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PerpetuityPhoto
The trouble is it's not just training. It's that the job specifically hires people with power fantasies in America.
PerpetuityPhoto
In other countries, even countries where a cop can beat you with a stick for being stupid, it's still viewed as a Service, not an Authority.
Idonotbelievewehavecompany
We're number 1! We're number 1!.....sob
bigtitsbutnotthesexykind
Wwho are 'We'? And how did you become number 1? TELL ME YOUR SECRETS
Ifekinlovesauerkraut
Cue the saxophone!
h8d2qfxnkq350
How many black people live in Norway?
Idonotbelievewehavecompany
I have no idea
itsahorse
To be fair most countries don't have guns as a "protection". Less dying for all parts.
brewerjx3
Endocrom
Forget about the badge, when do we get the freaking guns!
OriginalSyn
Besides Quebec, Canada has similar reqs and training as the USA and while they still have plenty of problems nothing like the USA
MyPseudoIsAlduinSkyrimStoleItFromMe
Good to know, I was thinking all provinces had similar training for police officer. Quebec is 3 years college + Nicolet Police school.
Kingdomonsterdeath
This is incorrect. In order to become a RCMP officer you must be older than 25 and have a degree in a career adjacent field. Better training
OriginalSyn
Where you get this info? According to the RCMP website it's 19yo, diploma and 6 months training.
OriginalSyn
https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/qualifications-and-requirements
junkgoof
And Quebec has problems with violent cops. It's going to take a while... The attitude is still wrong.
junkgoof
Violent cops make for more problems, increases police budgets. No benefit to the police to do their jobs well. Vacation for violence.
SciFiGuy2018
Do you hand out assault rifles like candy? Don't dream it, be it!
OriginalSyn
There was a scandal a couple years ago where a cop had his assault rifle stolen from his personal vehicle while he was having "dinner" at a
OriginalSyn
Sports bar at 11pm. The case was unsecured in his back seat. He didn't even have authorization to remove it from his squad car.
WinchesterTavern
AndrewBuggy
Wonder if he's dancing to Scritti Politi. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5JG_TLdPSY
Schtaan
I think it's more like: https://youtu.be/S9DkHB70NmU?t=105
PaulMagzire
That dude is in
titaniumsnail
Norwegian cops are chill af.
ravnsulter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd8ZTKU8csw
Contundo
Most of the time, yea. If you disregard them they become mad, but you likely won’t get shot.
Norwegiansilverback
It's so much getting strangled /s
titaniumsnail
Never had a bad encounter with them personally, but I also don't get drunk and/or do stupid shit so I guess that helps. But I've always /1
titaniumsnail
been impressed how good they are at de-escalating. Seen them deal with drug addicts/drunks and youth gangs and they are always so chill. /2
Contundo
Personally no bad experiences. Seen them arrest people that did not want to de-escalate pretty efficiently
LewdFrog
To be fair, the european numbers should be added up and a similar timeframe picked. Probably still not good for the US though.
rymerc
Last time I checked most bigger departments required college degrees, and there are majors programs for it. Smaller/rural departs not always
funnystoryaboutthat
I think Charleston SC requires a 4 year degree or that it's in progress
SurfHill
Associates Degrees generally speaking. But lots of departments have waivers for veterans.
fourthJumper
If you’re not ready for the circle jerk, You’ll want to back out of here slowly now. This is not the place for reason.
BSwann
45% of states require college or substantial military experience.
HunglikeaHamster
Al Bundy's bumper sticker: "Support higher education! Send a cop to first grade!"
FabianGalon
Just any college degree?
SurfHill
NYPD requires 60 college credits with a minimum 2.0 GPA, just two years of college, no degree, or 2 years of honorable military service.
martineb72
Except it isn't a degree in policing.
EaNasirsExcellentHighGradeCopper
Only requirement to be a cop in America is to be a high school bully, and to take a short indoctrination course that amps up your fear of
BatLadyRielle
A college degree isn't going to change that when the teachers for a crj degree are ex cops. I dropped the program because they were so bad
BatLadyRielle
Teaching that no non-white will ever trust a white cop and they'll actively hinder you, and that men can't be victims of sexual assault -_-
BatLadyRielle
So when people say cops just need a college degree, I know from experience: that isn't going to help.
longhorn433
Or be the one that was bullied and then have a power trip the rest of your career.
hairytrigga
And if your served in a combat trade in the military you're given priority in hiring for some departments.
