While tossing the ball in the park my Golden came out the bushes and presented me with a live chipmunk gently in jaws. When I said "oh man, no" she quickly dropped it and let it run off. She never did it again.
My idiot creature is a proud (indoor only) hunter. He's really good at murderizing socks and the occasional zip tie, but isn't so great with things that actually move.
Having spent the last few years in the US Virgin Islands, things got really interesting once I befriended the cat who hung around my place in the rain forest. I named her Gizzie. You name it . . . every single morning she brought me land crabs, lots of birds, rats, cane toads, mice, a half-eaten mongoose (yes, there are mongoose in the USVI), a deer's hoof, and daily offerings of lizards and iguanas.
Yeah, just when I've become able to sorta halfway tolerate their one-word-at-a-time subtitles, now they do this "flash the video title screen on every cut" BS. This is a platform where the users are driving enshittification just as hard as the company behind it.
I legit feel bad that we don’t let my cat hunt animals. More than anything, she wants to murder a chipmunk. Unfortunately, she is small enough and not outside-savvy enough to become a great meal herself
Same for my dog - she wants to catch a rabbit more than anything. But she is a hound and incredibly fast so god knows where she’d end up if we let her off leash
My cat is an indoor cat, but a former stray. He'll hunt mice that get inside. One night he had one I think he found in the basement, and brought it up to my bedroom and released it. I don't think it was a gift, I think he just figured it was easier to chase around up there.
One of the first "AI" sorta project I saw back in the early days of the internet (and digital cameras) involved a guy setting up a digital camera to take a silhouette of "whatever was standing outside the pet door" and would only unlock the pet door if the silhouette was a "close enough" match to "My cat without anything in it's mouth".
this is a common misconception but the data does not actually show it. before you come at me, I keep mine inside because I don't want them to get sick but we need to stop spreading this unfounded claim.
Is this meant to be a gotcha? All it implies is that you're a cat person with no idea of the effect of cats in the environment. And I guess you don't like dogs.
Says science too, and the laws of many areas, and vets. And many owners of house cats who get freaked out when outdoor cats meander past their windows.
Cool, but what about the mortality rates and health of the cats themselves?
Additionally this article does argue that predation effects are overblown, but they are still there. Combined with other factors they may still influence populations
yes, I said that in a different comment. I don't let my cats out because I want to protect their health and also that empirical evidence does not support the claim of domesticated outdoor cats having an impact on the environment. empirical evidence and therefore opinions on the matter are subject to change with empirical data. science currently does not support this common misconception but it's something that people freely parade because they feel a certain way about it.
Depends. Predators are part of every ecosystem and keep the balance. If they are native to the local ecosystem, then that is no reason to keep them inside.
That's also a nope. Domesticated cats endanger native wildcats by hunting their pray AND mating with them and diluting the gene pool of the few wildcats left.
Where do you draw the distinction? It's not uncommon for barn cats to be retired indoors if they've tamed down, though they very rarely are 100% indoor cats
That is admittedly a difficult line to draw. But the discussion here is primarily aimed at completely house-pet cats that haven't had to work a day in their lives, and more importantly, their humans. You know, the ones that live in suburban and urban environments and have no idea where the nearest barn or farm even is.
I see you don't live in a place where that's also a very difficult line to draw. On the same street we have median class housing developments with single and multi family homes, and also older homes with enough land for livestock, who do have livestock. There are rarely black and white situations in reality
Yup, the second one is so important. Wild animals, other people’s stupid aggressive pets (looking at you pit bulls), traffic, and just other bastard humans in general.
There’s a reason outside cats have a much shorter lifespan.
Not sure why the downvotes. Your reasons are all valid. Those are all the reasons my cat has lived her nearly 17 years indoors. I don't want her to get killed/eaten. (I live in rural Canada so her getting eaten by something is a very real possibility).
Not really. They bring the rodents inside, and sometimes the rodents are not dead yet, and then the rodent escapes into the walls and we can't figure out how to get rid of it for 3 goddamn months. That's what happened with my cat anyway.
Googe says. Each roaming pet cat kills an average of 186 animals per year, according to multiple studies. In the U.S., outdoor cats are estimated to kill 1.3 to 4 billion birds and 6.3 to 22.3 billion mammals annually.
This is like saying what's the big deal that there is E. coli in the drinking water cuz it has been around forever and we all have it inside us anyways.
A long time in their native habitats. Of course they used to have other predators that kept their populations in check, and also limited food supplies that did the same. Too bad we killed most of their predators, give them free food they don't have to hunt for, and introduced them as an invasive species to every country on the globe. So their historical population REALLY DOESN'T MATTER.
