon up there to make it not rain?
jessified
http://img.pandawhale.com/44235-make-it-rain-obama-gif-YM7I.gif
ahrefodiggsy
Obama money! "where did it come from?" His stash, I don't know!
ChemJen
Thanks Obama
MrROFLKNIFE
That guy balancing money on his head in the back...
Antipus405
It's incredibly expensive, and it doesn't always work. Also, there need to be clouds already there, basically. It's called cloud seeding.
shadowbarker
coooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool.......
ThaDeanWinchester
I heard about that on that show about the podcast, I think its called stuff you should know. Awesome show/podcast
TheFuckIsThisTheFuckWasThat
They did it last month here in the UAE. Made a weekend's worth of clouds last for a week. Everyone lost it, lol.
AnExpert
why though
LondonRook
They also did it during the Beijing Olympics because air pollution was so out of control.
It almost never rains here. Trying to improve loval agriculture.
infinityparadox
It will take the rain from other regions. Similar effects are created by mtns. water particles condense up 1 side, dry air down the other.
Blergbot
interesting stuff here.
oh, well than. carry on
UAE could probably afford it as a monthly thing. No racism here. Average car from what I hear is a Range Rover.
misskeyyne
credit to alltime10s - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWwhRjGBNb4
cuteputta
yes i know the user but op dint gave and credit :(
subscribed!
CGMR
Good. I was scrolling through the comments looking for a credit link because I knew this wasn't his. Also saw this last night on YT.
21charactersinthename
THANK YOU. op is a top douche for blatantly stealing other people's work. -___-
haha i actually watched the video just a few hours before seeing this post, and recognised it immediately!
LoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooongUsername
same here :D
me too. i've actually been subscribed to the channel for a few months now.
the0rthopaedicsurgeon
#10: nuclear explosions are not possible whatever goes wrong with a nuclear reactor.
othernym
THANK YOU. I doubted everything after that.
gerd590
1/3 It would have been a thermo explosion, not a nuclear one. The core was on fire and eventually melted through the concrete floor, into a
Totally true. But that would be like 0.001x Hiroshima, not 10x. That's not within 10 ballparks of a nuclear explosion.
2/3 chamber underneath the reacter that was fillied with hundreds of thousands of gallons of water. Had the two mixed, it would have created
3/3 an enormous explosion. Source:http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=yk3-XUe0oEU#t=1615s
..an explosion 10x bigger than hiroshima? hardly...
nommek
Yep. Reactor fuel CANNOT undergo a fission explosion.
Actually, in this case, it can. Check out around 32:30 and after https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiPgsesupDQ
Sure it can explode, but not a nuclear explosion. The u235/238 mix in a power plant is never capable of it.
I think that's where people seem to be getting hung up. Or, I could just be misreading some of these comments as "explosion" is impossible.
potshot
I think the point is the outcome(i.e. the amount of contamination). Even at 100kts, the explosion is small relative to the rest of (1)
jamesb845
Nuclear power plants don't explode the way nuclear weapons do. The fissile material used in power plants is far lower grade. So no way 10x
yes and no - it's not as much a question of radiochemical purity as it is of construction.
the damage caused.(2)
i believe that indeed the explosion itself was meant (-> see "fact" no. 10)
the effects could well have been as large, barring the physical explosion. It's just an awkward wording of a misunderstood fact.
Hiroshima's bomb was 13-18 kilotons. The US detonated a 15,000 kiloton device in 1954. 10x for Chernobyl is 130-180kt, and this was in 1986.
what i wanted to express is that it is technically not possible for a nuc. power plant to explode like a nuc. bomb
The explosion issue explained. Check out around 32:30 and after aroiund 33:00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiPgsesupDQ
nuclear engineer here, trying to swat away the ignorance. It hurts, it hurts a lot
thanks man, i just upvoted every comment you wrote on this so called "the more you know" post
Mattdawgiedog
why not?
The how and why of a 2nd explosion is explained around 32:30 (and after) around 33:00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiPgsesupDQ
They are built in such a way that an exponentially growing chain reaction needed for a big explosion is impossible.
hohounk
actually it's the fuel that isn't good enough and "eats" too many neutrons. That's why weapons-grade uranium exists, it has less "stuff".
