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Hailtheprince
Convicted*
Rhysssss
No. There should be more protection, job security etc given to someone if they're found not guilty.
Rhysssss
Keeping them anonymous leaves them free to continue their fucked up life if they are in fact guilty, which is the worse scenario by far.
ButtholeMarsBarDispenser
If youre innocent, but are publically identified as being investigated, your life is over.
KaterMeow
EccentricNimoy
Just wish it wasn't still a problem
Winterous
HAHAHAHAHA no. If everyone thought that, we wouldn't still be doing it. Talk to any college feminist, 90% chance they disagree.
chrisb413
Stole my thunder. Agreed.
KaterMeow
Absolutes are the worst. Don't we want to avoid harm or repress someone who is innocent. They should have regs to protect everyone involved
IHaveAPhrasalUserNameLikeThisOneCauseTheyAlwaysGetTheTopComment
From now on we should downvote every wrong use of this meme.
sourcandy
Not everyone. Someone I knew commuted suicide just 2 days ago because a video was published accusing them of being a pedophile.
SmashYourLife
The opposite of what you said is far more unpopular.
nightrein
Here, maybe. But if it wasn't ACTUALLY unpopular, than it wouldn't still be an issue would it?
Memari
I think it's about time we just rename the meme as 'Opinion Puffin'.
iNarrateYourReply
How would we mob-lynch them then?!
chrisb413
That's what Twitter is for.
ArmyThrowAwayAccount
Just wait for the next black person to get shot by a white cop.
ohgeeRick
Yes that poor temporarily deaf white woman
ArmyThrowAwayAccount
?
AlexD
A male in any way vaguely associated publicly with paedophilia, IMO best to find a bridge and jump. Totally innocent but your life is over.
WHATILEARNEDINBOATINGSCHOOLIS
kpmatias
Since prosecution relies a lot on the public to come forward to help build cases i doubt it would happen.
AlexD
If a male spends any time alone with a child then a female makes any plausible allegation the routine investigation alone will ruin him.
AlexD
I read the newspaper. These stories are in there. Entire families ruined by an allegation 10 years later proved false without question.
kpmatias
we also gossip like no ones business. secrets? pfft. what's that?
PartyDick
And there needs to be harsher punishments for the accusers if found to be lying.
disinformatique
I propose surprise butt secks for them !!
shadowbanmeagain
80% of the rapes I got arrested for were false accusations.
disinformatique
Are you a good swimmer? I mean it was only 20 minutes of action.
Winterous
kek
karaboolou
My abuser wasn't found guilty (joys of being very rich) the only thing that helps me is knowing it will always be on his record regardless
PaprikaSix
If they weren't found guilty then you should be publicly humiliated and sent to jail for filing a false report. According to Imgur at least.
karaboolou
I know eh
RoscoePSoultrain
Name suppression. We have it here in NZ and it works pretty well. US media will report "Mr So and so from the 1200 block of Elm St." Wtf?
YouAreMyFetish
The news was at my house the day my mother was arrested it was on the news. They came to our door and I ran to my parents room and cried-
YouAreMyFetish
In the corner. My mom is a good person but everyone in my county even the people who knew her hated on her before she was even scheduled-
YouAreMyFetish
A court date.
EccentricNimoy
What happened?
BelfryBats
You can be arrested and charged with all sorts of things, whether or not you're actually guilty of it is another story.
AlexD
Person falsely convicted bank robbery or practically any other crime do the time and might restart a life. Not possible these circumstances.
woodjoiner
Guilty in the court of law and guilty in the court of public opinion are two separate things.
GemsAreOutrageousTrulyTrulyTrulyOutrageous
What woodjoiner said.
Drazhi
I always thought this meme should be renamed "presumably unpopular opinion puffin" because having a meme that's not popular is redundant
PaprikaSix
At this rate it should be renamed the "Imgur false rape accusation circle jerk puffin"
steevveperry
Or just "opinion puffin"
Hyrrokken
This happend to a good friend of mine. He's ex got angry and acused him for childporn for having a picture of her daughter in underpants/1
Hyrrokken
But not in a sexual way but he's face came in the local news, he's bike store got burned 2 times and he got beaten up 3 times. All this /2
Hyrrokken
For a exes revenge.. he wasn't founded guilty but he's life and reputation is broken and can't be builder up again. I feel so sorry for him.
NobleSavant
If we did that, then Brock Allen Turner would have gotten off entirely scot free, no one would know, and nothing would happen to him.
Sabre2087
How would the public not knowing his name result in him being completely free from punishment?
NobleSavant
He only got 6 months. If there hadn't been a public backlash, he'd be right back on track with his life, the shitstain.
Sabre2087
Wasn't the backlash about the sentence? Therefore, after he was convicted.
