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CricketRickshaw
Fraud requires intent.
pumper
IRS:"We know how much tax you should pay, but we won't tell you, because you might fuck up the calculations and we'll be able to punish you"
SovietRusalka
This is why I choose to commit tax evasion
Thethundercougarfalconbird
In Australia the ATO doesn't care as long as you pay what's owed the first time they ask. Fight it & then it gets nasty
Lastcentura
I did that without knowing, in Australia if you're in centerlink they're supposed to tell you when and how much tax you have paid -
Lastcentura
One year they had an error an didn't let me know .. I only owed $400 haha
steamingporkramen
I have unintentionally underpaid numerous times and IRS sends you a bill and then you pay it. That is not fraud.
omgtessie
Irs has helped me figure out what i did wrong so many times. They have been awesome. Just talk to them.
MichaelGrubbs
The average person commits three felonies a day without even knowing.
MichaelGrubbs
https://ips-dc.org/three-felonies-day/
pseudopseudonym
My biggest fear is accidentally committing tax fraud because I'm an accounting professional and it would make look like a fucking idiot.
Reimmop
Cpa here: literally dm me your questions. I’m not a tax expert but I can answer most simple questions filers often have
lookAtAllTheCociane
Perfectly convenient for the government to keep the money that you don't know you deserve.
nowservingnotyou
I did this. Owed $2k more than I expected because turbo tax gave me an education credit they weren't supposed to
BobTheSwede
It’s too dificult to pay taces in the US I hear
XVUltima
That's because you are doing your own taxes, which the system is designed to discourage.
Caramster
Sweden. The government does my taxes. They send it home to me for verification, I check if it's all correct (which it always is) and I...
Caramster
...sign it off using my cellphone. Taxes takes less than 5 minutes to do.
Caramster
Actually, that have changed as I recalled. To save the environment I don't get shit sent home to me, I just do the same procedure over...
Caramster
...the internet.
Atomic2
Ive made a mistake and I actually found working with the IRS to be pretty okay. I had someone assigned to my "case" and was able to speak >
Atomic2
directly with them to get the problem resolved. In they end they actually forgave me because the mistake was going to be a pain to unravel >
Atomic2
and the amount wasn't huge. //
Nader393
IRS once called me on a tax return with mistakes. I redid it, found more deductions, and they owed me even more money back. Idiots!
WhoUhz
Fraud requires “intent”… intent requires “intellect”. You’re okay.
IFoundOutThatYouCanHave63CharactersOntheUsernameHowCoolIsThat
im so glad my country automates this for you, the only scary part is doing your deductible claims cause you gotta justify it.
DavidBowiesEyepatch
Don't stress out over things that haven't happened.
jebstat59365
It's called auditism...
dannne
In my country it's just one text aaaaand it's done.
summershank
I own and have cashed out thousands in crypto currencies and I don’t know what the fuck to do on my taxes
pandro
that's what CPAs are for.
summershank
I have consulted one and even they aren’t sure what I owe. The laws and regulations are extremely convoluted. 1/2
summershank
They want you to report every trade you have ever made but the exchange doesn’t have them all
summershank
I haven’t bumped into this issue with my stock exchange trades it’s all automated and fully reported
pandro
I confess that if I knew that an income stream was not being reported to the govt then I probably wouldn't go out of my way to comply 1/
MissLadyPants
Ohh i did that. But on purpose thinking i wouldn't get caught. Guess what?! I got caught. Lost a few years refunds.
sqabbit
Did you lie about your income?
burlyqlady
Laughs in expat circa 2010
Wonkable
Don't worry, intentionally committing tax fraud seems to work for trump, so how bad can doing by accident really be?
masteryoplait
If people truly understood how the rich play with loopholes & stretch the truth they’d be outraged.
Newlife5454
And sadly outraged at the rich and not at the system that allows it to happen legally
riplikash
The rich are also the cause of the system. They spend billions lobbying for the system to be as out is.
masteryoplait
Well said! The system they paid for made for them to safely cheat.
PictureArchiver
I would never apologise to the tax man. The tax legislation and associated tax form is such a byzantine piece of administration it’s
PictureArchiver
designed to induce error. The most they’ll get is: I didn’t mean to screw it up, but it’s totally your fault that I did.
onlyhalfghost
Hi, am a taxman. Unless you're really trying to fuck with us, the most you'll get out of it is a collection notice about how much you owe
comacomacomacomachameleon
Just use a service like TurboTax. Gives you plausible deniability... "I just clicked 'yes' or 'no' and it gave me these results."
comacomacomacomachameleon
in truth I absolutely hate that TurboTax is even a thing. Our tax laws are so complicated that the average person needs to PAY to file taxes
comacomacomacomachameleon
it's like... why can't my employer just withhold the correct amount of taxes? Why do I have to fucking guess?
pandro
I resent that we have to PAY to file electronically (or file "free" by letting a company see our info and target us for ads.) We have 1/
pandro
made the IRS's job a million times easier by self-digitizing our returns - we should get a damn discount. 2/2
MaxWar
I have about 7 different sources of income. Tax time is like 3 days of full time work each year. I can't imagine doing it without turbotax.
gewalt
they know, thats why the setup the system to confuse the fuck out of you. only the rich can afford the lawyer to pay the least
martinomander5
In many European countries the tax agency sends you the tax return prefilled. If you agree with it, you just sign and return it. >
martinomander5
> The IRS proposed doing the same thing in the US, but lobbyists from Intuit and HR Bloc killed it.
