Super90nova
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Jan 31, 2017 5:46 PM
Super90nova
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DespiseEveryone
It isn't about money, it is about not wanting to. And you don't get to ask a question and supply the answer unless you are a dictator.
ChefHannibal
being the president doesn't make him a leader
Greaticalia164
The American War machine is the root of both problems
sda7
True
DutchyMcDutch
You don't, you're almost 20 trillion in debt with a negative balance of trade and a budget deficit.
Kravery
As a veteran, I have a really hard time allowing refugees into the same argument categorically. A really hard time with it.
snipermonkeymc
OUR veterans should be OUR priority. Once they are taken care of then we can talk about taking on others.
petitedeath
Sounds perfect on paper but the crazies mess it up every time. Just like all the ancient artifacts they are tearing up every day.
digitalist1
We spent nearly a trillion dollars developing a aircraft that is good at nothing... the wall is not the problem, goverment waste is.
Carefuler
Look at all the rockets we blew up before we got into space! More waste right?!
YouUsedToWatchSesameStreet
Used to work as a city employee, 80% of the homeless people I would speak to CHOOSE to be homeless. Over half were vets. Just a thought.
TGWeaver
The issue is far more complex than you are presenting.
Mentok
The help needs to be there for those 20%, and mental health services for as many as possible.
Glumerlink
i mean to be fair, people who are clinically depressed choose to commit suicide and destroy their own lives but that's still not right
TrustMeIAmADoctor
I'm very seriously considering it. More being a hermit in the woods than homeless in the city, but similar concept.
TheBrochacho
That's a LIE I am currently a social worker and I can tell you that most have mental illness that go untreated and can't care for themselves
imNotChrisPratt
It's almost like the two aren't mutually exclusive. Weird, right?
Anyport313
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jvc94fUm_X4
Tunisia
"Why are you helping refugees before our veterans" "Great, here's part of the ACA helping vet-" "Noooooooooooooooooo"
dashthefox
If only there was a word that started with "H" that described both of them....oh well
HomebrewRecipesMyWayPLZ
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Super90nova
It's almost like if only we could treat each other with just a little bit of kindness, the world would be much better.
imNotChrisPratt
Now you're just talking crazy
gimmesteamcards
DoctorDelta
Awesoman66theCactusLord
Kierbear2g
It's funny because the GOP doesn't really give a shit about helping vets, they just pretend to.
BritishBatman
As a brit I can say this, your leader is an insane dick
Nalianna
BDawk20
Start helping our citizens first before helping others. No, that does not mean build a wall...
FlintstonesChewableMorphine
How else will they keep us trapped inside!?
imNotChrisPratt
Or, like OP said, both. Helping one doesn't mean neglecting the other. They're not mutually exclusive
BDawk20
Because we AREN'T helping a lot of people here and $$ is usually the reason. Spend less abroad and more in the people here
imNotChrisPratt
In the world of logic that's what we call a false equivalency. There isn't one big "helping people" fund that has to be split between the 2
n0tJesus
What if i told you refugees help everyone by boosting the economy? In fact that goes for all immigrants.
BillyBaloney976
We ARE refugees. That's what the US stands for. It's on the Statue of Liberty and your great-grandparents would smack you for saying that.
azmdmf87
The answer is: don't send soldiers to war thus solving both problems
TheLastSouthernGentleman
If it were only that simple.
YeaGetShwifty
We don't have the money.
Mannus
Veterans. They earned it.
totallynottrump
What
JoshuaTheBrony
*corect awnser, veterans. acording to international law they have the stay in the first country where they are safe.
Onestrangeguy
We have had this problem for a while threw many President's an now Trump is the bad guy double standard man
BadHombrey
Republicons could not stop wining about Obama...so...
Onestrangeguy
Funny I thought everybody loved him where was the riots then, he millions on crap could of helped the vets chose not too double standard
bobziIIa
The problem of an openly anti refugee/immigrant president? Nope, not anytime recently.