IHaveAPhrasalUserNameLikeThisOneCauseTheyAlwaysGetTheTopComment
Wasn't he eventually convicted? And even if no one figured out what he did, I think that's better than wrongfully accused people being...
IHaveAPhrasalUserNameLikeThisOneCauseTheyAlwaysGetTheTopComment
...the victim of lynch mobs.
mikeatike
Once convicted the name would be released. Or are you saying because the public doesn't give 2 shits about a thing 5 minutes after?
MilDravin
AND the accuser is cleared of any wrong doing..
savageof
THIS MEME IS FOR UNPOPULAR OPINIONS
prettycallous
I think it's been corrupted by irony at this point.
thebeardismightierthanthesword
I think the same for any and all crimes.
DickCheneytheDefilerBanned
What about if the crime is for donating too much money to help starving orphans (become hitmen for the pope)
CyborgScribe
Poor Dick Cheney can't catch a break.
SlowMoE30
Yes, keep trial by media out of it. But I don't have enough faith in justice with high profile cases to fully agree.
raudssus
Like it is in civilized countries.... why the hell we need to talk about it if its already known and solved problem? Oh right cause US didnt
Pineapples4dayz
There was a stabbing in my city recently, and the guys name or pictures weren't released til he pleaded guilty. good guy welsh media?
sillyblackcat
That's the way it is in many countries. And rightly so.
FizzleBurger
The constitution emphasized the importance of a public trial to prevent corruption behind the scenes. I think.
WhyDontICare
Even with open trials there have been cases were both the police and prosecution know for a fact the person is innocent but still push for
WhyDontICare
a conviction. Judges have been known to give severe sentences where they have connections with the company who own the prisons.
WhyDontICare
Then there are cases where the judges give very lenient sentences to people they have connections to.
WhyDontICare
Open trials only reduce the likelihood of corruption, it still happens.
SupraLove
Yes, court cases are made public to demonstrate the "transparency" of justice and what not.
FlatPlutoSociety
This. ESPECIALLY crimes like terrorism and pedophilia that are often targets of mob justice, but definitely all crimes.
BlissfullyIgnorant
Including officer involved shootings?
VOTS18
I think that's a bit of a slippery slope though. If anything I think we need MORE tansparency in our justice system.
FlatPlutoSociety
The problem is publicizing the accused's name is its own form of punishment, with real consequences. I don't like pre-conviction punishment.
TChallaVanDam
Well said.
menapoeka
That's the way it's done in civilized countries #civilizationburn
Remne
The difficulty is that justice needs to be seen to be done. Google: Stephen Lawrence coverup.
sillyblackcat
It can be seen without naming the suspects and showing their faces.
WhyDontICare
That investigation was flawed because of the overt racism of the Met and their indifference to "just another nigger" being stabbed to death
WhyDontICare
Only when the story got national coverage did they make an effort to find those responsible and that investigation too was flawed
WhyDontICare
The prosecutors were always going to struggle to get a conviction with such piss poor police work
Sipsap88
If you ever want to watch one of the best documentaries on the subject of trial by media, watch ESPN'S 30 for 30 on the Duke LaCrosse team.
Sittingaroundwitholdpeople
I think people shouldn't rape people, or fuck kids.
Adamanteus
And I think water might be wet
FishstickPizza
That is a very bold and unique statement.
Winterous
Great, that's a crime, not an injustice committed by the courts, like what we're talking about.
nightripper
Instructions unclear: went down on a Billy Goat.
keypicking
Well, oddly you might actually be okay (in the US anyway.) Only a few states have laws on the books outlawing bestiality! Was it consensual?
gambanteinn
Interspecies relations.
Waqar274
run a campaign with that as your slogan. ill give you my vote
nolantheirish
Did you miss the point or are you just saying you don't like rape or fucking kids?
fuck123456789
and just let people be arrested and not have to be named
fuck123456789
"its for their own safety" never heard from again
JustAnAbidingDude
I like how this "unpopular" opinion gets reposted like once a week and gets a shit ton of votes every time
notadisneyprincess
and it still sucks.
FishstickPizza
So basically, like 95% of the rest of imgur? Reposts that get lots of votes on a regular basis.
raudssus
It is already stupid to call it opinion, cause civilized countries already solved this. No idea why Americans just wants to ignore that
beforethehodor
I AGREE! I also believe mass murderers names should never be allowed in the press so they can never be encouraged by fame
raudssus
Civilized countries already do it... everywhere.... it is sad that we have to talk about it here, when its a solved topic.
Tanwolf
Some of the media won't give out the names of shooters and serial killers for that reason.
