Hopefully, I've known 2 people with tattoos like this. They both got them when they were young and stupid and didn't understand who it was keeping them down and now really regret them. They went for this rather than something less obvious as a way to invite conversation.
Why not just get it removed or covered up (with an actual new design) instead of leaving it in it's obvious half-assed state where you can still tell what it was. Like, is it just about the money and being able to afford laser removal or a non-shitty cover up?
Did you not read my comment? I clearly said it was a way to invite conversation. Meaning they want to talk to others about the mistakes they made, both to hopefully prevent others going that route and to show people that change is possible.
And, if we want to make the world better and kinder, there are good reasons some people make this change.
Certainly some do it to hide their bigotry, but others are trying to move past the anger and ignorance of their past, and that should always be encouraged.
"I no longer want to be associated with you, but let me make it obvious that you're too embarassing for me to be associated with so that you'll still think well of me."
Yeah, but crossing out a symbol is different from wearing an obscure one.
It needs to be secret to be secret, and that's . . . just so obviously a covered swastika. There's nothing else that can be. It's not a riddle from the sphynx. Even if it's not a covered swastika and he just really likes Minecraft trapdoors, that's a covered swastika to anybody who looks.
Seems like this one was less about covering it up because he changed his views and more about covering it up because he didn't want to be judged or accosted whenever he took his shirt off.. But wanted to leave something that would be recognizable to those "in the know" (a dog whistle).
Yeah I kind of respect this man for presumably being able to improve himself and correct his past mistake. I could be wrong of course and he could still be a dingus, but I don't know him and I choose optimism until I am proven wrong.
Exactly, it's forgive and forget, you dont have to forget but if someone is willing to put in the work, we on the otherside do as well. It's not a 505/50 thing but sometimes people make mistakes and they will go back if they dont have anyone on the otherside supporting them.
Trying to save one's own ass does not excuse siding with people doing/supporting evil things.
I have suffered unimaginable harm in my life, partly because so many people around me chose to side with my abusers to avoid drawing their ire. It takes a hell of a lot more than covering up tattoos and pretending they never sided evil people to make up for the harm they've done.
Now imagine you go back to the height of your abuse. I promise you prison can be worse than what you experienced. I know this because you are still alive. Would you have agreed to hang out with some Nazis and get a Nazi tattoo if it meant all of that abuse would stop immediately?
I’m sorry to hear you suffered, but please note everyone’s suffering and tolerance to suffering is different. As well as their coping mechanisms and what keeps them safe. If someone told me they were going to rape me if I didn’t get a swastika tattoo, I’d get it. That doesn’t mean I support nazi bullshit, I’ve never understood it in the first place (ffs we’re human race, what, ugh, I’m too autistic for bullshit racism)
We have a saying in the disabled community that is also applicable here: Your diagnosis EXPLAINS your actions, it doesn't excuse them.
That means being in a shitty situation doesn't give a person a free pass to mistreat or abuse others. They still have to own up to their actions and accept responsibility.
People should not be downvoting this one, this *is* in fact a thing said within the disability community. Was one of the most important lessons/self-biases as a non-disabled person I had to learn from family who was disabled.
Or they are still committed but want to be stealthy. Seriously, a lot of people get natsee tats removed or covered not because their idiologies changed, they just want to be able to infiltrate spaces that hate them .
Sometimes you can, and sometimes you can’t. It’s all at the whim of the moderator. Which is why people hesitate to just speak their mind. And of course the idiots who say, “farging ice hole”. They all piss me off and make so gosh darn angry……
Realistically, a lot of people will meander in and out of extreme ideologies because it's largely an emotional relationship, and if they feel hurt or betrayed they just leave for nicer spaces which often means more progressive ones. But they're not performing a secret infiltration. They're slinking in and keeping their heads down for a bit so they don't get kicked out. If you just do actually kick them out when they get dickish it's not a problem.
You got evidence that is a known signal to other Nazis, or are you jumping to a conclusion based on criteria you've just made up in your head? It's not like people don't look at big black squares and wonder what shitty thing is being covered up. Especially if it's accompanied by a bunch of other shitty prison-stye tats like that.
