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Treblaine
ArchangelZeriel
Wars fans don't hate 6/9 of their movies. A tiny minority of purist grognards, maybe. Most folks like 'em all, judging by the box office
ArchangelZeriel
and toy sales, regardless of what a tiny minority thinks.
ChefHannibal
only star trek fans think star wars fans really give a shit.
TheHorseShesElbowDeepIn
Idontneedrealfacts
Yeah, us Babylon 5 fans only hate 1 season and a spinoff.... (actually I liked Crusade, but a lot of people didnt)
Sheldonian
I've enjoyed some of the moments in Star Wars movies including the 1-3 episodes and the new trilogy, but tbh I prefer the Star Trek universe
IrateWolfe
This is about how I feel- I have enjoyed every entry in both franchises to some extent, but Dtar Trek just feels more relevant to me
Harsamina
They're beloved for different reasons.
Homietwelve
Trek fans haven't liked anything since ds9.
ChernoGamma
Trek fans DID vote a non-franchise movie as the 5th best Trek movie (Galaxy Quest)
LGHTbeatz
Shrek is life
madjo
Kbantar
So funny that she had such an explosively beautiful smile that only appeared in the show a couple times.
coothlesscthulhu
madjo
coothlesscthulhu
Naramumu
I like both, but I'm a sucker for extra planetary sci-fi. Expanse and Foundation are also good.
IliveIdyeIliveagain
eXoRainbow
agburanar
I actually liked Episode III and VII, and I loved Solo and Rogue One, so I'm more a 7 out of 11 fan. And Trek 2,3,4 and 6 were pretty good.
notmyrealface
Neither do Star Wars fans. The one's who hate it are just children who get mad if things don't go their way.
PartialMentalcost
Haven't seen a good Star Trek movie yet.
SinisterSifu
coothlesscthulhu
userfriendly19777
I have The Expanse and first season of Altered Carbon to fan about. Not movies but still.
Grenateh
Real fans don’t hate the prequels
Idontneedrealfacts
No true Scotsman! Fallacy
BrassVicugnaPacos
I like both, Star Wars and Star Trek. Both have a different focus how to tell a story, never understand why people compare them.
Idontneedrealfacts
Same reason some people get butthole deep in politics, or local sports. They like to affiliate with a team
BonIvermectin
Well how many Star Trek series are there again? We've had like 10 or 11? TOS, TNG, and DS9 are really good. Aaaaaaaand the rest is arguable.
Starhaven350
Enterprise had its moments they started to find their feet when they got canned. All this new stuff though... yuck
BonIvermectin
Remember. Trekkies are as contentious a crowd as my fellow prequel memers.
VanZaiden
tbh some of my favorite Star Wars things are the games
BeerandCats
Watch what you like, don't belittle others for doing the sams
Kbantar
Unless it's 50 Shades' fans. Slam those loonies at every opportunity. ;)
stauffalopagus
Do as many sams as you want!
BeerandCats
All the Sams, unisex name means everyone can have fun ;-)
FoxGodRecords
Seeing as this is your first day on the Internet, let me welcome you to the information superhighway. ?
discotheque42
Yeah, only every other one. https://screenrant.com/star-trek-movies-odd-number-curse-explained/
JustANerdInTheWorld
Except there’s never really been real hatred for 3. I’d argue it’s better than 6.
discotheque42
Not hatred, it was just kinda boring, and started the trend of blowing up the Enterprise every few movies
JustANerdInTheWorld
Yeah, although it’s probably the only one where I thought blowing up the Enterprise was actually justified and not just lazy writing.
JustANerdInTheWorld
It’s just funny that the whole thing started with 5: “That was awful. So was 1. 3 wasn’t great, so ODD NUMBER CURSE!!!”
BobbieNell
Search for Spock was my favorite as a kid.something about stealing the Enterprise, I think.
alpacasaurusrex
The only one I genuinely hated was the one with VGer. Otherwise, I like them all. Sure whales in the ship was a bit silly, but I liked large
alpacasaurusrex
swaths of the movie otherwise.
MattMcC980
No one hates Star Wars more then Star Wars "fans"
TakeYouAway
That's cause the actual movies are not good, it's the WORLD that he created that people enjoy, kinda like Harry Potter books
JayEnfield
"Hey guys, check it out! Our franchise has a movie SO BAD that we consider it a badge of honour to have the endurance to actually watch it."
irvingb01
And no one hates Star Wars fans more than George Lucas. At least before he sold it off anyway.