MidiArbite
No, that would absolutely not be tolerated. I don't care about a few fame seekers, people deserve the chance to piece together motive.
icameinlikeafeckingball
How about we just continue to use whatever nickname they’re given during the investigation (e.g. Zodiac) and don’t release personal (1)
icameinlikeafeckingball
information like their real names, where they’re from and what they look like. Also maybe go to a greater effort to paint them like the (2)
icameinlikeafeckingball
monsters they are rather than objects of fascination. (3)
MidiArbite
Don't care, several have been outright terrorists, and those links should not be hidden.
nostalgic
underrated
beforethehodor
The coolest part of a democracy is we get to have a pretty kickass life. sometimes it does come at an expense. Does a name matter that much?
MidiArbite
Considering some of the similarities between certain recent mass murderers... Well I think people deserve to know them.
beforethehodor
Well there's always an exception to the rule. Don't get your panties in a twist
MidiArbite
The first ones to get hidden would have been San Bernadino and Pulse. Swept under the rug like Rotherham.
LiterallyYourMom
OK. I happen to think people on the internet should stop acting like false rape accusations are as prevalent as sexual assault, but hey.
JasonMason8
Nobody except your strawman friend argued that false rape accusations are as prevalent as sexual assaults.
LiterallyYourMom
Do you regularly read the front page? There's way more outrage posts about false accusations than actual assault or even harassment.
JasonMason8
More outrage doesn't imply higher prevalence. Gj lumping rape, sexual assault and harassment all together, as if they were the same thing.
LiterallyYourMom
Read better. The phrase "or even" implies a lesser degree, as with "let alone" or "much less".
deplorableadorable
YES.
Carvinesire
I think people on the internet should stop acting like 1 in 4 women on college campuses get raped, but hey.
IllCaesar
Well do you have an actual rebuttal to sthat study? Because it used a legal definition of rape. Even if you use the strictest definition 1/2
IllCaesar
It is still a one in ten chance.
Carvinesire
More like 1 in 50 chance on college campuses. FACT CHECKING.
fusselwurm
Still, rape *is* heavily under-reported.
disinformatique
Everything is heavily under-reported.
gambanteinn
I know. Ask male victims.
Remne
And female ones.
Winterous
You know, in India they're actually MORE prevalent.
Winterous
Well, more prevalent than legit accusations, not actual assaults.
disinformatique
India also has a population of 1.2 billion, even a small percentage is a very high number. South Africa and Sweden are worse though.
PastelCannibal
That's funny cuz the man that stuck his dick in my mouth when I was six got off scott free with nothing on his record. He did no jail time.
Winterous
And? You think that a very difficult-to-prove crime having a low conviction rate should overturn innocent until proven guilty?
0hmymymy
No it isn't funny at all. So sorry this happened to you. That perverted bastard.
nolantheirish
Oh and to address the guy getting off lol there was a kid who streaked across the football field and he's a sex offender for life no justice
MidiArbite
I hope you mean that weird british desert but I know you don't.
Winterous
Stick in the mud? Toad in the hole?
disinformatique
Head on a pike?
PaprikaSix
If Shanghai Knights taught me anything, it's that spotted dick is confusing for non-brits
nolantheirish
Most rapists do, but I think his point is that media often chooses a case and hypes it up and a person can be demonized because of the 1/2
nolantheirish
Media manipulating people's thoughts on someone and immediately saying they are guilty. You know like the OJ case except the opposite kinda.
Remne
The OJ case was a fantastic example of the jury system working.
nolantheirish
Oh and I thought of a better example the duke lacrosse case where the public scrutinized the players even thought they didn't do anything
Carvinesire
The Rolling Stones rape article about the University of Virginia is a good example.
BillPostersIsAnInnocentMan
until convicted, not just charged.
AlwaysTrustTheManInABigWhiteVan
The Hunt (Jagten) is a great movie about this.
Kassimila
Until indicted would be the proper way.
holywhitetrash
convicted wouldn't really work with trials being public
Doctor0Professor
That's why the opinion is unpopular, until they're charged.
browsib
Username relevant?
Klojik
I recommend watching a movie called the hunt, it is a movie about this and it was horrible.
Klojik
I mean it was a good movie but what happened in it was horrible.
shartsicle
I respectfully disagree. Trials are public to protect the accused's rights, and to provide an opportunity for potential witnesses to come 1/
shartsicle
forward - to confirm/deny an alibi, for example. I used to run a store in the mall with security cameras & I knew my regular customers. 2/
shartsicle
If one of them were accused of wrongdoing, I'd've wanted the opportunity to check to see if they had been in my store the day of the act 3/
shartsicle
to see if I could provide some value in protecting them from a wrongful conviction. Public consideration of evidence is an important part 4/
shartsicle
of assuring justice for both victims & defendants. While I agree investigations should be private, it's appropriate to publicize charges.5/5
popejubal
I sympathize, but having public trials is important. Having secret trials that no one can see would be even worse than the current system.
