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Asteroidrules
Killing Nazis is an American tradition.
DoomGuysCousinKenneth
What annoys me is that Wolfenstein didn't need to market like this at all. They're just throwing fuel on a fire everyone is sick of.
Markodgt
Wait, this is real? Like this isn't the onion?
Cheomesh
Would it matter even if it was? I mean, we live in Bizzaro world now.
TehSeksyManz
Idiocracy
Dangerneck
If you ask me, there's not enough Nazi killing in the game. It's light on Nazi killing. Too little killing of Nazi's. Could kill more...
JediDavid
imjustabilluponcapitalhill
Only good Nazi, is a dead Nazi.
somerandomtwat
*a converted nazi
Janggoth
Oh no, the assholes got offended, whatever should we doooo...
Number1Nun
They’re getting dumber and louder every day
somepersondoingsomethings
Yeah bc you guys cant get enough of hearing about them and the media can't wait to give them a voice so they can write about them. Way to go
MrDieHigh
KILLIN NATZEES IS MY BIDNESS, AN BROTHER, BIDNESS IS AH BOOMIN
BiteTheHandsThatThieve
I say we make more Nazi killing games. Nazis should live in fear that the rest of us kill them in games for fun.
fourkingbaker
Maybe we should make neo-nazi hunting games.
aleksiss
Yeah, I hope they never leave the moon.
sakurafanelia
Gotthatreference.jpg
biggwhytey
After 70 years on the Moon, Earth gravity would crush them.
whoisyourdaddy
Fuck Nazis.
PunnyPunenstein
Simple and got the point acorss
ChiefMasterAirmanFirstClassSelectInCharge
Nazi punks fuck off!
LookingForWorkInColorado
Ultimaniac
The dev's response is the best"We don't feel it's a reach for us to say Nazis are bad and un-American,
Ultimaniac
and we're not worried about being on the right side of history here."
Devbot0716
1. Nazis are bad. 2. Not everyone you disagree with is a Nazi.
channelranger
In this context you'd only get mad if you self-identified as a nazi.
Devbot0716
A: B is a Nazi B: No I’m not A: I don’t listen to nazis C: B isn’t a Nazi A: OH! DEFENDING NAZIS ISN’T A GOOD LOOK, C!
biggwhytey
ewww21
The point is, if you didn't sympathize with them, you really wouldn't care because it's Wolfesnstein.
TheGrayLanternsApathy
3. The people who are claiming to be Nazis probably are.
twothousandfourhundredseventytworice
MrjordanP
I could see how this could offend some Trump supporters who aren't Nazis. Either way, I did Nazi this one coming.
RobertNAdams
(1) Well yeah, tons of people calling everyone right of Chairman Mao a Nazi again & again and then you release a campaign like this...
RobertNAdams
(2/2) And add to that the fact that tons of Trump supporters were broadly painted as Nazis sans any evidence. I can see how they'd be upset.
roflcopterLOL
Also repurposing MAGA for specifically anti-Nazism rhetorically infers those who use the original unironically are Nazis. Which is unfair.
SassySauron
To be fair,"Make America Nazi-free again" is pretty a pretty ham-fisted way to parody MAGA. They could've just kept it in its original form.
RichardCraniumwasalreadytaken
If they did that, chances are they would go from pissing off 0.1% of the country, to pissing off about half the country.
SassySauron
But pissing off half the country is okay when they fail to see the irony.
Sithlordofnachos
“You can make jokes about Nazi’s because if one gets angry THEY’RE A FUCKING NAZI.” - Craig Ferguson
PunnyPunenstein
IcemanChilled
I miss Craig.
PunnyPunenstein
Me too and Geoff
Sithlordofnachos
Don’t you dare forget Secretariat.
PunnyPunenstein
Of course I'm so dumb *ding ding* hold on there's somebody at the door...ITS SECRETARIAT!!!!!
HandsomeSwede
Craig Ferguson is fucking baller! He should get more talk show exposure.
gryffindarkbreed
The issue is that in muh kurrant yeer anybody who disagrees with libtards or stands to the right of Mao is "An evil nazi white supremacist"
Xithia
The issue is, people call them selfs Nazis then people like you defend them because they arnt really calling them selfs Nazis its liberals
Jackeea
I... think that if anyone gets upset that a video game has nazis being killed, then they most probably qualify about being a nazi?
galsfer06
Hear me out, so when I see protest I usually see the Left calling all of the Right by the term Nazi (Nazis off our streets) /1
Allrighty
I think "Nazis off our streets" might have been a response to the Nazis in the streets.
roflcopterLOL
Theyve been shouting that since before the Nazis reemerged from whatever dank pit they inhabit. Nazis seem to be here to defend against that
Allrighty
Nazis are defending against being wrongfully labelled as Nazis?
roflcopterLOL
I mean that people have been yammering about the evil Nazis for ages, so the real ones have come out of the woodwork now to voice their side
Allrighty
I don't think that's right.
galsfer06
"The ad campaign also re-appropriates President Donald Trump's famous campaign slogan, "Make America Great Again," with a slight tweak:" /2
galsfer06
#MakeAmericanNaziFreeAgain. As such, some folks who voted for Trump are conflating /3
galsfer06
the killing of Nazis in the game with real world advocacy for killing Trump supporters." /4
galsfer06
If you are a called a nazi when you go to a protest, and people truly think you are a nazi, they will kill you. /5
roflcopterLOL
There was already the #PunchANazi thing in main media. If they're not human enough to avoid assault, why stop there? Why not murder them?
galsfer06
I hope the term nazi doesn't lose it's true ugly vile meaning. Right now, for some poeple it means Trump supporter, which is crazy. /6
Greymalum
Made me think this was the Onion for a moment.
Cresset
Onion headlines aren't this clickbaity
PunnyPunenstein
I thought it was too
MexicanHandOff
When real articles sound like satire and satirical articles sound real.
Jackeea
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheOnion+nottheonion/ Without looking at the subreddit name, try to tell which are real and which are satire...
InsanityBuildsCharacter
tbh, i thought that too..
CaptainSmartass
Trump supporters who are gamers right now.
