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Mar 23, 2026 3:47 AM
kendottack
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Hard to argue.
UncleRat
And we helped. A lot.
ToweringLilly
JFC please stop using "Jews" (the people the tweet is referencing) instead of "Israel".
zanli
"They make a devastation and call it peace." - Publius Cornelius Tacitus.
ATLandNerdy
It's super easy, barely an inconvenience. You just dehumanize your opponent. Then it's not genocide, it's pest extermination. The Nazis did it, The Israelis did it, The Rwandans did it, The Croatians did it, now Trump and his evil cadre are doing it. It's not difficult, it's just evil.
DrKonrad
That's the neat part about religious people: they can commit the worst atrocities, but as long as they believe that their sky daddy will welcome them to heaven they believe they are perfectly righteous.
Dolenmorgul
If they are his chosen children it is high time to ditch god all together, what has he ever done anyway?
OmenJones
If your mythological dad loans you his car and you trash it, what do you think's going to happen?
RigidGristle
willpostanything
which god?
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
That ↑ is exactly what Yahweh's chosen people are doing in the bible. I remember hearing the fairy tale of Jericho as a kid. The nomadic Hebrews arrive in Canaan (part of the allegedly promised land) and there's a city. They could just leave it alone, find an empty valley in this land of plenty, settle there and get along with their neighbors. But nope, Yahweh says "I'll make the walls crumble and you steal their shit". Paraphrased, but he really does tell them to steal "all the silver and gold…
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
and the articles of bronze and iron". A week-long siege ensues b/c omnipotent Yahweh needs time to weaken the city walls. When they finally storm the city that hadn't done anything to them, they, quote: "destroyed with the sword every living thing in it—men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys". Then "they burned the whole city and everything in it". And little kid me sat in church wondering how they & this god were possibly the good guys, and why no one else ever questioned this.
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
When I finally sat down and read the entire book before deciding to deconvert at age 14, I found a lot more wanton destruction and genocide. Entire Native tribes wiped out, like the Midianites. Numerous other cities razed and burned. Like Ai, which was turned into a "heap of ruins". Exactly like the above picture. It's an awfully familiar theme, this promised land that is already settled by other cultures and the lack of goodwill to get along with them.
baals
You guys know this won't end good at all. Israel won't stop, they will keep going and killing because that's what they do untill the are stopped. They will destroy the planet unless someone stops them. Fucking nukes man. That earthquake btw down by Antarctica, not much news about the eh?
Flareside
This god mythology is getting ridiculous
mycatsings
MeatSweat
there's plenty to criticize israel and its government about, but this is conflating israel's actions to all of judaism, which is what actual dipshit antisemites went
medimr
Their god is a genocidal monster. That fruit is delicious to it.
RunningInSpaces
All three believe in the same god - Jews, Christians, and Muslims. All three have twins that hate each other, the world would be a better place with less religious people.
awkungen42
Lol, exactly. People act like their made up fanfic main character isn't a genocidal monster. How did we ever read the shit they put out and let them believe they were good people? Their doctrine is so violent and hateful outside of a few books. And their actions in history point towards them being even worse than their shitty doctrine. Crazy.
VaxxedCanadian
The God that does worse when he gets a little not happy?
Someshithead241
That god that routinely genocides, punishes humanity for what he did and could have prevented, tells you to own slaves and how to properly beat those slaves, tells you to stone and murder people.
According to the Bible, this is what you're supposed to do with unbelievers. Religion is a fucking plague of "im right, your wrong, you deserve to die"
ispendtomuchtimehere
reap what you sow
YouRadicalizedMe
Scum of the earth the Israelis are. Because of their actions
BeckyLookAtHerButt
Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind
MCpeepantz
Fron a sow, you say.. https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1bm1hYmM2NGhlMTRxdXo4NW1kOHBiMXUyNGN0ZXd5bm4zdGJ2OTRlZCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/fSD3yT23GL0SPqEIqF/200w.webp
TapiocaMartini
If you read the bible you'll realize this is all pretty much on par with the old testament. Old God was all about absolute destruction. There is no new testament in the Torah.
Solstik
I don't support the war crimes of Israel, but I feel like there is a real tendency here at imgur toward straight forward antisemitism. Left wing anti-nationalist here, but I am worried.
brightlightbarking
I've seen a lot of Jewish people condemning Israel and zionism. There's a clear separation between "Israel is using the old testament to justify their vicious depravity" and "Jewish people are evil", and the bulk of what i have seen on Imgur is the former. The latter gets downvoted. People are simply not tolerating the idea that Israel can hide behind the Holocaust and being God's Favorite People to slaughter, rape, starve, burn and mutilate people with pride.