LeviathanOmega
This. People as a whole are dumb and will tarnish the accused forever even if proven innocent. Protect the accused as well as the victim.
Rothmclear
This doesn't work either. My father was accused and convicted (on testimony only) only to be released 6 months later due to DNA evidence
justicetigerfan76
Yes
Gawky
its illegal for media to publish their names in my contry
JetSetGo
While I want to agree, the problem is that if the person is a rapist, you are potentially leaving victims in harm's way by keeping silent.
JetSetGo
Yes, they are innocent till proven guilty, but if anonymity creates more victims, then we'll all be trying to out those who've been charged.
BillPostersIsAnInnocentMan
what if they're not and someone sees their name on the news and decides to burn down their house?
JetSetGo
I'm not saying I know the right thing to do. These are incredibly tough decisions. But we need to think of every possibility.
CyborgScribe
Then you charge that asshole with arson. Who does shit like that? Crazy idiots.
Cheomesh
Ooo, secret trials...
BillPostersIsAnInnocentMan
who said anything about secret trials? judge can order a gag order on media from releasing name same way they do minors
CyborgScribe
Then a child molester in a three year trial could potentially do a LOT of harm while free and anonymous.
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rosiethereaver
Not necessarily.
mousemarie94
I guess this person is talking if the person posts bail before their trial but the likelihood of the ind. Offending while awaiting trial...
CyborgScribe
How would we keep him anonymous until convicted if he was arrested when charged? Wouldn't his family and the prison know?
xakh
Unfortunately, that goes against the constitution. See, in this case, it totally makes sense, you don't want someone's name dragged (1/?)
xakh
through the mud, but the problem is, everyone has the right to a public trial, to allow for transparency. See, the Brits didn't (2/?)
BillPostersIsAnInnocentMan
public trial != media needs to have the name so they can infer guilt without the verdict
xakh
Do you think the way it works is "The Media" is given all of this information instantly? Do you not get that journalists do research?
xakh
It's not like the courts call CNN and say "hey here's a person that dun did a thing," the journalists take advantage of public information.
xakh
(and I believe still don't, but don't quote me) have public trials when the US split from them. This has the obvious benefit of (3/?)
xakh
allowing someone to stay anonymous when convicted of a crime. However, it has a HUGE downside. Without a public trial, someone can be (4/?)
xakh
Accused, tried, and convicted in secret. This is what England was doing when the US split up with 'em. They'd try people with barely (5/?)
mieuu
yeah because fuck their other victims, take a number and wait your turn
InboxMeYourHDGIFs
YouAreMyFetish
Because sometimes mistakes are made so obviously the right thing to do is ruin peoples lives even if they are innocent by the publics -
YouAreMyFetish
Opinion.
ragingzealot
Not publicly identifying them isn't the same as letting them roam unchecked. Police would still be keeping an eye on them.
SexIsALotLikeAnOceanImDrowninInIt
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BillPostersIsAnInnocentMan
You're that special kind of stupid huh? Innocent until proven guilty.
SkiMaskThePlumpGod
How is shouting the alleged perpetrator's name from every corner going to help the victim? It's called the justice system ya dunce.
soMuchHappy
Fuck yeah! Everyone loves a good witch hunt
YouAreMyFetish
Honey where is my torch?
imp00ping
I've got them! Grab the pitchforks
slivr
There are many cases of people accusing someone of rape when it didn't happen. This happens all the time. And when it's finally found (1)
mousemarie94
"all the time"...based on stats, incorrect but it does absolutely suck when it happens. I hate those people
slivr
Okay, that was a bit of an exaggeration, but I heard a lot of people talking about these cases today specifically. Just coincidences, though
slivr
out that it didn't actually happen, it's too late; the "rapist's" life is fucked. Regardless of if they're actually a good person, the (2)
slivr
statement won't go away. They'll still be affected by it, and there's almost no chance of them getting rid of these charges.
JarJarDrinks
Courtrooms are public places, there is no privacy about who is on trial and for what.
BillPostersIsAnInnocentMan
plenty of trials take place while there is a gag order in place
JarJarDrinks
Gag orders only apply to the media. Anyone can watch a trial.
BillPostersIsAnInnocentMan
which is mostly what I'm getting at (if you see my other comments). won't stop rumors, but would certainly prevent the widespread abuse
BillPostersIsAnInnocentMan
4) without the media reporting the name BEFORE conviction, wouldn't have happened.