Silvertine
Actually the math is that it would cost 17trillion not including labor
RetConMan
Last I checked, it was 45 quintillion. Oop wait, I think we're looking at Cookie Clicker.
Silvertine
No it is based on the cost of cement and the length of the border there's math involved. My friend did the math it is about 17trillion
Silvertine
7trillion not 17trillion
TheFragnatic
did you include the antimatter and gold plating?
Silvertine
I ment 7trillion
Donttouchthatwithoutgloves
...stop spreading bullshit.
sadpotatoes
You want to stop war refugees, stop bombing their country's.
GonzoDrifter
Countries*
illmissyou
Similarly, if you want to reduce the number of troubled veterans, stop sending people to fight asinine wars.
kalimakalimaaa
Country's what? Terrorists?
HolyShitZoom
Thank you! The number of times I've said this and been DV to Syraia and back.
lucky13kenny
Damn Trump, dropping 100,000 bombs on people over the past 8 years.
sadpotatoes
No, but he has not stopped it either now that he is Pres. Both D and R are to blame
Glumerlink
ironically we literally had a drone strike and then he put soldiers into battle in Yemen so... yeah, looks like trump's copying bush
sadpotatoes
I am curious, why would you say trump is copying bush vs copying obama, or obama and bush?
Glumerlink
Obama liked drones over troops to prevent losses, Bush preferred invasions and boots on the ground for any number of reasons
n0tJesus
Thats a very simplistic and largely misleading thought. We fight those who displace people, not displace people by fighting.
JustDaShoemaker
So Saddam ordered his people not to leave the city and GW ignored the CIA telling him there were no WMDs and Marines/civilians died alike...
sadpotatoes
I think that is a simplistic thought. There are plenty of places with huge population displacement and we do nothing.
sadpotatoes
Its also fairly naive to think our bombings of these places to not dramatically increase refugees, even if we assume there were some already
n0tJesus
I didn't say we always intervene or help those displaced. You inferred that we are causing the displacement which isn't true.
sadpotatoes
The middle east is a shit-hole, so i am not saying its great. But look at Iraq, Syria, Libya ... our bombing are increasing the refugee's
n0tJesus
I wont argue that we exacerbate the problem sometimes. Is that worse than allowing gov. to murder their own people? Or help terrorists do it
DarkSock
The Syrians are trying to escape the bombs of their own President Assad; but thanks for trying.
sadpotatoes
You are a special kind of stupid if you think Syria is dropping the most bombs. Not saying they are NOT bombing, they are one of many
Glumerlink
Yeah totally, poor syrian government's a victim here not like they created a 5 year civil war that they keep prolonging
DarkSock
Why don't you go shit into a jug and then give it to your grandmother
sadpotatoes
Special Kind of stupid confirmed. Ps. My grandma likes to drink shit from a Stein
DarkSock
I'm not going to lie… That one was special and I wish I had saved it for later
kamosey
sigh...
Awesoman66theCactusLord
Bankers are not the evil ones, the politicians are
powerofvoid
In 2017, the banker defends the immigrant: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-companies-goldm-idUSKBN15E1H2
Skizzlesnap
Stab the banker, split the cookies 50/50 with immigrant.
FriedMonkE92
Well, if the immigrant is a worker he deserves a cookie too, just seems fair.
newyorknyc
All I ever wanted was to love, to be loved, and to be a banker.
K1ltu
Dont you mean 19.9 cookies
Awesoman66theCactusLord
Fuck you, my mom is a banker!
HolyShitZoom
Tell her to stop taking all the fucking cookies then! Also, I'm sure she is a lovely lady.
ExposedCat
I'm a banker and I get no cookies.
Dsharppe
A banker! A banker! Your Honor, Your Honor, Your Honor .. http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkl1ggVm5z1qj9qhto1_500.gif
TGWeaver
I mean do you work at a bank as a teller or do you own a bank? There may be a significant difference in the connotation of the term.
