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There are some on both sides that don't seem to get this
Jun 30, 2020 4:52 PM
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Dapsters
I've seen (and experienced first hand) a lot of pro-black people that were definitely anti-white. But I'm not dumb enough to think 1/2
Dapsters
2/2 the few interactions I've had describe the entire movement. Those people aren't worth your time
graffglobal9
Blm is about focus, not exclusion.
CENTURIATOR
I'd love to watch the reaction to a picture of a white guy holding up a sign saying "Pro-White is not Anti-Black."
Dogsdontwearpants
What is the purpose of being pro-white? I understand pro-black since it’s countering society historically deeming them inferior.
Goddamnitmisterrnoodle
megavolts
Then one can assume the same logic with "Pro-white is not anti-black"
stupidshrimpy
However, pro-black does mean anti-white-supremacy. If anti-white-supremacy means anti-white to you, that’s a problem.
Idontlikeolives
I'm not "pro" any race. Its ridiculous to be pro- anything you can't control. Its like being Pro-Shoe size.
madspinner
Depends who you ask.
Loudscreamingorganism
Pro-Black?! I didn't know you could go pro with you're race. Im definitely still an amateur white. ?
Loudscreamingorganism
Self correction; your**
PenguinNamedWobbles
Well he did say he was amateur.
Loudscreamingorganism
I did ^.^
sabbacca1982
Youll get called up soon
swatz
You gotta buy the DLC, noob!
SeekyTheFox
IDK why we do not just change the movement to Anti Police Brutality... not sure anyone disagrees with that chant.
Dogsdontwearpants
Because racial profiling is part of it.
SeekyTheFox
Race has nothing to do with a cop that is high on power.
Dogsdontwearpants
If you think Black Americans aren’t disproportionately profiled and harassed by law enforcement you’re living in a fantasy world.
doublesnake
Next time you see a college scholarship for just for white people post it back here.
sahatut
Oh, really? So pro white is not anti black? Just let it sink for a while...
TheDreadPirateJayneCobb
BrilliantButCowardly
Yeah, she’s right tho...
TheDreadPirateJayneCobb
It is possible to be both correct and harmful. Think big picture, think repair in the broad sense.
winchent
heyletsbefriends
MadMupp
And pro white isn't anti black.
morelikeconsham
When white people are, as a race, not oppressed, what exactly does being pro-white entail?
MyKillEdWord
YEAH!
PoppyEnchilada
So is "Pro-white is not anti-black" correct as well?
CENTURIATOR
NO, that would be impossible. You can not say you are pro-White. If you do, you are a racist.
TacticalDonutPatrol
Yes
Armored0Titan0
Historically speaking, no.
molotovb
In the context of the US in 2020, not really. There's certainly inequality going on, and it's generally accepted that blacks have a raw
molotovb
deal right now. If someone were to say "pro white", it would be hard to identify specifically what is needed for white lives in america.
DoublevBomb
Not in the context of how history has played out in practice.
SirBrendan
This is like comparing Black Power and White Power. When one of the groups is distinctly disempowered, the call to action isn't equivalent.
NitherNor
Even if the call to action isn't equivalent, the people who say either agree on everything but the skin color.
SirBrendan
White people can suffer for other things, like class dynamics. But we don't experience racialization for our whiteness. That context matters
morelikeconsham
When white people aren't oppressed in any way, I can't help but question what changes a "pro-white" person might want. I say this as a white
morelikeconsham
man - I see no reason to further empower the white race.
soundnote8
I mean, the western world is increasingly going full Animal Farm and erasing all kinds of indicators that white is a positive thing.
soundnote8
The mere issue that this gets asked? Again, proof positive. If someone says they're proud to be white, that someone would get asked why are
soundnote8
they so hateful, when it doesn't necessarily imply any kind of hate. How toxic is that, ultimately? In a world where any other ethnicity is
soundnote8
allowed and ecouraged to be proud of being that way in a simple, uncomplicated way, one just isn't allowed to. Some recently popular books
ditbujin
If both sides were on an equal footing this might work, but they're clearly not and "Pro-white" has been coopted by very anti-black groups.
thisisprocrastination
Just like Pro-Black has been co-opted by very anti-white groups. You just don't hear about it in msm.
SmugandFurry
Oooh, it's a secret? Who's after you?
thisisprocrastination
After me? No one, I don't belong to either side.
SmugandFurry
So, a completely neutral, All Lives Matter kinda guy?
aflarge
So it's not that you think it's INHERENTLY bad, you just don't trust that it wouldn't become anti-black?
chine
Become anti-black? Whiteness as a cultural concept was created to justify racism.
chaft
Didn’t know skin color was cultural thing
chine
skin color is only the surface layer of whiteness. The nazis didn't consider the Jews to be white
ManInTheBox21
Yes, like the black panthers.... wait....
Armored0Titan0
Are you familiar with Cointelpro?
ManInTheBox21
Yes. What about it?