PINEAPPLELEMONADE
I've known a lot of military vets denied becoming a police officer because they were "over qualified"
jessika95ve
And maybe you must be happy because they're not patrolling your streets.
hairytrigga
Meaning they have proper training and are accustomed to denying illegal orders and following the rules, generally.
FloodingWaters
"too smart"
EaNasirsExcellentHighGradeCopper
everyone to the point where you tell someone to get their license out of the car, then scream and empty a magazine into their back because
EaNasirsExcellentHighGradeCopper
they reached into the car.
WillJeSuis
"TAKE OFF YOUR SEATBELT AND GET OUT OF THE CAR!!!" "KEEP YOUR HANDS UP!!!" "GET OUT OF THE CAR!!!" "NOW!!!!"
ceceoh
And when the Supreme Court rules that limits on concealed carry are unconstitutional, that will really amp up cops’ fear and paranoia.
Heavenissize17socks
The ones who really need the restrictions of gun control are the police.
SuicidalThrillbillyturnedLunaticChillbilly
I would actually say both, that is just me.
Mack1986
Reading must be hard. It very clearly states a high school diploma /s. Also should be noted most cities require college
Lamplord
Thinking of trying to join, myself. Be the change you want to see, ya know?
J0hnnyMemeonic
I like this thinking. Best way to reform is for good people to replace the bad
photoshopbot01
Please do.
EaNasirsExcellentHighGradeCopper
Good luck. You'll either be corrupted yourself, be forced out if you try to speak up against them, or be left to die by your fellow
lafire67
The hate for cops runs deep in you. A lot has to do with the job they do. Most people become cops to do good and help others. It’s not easy.
EaNasirsExcellentHighGradeCopper
officers. Don't believe me? Look at the history of cops that spoke out or were even just at risk of speaking out.
Lamplord
I believe ya, I've seen the history. But I've always believed one person makes a difference, from boycotting Disney to recycling.
Bakerysnake
America sounds more and more like the land of MASSIVELY lowered standards for professions.
LunaticLegostone
The problem is America set all its standards over 200 years ago and haven't had a new idea since then.
xelbi1988
If you don't think most of that 1k are justified homicides, spend some time watching PolicyActivity on youtube. That said we could be better
FlyingDestinyTitan
germany actually is 3 years too
ALT3NPFL3G3R
Google helps a lot.
FlyingDestinyTitan
Ja lieber Herr Altenpfleger. Ausser natürlich der eigene Vater war Polizeiausbilder und man hat sich selbst beworben. Spars dir junge
ALT3NPFL3G3R
2 bis 2.5 Jahre . Mit Studium 3. Wo ist da jetzt ihr Problem ? Und das ist auch nicht das Thema, sondern die miserable Ausbildung der Amis.
Cats2cats
Recheck your facts. Some small town police depts may accept HS diploma. Most want 2-4yr degree now days.
StSword1
This post was about the length of the training to become cops. In other countries it takes years to become a cop instead of less than 6 mo
Cats2cats
The description for US leads w/his diploma. So it is part of the discussion.
Cats2cats
Sp high school.
saboten13
You also need to have a passion for committing crimes against humanity in the US. Google it, international panel wrote 180 page report!
tankerofquetzals
I really hate it when there's a real point presented in a misleading way.
Cpthornswoggler
Should probably also include the homicide stats/violent crime for each of those countries.
TheN8
The fact you think that's a justifiable correlation is worrying.
Cataleast
I'm sure there's some correlation. More violence as a whole -> the quicker the guns come out to begin with. The lax gun laws don't help, ofc
titaniumsnail
Norway has one of the lowest crime rates in the world, because people aren't forced into poverty and the social nets work. Also healthcare.
Aaronb1138
Also monoculture as opposed to diversity. What we call the left and right in the US is 1/10th as wide in Norway as far as social opinion gap
n0ckturn4l10
NYC.. you actually need a 2 yr degree or 2 years in the military with 6 months of training in the academy and 6 months field training.
libaf
Training differs slightly as well. They don't teach killology in finland and norway.
afatrollofmyown
Killology.
