stingraysds
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Obviously pulled from Vox, but a reasonably clear breakdown for those curious.
Jan 6, 2023 10:46 PM
stingraysds
1155594
1480
19
Obviously pulled from Vox, but a reasonably clear breakdown for those curious.
suckstoyourauntie
So, those 20 wingnuts are holding out to get wingnut speaker? Fun. /s
dankirkki
The fruits of 2 party system.
maygoe
Or the democrats choose a moderate republican that will get 20 republican votes
stingraysds
Not a realistic possibility unfortunately.
jaakkopaakkonen
The most extreme right holding the whole senate as a hostage for their demands. Sounds a lot like Germany in 1932.
persondude27
Can we just talk about how Kevin Fucking McCarthy is not far-right enough for 20+ members of Congress?
Sendmeyourpuppypics
This js just beyond stupid. With this many failed votes the opposites party's choice should win automatically imo ?
SimpDaddyDee
This could be a good thing too - they won't be able to get anything past the senate, so they'll spend the next 2 yrs showing how horrible
SimpDaddyDee
they'd *like* to be if they could get power - and then that can be turned against them in 2024. Hopefully.
solarwind
play stupid games, wind stupid prizes. They wanted this
captainfakeypants
If those 20 republicans are deadlocking congress, they should be kicked out of congress.
FromTheBeyond
Be afraid
slinkiisu
So basically this is all political theatre that will result in more extremism
stingraysds
Very possibly.
Rasdwa
Well, The Group of Thirty are a bunch of asshoe
TheElusiveEnchilada
If at first you don't succeed...?
sirava
Zorklunn
So two more years of election denying and laptop trolling. Because that has been working so well for the past 8 years.
imhappywecanchangeusername
Thank you for sharing! I’ve been looking for something that broke it down this way.
Zetor
Yeah, this shítshow has just started
BoingBoingBoingBoingBoing
America is so broken
Yacobs21
Hopefully this stupid spectacle makes it easier to pressure positive change
BouncingGoat
Can't form a functioning government? Most European countries -> Re-elections are triggered. USA -> Whatever this clownshow is. Just why?
SunBrolem
This is why scumfucks like Sinema have so much power. They can hold their vote hostage to their party.
FuzzyX
McCarthy will win tomorrow. He is recalling everyone. Mother's funeral: recalled. Recent operation: recalled. Due operation: recalled.
deadtedw
Did you see what happened to Liz Cheney for not supporting her tribe?
metrognome11
The only thing this doesn’t touch on is the “present”vote. The majority is of votes cast, voting “present” reduces the pool of voters
metrognome11
Which lowers the threshold of votes needed. Personally I think McCarthy should not cater to the “freedom caucus” crazies but look to deal
metrognome11
With dems for support votes.
stingraysds
Agreed, though last news was that framework of an agreement was in place with the passengers of the clown car known as the freedom caucus.
iwishjtmoneywasstillavailableitsmyoldvideogamemoniker
That's helpful, thank you.
MarkRavingMad
Because republicans have gone so whackadoo that working with even centrist dems on even this pedestrian a vote would be primary suicide.
PenelopePepperPants
Actually thank you for sharing this. I'm not American, the way your parliament works is bizarre to me, and I've been trying to find a way 1/
PenelopePepperPants
way to follow what's currently happening. This video is perfectly pitched to my level of understanding. /2
StillNotYouTube
It's kind of funny, in school they explain how the U.S. congress is supposed to work, but then in reality it's totally different.
whatsisname
While the US has its fair share of problems, this sort of parliamentary shenanigans isn't even remotely unique to the US, this shit can
whatsisname
happen everywhere. In terms of parliamentary procedures, the USA is far more 'ordinary' compared to other democracies than exceptional.
givedobbieasock
Me too! Agreed!
wineisfine13
If one of the concessions is that it takes only one member of Congress to take down the Speaker,won't that happen quickly?What am I missing?
stingraysds
They can only trigger the call for a vote of no confidence, but that would still need the requisite votes.
AstroExplained
Yup. But the threat is that if you assume ALL the Democrats vote to oust a GOP speaker, then just a handful of angry GOP can get him removed
stingraysds
Yup, I understand the nuance. Was just answering the question asked.
AstroExplained
This weakens his speakership, and would practically force him to cater to the whims of the far right who would happily do this out of spite
flacoloco
the third option would be for the dems to vote for McCarthy over some concessions?
StillNotYouTube
This is the realistic best outcome for the democrats, but it would look pretty bad for them. I know I wouldn't want to be the one to do it.
MarkRavingMad
I think we all know better than to trust Republicans at this point.
Bugguts1957
Seriously doubt McCarthy would concede anything to Democrats. He’s only interested in owning the libs
StillNotYouTube
Well he's about to concede a bunch of things to the furthest right republicans, which he initially refused to do.