Hotord
Pro-white usually means this
hollanderpolder
No it doesn’t. The world contains more than just the mighty US of A. In Europe pro white means pro Western democratic and free society.
Hotord
I'm talking about the USA. Not the entire world silly goose.
hollanderpolder
Well how should I know?
Hotord
apbadogs
And pro-white isn’t anti-black, see how that works?
Hotord
It is when it looks like this
Upvoter2000x
SO don't look like that.
apbadogs
Those signs don’t say “Anti-black”. *ducking*
Monkeyfighter
Except "pro-white" has a different context.
butsir
Is pro white anti black? And if so why? Genuine question. I'm sure the answers won't be a total shit show.
dsmegst
Because for too long, "pro-white" actually meant "pro-white supremacy." "Pro-black" does not hide a similar implication.
thisisprocrastination
It does in South Africa. Why wouldn't it also become that elsewhere, when "whites" become a minority?
PJVeddersGirl
I'm not sure that pro white is in and of itself. But, more often, it's used it a white power context.
Armored0Titan0
Because historically the guys who were the most vocally pro-white killed black people for being black. Kinda poisoned the well.
PJVeddersGirl
Are you pleased or disappointed the responses weren't a shit show?
butsir
Meh mixed bag.
Hotord
Pro-white usually means this.
kernelzklukz
But the word pro comes from "pros and cons". So no matter how you spin it, by definiton, it is saying the other is a con, or negative.
Upvoter2000x
So pro-black is racist?
kernelzklukz
No, but it separates people instead of unites them. Proof is that were talking about it right now.
Upvoter2000x
I felt very united with all my black friends in the 90s.. Now I'm afraid of being canceled if I say the wrong thing in front of one.
Upvoter2000x
and who knows what the "wrong thing" is now adays.
kernelzklukz
Just stop saying and doing things that separate us.
LORDCthulhu4life
How about not being anti-asian?!
Fordbot
Never!
Larktonguesinadicecup
I'd never be anti-asian. Not too smart. Wayyy too many of them. Pick on someone who can't hit back I say.
TheBrofessionaI
I agree with this. What I can’t get with is the whole “if you ain’t with us, you’re against us” rhetoric. That shit goes both ways fam
SmugandFurry
If you don't think Black Lives Matter...yeah...you're against them.
TheBrofessionaI
Huh??? On the contrary, mother fucker. Black lives DO matter. But just because I’m not out screaming 24/7 doesn’t mean I’m against them.
SmugandFurry
Then why are you screaming now?
icecreamdonkey
One can agree with an ideology without aligning oneself with a group. Back in 2017 BLM labeled white people as ‘recessive genetic defects’
icecreamdonkey
I agree that the police need reform and that black lives do matter but I won’t align with a group that has a hateful history and that isn’t
icecreamdonkey
Clear about where their donations go
SmugandFurry
I didn't say "agree with Black Lives Matter"...I said "agree that Black Lives Matter".
IvoryAS
I think this would have been avoided if you said "black lives matter" instead of "Black Lives Matter"
SmugandFurry
Or, if someone bothered to read before getting their panties in a bunch.
icecreamdonkey
With the capitalization it was a little ambiguous. I did say below that “black lives do matter” but I just don’t like BLMs history of hate
SmugandFurry
Uh huh
TacticalDonutPatrol
It’d be nice if people could start thinking about skin color the same way they think about hair color. Be proud of what you have, and know
Rattailjimmy
What about hair styles? I got a sick mullet.
TacticalDonutPatrol
Color has no bearing on a persons character.
thisisprocrastination
Yeah, but you're often labeled a racist today, if you think color shouldn't matter.
jurymen
Yea there's a reason for that.
KevlarKobra
What's the reason?
LordNergal
Considering "color shouldn't matter" is what MLK Jr. was advocating for with his Dream speech, this has very unfortunate implications.
thisisprocrastination
"If you have always believed that everyone should play by the same rules and be judged by the same standards, that would have gotten
thisisprocrastination
you labeled a radical 50 years ago, a liberal 25 years ago and a racist today." -T. Sowell.
madmardagan
You don't have to make these kinds of distinctions when you're just pro-individuals.
Fordbot
Or anti-everyone
thisisprocrastination
Don't forget, white silence is violence. You HAVE to make the distinction, or you're racist. Or that's the BLM view, anyway.
ShiftDragon
You shouldn't have to, 100%. Sadly, these if you don't point it out people who want to hate start grabbing their pitch forks.
madmardagan
That's critical race theory for you. I don't buy into it and I feel sorry for anyone that does.
TheKnowing1
Where's really confusing is we have a bunch of white people campaigning for their own slavery.
xKaraKx
Wat?
madmardagan
According to CRT, it's the only way they can prove that they aren't racist. A conundrum, yah?
Armored0Titan0
What slavery are you talking about?
DildoSwaggens
Reminder that, despite recent hype: being white is not anti-black.
babycheesehead
Apparently you’ve never been to a paint store
whydotheycometometodie
There are a lot more than 50 shades of gray.
scribethemad
something something FALSE EQUIVALENCY!!!11oneone
morelikeconsham
No one thinks that. You are just pandering to people who feel vilified when racism is discussed, which was already irrational behavior.