BillPostersIsAnInnocentMan
3) she found he was once charged with rape. she wasn't comfortable being alone with him. he was acquitted of all charges, but it follows
BillPostersIsAnInnocentMan
2) for example, i was reading a story recently about a woman who googled a coworker and reported to HR she wouldn't work with him because
lambaroo
not unheard of for other victims to come forward when a suspect is named. they probably find it easier to do it when they don't feel alone
BillPostersIsAnInnocentMan
possibly. not unheard of for someone to be found innocent and have their lives ruined and pushed to suicide too though
lambaroo
i don't disagree, but that's solely a societal problem, whereas i gave a societal problem that may well have effect on criminal proceedings
lambaroo
society is *supposed* to accept a verdict as truth, whereas w/out publicity + others coming forward, some cases may never have got justice
BillPostersIsAnInnocentMan
I don't disagree with you that it's a problem with society, but it is a very real problem that can't just be ignored. I get where you're
BillPostersIsAnInnocentMan
4) come forward, but 100% of the time, those accusations will never fully go away. Media is to blame for most part
BillPostersIsAnInnocentMan
3) and while it might be easier for them to come out if they see they're not alone, just as often it'll go the other way and noone will
BillPostersIsAnInnocentMan
2) coming from with other people coming forward, but even then, that has no bearing on current case, each should be tried on its merit
WhyDontICare
If it has gone to trial then the prosecution believe they have enough evidence to convict. Should the defendant be found guilty then name (1
WhyDontICare
them. At that point, any other victims will hear of the conviction and if they choose they can come forward. Having a trial in the hope (2
WhyDontICare
that other victims will come forward during the trial is an insult to the judicial system and should not be allowed. (3
LordRazon
I believe for a lot more. High school we had a classmate accused of killing dogs and it was in the news and everything. Turns out a few 1/2
LordRazon
years later it wasn't him. It was done by a wild dogs killing cats and dogs. That's after all they put him through during HS important years
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AnExtremelyLongNameNotToBeObnoxiousButJustToBeTaken
Should be pretty obvious what has killed a dog, big difference between a knife cut/wound and a cut from another dog fighting etc?
TheMadHart
I... don't understand what you're saying.
ThatIsMyPassword
Stray dogs killed other dogs, a kid ended up blamed.
TheMadHart
Thanks for the clarification
TheTwoRaptorsYouDidntEvenKnowWereThere
makeup dogs are a threat to us all, its 2016, more people should know about the dangers
Xsiah
In 2016 we don't call it rouge anymore. Either he's a time traveler, or he's French.
imjusthereforthemoneynotyourbs
What?
SailingSteak975
Agreed, there was a kid in my high school who got accused of rape by a girl couple years below him and when the trial came it turns out 1/2
senorsamuel
Same thing happened to a kid in my school, word for word. and he killed himself. Girl moved, never charged.
TheNinjaPervert
That's awful. Poor kid.
SailingSteak975
She was lying like he said she was but the damage was done and he left my school because kids kept calling him a rapist at school 2/3
SailingSteak975
He even got into a fight during gym cause he was so fed up with it, nice kid but everyone was a dick to him
Sionas
People are cunts
aldoraine1986
Never forget
blackletum
What happened to the girl, legally? Anything?
AdamAz
Nothing happens to these lying bitches.. Double standards.
SailingSteak975
Nothing I think she moved as well cause people kept calling her a "lying cunt"
BombCyclone
Inquiring minds want to know.
ChimeraGryphProduction
Did he at least sue the prick for intentional infliction of emotional distress, libel and/or slander, etc. Especially in high school 1/2
chaoticbinary
if i recalled correctly you can counter sue for libel and slander
ChimeraGryphProduction
that's a good amount of money that a college fund, car fund, among a few other things that would have been bought. Money helps at least
BreadyStinellis
Actually, winning money in a suit can actually make college harder to afford. Friend of mine won $ from an accident, bought a car. Went to
BreadyStinellis
Apply for grants, denied because of her winnings. Still has a shit load of student loan debt.
DarkwingDuc
Assuming her family has money. Can't get blood from a stone.
keypicking
The court could garnish their wages until the end of time.
IATTM
Ahhhh hem....
eclect0
Wow, so wrong it hurts. A public trial is the right of the ACCUSED per the sixth amendment, for reasons that should be intuitively obvious.
Sheex
So why not throw the accuser out there too, since that is an integral part of there being an accused? And don't say "the state is accusing!"
Sheex
In cases like rape, the state does not prosecute unless an onus is provided by an accuser declaring a crime has been committed.
BillPostersIsAnInnocentMan
2) n cases where excess publicity would serve to undermine the defendant's right to due process, limitations
BillPostersIsAnInnocentMan
1) In Sheppard v. Maxwell, 384 U.S. 333 (1966), the Supreme Court ruled that the right to a public trial is not absolute.
keypicking
To hear the SJWs tell it, the accusation equivocates guilt regardless of actual guilt due to under-reported rapes. Wrong indeed...
AdmiralButtStuff
That said I think the biggest part is where we let media (thru editorial reporting) report as if someone is guilty before trials even occur.