SupermassiveZebra
Why would they? Let it burn
stingraysds
No. Ultimately this will yield the worst possible outcome for democrats- a republican speaker compromised by the most far-right members of-
SupermassiveZebra
Hm, fair. By that logic, let's hope they get their stuff together soon. Seems unlikely at this rate.
stingraysds
stingraysds
-their party, granting them additional leverage within the GOP & ability to grow the platform for their most toxic performative politics.
Eniff
Yes, but they won't be able to enact any real legislation. So the house will ramp up the crazy for 2 years and push more voters left.
stingraysds
Pushing voters left is possible, but far from a certainty. And while they won’t be able to enact legislation strictly on their own-
flagbasher
voodoobilly
Please clap
BobHubert
JEB JEB JEB JEB JEB JEB JEB
TemetNosce000
There is a third option. A coalition party of moderates, which may end up being the beginning of the end of two party rule.
LordHosk
There have been coalitions formed from members of the other parties before multiple times, it resulted in the implosion of one party.
LordHosk
The two party system exists because of the electoral collage not because of congress. The only way to get 50%+1 is 2 parties.
GreaseMonkeyOfLove
“3rd option” “coalition”........I have a better chance of shitting gold coins than that ever happening.
TemetNosce000
Dibs on the first coin
Jackrackham86
I'd love to see it. It would allow the government to work like it's supposed to again instead of being deadlocked, fighting each other.
IronIce111
I'm curious why the Democrats aren't appealing to some moderate Republicans to vote for Jefferies. They only need 6 of them.
rbudrick
Maybe they are.
Winstitutionalized
It would be a death sentence for them.
persondude27
Metaphorically, but also quite possibly literally as well.
INeverWaitForIt
Because republicans don't server America or her interests. They serve the party.
somebodythatyouusetoknow
Moderate Republicans.....?
euphoricopportunity
It used to be a thing.
AstroExplained
It would likely end their Congress careers. Think about that both Cheney and Kitzinger were driven from Congress for crossing that line.
AstroExplained
I'm sure some Democrats have been reaching out, but it's very very unlikely enough GOP would vote a democrat Speaker
MarkRavingMad
Remember what happened to Otherwise-reliable-conservative Liz cheney when she dared question conservative orthodoxy?
Snooj
One "accomplishment" of that group of crazies is to label anyone not voting strict party lines as a RINO and insinuate they will be killed.
RhamnusiaThePaladin
Apparently, the last time someone helped the other party (voted across the aisle) they were kicked out of the caucus and lost next election
AnonymousBach
It's not going to happen. Voting for a Dem speaker would be a death sentence for a Repub in 2024.
pooplloser
Because you can't own the libs of you work with them.
selej
Repubs would be villified if they did.
Wonderkin
Ever hear of getting "primaried", they'd make sure you were, ended...
Metalsmith21
Because they are Republicans. They spent the last few years driving out all the responsible ones. The remainder are just various bags o poo
SteveTheEgg
Not having the Senate and ccx Whitehouse, they couldnt get anything passed anyways,so this still does what they want and waste time
bourbonandbaddecisions
Give it a week and we might start to see defectors.
B3N15
This is the Republican's problem, it's on them to fix it. If the Republicans want the Democrats to bail them out, they can pay for it.
jayman0123
Niddhoger
Ultimately a pyrrhic victory. Speaker can be recalled. With majority Rep, this would be a constant gun over Jeffries' head. He'd have to 1/2
Niddhoger
make major concessions to the Reps and constantly walk a tight rope. Most likely outcome is the humiliation would unite Reps in House 2/3
Niddhoger
Just let them fight each other for now. Whoever emerges from this, the Reps have already lost. 3/3
SteveMND
With Cheney gone, I don't think they have anyone who might risk that. Remember, even the 'moderate' Republicans are still Republicans first.
barnwolf
Quite a few Republicans voted to impeach trump, and even more voted in favor of the Jan 6th commite.
TotallyNotVillain
Don't mistake Liz Cheney for a moderate. She is very conservative, she just isn't a fascist MAGA Republican.