UnsaturatedFat
I know it's not much, but...
azndunnoboi
It's an analogy for money
GummyGopher
kabauny
Will use this for later.
NateintheNorth
This is the purest fucking thing.
SwaglortSeal
But what if those cookies have been painstakingly baked over the past hundreds of years and not just "given", does the situation change?
megopie
Cookie redistribution is in order then
SwaglortSeal
Down with the Bourgeois and seizing the means of production?
SwaglortSeal
Down with the Bourgeois and seizing the means of production?
megopie
Seize the memes of production .
Anyport313
1) Most people are just spooked by how the EU handled it, and don't want that here. We don't want them to be dropped into tent cities
Anyport313
2) and hordes of young men and women left with no purpose and nothing to do, moving around aimlessly, forming gangs or mobs
Anyport313
3) You can find hours of video footage of the chaos over there. The way EU handled it was asinine
MathiasTolerain
This “we want better oversight ploy” maybe worked 2 years ago when written, now though post infant concentration camps? Not as much.
Repentantpriest
UK resident. Bullshit.
AntiCircleJerker
Well, we don't have the money. See, we're in a deficit. Borrowing money to pay off small loans so you can get big loans is a ponzi scheme.
jurc24
Your leader wants to spend 25billion on the wall, to decrease illegal border crossings, which currently cost USA 110billion annualy.
jurc24
Tough i dont agree with a wall, but the amount of money that will be put in a wall comes nowhere close to amount of money put in the army.
jurc24
But i support the idea that us citizens should be help prioritised, and when that's sorted out, refugees get their turn.
aSophiebear
everyone in idaho thinks we're only allowed to empathize with soldiers. "Why would i donate to cancer research WHEN SOLDIERS ARE DYING?"
LutraLazuli
i would say help out our own people before helping refugees, but who cares about our own struggling citizens
thedailyspank
Create jobs for the homeless veterans to build the wall. Two bids, one stone!
SoberAndBored
Why don't you employ them both, building the wall?
apercent
Cause then they'd be "stealing our jobs"
NS0229
our....jerbs?
spookyjeff
Or they could build a fucking road that did something.
dsr085
Why not employ them to fix all of the infrastructure problems in the country. But why spend money on safe drinking water or nice roads......
SoberAndBored
Because safe drinking water and decent roads aren't symbolic and he's vain enough to be thinking of his presidential legacy already.
JustARandomStrangerOnTheInternet
do people legitimately not realize this giant wall is nothing more than a jobs program to temporarily lower the unemployment rate?
tankmemes
Because we want public works projects to be infrastructure, not an idiotic wall you nincompoop
JustARandomStrangerOnTheInternet
once again: the original idea was to create a jobs program that was being funded by another country...
tankmemes
Why not just invade and take their stuff if they're gonna bend over and give it to you anyways
JustARandomStrangerOnTheInternet
he was going for a diplomatic victory not a domination victory?
notwastingtimeiswear
The very people who say the New Deal was horrible now want it
Glumerlink
have you ever heard of the "boom and bust" principle? It's basically where, whenever you have a large boom you end up with a ≥ bust.
JustARandomStrangerOnTheInternet
i mean: that is why i included the word "temporarily"
Glumerlink
it wouldn't help the economy though, there'd need to be something equally as big created as the jobs disappeared or else it'll just fuck us
JustARandomStrangerOnTheInternet
look into his plans for expanding the "non-renewable energy" workforce. he is doing exactly what you are suggesting.
apercent
The wall will cut more jobs than it will make. Every small business alongside the border is going to be devasted
JustARandomStrangerOnTheInternet
why?
apercent
You know how much it costs to go through boats every day? Or how time consuming it is to pass through border security every stinking day?
apercent
Worse than airport security
Trollhydra
There are better ways to do this Like having large infrastructure rebuilding plan QED Bernie Sanders Rumors says that's in the works though
JustARandomStrangerOnTheInternet
2) however i think the idea behind this wall was that another country would be paying to reduce our unemployment rate for a few years.
apercent
Lol mexico isn't going to pay they've said so repeatedly
JustARandomStrangerOnTheInternet
1) i agree. i think the money would be much better spent reinforcing america's preexisiting infrastructure.