Rifneno
Exactly. Bastards here are taught to be terrified of everything and shoot first. They're pussies BECAUSE OF the training not in spite of it
filthyoldmanwhore
"slightly"... The training for a cop differs A LOT compared to US..
libaf
What gave it away? The fact we don't teach cops to murder on sight? :P
gat0n3gr0
I *suppose* those death numbers would be better if expressed per capita...but the message would be the same! Quality over quantity, IMHO.
natabus
Per capita:
natabus
2017 to 2019, per 10 million residents. Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124039/police-killings-rate-selected-countries/
Andrzhel
For the cop kills per capita: 0.17 per million in Germany, 2.29 per million in the US.
evilcarp
21 whole weeks? Is that NYC or some other progressive part of the USA?
mattheww100
To be fair though - how many US police are killed in the course of their duty compared to elsewhere?
BSwann
US to UK it's like 89-5 IIRC
sawasdeekap
Yes, the general violence in the society must be a part of the equation. When someone is killed in Norway it’s a national news story.
pengul
But its also that us-level extreme poverty creates violence. Because of better welfare, we in EU live much safer in general.
SomeDetroitGuy
The city of Detroit has very high crime and very high poverty and one of the lowest rates of cops killing people in the US.
BSwann
Why shoot them when you can just let them shoot each other. *Headtap.gif*
natabus
Make it percapita to avoid confusion. This is 2017 to 2019, numbers are per 10 million residents.
EvanStageTech
It's almost like teaching people how to do the job makes them better at it ??
Thisisnotreallymyname
Also, unpopular opinion, the first thought on a cop's mind in Europe isn't, "this person is gonna pull a gun on me."
makeSX
Gee... Could there be a reason for that? I mean if there could be some laws to do something about it?
MsWhereILeftMySocks
The issue is more about the capacity to de-escalate and use non-lethal force. Using a gun isn't the first option, nor shooting 4+ bullets.
MsWhereILeftMySocks
Also: https://newjersey.news12.com/newark-police-no-officer-fired-a-single-shot-in-2020-thanks-to-de-escalation-program
MsWhereILeftMySocks
Here when you come with contact with police, it is not life or death situation. You get caught, arrested, & you aren't filled with bullets.
Igut
In Finland there is 32 gun per 100 citizens, USA has 120, but USAs numbers are more than 4 times...
TongueLasher
So much is missing here. Gun law differences, size of population etc. ..
mormacil
No two places are identical, not even within the US. But it might be a good idea to align more with the laws of those countries if it works
RealPenguin
Sweden is interesting since we have more than 500,000 civilian gun owners. It's not difficult to get a gun here, and they're cheap too. 1/?
mackloti
About the same as in Norway. Scandinavians own guns for hunting or sport. Not to wear them daily for protection
mackloti
And we are tough enough without a full set of tacticool gear
RealPenguin
But the cases of gun violence with a legally owned gun are so few that there's not good stats. Basically "1" per year. Population 10M+ 2/2
edgareplekjekk
How does gun law affect this?
Chaeden
Well for one it means that any dumb ass fucker might have a pistol for the idiot officers to be 'worried' about and shoot someone because of
edgareplekjekk
Any dumb criminal can be carrying a gun in any country, regardless of the gun laws.
HypnoJack
I think the idea is: anyone in the US can legally be armed = everyone is a potential threat to the police.
edgareplekjekk
Yeah. Some really bad logic.
BSwann
In a place with 0 guns police can be less worried don't even necessarily have to carry guns themselves.
edgareplekjekk
No such place exists. And no gun laws could enforce it over criminals anyways.
BSwann
UK: the very minor presence of guns and criminals basically only use them on each other. Cops don't fear being shot day to day.
edgareplekjekk
So few cops in the US get shot and killed that they shouldn't fear it anyways.
MsWhereILeftMySocks
In Finland, we have a shitton of guns, but getting caught is not a death sentence, and if police need to use guns, they do it non-lethal.
BSwann
Almost had me until they shoot non-lethally.
MsWhereILeftMySocks
Yes, you can fire guns in body parts which have lower risk of life thereatening injuries. Like lower limbs. And shoot once, not 10 times.
BSwann
"Firearm use by police in Finland is defined for stat purposes as police warnings about using a firearm, police threatening firearm use...
BSwann
and police shooting a firearm." So the stats can't really be taken seriously.
Lycarion
In all fairness, comparing absolute numbers doesn't really tell you anything, as the countries are different sizes.
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Lycarion
Thanks!
Oxymuncher
Ok Norway had an average of 0.005 killed a year per 100k in 14 year timespan and the US had 0.3 per 100k in 2019...
edgareplekjekk
People know about these differences.
natabus
And in a nutshell: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124039/police-killings-rate-selected-countries/
OddlyPacific
In the US we keep math a secret so nobody can know!