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HandsomeSwede
Ugh. Being a Trump supporter is shitty, but it doesn't make you a nazi.
digitiliad
Are we still pushing the "All Trump supporters are Nazis" line?
galsfer06
Are you really equating Trump Supporter to Nazi? Are you an edgy 11 years old?
somerandomtwat
"i cant support my opinions with facts or logic so I'm just gonna call all people that voted different nazis"
DirectorBright
Actually the only thought I'm having is "people who demonize entire groups they disagree with are assholes"
Zomnivore
Hillary was stalin to Trump's hitler
Cheomesh
Not the least little bit.
Alkuam
I now have need to see Hillary with a big mustache.
BiteTheHandsThatThieve
Not really. She wasn't even close to communist. She also would have been a better president.
AcidicGoddess
Oh please, let's not put one on a pedestal just because the other is a fuckwit sandwich.
TargaryenLoyalist
Trump sucks so bad that "would have been a better President" isn't even much of a pedestal. Faint praise, really.
AcidicGoddess
Trump sucks but Hillary was willing to go to war with russia. Death is death no matter who causes it, so let's not praise one evil.
DrRichardJizzums
Saying she would be a better president isnt even a compliment, really, it's just true. No pedestal needed.
TargaryenLoyalist
Haha, you actually think they're asking themselves that? Self-reflection isn't their bag. They'll just settle for playing the victim again.
ThatGuyWhoThinksEveryoneIsAPineapple
Oh come on, they're literally Nazis! They're one of the few things we can actually kill in video games with no repercussions!
ularg
"Don't bring politics into this game please" The Nazi said to the game series about killing Nazis
RichardCraniumwasalreadytaken
Except they said it loud, in German. So everybody lost their shit.
skylone
A game series that has been about opposing Nazis since 1981 (The first two were top-down 2D games by a different developer)
snowman520182
I would lay good money that no Nazis actually complained, and this is just some jive-ass virtue signaling click-bait
ChancesAreIHateYou
Or realllllly good marketing.
HiddenSanity
1) No, several known Nazi accounts did the complaining, they feel it's all political since it's a play on Trumps slogan, "calling trump
HiddenSanity
2) supporters Nazi's?" and "Stirring up hatred against the white race." were cited reasons... also, 'virtue signalling', really?
IronMarla
It's always been a thing, but now it has this great new name. Also, it's easy to get positive feedback from virtue-signalling vs. Nazis.
HiddenSanity
Meh, Sure 'Virtue-signaling' is silly, but seems like a rather minor concern, given they at least gotta have a bit of virtue to signal with.
IronMarla
For the most part, any use of it implies disingenuous behavior, acting holier-than-thou rather than actually -being- holier, I guess?
IronMarla
Nazis are dumb assholes, and there are (statistically speaking) very few Americans who identify as such. Attacking them is easy points.
IceCreamButtholes
Nope. Lots of verified Nazi/Neo-Nazi/"alt-right" types complained. www.popularmechanics.com/culture/gaming/news/a28542/wolfenstein-nazis/
somepersondoingsomethings
The real point is theyve prob complained about these things before but you just didn't have a microscope on them. Way to give them a voice.
IceCreamButtholes
Show me where the complaints were on older Wolfenstein games, before Fox News and their ilk turned people like Milo Yiannopoulos into ->
IceCreamButtholes
<- hip young "fashion icons" and "alternative, young activists".
somepersondoingsomethings
Are you really saying that it wasn't until now, that white supremacists made irrational comments about the path of American entertainment?
thatlamer
Ignoring them gave them a voice. A very loud one, because they were able to cultivate and spread their message uncontested.
somepersondoingsomethings
Neo-Nazi, KKK, Skinheads have all been in steady decline or stagnate in the 21st century. I suggest you read the ADL's report on them.
thatlamer
Stagnate is the important point. People die. Stagnation means they're being replaced. Also, they're declining? Cool. Too bad sites like 1/?
somepersondoingsomethings
https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/state-of-white-supremacy-united-states-2015.pdf
CyborgScribe
So...someone below provided a link proving this isn't fake. So were you lying deliberately or just didn't bother fact checking?
CyborgScribe
http://www.popularmechanics.com/culture/gaming/news/a28542/wolfenstein-nazis/
snowman520182
Eat shit. I said I would hazard a guess, and that guess turned out to be wrong. It's not like I'm guilty of war crimes
CyborgScribe
Also what the hell is "virtue signaling" and is it a real thing or some alt-right myth?
snowman520182
Oh, it's very real. Thanks for presuming I'm on the alt-right too, that's swell of you
somepersondoingsomethings
Obviously anyone who doesn't agree with them is alt right and susceptible to Nazi beliefs. It says it right there in their manual.
IronMarla
Vitue signalling is a real thing. It has been incredibly common for... ever, but now it has a fancy name that people have learned.
IronMarla
The really common kind of this that you see is church people trying to out-church other church people by being even more churchy.
snowman520182
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue_signalling
CyborgScribe
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/mbj9xv/the-alt-right-thinks-wolfenstein-the-new-colossus-is-racist-to-white-people
CyborgScribe
And what idiots upvoted this guy?
TresusIbor
Im upvoting him just cause you all jumped his ass.
TheCharrDidAscalon
To be fair, its an obvious spin on Trumps MAGA slogan and the majority
eskimoe
Yup. This is exactly the kind of reaction the marketing team wanted when they decided to use Trump's slogan. To stir controversy to boost
eskimoe
the awareness of the game. Pretty bold, and ingenious in a way.
Arcanum3000
I'm not clear why that would make it controversial. "Make America Nazi-free Again" isn't some kind of edgy, morally questionable notion.
Arcanum3000
Unless, of course, you're a Nazi or Nazi sympathizer.
eskimoe
The controversial (or rather provocative) part is where they use Trump's slogan. It's an obvious jab at Alt-Right/Trump supporters
Arcanum3000
The "alt-right", aka Nazis.
eskimoe
For the most part it seems so. Neo-Nazis or their sympathisers. Maybe some trolls who just do it for shits & giggles added into the mix.
eskimoe
to get a reaction from them. And then a counter reaction from everyone else. Like I said, the marketing team knows what they're doing.
TheCharrDidAscalon
Of Trump voters are conservatives, not Nazis
thanatos777
In what way does that particular twist on the slogan make it sound like Trump supporters are Nazis?