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
If it makes you feel any better, Canadian taxes are VASTLY more straightforwards, and I still managed to accidentally committed tax fraud.
itdweeb
That at the fine lobbyists at Quicken and Intuit. They make it such that the govt can't just cut a check or send a bill every year.
UnicornSausage
Yep.. Quicken tax.. the sued California for this.
dblemaster
It only costs like $200 to use a tax attorney. And in my experience, very worth it.
TheUnusualTreeofGuiltySorrow
Fraud requires an intent to deceive. So if you honestly got confused you'll get penalties but not jail time.
TheUnusualTreeofGuiltySorrow
And seen them the IRS might waive the penalties under certain circumstances.
TheUnusualTreeofGuiltySorrow
Even then*
Atomic2
Yea but they're pretty chill from my experience unless it looks like you're doing it maliciously. Disclosure: sample size of 1 interaction.
Venomagneto
Can confirm. (At least in Australia). I used to be an accountant. I now encourage everyone to take small tax risks. 1/2
Venomagneto
Worst case scenario, they tell you 'you've made a mistake' and help you correct it. It's only suspicious if you consistently make 'mistakes'
agiantboulder
Same I owed one year. The person I talked to at the IRS was pretty chill. Just like what can you afford a month. That was it
IAmGodot
CPA here: You can't accidently commit tax fraud. Fraud, per the IRS definition, is an intentional act. Negligence is when you just fuck up.
lindsaver
Good to know!
flyline
Idiot here ………… good to know !!!!!
lindydanny
Nice. Free and clear!
Suntok
As someone who messed up by accident once, the IRS gives you ample opportunity to correct. No robo call "pay now with gift card or jail."
Suntok
Rather, they notify by letter, show you the exact mistake and exactly how to fix it and they set a deadline that for me was several months.
bippityboppitybuttsex
Can confirm, fucked up the math on my taxes, badly. Got a letter to pay the difference. Did so. Never heard about it again.
bippityboppitybuttsex
I had to pay interest for the period from the due date... no penalty (paid it early)
Cantandwont
So...they have the correct number???
bippityboppitybuttsex
Yep.
Chunderchucker
Yeah that's what blows my mind as someone outside the US... It's like a game of guess who with penalties if you balls up
Reimmop
Cpa as well. Can confirm.
ravnsulter
Fun fact: The leader of Norwegian Christian conservative party and cabinet member, yesterday had to resign due to tax fraud. He claimed to1/
ravnsulter
live at his parents house in his boys room. This depsite he was married with kids in another city. By claiming this he was allowed more 2/
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than USD200.000 worth of free appartments in Oslo. i would not mind if he goes to jail. He claimed it was a mistake. 3/3
masteryoplait
I dunno that seems way to intentional to be accidental. We often talk badly about politicians & corruption but what I’m always shocked by is
masteryoplait
for how little they are willing to be sold.
IAmGodot
The difference? Negligence is a 20% underpayment penalty. Tax fraud can be civil (up to 75% penalties) and/or criminal (fines and jail).
ITellBadPuns
Can confirm. I actually did fuck my taxes up once, where I accidentally claimed I was owed more than I actually was. All that happened...
ITellBadPuns
...was I got a bill in the mail that basically said "Dude, you fucked up, you gotta pay us back."
urukhello
I once overlooked the fact that a transfer of shares from one brokerage to another id accidentally put the original cost basis as “0” /1
urukhello
which resulted in a predictably ludicrous underpayment bill. I called them up, they told me what I’d did wrong, I got them the /2
SirBillington
It's weird because they know exactly how much you owe or how much you should get back, but they make us do tax day because fuck you.
Thethundercougarfalconbird
Not necessarily, there's numerous deductables that you could make that they won't know about until after an audit
titaniumsnail
In more civilized countries the state do in fact just tell you just what you need to pay, if your workplace hasn't already paid the tax /1
NorwegianSheepknuller
You can thank TurboTax and other tax software companies for that. They lobby hard.
DTJames
They totally can do everyone taxes easily without our input, but they have this system to allow the rich to have loopholes.
ITellBadPuns
That's just it, I don't think they actually do know how much we owe or should get back until we submit your taxes. Like, I imagine they...
Junktrunkjunkie
I got a bill like that about my school expenses. So I printed my bank statement for an entire year and highlighted all school related →
Junktrunkjunkie
→ expenses and color coded them by type. Then they sent me a check because it turns our they owed me like $800.
armadillogiraffe
My friends husband says every year that he gets audited bc he messed up. But he only makes maybe 50k. How would that be possible?
SerenePrincess013
I messed up once, & they took the entire 4509$ of my return. It wasn't even that bad, I just put a # in the wrong spot. I appealed, & was>
SerenePrincess013
Essentially told "haha, get fucked". I've been trying to get those funds for 3 yrs, & the IRS has been punishing me for a misclick.
GondwanaCraton
The most probable explanation is that your friend's husband is lying to you. Or is an utter idiot who insists on doing his own taxes despite
GondwanaCraton
fucking it up year after year after year.