BillPostersIsAnInnocentMan
3) can be put on public access to the proceedings.
BillPostersIsAnInnocentMan
6) perfectly reasonable until proof has been given that shows guilt of the crime.
BillPostersIsAnInnocentMan
5) tarnish their reputation forever even if found innocent. leading many to depression and eventual suicide. a gag order by judge is
BillPostersIsAnInnocentMan
4) but more to the point - 6th amendment was ratified in 1791 - long before media had the reach it does now. announcing someones name will
gunterleeds
But perhaps its a right that the accused should be able to decide whether to invoke. If they'd prefer it not be public, maybe it shouldn't.
AdmiralButtStuff
You can have a public trial and keep it out of the news. Maybe not releasing someone's name to the media would be enough.
keypicking
come hell or high water, you my friend have departed and diverged mightily from reality. (2/2)
AdmiralButtStuff
If there is a court order against it penalties follow. Sure, it'll happen, but not often. You're delusional if you think it will.
daughterofatook
Here in NZ courts regularly order name suppression while a case is ongoing. The damage done before a verdict can be devastating.
keypicking
Well, aren't you an eternal optimist? Or just delusional... If you think that the accused's name wouldn't be released to the media (1/2)
AdmiralButtStuff
So b/c youre incapable of imagining a system where it would work I'm delusional and have "diverged mightily from reality?" Sure thing buddy.
eclect0
I understand the spirit behind the comment, but can you imagine the abuses that could take place in a trial not open to the public?
ilavalamp
I don't think the problem is the trial but the media. If the news publishes a name it won't matter the outcome. First result on Google...
tantricpooper
It's not that it should be hidden from the public, the defendant should just remain anonymous.
BillPostersIsAnInnocentMan
This is what I'm getting at. A simple gag order on media would be a massive help. won't stop rumors, but would prevent a lot of it
tantricpooper
Also a change of venue so your own community isn't judging you.
eclect0
So what, they wear a paper bag in the courtroom?
tantricpooper
Separate room from the courtroom, audio only with voice changer.
Corrodias
Use video recordings of testimony, with redaction where appropriate. It's a good idea for other reasons, too, and it has few drawbacks.
NateLifestyle
One of my teachers growing up was accused of having child porn. Even though he wasn't found guilty, the public accusation prevented him(1/2)
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Undeity
I really feel for this guy... I'm always babysitting my young female cousins and they always think it's amusing to flirt with me in public.
Undeity
Whenever I'm with them, I'm always deathly afraid of being accused of being a pedophile. They're fucking 10 and they think it's funny.
tracereading
get it on tape (audio or, preferably, video). Don't let them know they're being recorded, so they can't say you put them up to it.
KungFugazi
Better find out the laws for your state. In some, if you tape someone w/o their consent, it's inadmissible in court. (Florida, for example)
tracereading
what kind of backassward asshattery is that?
MoAth2k
Primacy effect... First information has the strongest value
ThunderAtHawaii
I'd suggest watching the movie 'The Hunt', a pretty good take on this
MagicSquid
from following his dreams to become a professional clown at children's birthday parties (2/2)
Bystandr
Our desire to seek justice can lead us to malign the innocent. There are also many found innocent after incarceration. We need to be mindful
Bystandr
of this when considering how we treat the process.
TheHibiscusIsMeltingAgain
My favorite former teacher was accused of inappropriate contact. It came out that the little twats conspired to get him in trouble 1/2
TheHibiscusIsMeltingAgain
2/2 but it still ruined his career only a few years short of retirement. He cared more about students than any teacher I've met.
MyCatEatsMyCakes
Same thing happened to my favorite 8th grade english teacher, she was sent nudes against her will and before she could report it the kid (1)
MyCatEatsMyCakes
Called the school and told them about an inappropriate relationship he had with her and she got nailed even though it was proven to be (2)
MyCatEatsMyCakes
A one sided relationship of him harassing her. I will always hate that (now man) kid for hurting the best teacher I ever had
Korosuta
Something very similar happened at my school as well.
DontAskMeAboutMyUsernameOkay
Then there's my high school.. Where a vice principal some whack relationship with a student. And then she tried to say he assaulted her. 1/X
DontAskMeAboutMyUsernameOkay
In one of her stories she said they went to a movie theater, parked. He locked the doors. And asked her to blow him. She did. 2/X
DontAskMeAboutMyUsernameOkay
However, she was making it seem like she *FORCED* him to. Dude, she was in the passenger seat. Hit unlock and leave if you don't want to 3/X
DontAskMeAboutMyUsernameOkay
Eventually he was charged (idk what), she got found out for lying (the whole school knew anyways), and shortly after, she went poof. 4/X
DontAskMeAboutMyUsernameOkay
To this day. You can search my high schools name on google, and his picture still shows up. It's further down now, but it's still there. 5/5
DontAskMeAboutMyUsernameOkay
Whoops. Typo. I meant, "like he *FORCED* her to".