SometimesISayHistoryStuff
She is, but she's also one of the few who stood up to the fascist MAGAs. And she was voted out. What does that tell the rest?
colderfish
Because there isn't even one Republican who wouldn't rather elect a serial killer than a Democrat. Never underestimate their hatred.
nothingelsetodo
If McCarthy was smarter he could have peeled off some dem votes by making more reasonable concessions to them (like, we won’t investigate 1/
nothingelsetodo
Hunter Biden’s laptop). It would get him out of having to go along with some stupid Republican stunts by saying, “Sorry my hands are tied.”
mindstorm8191
IMO they can investigate Hunter Biden's laptop all they want - they won't find anything! (but that's not really your argument here)
stingraysds
Had he made those concessions, he likely would have lost additional republican votes, offsetting any democratic gains.
stingraysds
Which points to the greater issue; GOP is overstuffed with hardliners who consider even the slightest compromise to be an unforgivable sin.
nothingelsetodo
I hear ya. I’d just rather the dems have me by the short hairs than those yahoos if I were him
Onebigcanuck
If the vote was private and not public, it would happen in a heartbeat.
aintnothinbutahounddog28
This is absolute fact. Not only would they not get re elected if they vote for a dem, they & their families would get serious death threats
neithermenoryou
And should the next coup succeed it would not stop at threats for them, they would be dealt with like any other political enemy.
quazz69
While I agree with this fact, I think we need to see how our representatives vote.
Cilvaa
Exactly. If they voted for a Dem speaker, it'd be political suicide, they'd never get elected again.
LookSirDroids
It's America. It would probably be actual suicide.
dontfloatmygoat
As in slipped a fell on this Bullet at high speed?
stingraysds
I think republicans would rather grant more leverage to the least desirable members of their party before ceding that power to democrats.
Tigersterne
Yup, it's still Trump's party, no matter how much they want to act otherwise
NotSomoneElse68
Hers a question. Should some democrats vote for McCarthy so he doesn't have to ceed so much power to the lunatics? Or do we just ¹
NotSomoneElse68
watch them burn.
Seggs
but why? not like a blue led house would get anything done anyway /s (maybe. idk anymore)
TheDogEnd
That's why Republicans are terrible. Party over country.
jayman0123
Money and power* over country
Kitax
seems that republicans elected McCarthy by now. I don't understand why dems didn't propose a moderate republican that they would be 1/2
Kitax
be willing to vote for. its only like 6 republicans they needed to convince to vote for another (more moderate) republican 2/2
Kitax
disclaimer -> i'm not from US and am just wondering, because it seems that dems just squandered their chance for political influence
piperdude
Think of how much power a defecting republican stands to gain.
stingraysds
None? See: Cheney, Liz
piperdude
Liz Cheney was before the election though. Defecting NOW could be really advantages.
stingraysds
…but how? I know what you’re saying, but if you pull that thread, there’s really no meaningful gain to be had.
Asadsadsadclown
Or the dems give republicans mccarthy votes from their more right leaning members in exchange for destroying the ultra right hold outs.
SimpDaddyDee
I feel like this would be a better outcome tbh. Approach him for concessions the holdouts don't want, exchange for dem support to end this
Tyaldan
the entire party is ultra right, they just dont want to let the clowns drive the clown car
Asadsadsadclown
The entire party sold their souls to nazis for power. Only a handful are true believers, the rest just want to stay in office.
Nefel
McCarthy is an aggressively anti-Dem politician though. He's a backstabber and not someone Dems can trust at all. Deals mean nothing to him.
Nefel
Frankly speaking, the Democrats have no "better" options on the table. That's why they're just sitting back doing nothing.
toddthewraith
so his concessions are essentially meaningless then? cuz he can just... not do them.
Nefel
The problem he has there is that the House Republicans will still need the Caucus to pass things through the house if it isn't bipartisan.
SirWadeWilson
All the deals he's making in that case, will probably be abandoned once he has the position. He knows he's got 2 years before it flips back
Nefel
Possibly, but now he's in a position where every single time the House Republicans try to pass something, they'll need Dems or the Caucus
IronIce111
True. But if this keeps embarrassing them and America, it would be for the best.
BearsDontCare
Peoples memories are short lived. So they dont care
IceWeaselX
They don't care what's best. They want the power above all else, even their claimed ideals. Example:
qyrriqat
The Republicans, at this point, are beyond shame and embarrassment, almost universally.
GibsMcKormik
The fuck do they care about either of those?
IronIce111
Fair.
Iwasntthatdrunk
Althox00
If you run on a platform of "government bad" having it grind to a halt isn't embarrassing.
stingraysds
No argument there, though that particularly gross subset of republicans seems to be impervious to embarrassment no matter how warranted.
cryptzicle
Not to mention they've not really been the party to do what is best for others lately.
stingraysds
Lol understatement of the year so far ;)
SteveMND
Sadly, it doesn't embarrass them. For that, they'd need the capacity to feel shame, and if they had that they wouldn't be Republicans.
stingraysds
AstroExplained
They're already trying to spin this as a win: "see this is real democracy, and we don't have a bunch of mindless sheep like the Democrats"
SteveMND
They're also simultaneously blaming the Dems for their stalemates, by the Dems not helping with the handful of votes needed.
IronIce111
BrandiJuh
Always upvote hotrod.