Cavalrysword
StarGate. More science & more scientists. You need science in science fiction.
Frazmatazz
StarGate is science is "science" lmao. Star Wars is straight up wizards fighting with magic swords. Star Trek is allegory. I like all of em
ChelVanin
Also, the most hated part of the franchise isn’t an episode or a movie. It’s the cancellations.
seitanicverses
Still waiting for the conclusion of Universe.
Cavalrysword
Ditto.
coothlesscthulhu
noonenooner
Incorrect science isn't science though.
coothlesscthulhu
Newlife5454
90% of all past incorrect science used to be correct science. So no.
noonenooner
Alright. Can you show me where wormholes and time travel used to be correct science?
Kbantar
If FTL exists, then time travel does to. There are ways to wiggle relativity math to allow them. So fanciful/theoretical, but still science.
noonenooner
I've never heard anything that would allow FTL.
HollyRex
Can you show me where it won’t be correct science in the future???????
noonenooner
ChelVanin
We all know what the superior Star Blank franchise is:
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ItsCaptain0bvious
My favourite _Star_ movie is this one https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2302857/
AtomicSpatula
Facts.
NeverDownvoteMelBrooks
DustyMcKnuckles
HollyRex
Indeed.
xyrax
RideTheStimutacs
Does Alien count? It was originally called Star Beast.
TheWayThatIsKownIsNotTheWay
them: Starwars or startrek? . Me: Stargate! "Hallowed are the Ori!"
MyBigMouth
Star The Expanse?
TiptronicS
For sure ?
VanillaJester
tzen003
Indeed.
coothlesscthulhu
Misterdruglicious
Fucking loved this show
firecloud42
Yep, and I’m pretty sure no one hates any of the movies
Lachwen
But Babylon 5 doesn't have "star" in its name...
SalmonTheWise
Snooj
The movie was so bad I almost didn't watch the show. The show makes up for it.
WaffleSci
best single episode of television ever. Fight me.
frosss
This is the correct answer
Varcova
Yeah, Wormhole Extreme is the better show
coothlesscthulhu
VanillaJester
That's Wormhole X-Treme! thank you very much.
DarthAndy
BlackCatCasper
mikeatike
coothlesscthulhu
BlackCatCasper
Hammond of Texas has fallen in battle.
MisterAtomic
Always upvote Stargate.
Northwindlowlander
Stars In Their Eyes?
joebellson
Yeah, I have to agree, my mom finally convinced me to watch the shows and they really are excellent. Please let Amazon green light the
joebellson
show Wright has been working on(at least last I heard Amazon was still buying MGM)!
Kbantar
And not a horrifying racist episode in the series, that I recall at least. A bit of that sadly in Trek/Wars.
MrHailstone
Explain
Kbantar
There are famously racist episodes of each series of Star Trek, and known issues with Star Wars. I don't remember any issues from Stargate.
TheInitiated
Space Patrol Orion
TheSilverSeraph
I know: it’s Star Wars XXX, a Sex Parody https://m.imdb.com/title/tt2059288/
coothlesscthulhu
mikeatike
TheLeanWolf
But.. Spaceballs doesn't have 'Star' in the title
Idontneedrealfacts
It's also not a franchise, at least not until I get that flamethrower I ordered decades ago
Kakeukh
What about "Porte des Étoiles"? It's a frenchise.
tcpolecat7
mikeatike
coothlesscthulhu
DarkHollowDulcimers
MarkSoupial
Even Universe had potential, but they were too busy trying to hold onto Battlestar Galactica fans.
delecti
Season 1 hadn't found its footing but even that was fine. And Season 2 was great.
Vercci
Dude don't you remember the episode where they were low on fuel.
PhotogenicHemorrhoid
That was most of season 1 and the last two episodes
Vercci
It's also the episode after they refuel which was itself a episode where they were low on fuel.
OmgOptimized
That one kinda sucked tho.
BlackCatCasper
Starhaven350
Last few seasons of sg1 was rough to. But 2 out of 3 shows being good to great anit bad
FairlySplendid
Dude I love Stargate universe. I loved how dark it was and that is wasn’t campy.
PTNLemay
"There are dozens of us! Dozens!"
DarkHollowDulcimers
Precisely why SGU was my favorite of the franchise. And Destiny was so cool.