APairofDocks
Being white in some places is anti-black, like when you go to a Klan rally
philthechamp
What about all the issues with white people taking minority voice acting jobs? There are some cases where people feel that being white is
baronnapalm
Who cares? Voice work is one acting job where your skin doesn't matter. At all. Only the work you do.
philthechamp
A lot of people seem to care. Also I should have emphasized that I think it’s totally silly. Just bringing it up as an example
Fordbot
If all folks could only do roles based on their racial/social profile, it wouldn't be acting anymore.
philthechamp
I completely agree. I should have wrote /s
DenkDonker
There’s lots of downvotes to this, makes me wonder who is making up the Imgur community
morelikeconsham
I downvoted because it was a useless sentiment. No one is saying this. It's pandering to a white audience that feels vilified by sentiments
morelikeconsham
like "Racism exists in the US" despite the fact that there is no reason to feel vilified by that sentiment.
DildoSwaggens
The outraged gonna be outraged. Saying “not all honkies are evil” is worth (at the moment) 77 downvotes. ??♂️
andrnew2710
Ill argue that it is, white seems only meaningful to say you’re not colored. Otherwise you could just be American, Scottish etc.
KWJester49
There’s a difference between happening to be white vs talking about being white as though it is a unifying social group
andrnew2710
Ya you get me. Though 130 cha is not the way to have this discussion. The point is whiteness is as real as Santa- it has the pow we giv it
Fordbot
Isn't the arg that white has given itself great powr through colonialism and the institutions it built
andrnew2710
Ye, and that when whiteness was defined in the 16/700s it was def. as “not black or red”- it’s a subtractive and superiorizing identity
Fordbot
Although, I'm not sure that applies in, say, modern China, other large POC countries, or native white countries
Casually
I think with the number of white people at the protests that has become well known.
VinerialBlumpkin11
The people being assaulted and blamed for nearly everything wrong with black people would disagree.
MaterNyx
Yeah... everywhere. I live in an EU country, we had many BLM protests - and about 0.4% of our population is black.
hollanderpolder
We have zero blacks killed by cop brutality the last decades. 1 heart attack and 1 suicide by cop. Still the Dutch BLM cries wolf.
LuminousExpanse
in terms of sheer numbers, there are actually more whites supportive of BLM than blacks. proportionately to population, however, it's not 1/
LuminousExpanse
the majority. either way- that should be kept in mind at least when sending the condescending messages to "all whites"
IsntThatAaronic
I'm in Ireland and it's very strange seeing BLM protests with around two black people at the protests.
trinabeana23
Ughh I truly hate "political" things but I REALLY FEEL VERY STRONGLY about what I immediately said out loud to your comment (btw Im born ...
trinabeana23
Texan, grew up in Saudi going to British academy which may b why I felt such a strong need to reply) your comment NAILS THE PROBLEM W ANY...
trinabeana23
MOVEMENT "BLM" THAT SINGLES OUT ONLY ONE POV LIKE THE WORDING "Black Lives Matter" even the "Pride Movement" does not single out "GAY LIVES
NebulaSwitch
https://imgur.com/qAA2Vad
LuminousExpanse
and yet how often do i hear of the sentiment that we must "abolish whiteness" which, yes, is not the same as "being white" yet 1/
LuminousExpanse
concurrently one who is white is not able to ever stop being a part of "whiteness." this isn't going to work
StudioDerpster
The semantics are unfortunate, yet the point is that part of "white culture" in USA is indifference/suspicion of POC and issues they face.
DancesWithHedgehogs
Yes. Please upvote this.
LuminousExpanse
while at the same time there's the insistence that whites have no culture to begin with
StudioDerpster
At least that's my experience being raised white as a 80's-90's kid. "Color-blind" and all but also blame POC for all issues they face.
StudioDerpster
For example, the (mostly) unspoken idea that people in the ghetto or jail deserve to be there, because systematic racism was unthinkable.
LuminousExpanse
well, i personally never ended up with the "the poor deserve it" idea, but i was taught not to regard race as anything worth judging 1/
DamnedAustin
Nobody is saying that...
JustJoshinya9001
I’ve marched in protests and can tell you firsthand that some people ARE in fact saying that... not the logical ones, the extremists.
PJVeddersGirl
Plenty of people are saying that.
ringwood
"white silence is violence"
DamnedAustin
That's not a condemnation of being white. That's a condemnation of white people who view racism as "not my problem"
WorkerBey
That’s not anti-white. it’s anti-(white people not actively trying to dismantle racism) which you are probably also against
aflarge
and don't forget the other one, "this is not time for you to speak, it's time for you to listen to black voices"
WorkerBey
Do you really disagree with the idea that conversations about racism should center those who suffer from it?
aflarge
I believe a thought is equally valid no matter the color of the skin surrounding the brain that conjured it.
aflarge
Can you see how telling people to know their place, racially speaking, might be taken as "Oh, so YOU'RE a racist"?