The same way an airport can't fly like an airplane. They have similar names but they're different things.
On a more serious note, I believe they use different nuclear fuels. One for sudden energy release, the other for slow sustained output.
hard to explain briefly - but essentially, the explosion of the reactor was a "conventional" explosion while a nukebomb explodes by (1/2)
totally consuming its radiactive ingredients in a nuclear chain reaction. for further information please consult wikipedia :)
As a nuclear engineer, i call BS on #10, 9, 3 and 1. Divers in a pool during the meltdown? No. Sorry. (cont)
It is true that divers entered the containment pool below the reactor knowing they would die but I believe this was to check for damage.
SnowMeowPlush
http://moralcourageheros.weebly.com/chernobyl-divers.html They dove to open a valve to prevent a possible bigger steam explosion.
Klingon00
Exactly, and a meltdown does not mean nuke explosion. The explosion was from steam buildup. Radiation was spread by the force of steam.
How bad it was at Chernobyl during the disaster is that some people climbed on roofs to get a better view. They never came back down.
sempiris
Google alexei ananenko, valeri bezpalov, boris baranov
noxfalcon
Typical Sensationalist BS, I'm really sad and angry on how many people buy this shit without questioning. :<
MoarWaffles
They actually did send soldiers into the plant for short periods of time, it was obviously detrimental to their health, but in return, they
were honorably discharged by the Soviet Military as a way to repay them.
However, I do not know whether they sent divers into the pool. But I know they did send troops inside the reactor immediately afterwards
biclighter
They did, and they did not die. One is still alive today.
Supernerdtastic
"No. Sorry." Come on you can explain better than that.
LicensedAdHominem
You can't get a 200 kT TNT explosion from power-grade uranium in pretty much any amount. This... this is just retarded.
I'm just curious about the pool, is there just not a pool to be jumping into or what?
If you want to get insta-cooked... Radiation tends to heat water up. That's why Chernobyl exploded, after all--steam blew up. 1/3
2/3 I presume it's about preventing more water reaching the exploded part, so there wouldn't be a secondary *steam* explosion.
cont- #9 was specific to workers clearing graphite (from the core) off the roof after the steam explosion, and 40 sec wasn't safe either...
cont- #3 no creature fungus or otherwise can 'harness' radioactive decay for metabolism. Radioactivity destroys indiscriminantly
DeathtyOneDeathtyTwoDeathtyThree
And with that you lost any credibility.
Ionizing radiation cascades through crystals, cells, biologicals or steel structures. They cause damage. Some can be repaired. Why the loss?
oaberbyamd
He might refer to the post in general?
and finally #1- the military may have used shells but that didn't stop the airborne radioactivity- Trace amounts can be detected anywhere
It's from an episode of The Colbert Report, and it's alright. Mainly a lurker here anyway. Got the wife addicted though ;)
IAmNotSarcastic
Rain was used to reduce the airborne radiation, it was never going to completely remove it but radioactive particles would be attracted 1/2
2/2 to the water and fall closer to the source than when dry. It was a desperate attempt to stop the spread
Horus175
Did they ever tell you the story about SL-1; the Army reactor?
Our professor did actually, if only to tell a gruesome tale of a man impaled upon the ceiling.
HilaryCrowston2
wild animals still have unacceptably high levels of radiation. (4)
ElGrandeBanana
Radiation is one of the most scary things I can imagine, next to microwaving yourself
MunchMaCoochi
And plot twist- microwave is a form of radiation. Just a longer wavelength than gamma and shorter than visual light (also radiation).
ElGrandeBanana
I know that.
shartfearer
What's the point of the "geiger counter" if it's limit is at a safe level of 3.6?
stormshare
The meter indicates only the working environment,its like taking a kelvin thermometer to the sun and saying"oh yeah it`s hot here"
FuzzyX
Dosimeters come in two varieties. Low radiation for everyday use & high radiation for disasters. Going to maximum is a big warning.