Curii
I love SG. But the first few episodes were utterly terrible, I was awaiting one called 'Toiletpaper'. And a lot of the characters seemed>>>
Curii
so contrived. Here is the Saturday morning cartoon villain Dr (See Dr. Zachary Smith/Baltar clone). Here's the hyper fit eye candy, >>>>
Curii
here's the stupid boy genius who we need for some reason, like it's a Saturday morning cartoon where the auto-bots have to have a 12 yo>>>
DustyMcKnuckles
Stargate is a great one. However, if I had to choose a single "__Star__" series, It would be Battlestar Galactica.
mikeatike
soepie7
Beets. Bears.
Vloudimestre
Babylon5
MrHailstone
By far the best show in its genre. Was ahead of its time.
mikeatike
MH9009
Original or reboot?
IAmASentientWaffle
1980.
DustyMcKnuckles
Both.
TheN8
Yes
TheOnlyPtylerdactyl
BUUUUUULLLSHIT trek and wars "fans" alike hate everything that didn't air in their childhood. It is known
chaseNC
With Star Trek movies it's if it is an even or odd number. Odds are bad, Evens are good.
dooremouse
There are outliers. I like almost all of the new Star Trek and I'm 45.
bjo23
47, same. I may like some Trek/Wars more than others, but there's nothing I "hate".
jennym123
I feel really attacked right now.
TheOnlyPtylerdactyl
I meant what I said
jennym123
seitanicverses
Put another way: kids aren't too discerning, so they'll like any old [prequel] crap. Adults are more informed viewers and have tastes.
jawsoshuell
Adults can have more informed views and tastes, but by and large that's not the excuse for adult fans hating everything.
jawsoshuell
What's really happening is that their childhood memories have been so thoroughly modified to be more and greater than they actually were.
seitanicverses
I think it's exactly these rose-colored lenses that make a lot of folks who saw the prequels as children/adolescents fond of them. I don't
seitanicverses
claim the OT films don't have flaws, and as an adult I'm definitely more aware of them, espectially ROTJ. But they're original, not recycled
jawsoshuell
And when new content fails to live up to these ridiculous standards with no basis on the actual reality of their childhoods, they screech.
corpofilth
32 now. As a kid one of the things I resolved to never do was to be one of those bitter old people that dismissed young people preferences.
seitanicverses
That's a good attitude to have, and yeah, tastes are subjective and differ over time. Having seen more movies as an adult, tho, I can say
seitanicverses
without bitterness that the Star Wars prequels are just not good movies. Ep 3 is the best of the lot; ep 1 is a tedious wreck. As s/o else
seitanicverses
here commented, my attitude toward them is more disappointment than hate--they take up space in the canon that could have been filled by
jawsoshuell
33 here, huge OT and EU fan. It's like people think that any new movie is going to go back in time and erase what they watched as kids.
sittingfarawayfromtheworld
I think it's 7 of 9.
keyblader1985
If 7 of 9 heaves a sigh, what do you get?
LoopStricken
A boner?
notmoof8
Well played.
Mockingbirb
SlightlyAngryAtAllTimes
We like 7 of 9.
irvingb01
Except maybe Jennifer Lien.
mikeatike
Jackrackham86
PunIshErnest
This is a reference that even people who don't know star trek understands...
pritolus
I didn't get it, and I've seen all of TNG
mikeatike
ummjakefromstatefarm
I was thinking the same thing. Had to do a quick search to confirm.
ArtfulDodger1832
Nice one! Those that know, get it.
RandyRandalman
This.
jnoahj
I like 8/11 star wars movies. (Solo, 8, and 9 can eat shut and die)
tatanyave
I agree with this ratio.
TiptronicS
IncoggnitoMode
How the fuck did Abrams manage to do a better job with Trek then Wars. Since it was his childhood dream to do Wars and he never watched Trek
callocosplay
It wasn't entirely his fault. Kennedy let them go into that trilogy, knowing it would be a trilogy, with no road map of what they were doing
callocosplay
Even Lucas had an idea of where his trilogies were going...
Vyrro
Than
Treblaine
That's precisely the problem, he made a fan-film. The director of Wrath of Khan wasn't a Star Trek fan but collaborated with the writers.
Kargool
Better job??????? BETTER????? THE MONGREL WENT AND RUINED STAR TREK
MtnDewDrank
Because they didn't start out with a plan. It's like one or two people ad libbed each movie with no storyline or cohesion.