Ireadtoomuch
People who need this saying to rationalize false exchange, being white and slightly uncomfortable is not what black people had to go through
OlderWiser
As per normal, it’s a mix. There’s anti-white blacks and anti-black whites. I think most people just want to live their lives.
NuclearBreakfast
This comment for the win
AlexiusCastrum
I just have an issue with people living their lives interfering with mine when they have no business doing so
cepacolusmaximus
“10% of any population is cruel, no matter what, & 10% is merciful, no matter what, and the remaining 80% can be moved either way." - Sontag
WyldStallynsRule
The thing is, for the oppressed to be able to "just live their lives" means that the privileged need to get uncomfortable and make changes.
OlderWiser
You’ll hate this but that won’t change a fucking thing.
EllEzDee
Wow you must be a fucking philosophiser.
OlderWiser
I like the philosophy of fucking.
EllEzDee
Well hoo-fuckin-ee lookit yall
OlderWiser
Calm down. You’ll blow a brain cell.
EllEzDee
AINT FUCKEN GOT NONE
TheRelevancyOfMyNameIsRelativelyIrrelevant
I'm an equal opportunity racist, i hate everyone equally.
whitemoonwillow
And you got Anti-black Black:
HeffD
Kiwibunny
I thought Uncle Ruckus was a 'white man with reverse vitiligo'? Wouldnt that make him just another anti-black white?
Angmoh
But theres always someone that wants to control other peoples lives, sad really...
Namorath9
Angmoh this is your mother speaking ... you need to clean your room right this instance young man!
SleepyKitten
All politicians
OlderWiser
That is a fact.
LordNergal
There's also anti-black blacks and anti-white whites. Race doesn't stop you from hating on a particular race.
Namorath9
a very wise philosopher once said ... cant we all just get along, He was a king among men
LordNergal
Didn't they say "No" and nail him to a stick?
gerf
No, he got beat by the cops which started a riot. Died a few years ago. We could use him now :/
LaserDolphin
I heard it put a good way. “It’s not blacks against whites. It’s everyone against racists. “
SooperStanky
Racist is a term that gets thrown around a lot these days when someone disagrees with someone else. It’s pervasive in the media and politics
SooperStanky
Very overused. I have faith that the vast majority of people are good. It isn’t always racist that someone else succeeds and you didn’t.
SooperStanky
Maybe that person lives in that house or has that job because they worked really hard? Studied really hard? Earned it more than me or you?
LaserDolphin
Oh I definitely don’t think the vast majority of people are good. I think people are inherently self serving and have to overcome that to be
CoconutPete1986
This makes sense to me
Cowfister
I think we can all agree, that crazed liberals are anti-white whites.
011235813
Nah
BrophessorX
Based in that logic, we couldn't we then agree that conservatives are nazi white supremacists?
Gerferkyerserf
Where are all these pro trump jackasses coming from these past few weeks?
Cowfister
The pay is pretty good.
wiltsjunk
Anti-blight wacks are ok though.
aflarge
Remember that 4chan troll campaign to post "It's okay to be white" flyers and social media flipped out EXACTLY like they hoped?
APairofDocks
Because it implied that the guy in this photo was saying it wasn't OK and that they needed to reassure that it was
aflarge
And I most certainly did not mute you, @DamnedAustin. I can't respond to your shit, either.
Donthaveitallupstairs
Been following DamnedAustin and HepatitisLee for months. Both just uberleft twats with no idea of how the world works.
aflarge
Didn't realize that's what it meant when responses can't be posted. I thought imgur was just a piece of shit. What a bunch of losers, lol
DamnedAustin
Something coming from 4Chan does not mean that it's use in the real world can never be bad. This is a tired excuse.
DamnedAustin
Of course, this coward muted me to prevent discussion.
DamnedAustin
https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/its-okay-to-be-white
aflarge
Damn white okay-ists. How dare they?
Komradekrampus
The issue is phrase got co-opted by white supremacists. So innocent at first, not so much now.
icecreamdonkey
White supremacists also use the same alphabet as me. If we let anything that a nazi uses be only theirs we won’t have anything left.
Komradekrampus
I am just explaining why people have a problem with it. How you chose to react is up to you.
icecreamdonkey
When I was a Pagan I worshipped the Asatru pantheon because my genetic lineage is from there. When nazis started using my religious symbols
NinjaPoopy
The fact that they even reacted to "it's ok to be white" is ridiculous. "Ok" would be the normal response.
WarKittyKat
It's not that it's not ok to be white; the question is why you feel the need to say it. The reason usually is either racism or trolling.
JudgementalMan
Do you know what a dogwhistle is?
igivetheinternets
People who use "dogwhistle" as any kind evidence are retarded
JudgementalMan
I can't believe you're so proud of being tricked and manipulated.
igivetheinternets
Please educate the minority on what racism is oh great white man...