Still, even if the birds killed by cats are too be considered less healthy and possibly less in number than thought to be estimated. We should still see this loss of animal life as an unnecessary loss that could be prevented like preventable a preventable disease.
please don't take this the wrong way but there is no "still" when talking about empirical evidence. I'm so tired of discussing whether facts exist or not. your emotionally charged claim no matter how rational it may seem to you, is wrong. now nobody says they don't have an impact just that ACCORDING TO THE CURRENT EVIDENCE THIS IS NOT THE CASE. and that's a fact whether you like it or not.
B99Reactions
that cringey transition thing is yet another uncreative badly used trend
ChadMaxxington
It is, in fact, a bebe
Theshnazzyone
Too many animal videos with "Generic Title" appearing between clips with the Bass Fart between clips.
Yasashii93
Keep thy cats indoors, pretty please and thank you.
UnattendedDeviant
While tossing the ball in the park my Golden came out the bushes and presented me with a live chipmunk gently in jaws. When I said "oh man, no" she quickly dropped it and let it run off. She never did it again.
Twinklepot
My friend's cat brought in a seagull it caught through the catflap. She was not impressed.
raskirorikson8
I love cats but this trend with this sound editing is atrocious. I always downvote that
MrKapustahead
I prefer the term "Murder Presents"
Closeenoughforthis
My idiot creature is a proud (indoor only) hunter. He's really good at murderizing socks and the occasional zip tie, but isn't so great with things that actually move.
Sibbykins
I loathe this new style of video where they put this obnoxious sound effect in between short clips.
mothmam
That’s why I keep audio off by default.
Dellaaa
Only one cute is the old cat sock hunting
Noahbalboa82
My dog was nice enough to not bring in anything. And make sure they were dead. Rats, bunnies, opossum....
DonIsMe
Having spent the last few years in the US Virgin Islands, things got really interesting once I befriended the cat who hung around my place in the rain forest. I named her Gizzie. You name it . . . every single morning she brought me land crabs, lots of birds, rats, cane toads, mice, a half-eaten mongoose (yes, there are mongoose in the USVI), a deer's hoof, and daily offerings of lizards and iguanas.
elvisdumbledore
Cat Gift Gifs
FluffyDon360
I miss my cat. She hunted socks like nobodies business.
Bojovnik84
I hate this tiktok bullshit. Always creating worse and worse editing trends.
IGotMyDreamJobProgrammingGames
I can't stand what tiktok has done to online content
dogfavoriter
Yeah, just when I've become able to sorta halfway tolerate their one-word-at-a-time subtitles, now they do this "flash the video title screen on every cut" BS. This is a platform where the users are driving enshittification just as hard as the company behind it.
Evenmoreuselessname
Ugh, I just downvote them whenever I see them now
ataradov
Wait a second, I'll make a video with this video in the background and my face and finger just pointing up for no reason.
bassaro
And I'll make a video of that video, with me talking over it.
PoopComesOutMyButt
feel like I've seen this exact editing on Vine at some point, shit moves in a circle...
epithymetic
“Technology is cyclical, Liz”
DecapodianSaysWoopWoopWoopWoop
Bwaaah
yamsonyamsonyams
I legit feel bad that we don’t let my cat hunt animals. More than anything, she wants to murder a chipmunk. Unfortunately, she is small enough and not outside-savvy enough to become a great meal herself
Same for my dog - she wants to catch a rabbit more than anything. But she is a hound and incredibly fast so god knows where she’d end up if we let her off leash
starhawk
go back to tik tok
snowtree
My cat is an indoor cat, but a former stray. He'll hunt mice that get inside. One night he had one I think he found in the basement, and brought it up to my bedroom and released it. I don't think it was a gift, I think he just figured it was easier to chase around up there.
unluckyandbored
BRRRRRP
robertfraser
Things my declawed cat missing several teeth brought home
Snake
Bat
HUGE bullfrog
Unlimited rabbits
Mice
Shrews.
He was a killing MACHINE
MeowWoof
One of the first "AI" sorta project I saw back in the early days of the internet (and digital cameras) involved a guy setting up a digital camera to take a silhouette of "whatever was standing outside the pet door" and would only unlock the pet door if the silhouette was a "close enough" match to "My cat without anything in it's mouth".
87cubed
I remember this! He build a NN and trained it on a bunch of shadow profile images of the cat's heads, it did fairly well as I recall.