Bootyclapnutsack
Even if he wasn't forcefully grabbing her head making her blow him, it is still beyond inappropriate behavior for a vice principal (1/2)
Bootyclapnutsack
(inappropriate for anyone) Also, highschool students are still pretty dumb, she may have genuinely thought she was being forced to. (2/2)
DontAskMeAboutMyUsernameOkay
Considering they were in a 'relationship' and there was a HUGE texting history.. including pictures.. Yeah, she was totally scared.
Bootyclapnutsack
Well, that's new info for me. Still, its inappropriate for him (or anybody) to do something like that to a child/minor.
AssLisa
This literally just happened in my town. Except they did find stuff...and that's why he killed himself :(
Terminalpfc
Guessing you're from north Texas?
Yuken
So... not literally.
AssLisa
I didn't say literally the same thing. I said literally just happened.
ShesMyWomanNordStyle
You said "This literally happened", implying that it was the same thing.
NateLifestyle
from ever teaching again and led to him killing himself.(2/2)
dnw1710
Dulwich?
Montey
There was once a teacher at my school with a pen cam and would take pics up skirts and down shirts
squishcat
That is so terrible. He could've done something else! Still horrible.
fluffycake25
This is how society fucks up someone's life. Beware of the crowd
kryoptik
Similar thing happens when you have an arrest record even if charges aren't brought - many employers won't hire.
WhyDontICare
I read a newspaper article a few years ago about people being arrested with a NFA. They looked people whose convictions were about to expire
WhyDontICare
and found that over 80% were arrested on a similar charge near the point at which they no longer need to declare their convictions
WhyDontICare
but then were told that no further action would be taken. It meant that the arrest would stay on record permanently.
UhDurDurDurDur
I'm certain that was my english teacher
NateLifestyle
He was my band teacher. It's sad to see that this is so common.
koinuchan
Jeez, it would really help if we didn't just have our hands hovering over our torches and pitchforks.
OhSweetFancy
That's the worst thing I've read all night. No one deserves that.
GemsAreOutrageousTrulyTrulyTrulyOutrageous
Holy shit.
Gasnia
Smells like justice.
Gasnia
*sarcasm for the ones who are blind.
Mrcartoon
Harza
I would hope you ment that as "the people at fault need to face justice" not "he got what he deserved"
By0the0By
Some kid at my dad's school started a rumour like that, glad the teachers immediately addressed the children to say this is not okay.
OptimisticDownvoteLover
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GeneralMountain
That teacher wouldn't happen to have taught at an aviation school in Miami, would he?
NateLifestyle
Unfortunately not, he was my saxophone teacher in middle school in Colorado.
GeneralMountain
Ah. Nevermind then.
OkThanksByeee
That's terrible. I hope that one day they find their peace of mind and forgive him, even if he's dead.
NateLifestyle
He taught the saxophones at my middle school; we all forgave him even before we knew he was found not guilty because he meant so much to us.
LaronX
That is absolutely wrong. How can end up punished ( not being able to each) if he was found innocent. That is crazy.
RelativeVelocity
Liability and social pressure
Deathviper
Just goes to show how the mere accusations of some things can ruin peoples lives.
StringVariable
That's bullshit. There are tons of people involved who are too cowardly to look past a wrong accusation; their faltering to fear does it.
bandabears
You guys should check out the movie "The Hunt" really fucked me up
jimcake
I can't imagine killing myself. I realize they're not thinking reasonably... I just wish people would try living in a brand new place first.
Baddaybadday
It's arguable wether or not it's reasonable. A person gets to decide the value of their life vs the weight of their brand of pain. 1/2
Baddaybadday
2/2 the man lost the job and all prospects of having the job he loved. His life may not have been worth it to him without it.
alsoAzrael
With the internet, there's no such thing as a brand new place.
BZM007
I doubt it was viral
alsoAzrael
Doesn't need to be. Employers look up prospective employees all the time. They check facebook and twitter and google. They'll find out.
Baddaybadday
Google your name with your city. If you've ever made the paper or been arrested you will find it quickly.
KyleBeach
These days the only hope of that is to move to some low infrastructure country without much internet. Unless the teacher shared a name with
KyleBeach
someone that would bury his name, a quick google search on his name would turn up articles on the court case.
BZM007
Who the fuck googles a teachers name
misseyebrows
Or he could join the army :/.
5t6thyerf
:( one of my teachers had his licence revoking for "sexually assaulting" kids, it was a smear campaign because he was gay. but he became 1/2
TheMightyAku
Where are you from?
5t6thyerf
a lawyer instead! sorry to hear about your teacher :( 2/2
LaronX
That is still very fucked up. Glad to hear that he recovered, but that was the highest level of social dick move.