It's probably based on the fact that any tattoo artist can make a vast number of cover up suggestions that fully obscure the initial design. In fact this design here is probably the best way to do it if you wanted people to know what it was.
Covering up thick, straight black lines is actually really hard, and tatoo artists don't work for free. The idea that if you can decode an old hate tattoo than a person is absolutely still in that life is an absurd standard. It takes money to erase a tattoo completely, and even then people fucking remember that shit. The Windows logo cover up is neither a dogwhistle or a mark of a changed man. It just means this dude didn't want a swastika on his chest anymore.
Not that hard, there are much larger tattoo examples of cover ups with equally bold lines. The notion that he has no money for tattoo cover up when he already has many tattoos and and he already paid for a cover up is quite silly. It doesn't mean he doesn't want it, as others already said, as a fighter without a shirt in front of cameras he was probably pressured into it. Someone who has truly a mindset of not wanting this would do anything to hide it better, he didn't even try, hence this post
This statement displays an incredible ignorance of the human mind in general, and a complete lack of understanding in how nazis come to be in reality. It's like you've decided to wave a flag that says, "look at me, I am proudly ignorant of the world around me!"
if we can't grow as people then what the hell is the point of life, anyway? Doesn't excuse you from accountability for any harm you may have caused but otherwise people should be able to grow and change.
*does not apply if they didn't know what they were doing/saying is wrong.
I knew a dude that was racist as hell until he was 12 because no one explained to him about empathy and consequences of his actions. We got in depth of the consequences of slavery and he ran to the bathroom crying. It took the teacher all day to calm him down. He eventually moved back in with his dad and went no contact with the mom and her family after he turned 18
Yes, but conflating a child who only knows what his or her parents know to am adult that has seen and experienced the world and able to form their own opinions are not the same. If you meet a racist in their mid 20s covered in racist tattoos you can be moderately certain they have at least encountered a different viewpoint that could change their mind. And that they chose to continue their hatred.
Elonth
Hilariously relevant joke. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6-XeyNMCJw
iamlegendinjapan
Japanese 田 for rice patty
CheeseCoffeeChests
Would fit with the dragon
huey9k
wrennsteven61101
This is why we need to go all Aldo on these maga and carve it into their foreheads
fromages
https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1YjZ1eWhndzJseXZncHQ1Zmd1Mm85ZjhwaWRmdDBzbHl2ZHh0Z2M5ciZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/l41YcLtmnhYyUlbfq/200w.webp
cyclone0619
Yes that's what I saw all. I think we need to take our ibuprofen. https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1anZ5aGFyNXY0bDJuejgwN3Zxb2F4c3NmMmN0NXYwN3dhMHJhOHVkMyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/13V60VgE2ED7oc/200w.webp
00110001001110010011100000110100
"I want two of them in the same place. that will show them!"
4etherling
That is what a Trumper would think lol. +1
00110001001110010011100000110100
I hate that I have to mark my sarcasm.
JoeMalmsteen
That's not a Minecraft Trapdoor, that's a greyscale rendition of the Microsoft Windows logo
0Steve0
Hopefully he's actually changed. No sympathy for Nazis, but I can appreciate people walking away from it and changing for the better.
AllTheGoodUserNamesAreTakenFML
Sign that he evolved into a better mindset?
morrighan42
Hopefully, I've known 2 people with tattoos like this. They both got them when they were young and stupid and didn't understand who it was keeping them down and now really regret them. They went for this rather than something less obvious as a way to invite conversation.
mjperk
Why not just get it removed or covered up (with an actual new design) instead of leaving it in it's obvious half-assed state where you can still tell what it was. Like, is it just about the money and being able to afford laser removal or a non-shitty cover up?
morrighan42
Did you not read my comment? I clearly said it was a way to invite conversation. Meaning they want to talk to others about the mistakes they made, both to hopefully prevent others going that route and to show people that change is possible.
scottgarland12
Why does he have a tat of a carb spacer?
chefsoda
And, if we want to make the world better and kinder, there are good reasons some people make this change.