Sprinkleton
You don't have to be a nazi to support Trump, but if you ARE a nazi, you support trump
TheCharrDidAscalon
Nazis will support anything that divides and confuses the nation. That just happens to be Trump today but not because OF Trump
Trvekvltarsehole
Don't use logic here!
TheCharrDidAscalon
I'm being downvoted for pointing out most Trump voters arent Nazis lol shit like this is why that asshole won
TheMajesticHarpyEagle
I mean, not all the trump supporters are Nazis, but in america at this time probably all the Nazis are trump supporters.
Trvekvltarsehole
Didn't David Duke support Hillary?
HiddenSanity
TBF, a Vote for Trump was basically saying you're okay with white supremacy.
DrYoloMcSwagmasterIIIEsq
How so?
Krakencrotch
Is there that big a difference between being a nazi and condoning nazis though?
DarthReznor
You say those two words as though they're mutually exclusive
DirectorBright
Are you implying that they are synonymous?
DarthReznor
Not all conservatives are Nazis, but all Nazis are conservatives
TheCharrDidAscalon
That is categorically false. Conservative ideology and Nazis have nothing to so with each other. Same with neoliberalism
Trvekvltarsehole
Nazi = national socialist.
malikcarr
The fuck? I encourage you to do some more research about how the Third Reich operated, your comment is factually incorrect.
JackCoughlin
"National Socialist Party"
BrosephStalinTheSecond
Man they are are so delicate, almost like...Snowflakes.
Draevan13
When the people they don't like get mad at a game: "It's just a game, dude!" But it's different when they're the ones that don't like it XD
kobrakaimf
Broflakes
monosapien
UnabashedBasement
First time seeing Jack on here
freezingpilot
Funny story, 'snowflake' was first used as an epithet to describe people who opposed the abolition of slavery. Source: Merriam Webster.
ChinaFerarriDeathCrash
Isn’t the whole snowflake thing supposed to be ironic? Or did I misinterpret Fight Club
JustSquanching
We are all the same decaying organic matter.
ButCanTheyBeatGoku
What is this Fight Club you speak of?
grklein
One does not talk about it.
HiddenSanity
It was supposed to be ironic, but Alt-Right seems to have started taking it seriously?
Skuldi
It's developed into the "cis scum" of the toofaridiotright. They're no smarter than the ones they're condemning, and started using it seriou
Skuldi
... Seriously. Thanks phone.
SJohnson23
As long as you understood it to be about men desperately wanting to fuck other men then you understood it fine.
TargaryenLoyalist
Wait, what? That's what it's about? Guess I was too busy lusting after Helena Bonham Carter, who even looks good when she's trashy as hell.
SJohnson23
Extra good.
HandsomeJackBlack
So triggered
JayEnfield
Xecryo
I love this. Racist nationalist rhetoric is freedom of speech to them but a video game about killing nazis is too far.
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ShamnusMcfee
No such thing
flikrdoodles
What did they say?
ShamnusMcfee
Something about the 'alt-left'
biggwhytey
Such thing: Black Bloc https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_bloc
NGC5189
It's especially ridiculous since the content of the speech they want kept free is an ethnic cleansing of the country.
RiftSkipper
And theirs a court case that said that rhetoric or speech to insight violence or genocide is not protected by free speech
StrayLilCat
Which court case exactly? I need it to shove down Nazi throats.
RiftSkipper
I learned about it LE last year, I'll try to find it myself but I know longer own the textbook
StrayLilCat
Don't worry about it, I'll poke about google.
HandsomeJackBlack
I guess you could say they're pretty triggered
nirach
It's delicious. It's so thick and heavy I'm not sure I could eat another bite, though.
Strasburg6592
This is why I root for the aliens in disaster movies.
thomasthetankimgurine
Also, isn't angry the default mode for Nazis?
PatrickPettibone
There is an argument that its hate speech, lmfao. I mean its ironically hilarious in a morbid sort of way.
cheeseguy3412
This settles it. Going to replay the new wolfenstein games today.
ChrisMorray
Meanwhile GTA, a game about killing cops, gangsters and random civilians, is okay. Nazi logic.
SnugglesaurusRex
Another irony is the Freedom of Speech the Nazis are hiding behind would be eliminated if they were in charge, and they'd kill millions.
NachoDawg
tbf ive only seen nazis say they wont buy their products, which is the right way to protest speech you dont like
Fluffycorn
Maybe we all have to apologise to them Imean what did they do?expect from genociding millions of people and persecuting .. OH I GET IT NOW !
urasim
Implies they want to deport(at best) or kill (at worst) the Nazis. Not cool considering people who're not Nazi have been labeled as such.
b1ohazard777
They have the freedom to declare their disapproval.
elfdude
Everyone is a nazi now, just a fyi
phunksoulbrother
No, it's because it implies all Trump supporters are Nazi. It also has the KKK teamed up with Nazi's which is beyond stupid. 1/2
phunksoulbrother
And before you go "Oh, they aren't hue hue hue", no. Oh, wait, I forget you live your entire life as a victim.
somerandomusernamebecauseididntlikemyoldone
It's an alternative timeline in a fucking video game (meaning it's fiction) they can literally make it anything they want.
TheGriffin
Because they aren't the ones making it
makeSX
What if they are just playing with the same rules as the left is: shouting about one thing as long as it is with theyr agenda...
terribleinternetpunsfirstborn
I'm a liberal, and you're not wrong. There's a shitload of that on both sides, people only objecting to targets not tactics
Koga90
So you're just going to blindly believe that? Who exactly have they interviewed? How large is this sample if it exists?
TheWombatStrikesAgain
According to the president, some of them are good people. And when has the president ever lied or not known what he was talking about?
FrankPerkele
Read first: "has known what he was talking about" doesn't change much though.
Zomnivore
That rally wasn't 100% nazi. And White nationalists are akin to Jewish groups or Asian groups or the NAACP how are they bad people?
PlantainSuperNova
The difference is that the NAACP isn't calling for all other races to be kicked out of the country or ethnic cleansing.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
If you march with nazis, who are displaying nazi symbols and shouting nazi slogans, you're not good people. Period.