69thStPepper
I would argue that he didn't. Those movies were aggressively mediocre and did nothing to recommended the franchise
hitdog42
You're aggressively mediocre
69thStPepper
I like to think I'm passively mid-tier, but I'll take that over excessive lense-flare
MCNewYorkLives
It could be argued that 7 was an homage and he has a specific vision. Then when 8 stomped on the vision, instead of continuing with the new
therealpopkiller
Its not an homage. An homage is a loving tribute. Force Awakens is a cynical, incoherent cash grab.
MCNewYorkLives
Direction, he said "fuck it, imma reset everything and get it back to what I want", and that resulted in everything being awkward
crushingbore
His Star Trek movies are good, they just aren't Star Trek.
RadonGaming
They are therefore NOT good Star Trek movies by definition. He ruined everything with his 'action' approach.
crushingbore
That's what I mean though. If you just wanna watch a dumb space action movie they're fine.
KMakyra
Oh I would argue that there are fantastic as a space sci-fi action series. I would agree they are terrible ST movies. Like Resident Evil.
drone6040
Aggressive lens flair?
cubsfan05
Disney fucked it up
williamrichards
TFA is pretty much on par with JJ Trek (bad). Rian Johnson subverting the plot with TLJ really put everybody in a bind.
jawsoshuell
What put everyone in a bind was the 3rd director bowing out, JJ filling in, and deciding to just continue his own movie instead.
williamrichards
I'd argue that the 3rd director bowed out because he wanted absolutely nothing to do with the mess that RJ left him.
jawsoshuell
He left before RJ finished, and cited issues with Kathleen Kennedy. And it's unfortunate, because he might've continued what RJ was saving.
williamrichards
He would have had access to the script and the main ideas of what was happening. KK and RJ were together. RJ didn't get close to saving shit
DatDarthCaedus
Subverting WHAT plot? JJ set up pretty much nothing (as usual), and there was no overarching plan anyways.
williamrichards
TFA was a homeless man's A New Hope. A homeless man's retelling of Empire Strikes Back would have been disappointing, but better than TLJ
therealpopkiller
JJ Abrams is a hack who got lucky bc he made a Star Wars movie instead of a Trek movie & it made money. Everything else he’s done is shit
OriginalSyn
Making a trek movie more actiony is what was kind of needed for trek, but star wars needed more plot and JJ doesn't do that
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
It wasn't needed at all, that's not what Trek is.
LurkerOfDarkness
Trek has always been centered on the drama, the talk, the action is there to support it, not the other way around, JJ doesn't understand it.
dennydorko
He directed 2 Star Wars and 2 Star Treks. Only the first of each was good.
madjo
Star Wars was ruined, because they made “Star Wars movies”, but the old SW movies weren’t “Star Wars movies”, they were space samurai movies
charlie2979
A new hope is just a Vietnam movie.
GhostBear3067
You mean Return of the Jedi?
charlie2979
Maybe. Too hungover to remember.
GhostBear3067
Drink some water, preferably not cold.
SeeShark
I will die on the hill that Ep 8 actually knew what it was trying to do and had something to add to Star Wars, even if the execution was 1/
pritolus
8 was the absolute worst of them all. By a wide margin, too.
mizzamir
8 was idiotic. If jumping to hyperspace could destroy things in front of you, there would be hyperspace missiles to destroy the Death Stars.
SeeShark
not perfect. 7 was straight-up a remake of 4, and was decent at it, and 9 was a disaster with no direction. The prequels were as you say; 2/
callocosplay
They had no direction going into the recent trilogy or any idea of where it was going.
SeeShark
they were trying to do "Star Wars" instead of space samurais. Even the Force stopped being Buddhist and became Christianity. 3/3
LurkerOfDarkness
They tried Star Trekking the force by posing a scientific background for it instead of retaining the mysticism.
Acc87
I sorta like 7 as it simply looks great. 8 turned it up, and 9 tried way too hard even just in terms of visuals.
Fedotia
I cringed during all of 7. Darth horny teen wrecking his stuff with a lightbaseball bat doesnt have the same ring as Darth Vader.
StephenDaniels
Admiral Prom Dress was nearly too much to take; but Its impossible to accept Luke trying to murder his nephew because the kid had a dream.
jawsoshuell
Because Snoke was influencing Luke, you mean.