Beanspud
Remember the ok sign is racist as well. Filthy commie. Utter such heresy!
sleepinggreenidea
Remember that 4chan MADE it racist. While saying "loljk". And winking a lot.
aflarge
Remember back before we gave 4chan undisputed control over our language, and we had the common wisdom of "don't feed the trolls"?
sleepinggreenidea
Remember how groups have ALWAYS had control over their own language & how white nationalists are a group? Remember how 4chan enabled them?
14November
If that wasn't enough of an eye-opener then what is?
aflarge
Oh yeah. If everyone had just said "uhh.. sure?" 4chan just would have looked like dipshit tryhards. Easily offended is easily manipulated.
aflarge
I don't think people understand how easy it is to make them look like dipshit tryhards. All you have to do is not take the obvious bait.
sleepinggreenidea
It doesn't help that 4chan keeps "pranking" people about racist shit, while also hosting & supporting racist shit. They're too Schrödingery.
sleepinggreenidea
It'd be one thing if eg Kpop Tiktok did this & everyone took it seriously. 4chan? They're almost always half-joking, but that cuts both ways
aflarge
Remember the old adage, "Don't feed the trolls"? That was before they established their symbiotic feedback loop with the crybullies.
gmreml132
So “white pride” is ok too? Asking for a friend.
Prometheusblu
You feeling left out?
Upvoter2000x
I'm proud of white western people for ending slavery. Something no other culture that I'm aware of was able to do.
senselocke
If you're white, you get the luxury of knowing where--irish, french, italian, etc. "Irish pride" is fine. "White pride" is not.
Upvoter2000x
I'm a white mutt (mixed with some African) Why can't I be proud of white, western civilizations accomplishments as a whole. After all, we
Upvoter2000x
ended one of the most heinous acts humans have perpetrated against each other since the dawn of time.. Slavery. That is very impressive.
Dudeitsausername
yes, it's ok. If people can shout "black pride" then you can shout "white pride"
MyKillEdWord
Yeah. Right. Good luck luck with that.
chine
the kind of people who shout the words "white pride" are racist and you know that.
ChilledOutEntertainer
It reminds me of Christianity how ostensibly being white is akin to being born a sinner and there's nothing you can do about it.
Fordbot
You can ask for forgiveness
Hotord
These friends?
Alfadorfox
Why does *anybody* have to be proud of the skin color they were born with? Be proud of your actual accomplishments, not accidents of birth.
Jusmar
Because identity politics has refined a humans worth down to the variables they can't control.
WittyAttemptAtUsername
i.e. racism , sexism, etc
Monkeyfighter
It is because in previous generations, there was shame to have a certain skin color. So the empowerment movement for it shifted to pride.
Monkeyfighter
As a kid growing up in a 95% town, I was ashamed to not be white. I was treated bad, beat up, had food thrown at me, etc. Took a long time.
ChilledOutEntertainer
If free will is an illusion, and a strong case can be made that it is, then it's just as senseless to be proud of your accomplishments.
Alfadorfox
A strong case? I'd like to see you make the case in court that you shouldn't be held responsible for your actions because free will is an il
ChilledOutEntertainer
The existence of free will is a fundamental premise in all legal systems I am aware of, so I'd fail in making that case in actual court.
Alfadorfox
lusion.
ChilledOutEntertainer
https://www.oxfordscholarship.com/view/10.1093/acprof:oso/9780198743095.001.0001/acprof-9780198743095-chapter-2
dsmegst
I think which group holds power is an important factor. Equal protection for minority groups and all that.
JesterActual
Is there *a* group that holds power? Or is it just a natural consequence of being the majority population.
dsmegst
It's a natural result in most cases. But there have been exceptions. Sparta, for example.
dsmegst
All this pro-white vs pro-black stuff ignores the real separation, the wealthy vs common man and the we are being pitted against eachother.
Caliban1972
Not really. It's a natural consequence of being the first group to attain the power, not being the majority population.
nseanconlon
Very true. Also true: Anti BLM is not anti black life.
Monkeyfighter
"Anti Black Lives Matter" is not "Anti Black Life" ...? Um...
TacticalDonutPatrol
He meant the organization BLM.
starshroom108
Why are people anti BLM if they want blacks to be okay though?
HelloMax
BLM was created by Marxists. Most people agree with the sentiment and follow it without knowing the true goal of the movement.
IcedCortado
BLM in Toronto is one such example. Some communications and actions that could be considered racists.
igivetheinternets
BLM isn't doing African American's any favors. They reinforce the violent/criminal black stereotypes and it's leaders are open Marxists
balasjones
Yes they marxist agenda is pretty alarming. But i think for many blacks in america they dont realize some of the damage done by the movement
balasjones
They rally behind the black empowerment aspects of the movement which are still very important and relevant to the country
WittyAttemptAtUsername
It's understandable. I'm curious where most black people stand on all the intersectionality jargon
WittyAttemptAtUsername
And do nothing to address the high rates of interracial violence, the number 1 cause of death among young black men
starshroom108
But this "fight" isn't about that, though. Can't we tackle a few issues at a time?