Zomnivore
IF you march and Nazis's show up and join you, you aren't legally allowed to remove them you dipshit.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
But you can make the decision that you don't want support from those people and simply stop. And no idea why you feel the need for insults.
infiniteweasels
If you're a decent human being, you tell the nazis to fuck off. If they don't fuck off, you don't march with them hand in hand.
TargaryenLoyalist
You can remove yourself though. I dunno about you, but if I'm doing something and Nazis start joining in, I'd take a step back and rethink.
BondHaimBond
well, they got a permit, so you know, good people.
FrankPerkele
Yeah, also when nazis have their rallies it's about free speech but when someone kneels during anthem it's a crime condemned by president.
Xecryo
I believed the term he used was "Sons of bitches"
DiarrheaTsunami
NCAA is far more fun to watch than NFL, anyway.
itsdaphonz
Whoop whoop, RTR
PartyMarty92
It's not that people can't kneel. It's that they shouldn't kneel during the anthem. The anthem and the flag is/was a unifying symbol.
somepersondoingsomethings
It's almost as if we can get pissed at people for disrespecting our country. Kaepernick never had a valid point and he hates police. We will
somepersondoingsomethings
Just gloss over that fact though because the agenda says he is fighting for the oppressed!!
MillenialJesus
...no it isn't.
randomthug
The flag represents many things and no one person can claim to know what it represents to everyone.
PatrickPettibone
I understand the concern But do you want the government to enforce patriotism. Free speech including symbolic speech to me is the crux of1/2
PatrickPettibone
Of what America that's not to say you shouldn't be offended, just I don't want government to intercede with free speech pretty much ever.
somepersondoingsomethings
I agree but under the same vein people are telling the people upset with disrespecting our country that they are racist. Its ironic.
mechanicalhemiola
if they were "praying to the flag so their cause might be heard," would it be different? Cause kneeling is genuflect, a sign of respect.
IronMarla
One of the great things about our country is that we can protest whatever the fuck we want, the actions of our government included.
Alvatore
For now.
IronMarla
I'm comfortable saying that purely because that single point of failure will basically mean that it's an actually different country.
thatlamer
Whats unifying about an anthem that a bunch of freaks screaming all/blue lives matter want to force you to pledge to while black people die?
DirtRockets
Any flag that doesn't symbolize your right to spit on it, burn it, wipe your ass with it, any anthem that doesn't stand for your right to
DirtRockets
use it as the soundtrack to those escapades, is not a flag or anthem worthy of respect, or honor, or blood being shed for it.
ularg
They can kneel during the anthem. They can burn the flag brought out for it too if they want.
NERDRAGEohacat
The kneeling was suggested by a veteran, dual purpose of showing respect AND mourning for the fallen. It's not disrespectful at all.
Krakencrotch
Found the nationalist "patriot".
Cheomesh
*facepalm*
FailedCrate
Ach, halt deine Fresse.
kevincow
Protesting injustice is far more American than any flag, anthem, bald eagle, or apple pie. It's literally what this country was founded on.
KingBanana8008
This guy. Yes!
Alvatore
I'm thinking the country was mostly founded on being upset about paying taxes.
kevincow
That was part of it, but it was more complex than that. "No taxation without representation." They weren't upset about being taxed, they >
DiabetesPorn
Woah woah woah slow down there buddy. Don’t be throwing around the reputation of Apple Pie like that.
Reviire
They can and should if they want. Forcing people to kneel to your anthem is stupid.
TargaryenLoyalist
You think it's unifying to black people? The anthem *literally* glorifies killing runaway slaves. Check out that third verse sometime.
Pimpsmurf
http://www.snopes.com/2016/08/29/star-spangled-banner-and-slavery/
TargaryenLoyalist
You *are* aware that the link doesn't say I'm wrong, aren't you? It just says that there's also another interpretation out there.
kevincow
Haha, holy shit, I never read that much: "No refuge could save the hireling and slave; From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave"
PatrickPettibone
No way.
TargaryenLoyalist
http://www.theroot.com/star-spangled-bigotry-the-hidden-racist-history-of-the-1790855893
PatrickPettibone
I looked at the third verse I think you and I have different definitions of glorifying
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PatrickPettibone
Sorry I take that back. I struggled with the language. damn history is screwy
FrankPerkele
Yeah and nazis shouldn't be roaming in the streets. Whole thing with the anthem and kneeling has been blown out of propotion anyways.
DirectorBright
Everything has been blown out of proportion. People seem to have forgotten how to tell when someone is begging for attention.
FrankPerkele
Very true, nowadays it's extremely easy even for single persons or small groups to get a lot of attention.
RobertNAdams
So has the nazis thing, there's a few thousand in a country of 320 million. They're not something to fear, they're something to laugh at.
FrankPerkele
True, altought seeing them even in small numbers is saddening.
PMMECORGISPLS
Hitler and the NSDAP started off small as well. If the USA plunged into an economic crisis I think you'd find many getting more extreme.
PureOdio
I've tried having civil discussions with self-claimed fascists. Many have the self-reflection capabilities of a vampire in a mirror boutique
ImSorryThatIWasBornIdentifyingAsTheSexThatIActuallyAm
The same can be said for many of the self proclaimed anti-fascists of late.
DirtRockets
The more insular an in-group, the less self-reflection they have. This isn't only true of fascists, ofc, but it's scary how little ability
DirtRockets
they have to reflect on their own idiocy and contradictory nature. It's the nature of rigidity that no belief is falsifiable and all roads
DirtRockets
lead to Rome, so to speak. No matter what the input, the output will always be the same -> "This just proves our point." Go tell them a
DirtRockets
black man committed a crime, "see, blacks are inferior." Go tell them a black man stopped a crime, "see, they're the exception -- if they
mycatwatchesmedump
Ohhhhh this made me giggle
Paasimus
Funny thing, i've heard the same about communists, anarchists, conservatives and liberals. Never the centrists though, for whatever reason.
Glompsi
I suppose there is a reason that they are centrists to begin with.
Allrighty
Fascists are almost by definition dishonest. They're not interested in facts or logic.
HalloIamherenow
I need to keep this insult in mind for later
gr8snd
+1 for awesome analogy.
Magicflutefreddie
Good analogy.
Dorkypanda
That was an amazing grouping of words
IcyLucario
Best line I've heard in a long time and I'm going to steal it.
ShoahdGoy
I'm a fascist...