Einer
Watch "The hunt". It's similar story. Good movie but terrifying.
Farugah
This was the first thing I thought of, that movie freaked me out.
RadicalRaizex
My exact thought. Highly fucked up story. I'm terrified to think this actually happened.
CaptainTrips1980
As a teacher, this is my worst nightmare. Seriously freaks me out.
dexterousgek
You ever see the hunt? *shudder* It's awful
ihatepcslut
"the hunt" movie is the best men. Genius. Perfect.
dexterousgek
It was good, but so disturbing as someone who works with children.
IFrickinLoveSharks
Same, worked with a girl who was abused as a baby/toddler, and as a 9 year old made false accusations. We were warned it could happen to us
AceBandito
A student loudly called me a creep for quietly sitting in the back of another teachers class with a laptop. I don't want to work anymore.
celestedrake
...Aren't teachers supposed to regularly sit in on other classes?
AceBandito
Middle school. I had already been in that class all year, she just decided to start hating me I guess? Didn't want to go back the next day
Snoron
If I was a teacher I'd want to wear a body cam 24/7 to literally record everything I ever did or said just in case. Fuck false accusations.
CycloneSP
well, yer in luck. google is currently developing a camera contact lens thingy that'll do that for you!
celestedrake
Good.
Snoron
... although I don't think recording kids all day would go down great either? Then again some classrooms have CCTV, so...
gfbabc
My favourite teacher was accused of murdering his daughter and they had his face all over the news. He killed himself, a week later 1/2
YamatoIouko
Jesus Christ, these stories all end like Elliot Reid's inspirational stories. x.x
CaptainTrips1980
Holy shit! Poor guy.
gfbabc
2/2 he was found innocent :(
RIPSlurmsMckenzie
When I was in Highschool my teacher told a bunch of us guys "I never want to be in a room with a girl student alone.
RIPSlurmsMckenzie
Just not even worth the risk. They can ruin your life with just a few words.
CaptainTrips1980
You NEVER should be. If you have to have a private conversation, leave the door open and keep some distance between you. Precautions protect
Caremono
There's a movie about this su
Caremono
bject, with the dude in the pianist movie (wwii)
CaptainTrips1980
The movie Doubt is also similar
N0Juan
perhero whose parents get killed when he is young. A guy dresses up as him at 3:32am every third Tuesday of the month.
TChallaVanDam
That was fucking awesome.
RyanBall1
I fucking love you for this :)
Caremono
nice!!
Alpine262
My dad is a teacher. One of his yeacher buddies got charged for sexual assault. The girl admitted she made it up half way through the (1/)
MindlessChaos
Similar issue with family friend... dude is one of the nicest guys I know and is a school admin. 1 girl had been feeling sick and he...1/?
MindlessChaos
went over to ask her about it, class was going on.. he was behind her desk and leaned over (iirc) to whisper in her ear to not disrupt. 2/?
MindlessChaos
afterwards her and 2 of her friends which did not like the guy cuz they get in trouble, said he had groped her when leaning over... 3/?
MindlessChaos
Unfortunately they found porn on his school ipad, which made him look guiltier, and if you didn't know him, hard not to judge. 4/?
Alpine262
Case and all charges were dropped. However he got fired and wasnt able to find a job as a teacher ever again. There is something (2/)
sockstrapsecond
fucky (3/3)
RaiXira
Also yes
Alpine262
Seriously wrong with the current system. Also people need to stop assuming guilt before a verdict is made.(3/3)
disinformatique
You want shit to not stink, sadly it wont happen ever.
Cogitation
This same thing happened to a band director in my home town awhile ago. He had to leave the state even after the trial proved him innocent.
Cheesecakecrush
"The accusation is the evidence" used by unscrupulous people the world over
UltimaCaitSith
I'm good at teaching math when schools are short on math teachers, but as a male I'd never teach due to this difficulty.
Weentit
That's asking a lot from average people
Isorikk
Sadly most people think you "got away with it" if charged and not found guilty in sexual assault cases
norill
most people are also stupid. what a coincidence!
connerfusion
every high profile case where the guy is exonerated, my wife's loony feminist friends always call it 'a travesty of justice'
ZRod
The false accusers need jail time equal to what the person they accused would've gotten if found guilty. Instead they get off scott free...
Cheomesh
Absolutely not.
MeatballMaker
...accuse someone but it is to not scare away the real victims. So far we as a society hasn't come up with a solution that solves both probs
MeatballMaker
...not do anything thinking they'll end up in jail after going thru something horrible. I know it's fucked up that you can falsely(1/3fosho)
MeatballMaker
That is so people should not be scared to file rape charges that actually happened. Some are scared no one will believe them and just (1/2?)