WittyAttemptAtUsername
Sure. I just question the logic of focusing on the issue which comparitively claims far fewer lives and
NitherNor
Did you mean intraracial?
WittyAttemptAtUsername
Yes, sorry
Entartika
What is Pro-White then?
photog
redzombie
apparently its racism lol
USSTrekky360
*Independent thought alarm* ?
evilcarp
Well its not the NBA.
hahaopossum
Not allowed, only race you can't be proud to be
Flexiblewarmth
Guilt is recommended.
charliemartino
Not anti-black
wiltsjunk
The NHL
bumblefook
Not for long probably. My employer is erasing anything "white" or 'black" from terminology
UniqueUsername87692
I hope you don't paint zebra crossings
Namorath9
i feel alot of that takes the form of ethnic nationalism, to be proud of your Italian or French heritage, or to be a proud American
PhilFromAccounting
the positive vs. negative scores on the replies here are a total shit show. wow.
noodlemcb
Ah... is this the downvote party? Yes it is - ok we’re at the right place!!
ExtraJudicial
Anti-non-Anglican
JackalopeElope
Fuck those spaghetti slurping motherfuckers!!! /s
DatTicTacDikDoe
Contextually, not anti black.
pierremane19879000
Washing machine program! But some people in US take it seriously
mikegregory
Imagine a fire truck spraying water on a house that isn’t on fire.
asmpsUnityDog
Like affirmative action continuing to promote and support women at university even though they are now the majority.
MyFavoriteDayOfTheWeekIsPizza
Not a statistical minority. It's based on the imbalance of power in a system and discrimination that results from that imbalance.
shouldhavemadebetterlifechoices
Racist
JackalopeElope
The reason language can be unsymmetrical is cultural context. Take "Black Power!"
JackalopeElope
During the coining of the phrase, terrorist and gov. both systemically and openly oppressed black and those who objected to the oppression.
JackalopeElope
The phrase was meant as a call to action to make further violence untenable to both the terrorist and the general public.
JackalopeElope
"White Power!" has been used by those who openly endorsed the oppression of black people and political opponents, often through terrorism.
JackalopeElope
Thus "Black Power!" is viewed as a call to systemic reforms to society, while "WhitePower!" is viewed as a call to terrorize your neighbors.
HUGHgReaction
Damn, I was just about to make that pithy comment but you beat me to it.
morelikeconsham
Given that whites are not oppressed in the US, then in the US, it is at best unnecessary (Don't be racist against whites!) or at worst
morelikeconsham
racist (Whites are better than other races!). If you are asking for other places where whites are actually an oppressed minorities, then
morelikeconsham
sure, you're fine.
wasdStar
You can thank the KKK for turning that into a controversial phrase.
AllGoodMeow
The Klan
AllGoodMeow
Oof. I hit the racists' snowflake button.
MyFavoriteDayOfTheWeekIsPizza
The default setting.
daniesza
White supremacy
heinzb
I think at the moment when clearly there is such a disadvantage to people in the black community its plain mean at best and racist at worst
NuclearBuddha
Blame the culture, I live this shit and people grow up taking to get ahead. That's the disadvantage, but if you really wanna go that route /
NuclearBuddha
Let's talk about how it isn't a race thing, it's because the old money left the communities to rot and built new ones. It's class, not race.
Tariovic
Most things are.
TeamToasterNeverForget
only a sith deals in absolutes...
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TeamToasterNeverForget
Not one me.. I'm a sith a perfectly okay with it...
DuelingBrothers
Jedi also deal in absolutes.
Shoumpue
Society
CountAiight
I think being pro-white and white supremacist can be different?
M4rt1nV
Maybe, not when when we're this much ahead of everyone else, I'd say.
hahaopossum
Good luck telling that to people
malbec
We need to take back the term “White Power!” Who’s with me!?
Imissthe80sandIwanttogohome
Buuuuut, not likely to be percieved that way!
ninjarabbit
It's poor form given the history. It's like getting the blue shell while in 1st place.
CrumbBubbly
Circumstance, context and intention help a lot
Popspoppingit
And yet no one takes that in to account.
foxatomic
If you happen to be fortunate enough to be given the chance to state your stance.
LordNergal
Can be, but usually are not. Give it a few decades.
Popspoppingit
This guy
LordNergal
And someone replies with a weird comment after putting me on mute for some reason. Meh.
RideTheStimutacs
The difference is that white people generally have an idea of what specific heritage they're from and can celebrate that.
RideTheStimutacs
White has no centralized culture. Irish or Polish pride, fine. But if you're black in Western culture it's basically "I dunno, Africa?"
Popspoppingit
Sounds like you just said the same thing twice. Because you did.
RideTheStimutacs
Africa isn't a country.
Goldenmantic
Most American are a mixture of German/Irish and who know what. It's getting harder to trace roots back. I doubt many have much connection.
malbec
Who cares what your roots are beyond your living relatives. Define yourself based on who you want to be.