Certainly some do it to hide their bigotry, but others are trying to move past the anger and ignorance of their past, and that should always be encouraged.
johnvilnis
Hey if we make it look like a window, they won’t see that it is a swastika
lonelyrangerofthedreams
The tattoo master is as smart as him…
HelpTheWretched
Still better hidden than these morons
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
Is it covered up because he rejects what he believed? Or because he doesn't want people to judge him for what he still believes?
CheeseCoffeeChests
Ask the dragon
epicfail48
Either way if theyre smart enough to feel some level of shame, theres hope of rehabilitation
BishlamekGurpgork
I think if it was a fear of rejection it wouldn't be so obvious. This looks like a statement of rejection.
ripstripsart
More likely a stupid ass half measure so all his nazi friends know he’s still one of them.
BishlamekGurpgork
"I no longer want to be associated with you, but let me make it obvious that you're too embarassing for me to be associated with so that you'll still think well of me."
/doubt
ripstripsart
He’s still associated. Secret symbols for conspiracies are as old as conspiracies.
BishlamekGurpgork
Yeah, but crossing out a symbol is different from wearing an obscure one.
It needs to be secret to be secret, and that's . . . just so obviously a covered swastika. There's nothing else that can be. It's not a riddle from the sphynx. Even if it's not a covered swastika and he just really likes Minecraft trapdoors, that's a covered swastika to anybody who looks.
ChadMaxxington
Maybe he just changed.
LordHosk
so they learned
ripstripsart
Doubtful
PunnyTiger
dude loves low rez chex
StarLeagueRecruit
"Everyone except us will hate you on sight" is a control tactic cults use to turn the lonely into the evil. Exercise caution, but remember that.
OnyxTurret
Dude, put in the
LO
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WackyWavingInflatableArmFlailingTubman
Nah it was gonna be a maze
raitchison
Seems like this one was less about covering it up because he changed his views and more about covering it up because he didn't want to be judged or accosted whenever he took his shirt off.. But wanted to leave something that would be recognizable to those "in the know" (a dog whistle).
TacoPoweredHelicopter
People change. . I don't know him but I will assume he covered it up.
DirigibleOtter
The man appears to be a cage fighter. Getting accosted when he takes his shirt off is his day job.
I don't think it's wise to leave people with no off-ramp from extremism.
ripstripsart
People don’t change in significant ways like that. It’s a nazi dog whistle.
flamingflamingo
Yeah I kind of respect this man for presumably being able to improve himself and correct his past mistake. I could be wrong of course and he could still be a dingus, but I don't know him and I choose optimism until I am proven wrong.
IncognitoEnthusiast
Exactly, it's forgive and forget, you dont have to forget but if someone is willing to put in the work, we on the otherside do as well. It's not a 505/50 thing but sometimes people make mistakes and they will go back if they dont have anyone on the otherside supporting them.
Grimlinnan
carve it into their forehead
Drew442
No opinions on the giant scar going down the middle of his chest
circlebreaker
Stab/slash wound maybe? Too far left for heart surgery I think.
BishlamekGurpgork
Lots of organs and arteries and veins back there to do surgery on. It just looks so straight.
BishlamekGurpgork
Honestly? Looks too straight and neat to be anything but surgical.
HelpTheWretched
Or the bullet wound on his handgun tattoo
GrandChampion
Orange is the new black made it a “window”
redtails2649
Time to punch
grungut
dude would beat the shit out of you if you tried, he's literally wearing boxing gloves
Nim449
my steel club beats his gloves.
grungut
enjoy catching an assault charge, if you even manage to actually hit him before he knocks your lights out
JergenHealing
Dont be so quick to action. You just said to punch a guy that fights for a living lol
ps238principal
They should at least color the interior squares and claim to be big fans of Windows OS's.
DragonThunderUndertaking
From one horrible position to another huh
beefsteak73
I think they're going for *less* offensive, not... y'know
j4gr
Chef’s kiss.