ChuckNorrisAteMySock
Sorry about your tiny penis...
GiraffeLoveImgur
Sorry about your sock
AliBarber
With a Yiddish username? Fuck outta here
CptDandy
>Implying fascists can't be Jewish, Don't confuse them with national socialists.
AliBarber
I look forward to seeing a Jewish fascist.
SelfawareFetus
Well then you know exactly what the good sir/madam is talking about. Now go bump into a mirror.
YourLocalSnitch
I’m not sure what you said but that sounded like a great insult
PureOdio
Many versions of vampires show no reflection in shiny surfaces. As far as I can tell, this originated with Bram Stoker's Dracula.
BlowOnItAndStickItIn
It’s why we don’t know if there are space vampires.
ThePastmaster
Yeah, because mirrors use or used silver... Oxide? to make the reflective surface.
CommonSnowflake
Used is right. Modern mirrors use aluminium, which just makes it easier for the vampires to live amongst us!
idonthavetimeforthiseither
I read that book but it was so boring I can't remember if that was in it
Cheomesh
HEY. Vampires have a legitimate disability >:|
RockPapersBeer
Vampires? Don't you mean >:F
RockMeLikeASugarcane
Yeah, don't reflectionshame them!
MoreCowBellBaby
Now the question is who are you lumping in as fascist? Because recently the word has been thrown around like water balloons
Cheomesh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism (I've seen some of those Neo Nazi types with the shields have literal Fasces painted on them!)
GreatTeacherMichael
"Self-proclaimed" so anyone who calls themselves one
DirtRockets
As they stated, *self-claimed* fascists. I agree the word is used absurdly loosely by pretty much everybody, but self-identification is...
DirtRockets
well, it's self-identification.
RackhamTheRed
doesn't turn a frog into a prince. or a nutjob into a fascist. or batshit crazy into a feminist. or adam sandler into a decent actor
krapmyself
I'm white and neither proud nor ashamed because I was born this way. Being proud of something youre not responsible for is very arrogant.
Zhorhammer
Racial pride flourishes when people lead so unsatisfying lives, they decide they're special because they woke up white and heterosexual.
Barbarian90001
Sound like a teenage emo who's never seen the world. Basically you don't understand how civilization or history work.
Zhorhammer
Nobody ever accused neo-nazis of excessive intelligence.
TheShadowsLengthen
Philosophy nitpicker here, what could you to be proud of, even if you're not responsible ? Your family ? Nation ? Intelligence ? Life ?
DirtRockets
For me, nothing. You can hold pride in ancillary ways, I suppose, like how family is participatory. Even race could focus on community-
DirtRockets
building, but that's a participatory aside. The reality is if you take pride in things you didn't do, you're just going for pride by asso-
DirtRockets
ciation, and that's just as silly and fucked up as taken pride in the fact that your classmate got an A or your coworker got a raise.
Barbarian90001
Very emo and nihilistic dude. Tell my parents I can't be proud of them because you don't understand basic sociology 101.
ularg
I'm white, it's just a skin color. The culture is tied to nation, place and time. Made by people, not skin color.
Wilson029
Exactly. The saying used to be "I'm proud to be a black (profession they were discriminated against)".
CardboardPizzas
What about LGBT pride?
IronMarla
I feel like this particular form of pride refers more to 'I have stood up to everything the haters can dish out' rather than 'I'm gay'.
IronMarla
I'm not proud of my sexual orientation, I'm proud that I chose to live my life honestly and weather the shitstorm that results from that.
HandsomeSwede
Go you!
IronMarla
Hey, thanks. ^_^;
moofs
I always found it more pathetic than arrogant, myself.
Whatifidontrememberthis
White people in America take pride in their ancestry/ethnicity. I'm proud to be Irish. Not about skin color because it's not cultural 1/2
Whatifidontrememberthis
The way it is for African-Americans whose ancestors were slaves and who have been culturally defined by their skin color ever since 2/2
Barbarian90001
So being proud I'm Asian is arrogant? You should be proud of your Ancestors, you're building on the shoulders of giants.
LukeSkywankr
I'm proud of my wife, but not responsible for her. Am i arrogant?
LessanderoCortez
Who's responsible for your marriage then?
kayakninjas
I'm proud of who and what I am, which includes being white alongside a bunch of things I've done and things I had no hand in.
Cheomesh
Yhep.
CyborgScribe
I'm proud of my race I just think every other race is equally dope. I think we should all be proud together and eat good food.
HandsomeSwede
Why would you be proud of your race though?
AmArschdieRaeuber
Same reason people are proud of their country, which I can't understand at all.
ChronicD
It's silly, but people need something to latch onto.
CyborgScribe
I'm not sure pride is the same as clinging. I'm way more proud of my personal accomplishments. I have pride in many things.
NotTheMamaNotTheMama
And drink good wine!
CyborgScribe
Hell yeah.
cirnonine
I like your style.
InfantCrippler
dope ass saying
Brocktooon
I'm ashamed of you, if that helps at all.
Mostlydeadpool
exactly. why exactly are you proud of your nationality or gender or sexual preference? you didn't choose any of those things...
djsdkdjsk
I mean can't proud be like to be happy to be who you are and what race you ended up with but can also be "haha they suck"
HiddenSanity
Well, bear in mind that the 'pride' response for several oppressed groups more means "I refuse to be ashamed like ya'll want me to be"
somepersondoingsomethings
Except on anything other than a macro scale that leads to disturbing behavior.
totalwiener
I think the "pride" aspect comes from a place of showing you are unashamed of what you are. But people, of course, can also use it to say -
totalwiener
"I am better then you BECAUSE I am this." When someone says they are "proud" to be gay, they say it in response to years of hatred. But -
totalwiener
when you have people who are typically not oppressed in THEIR society standing up and saying "Well I am proud of this!" in response, it -
totalwiener
can get a mixed reaction.
DeadlyFood
When people don't have any personal accomplishments to be proud of, they find pride in trivial things.
InsanityBuildsCharacter
I sure as FUCK will be PROUD of that I am FINNISH, GAY & MALE! I refuse to be ASHAMED of something I cannot change.
krapmyself
So, when you are with your boyfriend, do you always make sure he Finnish to?