Goldenmantic
No that is necessarily a bad thing. I find being a mutt rather liberating. I'm American, not anything else. But identify is a tricky thing.
swatz
hahaha, nope. Most white people I know are mutts, fine with it and just happy to be Americans. We're so fucking mixed it doesn't matter. <
esdrujula
oh hey :) mutt here. I've moved so many times I don't even have a state. lots of respect & love for those who feel lost and unrooted in US.
swatz
>they pick their heritage by state in the U.S. more than real deep roots. Say for example a dumbass that says 'go back where you came from'<
swatz
>would obviously been thinking their roots are american or born in that state and not knowing much about their real family roots.
libaf
You need to ask why someone would need to be pro-white. Are white people overwhelmingly victimzed or lacking representation somehow?
Lamech777
So does a group have to be overwhelmingly victimized or lack rep before they can be pro themselves?
Wmcmwa
Im pro me as a person but the colour of my skin isnt a contributimg factor in that. If i were being persecuted because of it...
Dxb105
In most social circles being white means you cant have an opinion on race. Personally I went to a school where white kids were the minority.
bluemagister
In group preference is a natural biological thing.
hahaopossum
So what, an I not allowed to be proud of my skin color?
hep0710510
Not likely in the USA. But they are a minority in some places, and it's very common that minorities are targeted by racists
duckandmiss
They were a minority in South African and still ...
Bonovox4043
In the current environment, definitely!!
DancesWithHedgehogs
For clarity, to what environment are you referring?
Bonovox4043
The straight white male has become the most vile person on the planet...in MANY peoples eyes.
CountAiight
Disclaimer: I am white and a student of history. white people have no moral high ground. Having said that being pro-white is not mutually-
CountAiight
Exclusive and white supremacy is. If we are only talking etymology. Black Lives Matter. ACAB. Trans rights matter.
Donthaveitallupstairs
Jesus Christ shut up.
Clarissimus
How can a race have a moral high (or low) ground? I am absolutely not responsible for the deeds of everyone who shares my skin color.
guamarama
You’ve benefited from ur forefathers. There’s a distinct difference between responsibility & accountability. You should take accountability
Clarissimus
Nor should I claim any credit for the good things done by those who look like me, past or present.
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duhleted
All humans matter
feedthelynx
It's a little hard to have anything pro(insert culture) when there are this many people Actively (and passively, closet racists) trying to1/
feedthelynx
use any and every aft they can to suppress other races. There actually are many good things about China, but with all they do, how can you2/
feedthelynx
conscientiously support being proChina right now? Even that ungodly f$#@ Hitler did a lot of good for his country, but it is outweighed by3/
feedthelynx
his evil. As much as it may suck, there's no easy way to support the caucasian melting pot in the US without it being tainted by the evil 4/
feedthelynx
that is present. Once people of all color, creed, orientation, and religion can live in the same threat free lifestyle as whites- you know5/
feedthelynx
*act, not aft. My bad, nothing aeronautical to see here, move along, move along...
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JustJoshinya9001
I wouldn’t say “usually.” That hag is a loud, far right disgrace. She doesn’t represent all or even most white people. We’re not all bad.
TapiocaMartini
Unfortunately, she represents 20-40% of the US population.
JustJoshinya9001
Right, an admittedly loud and obnoxious minority. Regardless, using the word “usually” wouldn’t be very accurate. Thanks for agreeing.
Hotord
That is a strawman, no one is saying all white people are bad. And the vast majority of pro-white people are racist.
JustJoshinya9001
Lol how is it a straw man? I’m not defending her point of view, I’m condemning it. But you can be proud to be white without being a cunt.
Hotord
I've heard this all white people are bad argument before. Its a red hearing. Almost no one thinks that way.
JustJoshinya9001
Also, there are people saying all white people are racist. I’ve experienced it firsthand. I know they aren’t logical people, but they exist.
TeddyMoment
I think it's a type of toothpaste
pareidoliaperson
Make yer tooth superior! *Only works if you brush daily for 7 weeks.
propaROCKnROLLA
fullerslondonpride
I wanted to say that.
leastfourcharacters
Hahah I love you
BreenW
Too late. Even toothpaste has been dragged into it. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12341514
noReallyIamPrincessBob
Ba-dum, tssssssh
TheOtherLebowski
This shit right here, yeah man.
ImguritisIsNotCureable
Amazing <3
Donkey1521
I came here to say “I think it’s a teeth whitening kit”. Nice job on the comment. +1
CableGuyLover
PlasticFicus
Best comment ever
felapano
Hellbat666
HAHAHAHAHA GOLD!!!
Mimicyu
That gave me a good chuckle, please take my upvote
gamblingpoet
Historically, "Pro-White" is anti-everything else. They want to keep neighborhoods white. They want to keep families white. Being white has
gamblingpoet
never been a negative thing for the most part. They want to uphold traditions and stop progress. That's what being "pro-white" is about
adougslife
And being pro-black is the same thing but minus the "tradition"? Do you want equal rights or black tradition?
gamblingpoet
No, it isn't. And you won't understand why it isn't because you probably don't believe that systematic racism exists and a problem.