Elonth
Hilarioulsy releveant video on this very subject from years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6-XeyNMCJw
Meklorinon
Ha ha ha!
Rockafella83
See that’s too bad, I like knowing who I’m dealing with..
If he’s really out of it my take you have been to laser remove that shit and make something else entirely on top but might be too expansive idk https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTZjMDliOTUyc2pibmVxNWIxYzdvcXRqank0Yzh1Yndnc2k3a24waGNycjR2cTZjciZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/iCZv6bWkGL3AsSsXp2/giphy.webp
CeoHuntingSeason
GeneralPrower
Nobody wants to be associated with Microslop.
bluetoaster42
I did that to graffiti once
RalphH
I am not a 'microsoft man' but if I was, I would be a VISTA dude, if you know what I mean.
onecowboytoo
WTF? That's nasty.
imnotinthewitnessprotectionprogram
What did you say about ME????
YOURFRIEND2010
Lotta people in federal penitentiaries get these as a survival method. At least covering it up shows they are not committed to the ideology.
RacecarIsRacecarBackwards
Or they want to be able to appear topless on TV.
SquirrelWithATophat
Trying to save one's own ass does not excuse siding with people doing/supporting evil things.
I have suffered unimaginable harm in my life, partly because so many people around me chose to side with my abusers to avoid drawing their ire. It takes a hell of a lot more than covering up tattoos and pretending they never sided evil people to make up for the harm they've done.
2074red2074
Now imagine you go back to the height of your abuse. I promise you prison can be worse than what you experienced. I know this because you are still alive. Would you have agreed to hang out with some Nazis and get a Nazi tattoo if it meant all of that abuse would stop immediately?
Mantarayfish
I’m sorry to hear you suffered, but please note everyone’s suffering and tolerance to suffering is different. As well as their coping mechanisms and what keeps them safe. If someone told me they were going to rape me if I didn’t get a swastika tattoo, I’d get it. That doesn’t mean I support nazi bullshit, I’ve never understood it in the first place (ffs we’re human race, what, ugh, I’m too autistic for bullshit racism)
SquirrelWithATophat
We have a saying in the disabled community that is also applicable here: Your diagnosis EXPLAINS your actions, it doesn't excuse them.
That means being in a shitty situation doesn't give a person a free pass to mistreat or abuse others. They still have to own up to their actions and accept responsibility.
Nanoline
People should not be downvoting this one, this *is* in fact a thing said within the disability community. Was one of the most important lessons/self-biases as a non-disabled person I had to learn from family who was disabled.
PolitiCat
The right way is to cut it out of your skin.
doctorbocker
I wouldn't have thought Minecraft was that popular in prison.
choppedliveraldente
Maybe butt craft
noWhiteHorseHereJustBatturuPrinsu
I learned from the Shawshank Redemption that digging tunnels is really popular there
wejustdontknow
Or they are still committed but want to be stealthy. Seriously, a lot of people get natsee tats removed or covered not because their idiologies changed, they just want to be able to infiltrate spaces that hate them .
TexMexHex
UFC? okeedokee.
TheMoonBnuuy
Are you suggesting the UFC is the only place this guy exists currently?
TexMexHex
Nope.
TheMoonBnuuy
Then your comment makes no sense in context.
Someshithead241
Someone trying to open their world and change their mind is "being stealthy and infiltrating."
Jamesstin
you have to earn certain tattoos. So showing up to prison with certain ones can anger stupid ass gang politics
ChelVanin
Those committed to the ideology don’t usually become stealthier over time. It’s the opposite.
Dimension09
Why did you spell Nazi that way?
charondaboatman
It’s a shame that it’s necessary to intentionally misspell the word in order to avoid the hypersensitivity of current moderation ignorance.