NotTheMamaNotTheMama
krapmyself
*graciously bows with excessive flourishes and exits stage right*
kuba913
Well im proud of my nationality why? Because i love my country, its culture and history.
biggwhytey
What country would that be?
KyloyRenkins
I get what you're saying, but what about being proud of the accomplishments of your favorite sports team, for example?
IronMarla
You chose that. You took action to align yourself with that sports team, for good or ill; in victory, celebrate. In defeat, commiserate.
HelpImTrappedInUserSubAndICantGetOut
And what about your country's sports team? That's not a choice, it's where you were born
IronMarla
True. But you can choose your degree of support; I think our whole schtick is pretty great, but we also get in some punishingly dumb wars.
TristanCaesar
You can still choose not to support it
HelpImTrappedInUserSubAndICantGetOut
True, but likewise you can choose to (or choose not to) support members of your country, race, family, etc. if you are proud of them.
HelpImTrappedInUserSubAndICantGetOut
What about your childrens actions? I suppose you could say you're proud of how you raised them but that's not the sentiment you'd be feeling
itsybitsyspider
Children are an odd thing. You can raise the child with all the best techniques for discipline and training and they still turn out to --
itsybitsyspider
-- to be assholes when they're older even if trained to treat people with respect.
IronMarla
You are directly responsible for helping to shape your kids' behavior. Some is out of your hands, but pride in kids is 100% a thing.
HelpImTrappedInUserSubAndICantGetOut
True, but my point is that you say "I'm proud of YOU" not "I'm proud of the way I raised you
TheWombatStrikesAgain
So if you acquired a time machine and made your parents fuck, you COULD be proud of being whatever race you are?
spudcosmic
Sure that sounds like quite a bit of effort.
happytreeleaf
But imagine the horrible loop you’d be stuck in
TargaryenLoyalist
If you made your parents fuck, you probably deserve a label other than "proud", you sicko.
flikrdoodles
Making your parents fuck is one thing, while making your parents is the real sickness.
LessanderoCortez
Well, remember this guy?
TargaryenLoyalist
To be fair, he was only fixing his previous screwup.
LessanderoCortez
Still, he can be proud to be who he is now right?
GoliathSkittles
Think I'd be more proud of owning a time machine at that point.
DogGuyInCatWorld
How do we still have Nazis in 2017?
Gordon3man
Short answer-feminazis
beingthatguyagain
Lack of quality education available for all
ComicAvec
We have high quality free education here in Finland. Still have nazis. Some people are just born stupid. Bad genes + FAS = guaranteed nazi.
toimiski
vihhu
Strikyre
I mean, they're shitty derivative fanfiction Nazis. Kind of like most movie sequels. Garbage even when built on their predecessor.
djausdr
Hahaha ! oooooh ! Buuuuuuuurn ! I couldn't have chosen better words to describe them.
mikeatike
When one is so pathetic that the only thing they can grope together with is their race, you get nazis.
flikrdoodles
I don't feel comfortable imagining them "groping together"
marcusvengeance
Because racism, stupidity and ignorance is a trait that will never disappear as long as there are humans around.
00110001001001111010000110110110011
Watch the documentary Welcome to Leith. It gives a nice inside look into present day nazism in America and why we must stop them
mrmartini
What we're seeing now is the rise of The New Dumb & The Old Hate.
Eldibs
Because they don't call themselves Nazis any more.
SelfPleasureRobot
Yeah, the prefer the term republicans now.
SelfPleasureRobot
I will take my downvotes. No Ragrats
talos2
This rethoric is the biggest reason the political debate is so toxic, because a lot of people on the left are like you.-
talos2
Paint the opposition as nazis and now you have the moral high ground. Ironically, you don't see how you make those disgusting nazis grow.
Nekazeroth
They call themselves "Alt-Right" now.
somerandomtwat
you just dont know what a nazi is
IKantEven
It’s like they missed a meeting where everyone agreed that Nazis are a bad thing.
fozzibab
Because people are shit, and freedom of speech is a perfect shield for racism and hatred.
MidlandRedux
Dumb ideas look glamorous from a distance. Same reason we have the KKK and neo-Confederates and monarchists and Christian Dominionists.
wanderingwheels1985
Because you can't fix stupid
LetumComplexo
Because there's always some extremely jaded person who wants to blame his/her problems on someone else. Naziism, racism, sexism, etc.
StrayLilCat
You know. Nazism doesn't go with racism, sexism and so on....
AtheistNotAntiTheist
The same reason there is a far left and a far right in politics. People feel down trodden and blame a different group for their woes.
Trvekvltarsehole
How do we still have Commies in 2017?
imnotlostinlifeijustdonthaveanywheretogo
'merica that's why
zeroofshadow
not enough people killing them mostly
StrayLilCat
We have people who defend Nazis and believe their opinions matter. Just check the comments on any Wolfenstein post on imgur.
danielfrost114
Trump supporters
IronMarla
Because we're still fucking monkeys at the very ground level of things, and being scared about stuff we don't understand is here to stay.
IronMarla
We can take actions to help inure ourselves to fear, to expand our minds, but that takes dedication and self-reflection.
AzgarOgly
Because last nazzi killing session was too long ago.
KevinKDE
I‘m Germany but I don’t know... Still a bunch of idiots...
crankyoldgeezer
We need more hippie chics to lure those hateful guys to the love side.
13fingerfx
I mean, yeah, a lot of their rage is probably frustrated sexual urges metastasised into hate, but don't wish that upon the flower children.
crankyoldgeezer
The hope is that their hearts soften enough to allow love& reason in.
13fingerfx
But in the mean time a bunch of poor flower-necklace wearing innocents are having gross fascists lower themselves into them. That's not fair
crankyoldgeezer
Oh geez I guess when you put it that way I guess you are right. It’s not worth it
BlueBomber05
It's really sexist of you to assume only men can be Nazis. Woman can be just as ignorant, angry and racist as any man
crankyoldgeezer
Agreed. Although for young men, much of their hate may be based in sexual frustration which may explain why they love saying cuckold
Dontaskjeeves
I like this idea, bc men will change . But...I do not want to prostitute myself for men to change their values. Mama needs to preach love.
crankyoldgeezer
Agreed. We all need to become sources of love in our communities.