MeowWoof
Yes, I remember it rejecting not only "cat with mouse in it's mouth" but also rejected "skunk" and "raccoon*.
stercusmoriturussum
Got a source or anything? That's what I need - with the possibilitty to also recognize my cats from the other neighbourhood cats.
MeowWoof
The key was that this was a practical application that gave deterministic results so of course they never mass marketed it.
87cubed
It seems like it was much longer ago than 2019 .. but here's his video presentation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A-Nf3QIJjM
MeowWoof
Oh yeah, this was mid 90s
stercusmoriturussum
Thanks!
Saxytimes
I never thought it would really happen, but my indoor cat plopped a line mouse in bed with me a few weeks ago. Thanks I guess? 🐁
WeaponizedJerk
Can we please not repost this garbage edit?
SideBoobsWillGetYouBanned
I wish.. But it gets so much engagement 🫠
Pwnzistor
Keep your fucking cats inside. Native chipmunks don't deserve to be harassed or killed by your hairball machine.
newsguycraigevans
Idk. I've seen the historical documentaries where the chipmunks harass the duck.
Pwnzistor
Chip and Dale?
newsguycraigevans
Who else?
Pwnzistor
The 2 brother chipmunks from looney toons
StarmineRendezvous
Was that a large frog in the bed? Holy crap.
ProfessorBanesworth
Yes
Korban
Can we please stop this "BMMMMMMMM" trend?!?!
firlefranz
Nope, too late.
v
InitHello
Here ya go
raskirorikson8
Thank you!
Korban
you are my hero!
Daywalker27
Theirs a video out there where a cat brings in a mangled rattlesnake
firlefranz
Theirs?
Daywalker27
n0gal
it should be theiy're's*
firlefranz
Yup.
taco81
This is why cats should be kept inside.
They are horrible for local eco systems
FuzzyX
Certainly at dawn and dusk being the preferred hunting time for most cats.
HOLAKOOO
My cats catches moles.
YouRadicalizedMe
Yes
fluorophores
https://www.felineresearch.org/post/issue-brief-wildlife-impacts-of-outdoor-cats
this is a common misconception but the data does not actually show it. before you come at me, I keep mine inside because I don't want them to get sick but we need to stop spreading this unfounded claim.
SquirtVonnegut
Thank you!
I don't know how anyone can disagree with this, but a fair number of cat owners manage to every time. What the fuck is wrong with these people?
BobaFettApproves
Says a dog person. /gallery/wDo4ZJU#29KEMMH
SailorPupitar
Is this meant to be a gotcha? All it implies is that you're a cat person with no idea of the effect of cats in the environment. And I guess you don't like dogs.
BobaFettApproves
Nope, just bein silly
Aphazia82
Why does that matter?
BobaFettApproves
Just being a smart ass
cambam3000
Says science too, and the laws of many areas, and vets.
And many owners of house cats who get freaked out when outdoor cats meander past their windows.
fluorophores
science does not actually say that.
https://www.felineresearch.org/post/issue-brief-wildlife-impacts-of-outdoor-cats
cambam3000
Cool, but what about the mortality rates and health of the cats themselves?
Additionally this article does argue that predation effects are overblown, but they are still there. Combined with other factors they may still influence populations
fluorophores
yes, I said that in a different comment. I don't let my cats out because I want to protect their health and also that empirical evidence does not support the claim of domesticated outdoor cats having an impact on the environment. empirical evidence and therefore opinions on the matter are subject to change with empirical data. science currently does not support this common misconception but it's something that people freely parade because they feel a certain way about it.
Adester
Depends. Predators are part of every ecosystem and keep the balance. If they are native to the local ecosystem, then that is no reason to keep them inside.
fluorophores
not only that but the data behind these claims is murky af. don't take the downvotes too hard.
people get very mad when you have proof to contradict their emotionally charged claims. https://www.felineresearch.org/post/issue-brief-wildlife-impacts-of-outdoor-cats
ifyoutakemeseriouslythatsonyou
That's also a nope. Domesticated cats endanger native wildcats by hunting their pray AND mating with them and diluting the gene pool of the few wildcats left.
Leaps
Cats are not native to most places. Also, for where they ARE native, we killed most of their predators.
taco81
And feline domesticated cats are domestic to which US regions?
I know the answer, do you?
Adester
If you want to know where cats are native, then look up the wiki article.
stercusmoriturussum
And who said anything about the US?
choppedliveraldente
My dogs removed every packrat within a half mile of my house. Haven't seen any large rats either. Good dogs.