Metallica93
But... it's not. You can say "Nazi" just fine. Don't conflate non-existent Imgur rules for that person's own pointless self-censorship.
charondaboatman
Sometimes you can, and sometimes you can’t. It’s all at the whim of the moderator. Which is why people hesitate to just speak their mind. And of course the idiots who say, “farging ice hole”. They all piss me off and make so gosh darn angry……
Metallica93
I assume you know these "a lot of people" personally? Because without a source, this is just talking out of your ass for no reason.
scrumbles666
Realistically, a lot of people will meander in and out of extreme ideologies because it's largely an emotional relationship, and if they feel hurt or betrayed they just leave for nicer spaces which often means more progressive ones. But they're not performing a secret infiltration. They're slinking in and keeping their heads down for a bit so they don't get kicked out. If you just do actually kick them out when they get dickish it's not a problem.
RalphH
No, if they were not committed anymore they would have made it unrecognizable. This is a 100db dog whistle.
jonnnney
Do you want them to be a NAZI?
LoudBirb
I think he wants them to actually stop instead of pretending to.
jonnnney
Well then he should encourage them to stop. Turn the pretending into actualizing.
scrumbles666
You got evidence that is a known signal to other Nazis, or are you jumping to a conclusion based on criteria you've just made up in your head? It's not like people don't look at big black squares and wonder what shitty thing is being covered up. Especially if it's accompanied by a bunch of other shitty prison-stye tats like that.
VagrantKoba
Most likely in this case, they got it done because they wouldn't be able to compete otherwise.
Jinxer13
It's probably based on the fact that any tattoo artist can make a vast number of cover up suggestions that fully obscure the initial design. In fact this design here is probably the best way to do it if you wanted people to know what it was.
scrumbles666
Covering up thick, straight black lines is actually really hard, and tatoo artists don't work for free. The idea that if you can decode an old hate tattoo than a person is absolutely still in that life is an absurd standard. It takes money to erase a tattoo completely, and even then people fucking remember that shit. The Windows logo cover up is neither a dogwhistle or a mark of a changed man. It just means this dude didn't want a swastika on his chest anymore.
Jinxer13
Not that hard, there are much larger tattoo examples of cover ups with equally bold lines. The notion that he has no money for tattoo cover up when he already has many tattoos and and he already paid for a cover up is quite silly. It doesn't mean he doesn't want it, as others already said, as a fighter without a shirt in front of cameras he was probably pressured into it. Someone who has truly a mindset of not wanting this would do anything to hide it better, he didn't even try, hence this post
rfleming1080
Once a Nazi, always a Nazi.
ripstripsart
Agreed. They’re an invasive species choking the forest. Only answer is removing all of them. No exceptions, no forgiveness.
JergenHealing
Peoples ideologies, reasoning and thinking can change over time lol.
Margrave9000
Not sure why you got downvoted. Nazis get no second chances.
eathotdog
How very unprogressive of you
freshthrowaway1138
This statement displays an incredible ignorance of the human mind in general, and a complete lack of understanding in how nazis come to be in reality. It's like you've decided to wave a flag that says, "look at me, I am proudly ignorant of the world around me!"
bikergeek6249
if we can't grow as people then what the hell is the point of life, anyway? Doesn't excuse you from accountability for any harm you may have caused but otherwise people should be able to grow and change.
ripstripsart
Nazis don’t. Nazis can’t.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Also if you don't give people a way out that isn't death, that just enforces their sunk cost fallacy.
JaceTiger
*does not apply if they didn't know what they were doing/saying is wrong.
I knew a dude that was racist as hell until he was 12 because no one explained to him about empathy and consequences of his actions. We got in depth of the consequences of slavery and he ran to the bathroom crying. It took the teacher all day to calm him down. He eventually moved back in with his dad and went no contact with the mom and her family after he turned 18
ProbablyCrazier
Equating a child to a racist adult are not equals.
JergenHealing
What if he was raised around racists and Nazis but realized the ideology was wrong and changed. That was the main point.
StewedTomaters
What if?
ProbablyCrazier
Yes, but conflating a child who only knows what his or her parents know to am adult that has seen and experienced the world and able to form their own opinions are not the same. If you meet a racist in their mid 20s covered in racist tattoos you can be moderately certain they have at least encountered a different viewpoint that could change their mind. And that they chose to continue their hatred.