Daeyelle
Because we keep asking the question disbelievingly instead of dealing with the problem
dietderpsy
We also have people who dress only in 19th century costume too.
eggmuffin
We still have stupid people raised and educated in relative isolation.
jobido
We don't have 2010 anymore
IndyAndyJones
Same way we still have the Klan. People are assholes.
Cheomesh
Same way we still have Pagans and Tax Lawyers - 'cuz.
dasapm
bad education.
Cheesecakecrush
People enjoy hate. They hate non-whites, you hate them, its all the fuckin same.
droppointalpha
We don't. Wannabes appropriating name because otherwise no one would care about them as they have accomplished nothing.
ularg
Trump, 4chan, Youtube Alt-Right and self described "Rationals".
somerandomtwat
non of these things
NotMyUsualUsername
"Everyone I don't like is a Nazi!"
ularg
If you think I just called everyone in each of these groups a Nazi then you are projecting.
NotMyUsualUsername
How am I projecting? You answered the question with a few names, no explanation given.
PorneliusHubertII
Same reason we have flat earthers in 2017. People are stupid.
SelfPleasureRobot
Come to the left side of the planet and say that to me bitch!
Stanistani
You I like.
djausdr
but why are they stupid ?
PorneliusHubertII
Genetic deficits maybe.
TheShiv0724
The internet has made every opinion "factual", along with ignorance being mistaken for an attack on their character.
djausdr
"Are there hats ? "
Imroy
Neolibralism, increasing inequality.
Allrighty
It all started with Reagan and Thatcher.
DavidBrooker
So that we can still keep making Wolfenstein sequels forever.
Arsikere
#worthit
problematicpolarbear
lindadeecaneatmyass
Even If we have to have a few real life nazis I approve
sailingthesoutherncross
Because stupidity and ignorance will always be there.
zykelator
Most of these "nazis" are just people who dont like muslim values for a good reason. Some them are just childish idiots (nazis).
CascadianTwilight
Lolwut
channelranger
Yeah no nazis are nazis. I'm talking about people who would call themselves nazis here- the ideology supports ethnic cleansing. Fuck 'em.
HandsomeSwede
Uhh...all actual nazis are nazis. I'm not sure what you're getting at.
toimiski
hej sötis
HandsomeSwede
Tjena kexet, står du här och smular?
Koga90
He's implying that the left has gone so far down the deep end that anyone with any conservative value is branded a nazi, or "deplorable" now
HandsomeSwede
As part of ”the left”, coming from a (usually) leftist country, living in a feminist student town, I can tell you he’s wrong.
zykelator
Uhm no. Everyone who doesnt agree with certain group of people are considered nazis nowadays.
HandsomeSwede
You're very much welcome to show me proof of that! I'm pretty sure nobody here has called you a nazi for disliking "muslim values".
DiabetesPorn
Damn, I’ve never seen a comment about to get downvoted so hard before it actually gets downvoted.
talos2
We don't really have that many nazis... it's just the media over blowing charlottesville...
StrayLilCat
We -do- have a lot of Nazi sympathizers, it seems.
talos2
Do you have examples?
StrayLilCat
Dude... Check the comments on any Nazi post.
talos2
I dunno what you mean but that doesn't mean much... a vocal minority means nothing really
NotMyUsualUsername
And part of the population calling the other side nazi's (without solid reasoning) doesn't really do much good either.
talos2
Agreed...
BiteTheHandsThatThieve
Cause we aren't killing enough of em. Make them fear to be known as Nazis and we won't have to deal with them anymore.
thatlamer
Nazis/KKK normalizing radical xenophobia in internet subcultures like 4chan, reddit, and video game region chats and preying on insecurities
somerandomtwat
not even close
MillenialJesus
something something free speech and giving them a platform.
zykelator
Yeah, because only right opinions can be shared. Facism isnt exactly best way to deal with things.
Josefbugman1543
It would never apply if someone who supported ISIS wanted to speak at a university would it.
somerandomtwat
no because if they supported isis they would be recruiting to act for violence but if you wanted to talk about the ideals that is have
somerandomtwat
like strict sharia law applying to everyone ect you would be allowed to talk about it
MillenialJesus
No, that is why I know that the entire free speech movement is absolutely bullshit.
Josefbugman1543
"But you don't understand, ISIS wants to ethnically cleanse ME!"
MillenialJesus
"I just want to ethnically cleanse people who are darker than me. Donate to my Patreon!"
legonel
Because free speech has been perverted. We need not tolerate them, we need to destroy them.
BlueBomber05
That's exactly the kind of intolerance that lets these idiots play the victim card and gain new followers
StrayLilCat
They're Nazis. What is there to tolerate? Are you really gonna let a Nazi play the pity card?
legonel
I know what I said is very violent, but some ideologies should not be tolerated.
TargaryenLoyalist
Because certain people are defending them and using false equivalence to claim they're not really so bad.
NotMyUsualUsername
To be fair, there has been a lot more instances of violence perpetrated by so-called "anti-facists" than nazi's.
YoSoyBrutalitops
Holocaust?
NotMyUsualUsername
I meant the last 5 or so years.. Be real for a moment, how much power to actual nazi's have today?
TargaryenLoyalist
So being genocidal is only bad if you have the means to carry it out?
JewAndMe4Ever
And by certain people you mean Trump right?
TargaryenLoyalist
I never said that. You may have heard it, I may have thought it, it may be true. But I never said it.
TargaryenLoyalist
That’s a quote from Community, BTW. And I sincerely thank you for giving me an opportunity to use it.
somerandomtwat
wow really i have never seen this at all. every time it is talked about people say they hate nazis you without exception
StrayLilCat
Man, I can link you to a thread on this site with someone saying Nazis are Nazis cause they got called Nazis, and are angry and lonely.
somerandomtwat
did he say that he supported them or just talked about what caused them to become nazis
StrayLilCat
Not support, per say, but that they're deserving of sympathy.
somerandomtwat
also please send me that link
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votfgz
I don't think national-socialism should be ostracised as an ideology just because the last time the leader turned out to be absolute madman.
somerandomtwat
but part of national-socialism is still antisemitism and race purity if that doesnt change how can you take the ideology seriously?
votfgz
Antisemitism is contextual and race purity is a misunderstanding because the word "race" was historically used in a different context.
votfgz
Taken out of 1930s Germany and reworded modernly it would be "resentment towards foreign infiltration" and "preservation of heritage".