Insideanus
soviet safety standards were lacking to say the least
sadman13
They didn't need a measurement higher than that, and they knew when it hit 3.6 that it was over 3.6 and bad news.
sadman13
we have CO detectors that have similar function, they don't go over 250 because at 250 we are expected to vacate the area.
creatingusernamesgivesmeanxiety
That's just what I was thinking. "Here's a thermometer to make sure we don't overheat, but it can only read up to 98.6 degrees F."
ScootyPuffSr
It was probably there to measure small doses over long periods, eg. a woker's yearly maximum allowable dose, not signal evacuations.
aurium
...nobody was diving in any pools "during the meltdown".. this is bs.
MitchellKweli
Wait... We're putting wolves in radioactive areas? Haven't you heard of werewolves people?
CthuluFlaps
i think thats what we're going for
enoughwiththemonkeybusiness
What about turtles? TMNT fo' realsies.
CthuluFlaps
we got to find 4 turtles and a martial artist willing to be genetically transformed into a rodent it may take time but damn it..must be done
absolutezero182
My thoughts went more on the side of Moon Moon...
dassemultor
Oh, for god's sake.
halocon720
You know that they moved there of their own accord, right? Besides, no hunter in their right mind would ever go to Chernobyl.
YourUncleMoe
There are people out there trying to make Dire Wolves like in Game of Thrones
beffeer
My exact thoughts...we are weird
MrSirNobody
We didn't put the fucking animals there, they settled all by themesefles
Iamaniceguy
in the first two years after the meltdown, 200.000 socalled liquidators, workers who cleaned the shit up, worked there. today 50.000 (1/2)
Alxetora
fun fact that's 1/4
Iamaniceguy
(2/2) of them are dead... those who are still alive suffer from radiation sickness
nfbassman
50,000 people used to live there. Now it's a ghost town.
Grassy21
Cheers Captain Price.
WeAreScientists
To be honest, I'm surprised not more of them are dead. Horrible that they are mind you, but that number surprises me.
xira3
"Breaks down irradiated particles for energy". Please, tell me more of a fungus that performs the fission process. I laff'd
IratetheD
this isn't new info i remember reading about it a year or two ago. Also it was on the discovery channel.
RabbleRabbleTheFirst
Number 5 seems like pure slavic logic.
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RabbleRabbleTheFirst
That's cool, and i knew there was probably some scientific foundation. Just growing up with part my family from ukraine/poland (1/2)
RabbleRabbleTheFirst
I started to notice the use of vodka to solve things lost its scientific value and became just the thing to do. (2/2)
pennstateproud936
"You are dying a slow painful death...drink vodka" - Every Russian Everywhere
PontificalUndulationsOfBlasphemicGesticulation
Well, that's just the most logical thing to do, right after smoking all the marihuanas you can find.
pennstateproud936
apparently snorting cocaine reduces the chances of getting cancer....the more you know
chainletter
"slavic logic"
PsychedChicken
This messed me up... I thought you meant the OTHER #5
KhefKaandKaTet
Me too, which I was about to happily point out as something that is possible now.
IPledgeAllegianceToTheDJ
*slagic
ttosca
slogic.
itoldyouiwasfreaky
So does #7. "So what if radioactive? WE MAKE SHIELD. BIGGER THAN PUNY STATUE."
benj1008
That's nonsense. A bigger containment structure because the existing sarcophagus has been deteriorating (in danger of collapse).
malign
Learn the properties of vodka before you bash a nation by stereotypes.
kg989
Got a problem? Vodka!
Aralia
What are you saying... that vodka isn't a panacea? :p
Keydan
Meh, It work for me comrade.
EndersShadow
Has anyone not noticed there is 2 #10's?
TheFilliPan
2 #9's too
stedlieye
Fucking Majestic.
TheFilliPan
make that 2 everythings
8bitTunes
there's two of each one to show that those two are related, hence the way they did "3 guys went into the reactor pool, then died heroes"
Cowmayihelpu
BBC documentary on it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk3-XUe0oEU
TheBostonBruins
Yeah let me just click a link and watch it for an hour.....pffft
cykel
(commenting to return to this later...)
revoluzion
I'm watching it now... :S
EyeballKid
it's very difficult to watch this, because Ade Edmondson is in it. I just keep expecting him to break out into Vyvyan.