Trollhydra
Well the debt ceiling was raised by 9 trillion and I've heard the idea is being thrown around for a trillion to be allocated to it. no proof
JustARandomStrangerOnTheInternet
IMO we reached a point where he is realizing his original idea might not work as intended and he his trying alternative plans
FnordGallop
Nah, it's a waste of resources. There's no point in putting labor into a useless prestige project when actual infrastructure is needed.
JustARandomStrangerOnTheInternet
1) i agree. i think the money would be much better spent reinforcing america's preexisiting infrastructure.
JustARandomStrangerOnTheInternet
2) however i think the idea behind this wall was that another country would be paying to reduce our unemployment rate for a few years.
FnordGallop
And the other problem with that idea is that we're very close to full employment right now, that's the point where we need to import people.
Adbirseoir
See minimum wage increases across the country. Your numbers are rapidly becoming out of date. Unfortunately, this isn't the answer.
HiddenSanity
Except Trump can't even get the Mexican president to the negotiation table, how's he gonna get them to pay?
SoberAndBored
He's not. He's going to slap a 20% tax on goods imported from Mexico. Prices of these goods will then rise (probably by more than the 20%)
JustARandomStrangerOnTheInternet
look: i gave my opinion on his original idea. why people think that means i have the answers to every problem the country has is beyond me.
Awesoman66theCactusLord
Zigon
Oh fuck make a post of this
moredownvotesplease
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Weelildragon
Wrong, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
BigBenThisHeresRubberDuck
Well, I'm an intellectual REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
imaginedear
Really Dems might be crazy (might,lol) but I think Trumps shit show proves they aren't the same.
Awesoman66theCactusLord
They are the same but mirrored
Edgekrsher
This is so accurate it hurts
CrazyGuyOnABike
This meme disgusts me. "I can't be bothered to inform myself on political issues, better make a joke about the mentally ill!"
Awesoman66theCactusLord
I will have you know, 2 of my friends are mildly autistic, so I can make this joke
chocolategorilla
"gotta pick a side or else you're worse than Hitler, but it's gotta be the right side or else you're worse than two Hitlers" -imgur
TheChurchOfUpvote
I think it's more aligned with being sick of politics
lapositiveattitude
glad to read i am not the only one uncomfortable seeing it posted multiple times every single day in comments.
Awesoman66theCactusLord
Wastyvez
You know I'm starting to think this image is the hallmark of imgur conservatives who're bitter they can't take the moral high ground 1)
Wastyvez
as long as they're represented by a fiasco like Trump and his crew, so instead resort to being "apolitical". 2)
Awesoman66theCactusLord
Wastyvez
You couldn't find a grainier version?
TigerThong
The hallmark post of the politically ignorant. They aren't the same this lie got us here. Go read the news
Awesoman66theCactusLord
TigerThong
Gotem
normandygahn
I see it so much now and it's depressing. This shit directly affects them and still they think they're above it. Maybe when Trump's FCC 1/2
normandygahn
pick starts destroying net neutrality these memelords will start giving a shit. 2/2
ElectricEggnog
Or there's people other than Americans that use Imgur everyday and are tired of seeing shit that doesn't apply to them
TigerThong
Well america'n democracy is under threat more than ever and thats huge for the entire world. Sorry if our downfall interrupts your LuLs
ElectricEggnog
I am an American, actually. We can pretend the world revolves around us, but it doesnt. It'll keep going long after we're not around
TigerThong
That's not exactly the argument but ok
SAWhowhatnow
Then make your own website, commie.
DeusExSpockina
Don't worry, they'll get to you eventually. If Putin isn't there first.