StephenDaniels
No. Snoke was a busted up, weak version of Palpatine and when Luke faced Palps one of them ended up at the bottom of the reactor shaftcont>
jawsoshuell
I'm getting downvoted for it, but the movie makes it clear that Snoke was influencing both Ben and Luke.
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
the 1st sequel was just a repeat of the first movie, the 2nd was a Kennedy Trainwreck of switching scripts and directors, the 3rd was death.
jawsoshuell
Much as I dislike Kennedy for what she did when first hired, that wasn't really on her. It was the plan between the original 3 directors.
jawsoshuell
She had the authority to override them, but in this case she let the creatives decide.
Syovere
Mm. For all the shit we give Lucas for the prequels, at least he was trying to tell a consistent story that wasn't a clone of the OT.
Syovere
also, why tf did palpatine get brought back?
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
Because they couldn't write a proper villain or protagonist to save their life, so they brought back an old one an redid the entire ->
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
-> "Oh my god the main baddie is my parent!" plot twist, except with a much worse ending.
morgulking75
He was in the books
Syovere
Okay but repeating a stupid thing someone else did doesn't make it less stupid
gitguuud
His Trek movies weren’t good either
EndOfMeaning
The lens flares alone (nearly every shot has one) makes the movies (especially the first) nearly impossible to watch.
LarvaLamp
It's funny, I never noticed the lens flares until grumpy people started complaining. I guess stuff like that doesn't bother me.
KMakyra
Nah. It's like Resident Evil. They were good movies. They weren't good Star Trek movies.
fantastapotamus
Not having played RE, I can say I really enjoyed the first 3 movies. 4 and 5 were 3D garbage, and 6 was meh.
Imnothrilled
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
He did an incredible job as McCoy and it was a shame his role was minimized. First huge mistake of the new movies.
Conqueeftadore
Respectfully I’d have to disagree. For the first one anyway. The opening scene where Kirk’s dad sacrifices himself was incredible.
LurkerOfDarkness
Incredibly chaotic, not at all aligned with canon, and so ugly.
firecloud42
Did you watch the movie? Different Universe/time line so the only thing that’s Canon is from Old Spocks past and what took place before kirk
LurkerOfDarkness
Does 8 times over count? The timeline shift is from a little inside the movie, problems start before.
GhostBear3067
They said a better job by comparison, not good.
PunIshErnest
Yeah, in the same way as vomit smells better than liquid diarrhea.
GhostBear3067
I have seen those smell the same, from the same person. They were having a very bad day.
awkwardbeautiful
I really like 1& 3
therealpopkiller
He didn’t do the 3rd one, that was Justin Lin
awkwardbeautiful
Of all of them, 1 is my favorite
PooPculture
For whatever reason the studios decided JJ Abrams was going to be the space sci-fi messiah when in reality he's a shitty director.
MitchAporia
They hate like.. 4
Wickingsham
1, 4, 5, Nemesis, the three that came after Nemesis... so I guess I'm even worse than that cat says.
BlackCatCasper
TMP, III, V, Generations, Nemesis, even Insurrection is a C+
MyBigMouth
Love the even numbered ones and TMP, like the odd numbered ones, meh on Nemesis; hate the JarJar ones.
agburanar
Seeing just why Anakin ended up like he did was... good? The prequels would have been 200% better if they had a better dialog writer though
AnnoyinglyLongHeadLine
Here, I said it, I really liked Solo
goodBEan
undiscovered country (6), the one with spock's brother (5), insurrection (9), into darkness
Rockafella83
captainregular
1, 3, 5, Generations was an ok 2-parter, Insurrection and Nemesis. And all the JJ ones are fun to watch once, but stupid.
pandemicmodedad
Let me guess, the 3 new ones and solo?
AKisHome
Two
CitizenClam
By my count, 3 of the TOS eras(3/6), 2 of the TNG eras(2/4), and 3 of the Kelvin timeline (3/3) for 8/12 hated by Trek Fans.
umbrellamaker
It's like most of the odd numbered ones
DVSBSTrD
4 series.
HalloIamherenow
I only really hate like 3 of the star wars movies really. Episode II, VIII, and IX. Episode VII was okay
dooremouse
The chaos born from this comment
butthurtnevergetsbetter
With good reason!
Treblaine
BriefausdemGeist
But the whales were awesome
HeirElfSquire
Oh child....