GuffTrumpets
Bloody hell I thought it was him! He's an awesome actor
NoiceSmart
Commenting to watch when i'm not at work. Thanks!!
shannonkk
I'm just commenting so I can find this again...
Mattador701
Brilliant docudrama. Thanks for the link.
futrk
They went inside the shelter in this bbc documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eVubF9TkBo
mythofechelon
This is the best one I've ever seen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiPgsesupDQ
GrandmaHoodie
I like this one, too. It helps explain the questions people seem to have about how it actually exploded.
Svartsinn
Well thank god, I finished watching all the documentaries on my current Must Watch. Now I have 5 more to watch, Game of Thrones S3 can wait!
TheFeralDog
If you just want to read http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/Safety-and-Security/Safety-of-Plants/Chernobyl-Accident/
TheFeralDog
I like this because it is pure fact no bias, no spin, no agenda just simple facts.
NoiceSmart
Awesome. This I can do at work. Thank you!
WetNap52
I need to be studying for an exam today. You have effectively taken away an hour of that time...
kelltrill
Seconded
VeggieNinja93
It looks like a docudrama-- how reliable is the information? I don't know much about Chernobyl and I would love to know more.
YourMommaWasASnowblwer
http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/Safety-and-Security/Safety-of-Plants/Chernobyl-Accident/ just facts, credit to newtroll for link
GrandmaHoodie
this one is more documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiPgsesupDQ
VeggieNinja93
Thank you!
jcbm
There's a lot of cool pics of the remains here http://www.kiddofspeed.com Internet classic!
betsyss
The photographs were fascinating. Thanks!
TheRealLizardKing
SO that explains Moon Moon.
pancreas
also, 50,000 people used to live there. now it's a ghost town.
rantomi
approx. around 100-300 people live in the exclusion zone.
Builderb0y
And all of them were evacuated in 3 hours.
arightbadbastard
because of the radiation
nfbassman
I made this exact comment 3 hours before you. Mine got downvoted. It would appear that you are luckier than I. Have an upvote.
pancreas
Oh shit son. I looked for this comment before posting mine, but didn't think to check the downvoted posts I guess
nfbassman
S'all good man, no worries at all
rostit
SOAP!
Silicium
Bullshit.
kcloud
Fungus that feeds off of radiation. I guess life......uh..........uh uh uh......fin-uh-ds a way.
DrBruleFyerHealth
Yes! Best comment I've read all day.
Kittenz
Checkmate!
shawesome
This was exactly what I thought when I read that. +1!
Dotanuki
It's the melanin. It doesn't really feed, but uses it as an energy transporter. If you ate the mushroom you would get all the Cs137 it had.
ImageScienceGirl
Idk but to me it makes sense...life adapts to its environment and new life forms based on it...did you know there are shrimp that live (1/2)
ImageScienceGirl
in water 4 times hotter than boiling point, deep down in the sea where there is volcanic activity? (2/2)
prattleassassin
As someone who's seen The Andromeda Strain, right now I'm terrified.
IPledgeAllegianceToTheDJ
This is a Japanese superhero/monster movie waiting to be made -- wake up, people!
Almughtil
so you mean nausica?
fugacity
It only absorbs radiation like plants absorb solar radiation. It doesn't "break down irradiated particles". That would be nuclear physics.
MunchMaCoochi
But it can't harness that radiation for metabolism, it just takes the dose like every other creature- ie completely different from solar.
fugacity
Well, the mechanism isn't tied down and I haven't looked into the research, but from wiki.p., it looks promising that melanin = chlorophill.
MunchMaCoochi
And that's what i have a problem with. This is observation, not proof of mechanism. Correlation my friendly imgurian.
fugacity
In any case, you agree that there isn't mini particle accelerators or nuclear piles in the fungus, "breaking down irradiated particles". No?
MunchMaCoochi
Correct, the fungi are not doing nuclear physics. They might be using normal reactions using radioactive versions of normal stable isotopes
System3rror
does anyone else see that wolf eating the other wolf's tail?