Kehy
They earn their keep when used as barn cats, as the humans create an exceptional density of rodents
3Davideo
At that point they're not entirely pets anymore, but closer to working animals. The sort of cats we're mainly talking about here are full pets.
Kehy
Where do you draw the distinction? It's not uncommon for barn cats to be retired indoors if they've tamed down, though they very rarely are 100% indoor cats
3Davideo
That is admittedly a difficult line to draw. But the discussion here is primarily aimed at completely house-pet cats that haven't had to work a day in their lives, and more importantly, their humans. You know, the ones that live in suburban and urban environments and have no idea where the nearest barn or farm even is.
Kehy
I see you don't live in a place where that's also a very difficult line to draw. On the same street we have median class housing developments with single and multi family homes, and also older homes with enough land for livestock, who do have livestock. There are rarely black and white situations in reality
MechKelly
Wait until you hear how damaging humans are.
ELKronos
And this is exactly why I have always argued humans shouldn't be allowed outside either!
3Davideo
It's *one* good reason, to protect the local wildlife from your pets. *Another* good reason is that it protects your pets from the local wildlife.
flyingmonkeystick
Yup, the second one is so important. Wild animals, other people’s stupid aggressive pets (looking at you pit bulls), traffic, and just other bastard humans in general.
There’s a reason outside cats have a much shorter lifespan.
jenoween
Not sure why the downvotes. Your reasons are all valid. Those are all the reasons my cat has lived her nearly 17 years indoors. I don't want her to get killed/eaten. (I live in rural Canada so her getting eaten by something is a very real possibility).
SailorPupitar
They blamed the pitbull instead of the owner who trained it.
cambam3000
And cars. Never forget cars.
drGrafenberg
Cats are great at keeping rodents out of everything.
Rhythmaster
Not really. They bring the rodents inside, and sometimes the rodents are not dead yet, and then the rodent escapes into the walls and we can't figure out how to get rid of it for 3 goddamn months. That's what happened with my cat anyway.
drGrafenberg
All cats are not built the same.
anonymous
Rat Terriers are better. They were bred for one purpose only, and they're damn good at it.
DdCno1
Yeah, I've seen them in action. Once the kill frenzy starts, they can amass body counts that are staggering. Cats are a joke by comparison.
Yellowchopsticks
The ones in this post seem to be bringing in rodents though.
drGrafenberg
It’s a problem of theirs.
kimmycat57
Then tell the cat just to kill the bad rodents and not the other species that are beneficial to our environment
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kimmycat57
Then they are an invasive species. They also kill birds, frogs etc that help the environment
drGrafenberg
No, the rodents are invasive to the stable.
drGrafenberg
They do.
cptjellyjiggeler
*said the species that destroys the ecosystem...
drGrafenberg
Please do elaborate.
SPQAAE
Googe says. Each roaming pet cat kills an average of 186 animals per year, according to multiple studies. In the U.S., outdoor cats are estimated to kill 1.3 to 4 billion birds and 6.3 to 22.3 billion mammals annually.
slamEVIL
https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1OGhzbm1hczFidGJqbDIwM2M0Z2JzYzg1YmhhZjRkMXk3Z3VjaG5udiZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/83QtfwKWdmSEo/200w.webp
katziewolf
Big deal, and how long have cats been on earth, domesticated and not
Maelwrath
This is like saying what's the big deal that there is E. coli in the drinking water cuz it has been around forever and we all have it inside us anyways.
Leaps
A long time in their native habitats. Of course they used to have other predators that kept their populations in check, and also limited food supplies that did the same. Too bad we killed most of their predators, give them free food they don't have to hunt for, and introduced them as an invasive species to every country on the globe. So their historical population REALLY DOESN'T MATTER.
fluorophores
https://www.felineresearch.org/post/issue-brief-wildlife-impacts-of-outdoor-cats
googling a claim you want to believe is not how empirical evidence generation works. the data does not fully support these claims.
SPQAAE
Still, even if the birds killed by cats are too be considered less healthy and possibly less in number than thought to be estimated. We should still see this loss of animal life as an unnecessary loss that could be prevented like preventable a preventable disease.
fluorophores
please don't take this the wrong way but there is no "still" when talking about empirical evidence. I'm so tired of discussing whether facts exist or not. your emotionally charged claim no matter how rational it may seem to you, is wrong. now nobody says they don't have an impact just that ACCORDING TO THE CURRENT EVIDENCE THIS IS NOT THE CASE. and that's a fact whether you like it or not.
fluorophores
did you actually read the article?
SPQAAE
Just keep your cat inside.
fluorophores
wow, I'm convinced.