DarthVaderDidNothingWrong
True. For a comparison with Germany, multiply by 4. So roughly the same number in 31 years that the US has in one.
Lycarion
Exactly! That just doesn't become very clear in the data as it's presented.
ZeCosmicRrope
how many countries have cases of police dislocating the shoulder of a grand-ma with dementia for 13$ theft then laughed about it?
CROWBARJ0NES
What does "13$" mean. Is that slang for something?
Chaeden
My assumption would be she stole $13 worth of 'something' no idea what, but the value of what she stole was $13.
CROWBARJ0NES
I assumed that's what OP meant but I'm always confused when people put the $ in the wrong spot.
Ifekinlovesauerkraut
Germany. Dietrich Wagner lost his eye sight in 2010 due police hitting him with a water canon directly in the face.
DanaConti5
Granted that happens on the regular with rubber bullets in the US but it also happens pretty regularly in France as well.
Staddi
10 years later, same city: Police watches while rightwing Covid deniers attack journalists and give thumbs up in pictures with said deniers.
Ifekinlovesauerkraut
Yep. I already posted that German politicians needs to clean out their forces. Things changed a lot behind the scenes. Hutbürger et al.
hyp0crisy
Norway. Old man beaten up because he was speeding. A younger man, with psychological issues beaten blue at the emergency room. A.C.A.B
titaniumsnail
Do you have links? I want to read about it and see if there were any repercussions.
hyp0crisy
https://www.nrk.no/sorlandet/politimann-domt-etter-a-ha-banket-opp-psykisk-syk-1.15366301
titaniumsnail
At least he was punished for it. Unacceptable behavior.
ArneLoff
Could you link those cases? Not heard about them.
hyp0crisy
That's the younger man with mental issues. Trying to find the one about the poor old man.
hyp0crisy
https://www.nrk.no/sorlandet/politimann-domt-etter-a-ha-banket-opp-psykisk-syk-1.15366301
ArneLoff
Takk, syk mann.
hyp0crisy
Veldig. Å true noen som allerede sliter er ikke noe som bygger tillit til politiet.
TheActualFBI
Doesn't really matter. Another problem is police culture. They could train for 5 years, won't mean shit if not changing the culture.
IWasACatAllAlong
You mean the culture where it's shoot first, talk later?
reynoldstheroach
lol if you think it wouldn't do a lot to weed out the trigger-happy wannabe warriors. Those people would never make it through the schooling
Battle4ngel
I mean, as long as they teach "Warrior Training", the idea that longer exposure only makes it worse doesn't appear that weird.
BatLadyRielle
Until the training changes, it not only won't help it will make it worse. I've been through it and dropped because they were so awful.
billtopia
Minnesota requires a 2 year program to be a cop. Net result is that recruits spend 2 years hanging out with other asshole wannabe cops.
billtopia
I believe standardized schooling is part of the solution, but it's clearly not the magic bullet people want it to be.
GhostOTM
Slightly misleading because not per capita. But, it's still ridiculously bad if displayed that way.
thickythickydumdum
This∆ I'm sure the US still looks bad per capita but people need to understand why it's important to always demand per capita numbers before
thickythickydumdum
they jump to conclusions about any data thrown at them. Good job.
DukeofKMS
All the shown countries have a murder rate of 0.4-0.8 murders per 100k. The US has 4.smth per 100k
SeanBeanDiesAlot
California and Canada have almost the same population and California has three times the shootings fwiw
TheN8
You're right - per capita it's even worse...
A2DY79
Slightly misleading? What about outright misinformation?
jimmyhowlett
It's not misleading. One looks at a single year the others look at multiple, it doesnt need to be per capita because it's that bad.
jimmyhowlett
Plus the education part should be more important but in america it's not. It's an expense and a hell of an expense.
NoobsStfu
I'd like to see the stats in police killed in the US vs these nations as well
ThomasThundersword
and for dif time ranges.
rebutters
Also the timeframes were different which bugged the crap out of me.
Pooroldrichard
So to become a state police officer in Michigan, you need to go to an academy and get the equivalent of 1.25 associate degrees in class time
timmyg683000
True also this does not reflect the other supports and police have with mental health services and other program's
Salpinus
In Norway we've had two more deaths at least after this, (last one in fall of 2020). Both cases related to mental health
Salpinus
*as in they were basically a threat to themself and police rush in and end up killing the guys
BlacknCrimsonRose
That's because we dont do that sort of thing in the US. We have some places that are starting to, but as a standard - doesn't happen.