Bullheadbelly
4 was the best
akefay
Four of them, not Star Trek IV. I think it's 5 or 6 of them depending on if you liked the first of the lens flare movies, or hated all 3.
BriefausdemGeist
Jar jar abrams never should’ve been permitted to translate from tv to film
jakisall
All the odd number ones
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tracereading
Abrams Trek are a different timeline and thus their own series.
KilliK69
ST3 is good
AKisHome
Yes
Derfboy
Shhhhhh.....we don't talk about the odd ones. Just like Star Wars fans don't mention the Kessel Run.
DJTrickyM
Tbh idc much about the Kessel run anymore...I just like the 6 movies
rrlyrae
the first is still my favorite. the klingon scene is amazing and perfectly scored.
BlackCatCasper
And Nemesis
jamandtoast
And Nu Trek
snooch2thegouch
Which is odd if you count Galaxy Quest as the 10th film in the series
KingXizor
Galaxy Quest even ranked as 7th of 13 back in 2013 out of the best Star Trek movies at a Trekkie convention
zoeytg
I actually liked it. Can't really tell you why. I agree with why people hated it, I just didnt.
WayOfTheScience
I only hated that they killed Data, my favourite character
BlackCatCasper
It had action for sure. The younger clone being bald and falling into a bottomless pit in the lowest deck didn’t make sense.
blainetog
4 is the best Trek movie. Whales, time travel, "Nuclear wessels"? That's some top shelf stuff there.
LurkerBee
Hippy Spock yo!
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
It might not be "the best", but it is hands down my favourite.
blainetog
jennym123
I consider it to be one of the three "best" movies. The other two being Wrath of Khan and First Contact.
GoodOlZR
Eh, I only hate V and Nemesis
crazyspelling
V grew on me over the decades. They did shoot a photon torpedo at God in it. Nemesis is by far the worst.
hannahbutnotreally
I like Nemesis because it's got baby Tom Hardy in it. That's... kinda it though.
AreYouSuggestingThatCoconutsMigrate
And Ron Pearlman
EmporerDragon
What helped me with V was the novelization. Less slapstick and more development for Sybok's group.
Merky600
Remember that Galaxy Quest was voted one of the better Star Trek films at a convention.
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SeeShark
That's their point - Star Trek films are overall pretty bad, so Galaxy Quest was voted a better Trek film than most actual Trek films.
irvingb01
One of the GQ producers said approx. "Most people don't realize that on top of everything else we had to do a good Star Trek episode too."
Merky600
https://comicbook.com/movies/news/galaxy-quest-voted-a-better-star-trek-movie-than-star-trek-into-darkness/
dumberthanyouraveragebear
The Orville is one of the best Star Trek series todate
KMakyra
That's because it is.
hannahbutnotreally
The pain in his eyes...
Baeloro
Galaxy Quest and the orville are both better at being star trek than Star Trek. Except the rebooted movies were pretty damn good.
mcprole
The movies are entertaining. They are called star trek. Thats about as far as ill go.
mcprole
The new movies*
Curii
I agree the Abrams ones were good, but say that too loud and you'll get lynched.
Baeloro
Inorite?
madjo
STINO, Star Trek in name only
Frogapus
Would that make Spaceballs the best Star Wars movie?
GodsFoot
Was there any doubt?
CreativeMapleCookie
Hmmm... one of the top ones for sure. I wonder if The Search For More Money will hold up.
JerzeeTomato
Yeah, and Rogue One was by far the best Star Wars movie.
beachbum273
best _new_ Star Wars movie. It's not better than Empire for certain.
4554073
Hands down the best Star Wars movie
PhurbuMukpodom
OurLordLucifer
If you ignore the first 3 that were released
PSWIIsixty
I try to ignore them in general and pretend the series started with the knights of the Old Republic games.
Dankking
It was definitely good but honestly I kinda like them all. Tbf I haven’t seen the new 3 yet
ghostofGracchusBabeuf
Don’t bother, unless maybe you like getting drunk and riffing on bad movies. They’re MST3K quality plots with better special effects.
himisti
At this point it's just better to play the new Lego star wars
icommentwithsteveharvey
It helps that Felicity Jones is captivating
CreativeMapleCookie
They did good on the writting since they didn't have to focus on the force or saber fights, imo. Less frosting more nutritious.
hairytrigga
They didn't have JJ fucking with it either.
PicassoCT
They kept the Flair and lost the flare
RedStarVidal
Keep Jar Jar's name out your fu**in mouth.