StringVariable
... Moon Moon -_- WTF are you doing there?
sweetpeasoup
yesss, I love reading about chernobyl
AlanKesselmann
My uncle was in russian army when this happened. And he was one of the guys forced to clean ths mess up. He is now 10 years dead. Cancer.
AlanKesselmann
Bit more background to that: He was estonian. At 1986 we were still part of ussr and were forced to go to their army. That was his fate.
nagini
So how come when I try to explain that there were no volunteers and they were all forced to go there I get downvoted...sheesh
AlanKesselmann
Cause everybody in russian army were "volunteers" nobody was ever forced to do anything there. But yes. There were "volunteers".
irontom
Sorry about your uncle. I totally read your comment with a Russian accent. Sorry about that too.
frescadeee
But wouldn't the radiation also affect the animals?
Deadmanxing
Yes, but animals with much shorter life spans are less affected by diseases such as cancer which are the result of long term exposure.
LeruLeruLeru
2/2 generations of them. Their lifespan is shorter, therefore the mutation/adapting is faster. (Malcolm's quote here ;) )
LeruLeruLeru
1/2 Also, scientists have been keeping eye on particular mice there. It seems that since the dissaster there have been 43 (or more!)
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ElGrandeBanana
You cant really say it that way
MunchMaCoochi
This is patently false.
PurpleThomas
There's increased mutations (frogs with six legs, etc.) however the animals seem to be doing okay generally. It should be noted that (1)
PurpleThomas
countries have to monitor radiation levels in meat or animal feed. Wild game is banned in some countries (such as Germany) because some (3)
PurpleThomas
plants across Northern Europe (From Britain to Germany to Norway) still contain residual levels of radioactivity from fallout, and these (2)
hette
They figure their lifespans are short enough on the whole that they don't suffer as many issues.
PurpleThomas
wild animals still have unacceptably high levels of radiation. (4)
frescadeee
I forgot I'd asked this, saw my notifications and thought 'what the fuck have I done' - so thank you for your answer!
PurpleThomas
Yeah I always freak out when I get replies. Usually because I said something more offensive than this.
frescadeee
yeah that's why I was confused, I couldn't think of anything controversial I'd said recently!
t3hpr0nst4r
So I'm supposed to believe that the Russians drank vodka... to reduce the chance of thyroid cancer? Riiiiiight -wink-
perlcat
I am. Just to be safe.
MunchMaCoochi
keyword was they believed. probably just to improve morale on an otherwise dreadful/suicidal mission
thekidshavecrabs
*Ukrainians. Not Russians.
SirIlliterate
Technically it's Ukrainians.
intooblv
Nuclear Ukrainians. Say that five times fast.
thekidshavecrabs
Not technically, but actually! Thanks for pointing this out :)
SuzannieBananie
TIL: I don't ever have to worry about getting thyroid cancer due to radiation.
DimitarBerbatov
Pretty much every point is bullshit (coming from a physics person).
snarker
Rad suits do not protect the way people think. The suits simply allow you to keep contaminated materials off skin & out of eyes, lungs.
MunchMaCoochi
upvote for you, and completely correct. Short of covering yourself in hundreds of pounds of lead...
cheekyginger
So basically wearing a radiation suit is like using TP to pick up a hairball?
MunchMaCoochi
kindof? The idea is to prevent ingestion and prolonged contact (this is why fukushima workers showered- to remove potential particles)
mitanni
Then in K19 when they only have chemical suits and they say "They may as well give them raincoats!" the chemsuits would work just fine?
snarker
Yes. Any sealed suit would work.
mitanni
I assumed radsuits were basically full body versions of the aprons they give you when the dentist takes X-rays. Not so?
snarker
Not at all. The suits are designed just to keep dust and other contaminated materials away from skin, eyes, mouth etc.
mistersocrates
Kurt Vonnegut's brother Bernard discovered that silver iodide could create rain clouds. So Kurt claimed in many essays, at any rate.
JacksCompleteLackOfAUsername
Number 4 - Guess we know where Moon Moon came from.
snarker
There was never any danger of an explosion 10x bigger than Hiroshima.
ScootyPuffSr
I really would like to see a credible source on that statement, yeah.