Solstik
I see a massive focus on Israel with the weirdest interpretations of jewish life that would be counted as islamophobic if someone said these things about the Islam.
brightlightbarking
I'm sure phobic material would be phobic if it were applied to any sort of person that exists, that's beside the point. I'm not saying "this isn't antisemitic because Israel sucks", I'm saying that there's a difference between saying "Israel is proudly committing genocide" and antisemitism. I've seen the former get upvoted, and the latter downvoted. If you're seeing something different, maybe some examples would better support your point.
kaliedoscopicfrenzy
I saw a banner ad today, "Israel is struggling..." And it wanted me to donate...to the murders. Um, no thanks
Eyeetsass
These are undeniably the deeds of Israel, and their hands will never come clean.
clonedeeznuts
Mythical sky being chose Zionists? Lol
MeatSweat
this is bot-ass antisemitism.
GreenMnM
Religion involved with anything else creates issues.
Religion and politics = God wants me to do this
Religion and governance = God told me theyre not human
Religion and military = God told me to kill them
Religion and family = God told me shes only useful as a cooking incubator
Religion and society= God says these rules are for you
Dont get me wrong, Religion can be a powerful tool for good when applied to one's own life and direction
The second your Religion says that others must believe or ¹
GreenMnM
² Die, then it, like anything else, is twisted for the purpose of evil men who know better but just dont give a shit.
We need religion to be ousted from every facet of government, every facet of society. Practice whatever you want, believe, enjoy it. But keep it to yourself and your group.
No more eye for an eye, its time for keep it to yourself. No one asked for your opinion on why theyre going to hell.
SerialChickenLover
This would imply that God is an evil bastard
Butterupmybuttcheeks
God's chosen is just master race with a fucking religious robe on. Same empty bullshit premise.
doyouhavetacobell
You can/should be against what Israel has done, but this post antisemitic. It sucks to see shit like this make the front page
arewenotkingsandqueenstogether
Agreed
WebMaka
Jesus covered that "God's chosen people" part in Matthew 23:38 when he declared Israel's "house" was being abandoned to them and left desolate. That signified the end of Israel's status in God's eyes, and the siege and destruction of Jerusalem (and most notably the temple) in 66CE was the final nail in that coffin. Modern Israel holds no significance in terms of scripture and is just another secular nation.
trigonman3
I don't think Israel is a member of that book club.
WebMaka
No, but America very much is, or at least claims to be...
ClutterMonkey
Matthew 7:16, New Testament. That means they don’t believe it. Followers of Judaism are Old Testament and Torah. They refuse to believe Jesus was their messiah. They are still waiting for a warrior king type.
LukeBeGod
They refused him bc he didn't fulfill any prophecy. Not a single one
LostChats
Born in the city of David? Related to David. I’m sure there were some prophecies fulfilled. They refused him bc he insulted them and challenged their beliefs. I think. I don’t know.
MrsHowVeryDareYou
“Refuse to believe”? https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTY1YjkxZmJlNW52bXBlZ3Rubzh0Mmpybm43c3lvbWMwdmJ6MDcxanhxdng5ZTF4ZSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/nTfdeBvfgzV26zjoFP/giphy.mp4
BilltheCatisBack
The NT indicates that Jesus and OT YHWH are the same god. One was a manifestation as the son of himself in the NT. it’s all confusing.
arewenotkingsandqueenstogether
Careful. Jews are not responsible for the destruction of Gaza, in fact many are horrified by it. Stay precise in directing your anger.
ClutterMonkey
None of it is anger. Just making the statement that applying religious texts that another party does not believe to judge that party is weird.
thetonestarr
Missing the point. They're addressing the Christians who believe the modern state is Israel is of God.
ClutterMonkey
Not missing the point “know them by their fruits” is Matthew 7:16. How am I missing the point if I am commenting on the verse the post provided? They do not follow that text. That would be like forcing Canada to adhere to the Constitution of Portugal, judging a Muslim by the Book of Mormon, or expecting Catholic clergy not to abuse children.
thetonestarr
Once again, right over your head.
That verse is warning CHRIST'S followers against false servants.
Conservatives think that helping the Zionist state is serving God.
As such, your argument actually supports the point of the post rather than refuting it, because by conservative theology, there's no way those people can be producing good fruit.
As such, the verse is VERY applicable.
cchappaguri
It's not about what the others believe though. It's instruction Christians that false teachers are known by their fruits. False teachers can come from ANY faith background.
cchappaguri
*instructing
WebMaka
Ancient Israel wanted a warrior king to throw off Rome's yoke but what they got was a spiritual leader coming to usher in a new covenant, so they rejected him because what God sent wasn't what the humans wanted at the time. They completely missed the point about what the messiah was even for.
Ristari
But didn't God know they would react that way? So wasn't it correct for them to reject him, else that whole sacrifice would never have happened?