RiverRoyal
It’s just a simple case of redistribution of YOUR tax money to pay for these things. You spend the same, just badly.
BlacknCrimsonRose
I didn't say it wasnt. I said we weren't spending our taxes for it in 98% of the country.
screendler
Different views on guns and gun ownership should also be considered.
Kingdomonsterdeath
Sure the responsible countries have systems in place to help. The crazy, ass backwards american system is a murder for profit machine.
demonlegs
while onboard with the greater point--- guns aren't as proliferated in those places.
TheN8
That's not exactly a defence - rather and indictment of the systemic problems.
Avlaen
Thats not really a defence, just showing that every idiot being able to have a gun causes massive amounts of un needed death.
DukeofKMS
For the cop kills per capita: 0.17 per million in Germany, 2.29 per million in the US.
Cobalt1
Thanks came for this info
thefatlonelyjew
Good news! Your husband is only 29% dead!
venomlash
Mostly dead is a little alive.
cdclare550513000
MrHailstone
Also 2 years are not really correct. After 2 years you start as a trainee with an experienced partner. Small town gigs mostly.
A2DY79
You should also consider that Germany has a lot less gangs.
NotABadLookingNarcissist
That just showcases a lot of other problems in the US. A lot of our problems are interlinked. Private election funding - Lobbying by 1/
NotABadLookingNarcissist
2/ private prisons to lengthen sentences and fighting to decriminalized drugs, no common sense gun laws that would keep them out of gangs
NotABadLookingNarcissist
3/ hands - lack of opportunity in certain communities, lack of social safety net - then on top of that we throw undertrained, over
NotABadLookingNarcissist
*lobbying to keep drugs illegal* I meant
Coreation
Germany: 267/30 years: 8.9 / year / 80Mio: 0,11 per Mio. US: 1004 / 328Mio: 3 per Mio? The multiples are still very high in comparison
DukeofKMS
I took 14 police kills in Germany last year and 1000 kills in the states.
DukeofKMS
And 340 million Americans ^^
Coreation
but I wonder where I got it wrong
1metalnation
Let me try for you bud
1metalnation
Yeah, German police shoot 1.038e -7 people per capita per year
jekath
In Denmark, its news when an officer discharges a gun. I don't mean killing someone, firing a warning shot will make the news.
UneventfulLover
Not long ago, it made the news when Norwegian police had to arm themselves. Now they usually are armed, or guns locked down in the car.
fbastian7
Well they don’t seem to fire any warning shots in the US so they probably would make headlines there, too. Just for different reasons
jekath
That's a very valid and sad point. I guess it could be like six warning shots. In the back.
TheRockDude
six? try 40, from 3 different officers. also serves as "warning shots" to anyone who might've been in the vicinity
PlanetForScale
In the US police are not allowed to fire warning shots.
gloriousgabro9000
Of course, criminal waste of ammunition. Only shoot to kill is allowed
Salpinus
What????
PlanetForScale
They are trained to only draw their weapon if they intend to shoot and only shoot to kill. They are trained to keep firing too.
Rarefiedhawk
Not shoot to kill. No one is trained that way aside from military. Not even military police are trained that way. You're trained to shoot1/2
Rarefiedhawk
Warning shots can be more dangerous for other people. A 9mm travels up to 1800 meters. If shot at a threat but missed on purpose that 1/2
Rarefiedhawk
Could hit some random person who had nothing to do with what was going on.
Bmxrider70763
The us cops spend half as much as china's ENTIRE MILITARY does. China has way more people than the US. What are you on about?
UneventfulLover
What, exactly, do they spend that on? Fighter jets and aricraft carriers?
Rifneno
China's not on the chart. Christ, Imgur, you never stop finding new ways to sound dumb...
Wmcmwa
Oh the irony
BlacknCrimsonRose
Guy posted in the wrong comment chain is all.
Asterus
ITs NoT PEr CApiTa.
HeyItsJP
You know percentages are pretty important in statistics, right?
loma45
If you want to have a meaningful comparison, per capita numbers are pretty important.
Coreation
Incredibly important, if you want to convince someone just by throwing numbers, you're a fool. Saying it's ~25 times as high as other
Coreation
similar countries, that's significant and correct.