AeonexAshaxei
http://www.scotsman.com/news/stephen-mcginty-lead-coffins-and-a-nation-s-thanks-for-the-chernobyl-suicide-squad-1-1532289
mitanni
Either they mean the fallout would be 10 times worse, or they're suggesting a multi-kiloton steam explosion.
andybrice
I'm pretty sure a nuclear power station can't turn into a nuclear bomb just because they both have the word "nuclear" in their name.
jw1487
wait... we can make it rain? And yes, that IS what I got from this...
Kittenmeat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiZwUJhEhVk
evols
why didnt ted mosby use this method?
Grassy21
Lack of access to artillery probably.
TheKingOfTown
wait, people didn't know this?
TheSwedishInternNahJustKiddingIAmBrown
I heard the chinese did it during the beijing olympics. But I may be wrong. I am surrounded by gas bags.
RedError
Or before, to prevent rainy days after.
hellblaster5
Also, the silver they use can accumulate and be dangerous to the environment and cause even more problems if used too much
packedmedusa
read Michael Crichton's State of Fear
WithNothingBetterToDo
It is also possible to purchase "sunshine" on a cloudy day, or when its rainy. You can purchase a clear part of sky where you want it to be
Vonya
It basically forces already-present cloud to form density and thus cause rain. It can never work on a clear sky.
MyLadyOfKittyCats
I can see how we could put this to really good use in drought areas, if the had clouds of course.
ManifestPangolin
Look up the Geritol Solution to global warming and making rain will not surprise you.
frishkorn
Yeah they use "cloud seating" every year in the plains states to help with rainfall in areas that are prone to drought that year.
WittyNerdReference
Yeah. It's called seeding.
jw1487
holy crap man - that was 2 years ago. Where did you come across this post again?
WittyNerdReference
I searched "history"
mxmaster
BUT.. can we make it hail?
nerdtoast
Someone should tell California
jw1487
Holy Frack - I can't believe I have a top comment. I'm upvoting every single reply to this. Smack my sally and call me fanny.
TheBIpolarImgurianThatLovesChesterCheetoFries
you can make it snow too. they did that over moscow.
steviEa
2. By creating rain we also screw over nearby areas that were supposed to receive that rain
heinousanus00
http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Make_93e010_629586.jpg
cgvega
we can even set fire to it
steviEa
It's also been said that by us creating rain, 1. we screw up the natural rain cycle and potentially decrease the amount of rain in area
WeHasCheezbrger
It's called Cloud Seeding
TheRaptorJezuz
Tasmania has multiple planes that disperse silver iodide to create clouds over their dams (they rely on hydro electricity quite a bit).
beeanisimo
Dubai does it.
Gyrofalco
but can whe make it "CHOCOLATE RAIN?"
DeathMaker900
china has been known to use this for a while
JerkfaceWithTheFaceOfAJerk
Have we learned nothing from One Piece?!
PortgasDAce
Took the words right out of my mouth. That's all I thought of when I saw that.
Kikage
<3!!!!!
garthol
OMG I JUST GOT TO THIS PART I'M ON THE AR/ALABASTA ARC!
ABigStupidJellyfish
I was looking for someone to mention this. You did not disappoint.
sockyrc
that's nice, but right now it would be much better if we could make the f**king clouds go away... I need sun, I really need it, RIGHT NOW!!!
goobernoodles
Seattle?
sockyrc
Worse, LUXEMBOURG!
choff
Only on 'dem hoes
Sxumfxck
There are two types of people. You're my favorite type.
AlakazamRemindsMeOfASlowLorisButHeHasAMoustacheAndBendySpoons
I even stretched my fingers to type this.. +1
MrsNedRyerson
I signed in to upvote this comment.
TehAccountant
i make it rain, i make it rain!!!
creampuff124
Aren't you the person who now has to fuck an Ikea chair?
aDaewooLanos1985
TheGriffin
Chocolate rain
azimpetra
China does it like most of the time, they fire a cannon up in the sky to make it rain.