CreativeMapleCookie
That's like automatically adding 3 ratings out of 10 to the movie.
Einherion
Rian did more damage than jj could dream of
RideTheStimutacs
I always thought it was weird that DS9 never got a movie. I guess the studio got gunshy after Nemesis, but it's not even the same cast.
yifin
What would you even make a movie about with that cast? DS9 is best trek but the characters all went every which way..
RideTheStimutacs
Set it before the end of the show, like the Cowboy Bebop movie. Or make it while the show was still running.
yifin
With our luck, it'd end up like the second x files movie rather than the first.
Sauniche
They kept having to make up weird ass excuses to shove Worf into the later TNG movies. A DS9 movie would have been full of that
IcarusTower
FC he's fighting the Borg, Nemesis he's at Riker /Troi wedding, those make sense. Insurrection Picard asks y he's there and he never answers
yifin
Exactly. It'd be one big getting the band back scene together again & again. TNG was episodic but DS9 was serialized. Too hard to do
yifin
A movie after they wrapped up everything. I wouldn't mind a spinoff movie/show dealing with the remains of the dominion.
Stiba
Picard is the best captain!
PastaLaPizzaBaby
DustyMcKnuckles
gablestout
They're all good captains, Brent
LurkerOfDarkness
*Brunt, FCA
jignha
He's also a great cowboy https://youtu.be/cK9dlmYvB-Y
TimmyTimm
I grew up with Kirk so he is the best. Fight me! .
thatlazylizard
I recently watched the original series. WOW. kirk is a great dude. So much more kind then hes made out to be on the web.
TimTheEnchanter01
Nah man, I wouldn’t fight an octogenarian
TimmyTimm
irvingb01
["Amok Time" fight music intensifies]
LurkerOfDarkness
Please rise for the national anthem.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
I grew up with Kirk as well but also Picard, and like Picard better.
kluang
Sisko the best captain
MrHailstone
Sisko is a knockoff
ConfederacyOfDunces
Absolutely.
Whyt128
He was actually a terrible captain. He is remembered fondly because the writing of that series was superb.
LetsEatGrandpaCommasSaveLives
That thong thong thong thong thong
spicetothefoo
He's a great character, but TERRIBLE Captain
kluang
Picard could never pull the in the pale of moonlight
TheYoungBear
We can live with it
spicetothefoo
He wouldn't have
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
He would have found another solution, that didn't require war crimes.
Nirvash80
nesurame
oh man, Sisko is the very definition of Chaotic Good. He follows the rules like 60% of the time, and 40% of the time goes in guns blazing.
kluang
But 100%. Attack pattern delta.
yifin
Prolly why he and Kira got along so well.
crazyspelling
Remember that time he shot banned biological weapons at a planet to make it uninhabitable for Cardassians and didn't get court-martialled?
WaywardLurker
Pepperidge Farm remembers
kluang
No. He made inhospitable for human. And it's the Marquis he targets.
filben7
I don't hate any Trek movies, some are just cheesier than others. (JJ Trek is not star trek though, fuck that trash).
SomeDetroitGuy
Star Trek 5 was absolute trash
filben7
No, it was cheesy fun and it still had quotable scenes.
RelativeVelocity
It truly was garbage
vurcease
I try to perceive such cheesy aspects of them as homage to the original TV series.
TheMouseOfMadness
JJ Wars is the worst Star Wars... huh, I'm noticing a pattern
IlDepo
JJ trek is indeed bad but if you ask me episodes 1 and 8 are far worse.
PleaseRespectMyAsshole
His movies were ruined by Rian Johnson coming in and being like "fuck everything that has ever happened before."
PleaseRespectMyAsshole
Ohhhh...I struck a couple of nerves of the "we will jerk off to anything that hates on JJ" people. Fuck yeah!!
TheMouseOfMadness
Incorrect. 7 was a straight up remake of 4. 8 tried to do something new and interesting. 9 was a clusterfuck of retcons and McGuffins
TheMouseOfMadness
So unless you want "EXACTLY what happened before, just on a DIFFERENT desert planet with an orphan" for every movie... JJ ruined it
Imdead124
I don't really understand this view. I thought the only thing majorly wrong with TLJ was Finn's whole "storyline"
Imdead124
Sure, Luke feels out of character, but it's been like 30 years! Who knows wtf happened to him in that time, people change.