NozzleBozzle
Nope. there were loads of similar dying/rising saviour cults in the Roman empire at the time, as the urbanized Roman culture merged with cultures on the fringes of the empire. Jesus is just the hebrew version. Christianity's extremely peaceful message helped it to be one of the survivors as it was not seen as a serious threat to the empire (at first)
SavageDrums
I'm Brian, and so is my wife!
WebMaka
There were indeed, but (1) Israelites knew a messiah was coming and roughly what the time frame was, and (2) Jesus arrived exactly when said messiah was coming and fit the description (e.g., specific family lineage).
NozzleBozzle
Well, that's convenient!
Is it not more likely this was all retconned? The family lineage iirc is different in Luke and Matthew (who both wrote waaay after Mark, who based his stories on letters from Paul, who never even mentions Jesus walking around like a real bloke)
WebMaka
Retconned? Likely not, actually, as nobody ever raised concerns about whether Jesus had the lineage to be messiah but instead caused some of the folks from his same hometown to ask about how he was messiah-mode, e.g., "wait, isn't this Joseph's son? his brothers and sisters live here, right?", because of the whole "familiarity breeds contempt" slash "a prophet is never well-received in his home town" thing.
MrAcurite
"Jews should worship Jesus because he fit the description of the Moschiach in the Tanakh", based on the sources written by Jesus' disciples' followers' followers many years after they all died, does not meet the standards of evidence required under Judaism. We're not big on revelation, we vastly prefer the written Torah. According to Halakha, if the LORD comes down and tells you something verbally and with miracles which contradicts Rabbinic communal opinion based on the Tanakh, it is to be /1
MrAcurite
disregarded, on the basis that it also contradicts the Talmud, given by the LORD, which expressly said that He wouldn't do that. It would be like James Madison coming back from the dead, and claiming the Second Amendment is actually about the Right to the Arms of Bears. That's not anything. That wouldn't be admissible in court. The fact that any Johnny-come-latter-day can claim divine revelation and cause a schism leading to an eight figure death toll is not what I'd consider a positive. /2
rubypilgrim
Be careful not to label all by the actions of some (for whom I make no excuses.) That's like blaming all Americans for Trump.
paintbullits
"Like blaming all Americans. for trump"..... As a trans woman living in what the bastard has called the 51st state, I'm starting to do exactly that
VaardArk
I blame 23% of them lol
pnersvfu
Only 23%? I'd water that's a lot more considering a lot of people abstained from voting. And yes, for this one I do blame the non-voters as well: could have simply called in sick to work to vote. This assumes a sick day is at least partially or fully reimbursed like a first world country, or ya know... Don't chance hard won freedoms on the whims of the average voter if an extra vote could and would have likely mattered.
rubypilgrim
yes - 79 million of voted for trump, 75 million for Harris after a 3.5 month campaign, and 88 million did not vote at all. The last landslide we had was for Obama.
Blimjoe
And why shouldn't we?. There is a great collectivism with USA that when it's something positive it's " yeah WE are so amazing, look how good WE are" but when it's something negative it's " oh no no, it's not all of US, THEY are not representative of the country" Trump is just the logical conclusion of the way their society is set up. It's exhausting. Suffer the consequences and shut the fuck up. You are just finally having America do to America what America does to others around the world
NickRivieraMD
Because the 'chosen people' is Jews, and this is Israel.
BoobJiggle
Trump is a symptom of our fucked right-wing capitalistic society and our obsession with patriotism and religion at the expense of education, he's not the cause of it.. though he is certainly working to further the corrupt fascist/oligarchical system as best he can.
rubypilgrim
I can assure you, that's the same crowd both times. It's the poison of exceptionalism. The irrational assumption that because we did one thing good it obliterates all the bad things. The assumption that Americans are just like that ignores the heavy indoctrination and propaganda assaults going on here.
ArchaeoEejit
"yeah, we all do it but it's not our fault"
Blimjoe
Then the shit they say when they visit your country that no tourist from any other place would ever feel comfortable saying to your face: "your country is not as good as my country, in fact it's pretty shit compared to where I'm from but you are too ignorant to even realise how shit you have it compared to where I'm from, your food sucks because it's such tiny portions, I can't get *specific brand name* here because your country is SOOO shit". Not LOVE for these things, SCORN for not having them
CurvyCountess
That sounds like you've had bad personal experiences with individuals and are now blanketing an entire group of people with judgements from that experience.
Thats called a bias.
rubypilgrim
I can't parse that because you're not clear who is saying what - but I have no problem being the first to say the US is no longer a first world country. We did many exceptional things, which deserve admiration not because they were done by Americans but because they were done. And likewise, the bad things we've done, for the very same reasons. The moon shot doesn't give a pass for MyLai or Trump.
LivingInChaos
That right there is pigeon-holing all Americans into one archetype. I’m an American, have visited many countries, and I have NEVER once disrespected their country and more so NEVER insulted it conversation with someone. Diversity is what makes up the world, and everyone is different, people need to love that about the world