BELGIANfries
a cannon with chemical particles* -now anyone care to tell me which particles?
downvotersarefrom9gag
Silver Iodide
AtHomeWithTrolls
I thought they would fire a cannon up there to make it not rain?
jessified
http://img.pandawhale.com/44235-make-it-rain-obama-gif-YM7I.gif
ahrefodiggsy
Obama money! "where did it come from?" His stash, I don't know!
ChemJen
Thanks Obama
MrROFLKNIFE
That guy balancing money on his head in the back...
Antipus405
It's incredibly expensive, and it doesn't always work. Also, there need to be clouds already there, basically. It's called cloud seeding.
shadowbarker
coooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool.......
ThaDeanWinchester
I heard about that on that show about the podcast, I think its called stuff you should know. Awesome show/podcast
TheFuckIsThisTheFuckWasThat
They did it last month here in the UAE. Made a weekend's worth of clouds last for a week. Everyone lost it, lol.
AnExpert
why though
LondonRook
They also did it during the Beijing Olympics because air pollution was so out of control.
TheFuckIsThisTheFuckWasThat
It almost never rains here. Trying to improve loval agriculture.
infinityparadox
It will take the rain from other regions. Similar effects are created by mtns. water particles condense up 1 side, dry air down the other.
Blergbot
interesting stuff here.
AnExpert
oh, well than. carry on
EndersShadow
UAE could probably afford it as a monthly thing. No racism here. Average car from what I hear is a Range Rover.
misskeyyne
credit to alltime10s - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWwhRjGBNb4
cuteputta
yes i know the user but op dint gave and credit :(
8bitTunes
subscribed!
CGMR
Good. I was scrolling through the comments looking for a credit link because I knew this wasn't his. Also saw this last night on YT.
21charactersinthename
THANK YOU. op is a top douche for blatantly stealing other people's work. -___-
misskeyyne
haha i actually watched the video just a few hours before seeing this post, and recognised it immediately!
LoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooongUsername
same here :D
21charactersinthename
me too. i've actually been subscribed to the channel for a few months now.
the0rthopaedicsurgeon
#10: nuclear explosions are not possible whatever goes wrong with a nuclear reactor.
othernym
THANK YOU. I doubted everything after that.
gerd590
1/3 It would have been a thermo explosion, not a nuclear one. The core was on fire and eventually melted through the concrete floor, into a
othernym
Totally true. But that would be like 0.001x Hiroshima, not 10x. That's not within 10 ballparks of a nuclear explosion.
gerd590
2/3 chamber underneath the reacter that was fillied with hundreds of thousands of gallons of water. Had the two mixed, it would have created
gerd590
3/3 an enormous explosion. Source:http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=yk3-XUe0oEU#t=1615s
aurium
..an explosion 10x bigger than hiroshima? hardly...
nommek
Yep. Reactor fuel CANNOT undergo a fission explosion.
GrandmaHoodie
Actually, in this case, it can. Check out around 32:30 and after https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiPgsesupDQ
nommek
Sure it can explode, but not a nuclear explosion. The u235/238 mix in a power plant is never capable of it.
GrandmaHoodie
I think that's where people seem to be getting hung up. Or, I could just be misreading some of these comments as "explosion" is impossible.
potshot
I think the point is the outcome(i.e. the amount of contamination). Even at 100kts, the explosion is small relative to the rest of (1)
jamesb845
Nuclear power plants don't explode the way nuclear weapons do. The fissile material used in power plants is far lower grade. So no way 10x
aurium
yes and no - it's not as much a question of radiochemical purity as it is of construction.
potshot
the damage caused.(2)
aurium
i believe that indeed the explosion itself was meant (-> see "fact" no. 10)
potshot
the effects could well have been as large, barring the physical explosion. It's just an awkward wording of a misunderstood fact.
chainletter
Hiroshima's bomb was 13-18 kilotons. The US detonated a 15,000 kiloton device in 1954. 10x for Chernobyl is 130-180kt, and this was in 1986.
aurium
what i wanted to express is that it is technically not possible for a nuc. power plant to explode like a nuc. bomb
GrandmaHoodie
The explosion issue explained. Check out around 32:30 and after aroiund 33:00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiPgsesupDQ
MunchMaCoochi
nuclear engineer here, trying to swat away the ignorance. It hurts, it hurts a lot
aurium
thanks man, i just upvoted every comment you wrote on this so called "the more you know" post
Mattdawgiedog
why not?