Nordenfeldt
Wait, what? Nazism is Hitlers ideology, there is no separating them. There isn’t a ‘nice’ redoing of Nazism.
votfgz
Nat-soc has not been tried a single time since Hitler. Meanwhile, nobody argues that communism can't have a nice redoing because Stalin.
Nordenfeldt
Yes, because National Socialism is hitlers ideology, created by him based on his whims. It has no other identity.
votfgz
Yeah, because Gottfried Feder and Gregor Strasser never existed.
aleister94
the bullshit narrative that America has become "too sensitive these days" has made people scared to call out Nazi like behavior
SelfPleasureRobot
Dude, literally everyone calls out nazis except nazis (and apparently our president). This is not why we still have them...
HandsomeSwede
Oh I would say people are more likely to stand up against racism and nazism today more than ever.
DirtRockets
I'd make an argument to the opposite, actually. I really hate Nazis, but I saw this coming. Calling out too much as racism, sexism, fascism,
DirtRockets
just became 'crying wolf' -- the moral of that story was that sooner or later, there really would be a wolf, there really would be something
DirtRockets
ready to kill you, and here they are, and we tuned out just how severe it was because we were unable to sustain that level of arousal. The
DirtRockets
problem with a constant state of arousal is its unsustainable; you eventually crash. And society polarized because of it. The one hope I
CaptainInvictus
There's always been a fuckload of sexism, racism, & fascism in the us, and the start to call it out was a good thing. This is something else
DirtRockets
And, while I agree with your point, that America has always had... issues, to be polite, seeing it around every corner is not constructive,
CaptainInvictus
the number of black people literally murdered by the police has only gone up in recent years, but it's happened for decades. shit's fucked.
CaptainInvictus
the hysterics in response to people calling out racism and prejudice is far more outlandish than the actual calling out in the first place.
DirtRockets
unless it really *is* around every corner. False positives polarize people for their own sense of safety. Then other people polarize in turn
DirtRockets
Yeah, I remember Republicans trotting out the term Nazi for Obama. Fucking *Obama*. I remember Democrats trotting it out for Bush. We beat
DirtRockets
the horse until it was dead, then we kept whipping the fucking entrails. This is as much the product of our hubris as it is Trump's election
ThisIsFrigglish
Can't https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHsXNhPUMAAo_uX.jpg" class="comment__media" loading="lazy"/> really
Allrighty
Typical how any time you bring up racism white people feel like it's an attack on them.
snowman520182
C'mon, dude. Salon? Really?
DogGuyInCatWorld
You're an idiot.
ThisIsFrigglish
You don't need to agree with their conclusions to grasp that some people are uncomfortable with being the subjects of intended genocide.
TheosophicBlues
Yeah, whites are going to be just fine. The Nazis also convinced themselves that jews were really a threat.
ThisIsFrigglish
And now Israel has dominated American foreign policy for ~60 years. Of the 25 neocons who wrote the Iraq War plan, most were Jewish.
DirectorBright
That's not a refutation. Or an argument.
ThisIsFrigglish
If any of those said "black", they'd STILL be news.
HandsomeSwede
1) Would that be surprising, in a country with a history of oppressing minorities, where most minorities face racism on a regular basis?
HandsomeSwede
Please note that I don't necessarily agree wit Salon's points, but they are hardly the same as systematic, unfair treatment of minorities.
Starkiller02
Wow a news company is racist, better gas all the other races then
ThisIsFrigglish
Again. You do not have to agree with their conclusions to grasp that some people are desperate for SOMEONE to say they're allowed to be >
ThisIsFrigglish
okay with being white, and right now, this "alt-right" grab bag of ideologies are the ONLY PEOPLE SAYING THAT. It's not rocket science.
Starkiller02
I've heard the argument "Its the Liberals pushing all these kids to Nazism" no it's people just being dicks
biggwhytey
You missed a great many steps. First, problem after problem. Then, white people are frustrated. Then, being ignored. Then, white nationalism
biggwhytey
Problems: Heroin - Minimum Wage - Shit Public Schools - Poverty - Blamed For Society's Problems, etc. I would know, I lived in a small town.
HandsomeSwede
How are white people being ignored? By who? (whom?)
biggwhytey
They still don't have livable wages, the drug problem isn't being fixed (pharma painkillers make it worse). HRC doesn't care; Bernie does.
biggwhytey
They get called deplorable by a pres. candidate one would expect would fix their problems. But no, minorities' problems are all the rage now
snowman520182
Same reason we still have commies. Stupidity and evil make good bedfellows.
Rabh
neo-nazis are trying to reinvent the red scare for themselves, these cowards need an enemy
snowman520182
Damn, I'm going to award you the gold medal for mental gymnastics.
Rabh
yeah, the masses of communists taking to the streets and murdering people has proved me wrong
snowman520182
Yeah, they've just attempted murder, this far.
HiddenSanity
Nah, Communism is a naive ideology that is easily exploited by cruel people.
snowman520182
Again, stupidity and evil make good bedfellows
HiddenSanity
The Goal of Communism is not violence, it's just the sad outcome of their failure. Nazism, the goal IS Violence.
infiniteweasels
Exactly. Communism is people working together for everyone's benefit. Nazism is about destroying those who you deem lesser. Incomparable.
TheosophicBlues
I've met many nice communists. Can't say the same for neo-fascists. The Stalin and Mao apologists are out there but most hate them.
somerandomtwat
im sure all ideology's have nice people in them but that doesn't make them any less stupid or dangerous
Allrighty
No, I do not think there is a single nice Nazi. He may be courteous to your face but he still wants genocide.
snowman520182
I've never met any "nice communists" as far as I'm concerned, anyone who identifies as a Marxist, is as low and venal as Nazis
biggwhytey
Have you ever met a communist at all? Or even read Das Kapital or any other writings by Marx?
snowman520182
I've read. The Communist Manifesto. It's flat out wrong. Have you read The Gulag Archipelago?
DeadlyFood
I mean, thats not very nice of you yourself. Got some pent up anger from the cold war or something?
snowman520182
I'm sorry. How am I the asshole for being against a deadly political system, and the people that still support it?