GrandmaHoodie
The how and why of a 2nd explosion is explained around 32:30 (and after) around 33:00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiPgsesupDQ
potshot
They are built in such a way that an exponentially growing chain reaction needed for a big explosion is impossible.
hohounk
actually it's the fuel that isn't good enough and "eats" too many neutrons. That's why weapons-grade uranium exists, it has less "stuff".
andybrice
The same way an airport can't fly like an airplane. They have similar names but they're different things.
andybrice
On a more serious note, I believe they use different nuclear fuels. One for sudden energy release, the other for slow sustained output.
aurium
hard to explain briefly - but essentially, the explosion of the reactor was a "conventional" explosion while a nukebomb explodes by (1/2)
aurium
totally consuming its radiactive ingredients in a nuclear chain reaction. for further information please consult wikipedia :)
MunchMaCoochi
As a nuclear engineer, i call BS on #10, 9, 3 and 1. Divers in a pool during the meltdown? No. Sorry. (cont)
FuzzyX
It is true that divers entered the containment pool below the reactor knowing they would die but I believe this was to check for damage.
SnowMeowPlush
http://moralcourageheros.weebly.com/chernobyl-divers.html They dove to open a valve to prevent a possible bigger steam explosion.
Klingon00
Exactly, and a meltdown does not mean nuke explosion. The explosion was from steam buildup. Radiation was spread by the force of steam.
FuzzyX
How bad it was at Chernobyl during the disaster is that some people climbed on roofs to get a better view. They never came back down.
sempiris
Google alexei ananenko, valeri bezpalov, boris baranov
noxfalcon
Typical Sensationalist BS, I'm really sad and angry on how many people buy this shit without questioning. :<
MoarWaffles
They actually did send soldiers into the plant for short periods of time, it was obviously detrimental to their health, but in return, they
MoarWaffles
were honorably discharged by the Soviet Military as a way to repay them.
MoarWaffles
However, I do not know whether they sent divers into the pool. But I know they did send troops inside the reactor immediately afterwards
biclighter
They did, and they did not die. One is still alive today.
Supernerdtastic
"No. Sorry." Come on you can explain better than that.
LicensedAdHominem
You can't get a 200 kT TNT explosion from power-grade uranium in pretty much any amount. This... this is just retarded.
Supernerdtastic
I'm just curious about the pool, is there just not a pool to be jumping into or what?
LicensedAdHominem
If you want to get insta-cooked... Radiation tends to heat water up. That's why Chernobyl exploded, after all--steam blew up. 1/3
LicensedAdHominem
2/3 I presume it's about preventing more water reaching the exploded part, so there wouldn't be a secondary *steam* explosion.
MunchMaCoochi
cont- #9 was specific to workers clearing graphite (from the core) off the roof after the steam explosion, and 40 sec wasn't safe either...
MunchMaCoochi
cont- #3 no creature fungus or otherwise can 'harness' radioactive decay for metabolism. Radioactivity destroys indiscriminantly
DeathtyOneDeathtyTwoDeathtyThree
And with that you lost any credibility.
MunchMaCoochi
Ionizing radiation cascades through crystals, cells, biologicals or steel structures. They cause damage. Some can be repaired. Why the loss?
oaberbyamd
He might refer to the post in general?
MunchMaCoochi
and finally #1- the military may have used shells but that didn't stop the airborne radioactivity- Trace amounts can be detected anywhere
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MunchMaCoochi
It's from an episode of The Colbert Report, and it's alright. Mainly a lurker here anyway. Got the wife addicted though ;)
IAmNotSarcastic
Rain was used to reduce the airborne radiation, it was never going to completely remove it but radioactive particles would be attracted 1/2
IAmNotSarcastic
2/2 to the water and fall closer to the source than when dry. It was a desperate attempt to stop the spread
Horus175
Did they ever tell you the story about SL-1; the Army reactor?
MunchMaCoochi
Our professor did actually, if only to tell a gruesome tale of a man impaled upon the ceiling.