NuclearBuddha
Living in a black community the only "systemic racism" is that the old money fucking left and built new fancier communities, that's it.
adougslife
Fuck tradition
JaguarOnMtOlympusPlayingALesPaul
If whites had been systematically oppressed, it would mean the same thing as pro-black. It's all about context.
KingKelloggTheWaffleHaggler
Jews.
Eunoia89
Well, it would be different if BLM was fighting the ones actually oppressing them - not white ppl, but DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS
NuclearBuddha
Looking at my mayor right now, and governor... literally encouraged riots on TV in a black neighborhood, then only sent the cops in when /
NuclearBuddha
They started to move to different neighborhoods.
bjorklund
So can the Irish claim this?
JaguarOnMtOlympusPlayingALesPaul
Irish is not a color.
igivetheinternets
Technically black is also not a color nor are there people with black skin or white skin
kinggavman
Shhhh don't bring logic into this people don't react well.
JaguarOnMtOlympusPlayingALesPaul
That's not logic, that's deflection.
FireGodTheOG
What it is is a damn good point. Do some research bubaroo
dontstoretheketchupupsidedown
I'd say yeah sure if they were the race/nationality that's hugely in focus right now. No?
bjorklund
Show me one area in which a black man is not afforded the same rights as a white man in the US
dontstoretheketchupupsidedown
Feel free to research systematic racism or institutional racism. Or read up on Jonathan Kozol's work
MyFavoriteDayOfTheWeekIsPizza
Institutional racism. So, all areas?
WhatSayYouCitizen
Apparently, racist.
andthenthat
Apparently?
jurymen
Just something racist tend to say a lot.
N0ticeablyFAT
Historically, in the US, yes.
dontstoretheketchupupsidedown
Eh. I don't think so. I think being ONLY pro-white is, yes. But if you're pro-white and pro-everything-else, then aren't you for equality?
Jumbocactuar
yep
Lobuttomize
Express that opinion to the wrong person and you're donezo
dontstoretheketchupupsidedown
I'm seeing that right now in this comment section lol. Downvotes but no one expressing a contrary opinion, only support. Oh well
Fuckme721
Man, it's crazy how I've met so many people who think racism against white people isn't real. You see it on imgur often too.
dontstoretheketchupupsidedown
Oh good it's definitely real. But I mean you agree that the problem right now in the nation is with people of color, right?
PurpleScubaDiver
If someone feels that they need to say "I'm pro-white" in already existing racist system, they are probably racist.
Prometheusblu
It’s always just a wild coincidence that whoever says stuff like is also a little racist
PurpleScubaDiver
I've only met white people saying that they are pro-white. And they all were quite racist. Maybe there are exceptions I didn't meet so far?
adougslife
Do you think that someone can be pro- black and not be racist? I trust you do. Then why can't someone be pro-white without being racist?
NoWonderImStillAwake
How is the existing system racist?
oscarmatic
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=How+is+the+existing+system+racist
BrilliantButCowardly
Do you *really* need to ask, at this point?
NoWonderImStillAwake
Yes, and the fact that you can't just answer is why I need to ask...
PurpleScubaDiver
A good question to ask Google, btw. Just as you wrote it or by keywords "structural racism".
meagainstthem
Bruh!
dontstoretheketchupupsidedown
Tbf I believe the system is most unfair on a socioeconomic level (ie public school funding, access to resources in poverty stricken areas) 1
MrMcFartington
This
dontstoretheketchupupsidedown
But unfortunately it seems to be a trend that the populations in these areas are overwhelmingly minority groups and it creates a cycle of 2
NoWonderImStillAwake
But how much do you think that has to do with the system being stacked against them in a racial way, and how much do you think it has to do
dontstoretheketchupupsidedown
Self-fulfilling prophecies regarding stereotypes (or partaking in illegal things to get $) due to circumstances, which become wrongly 3
Namorath9
well here is the question, who has it worse? rich blacks or poor whites? ... im going to get some popcorn, the rest of you can fight it out
dontstoretheketchupupsidedown
Hard to compare but a legit question! There really are a crap ton of variables.
NoWonderImStillAwake
I mean, in general talking about quality of life, a rich black person would have it better in America than a poor white person.
Phobos613
There are some on both sides that don't seem to get this
parrotPositivityDog
You really have to show me ‘the other side’. I haven’t never seen a black anti-white movement. Fake ‘both side’ is trolling.
demonsem3n
I think there's more on white ppls side that think BLM is anti white. Thus the response "ALL LIVES MATTER". I'm white and it's all I 1/2
demonsem3n
2/2 from white ppl in upstate NY. Such a gross misunderstanding of the situation
WittyAttemptAtUsername
People confuse the movement with the far-left ideology that all whites are racists and Western Civ is inherently evil
PleasantPeasantPheasant
I do dislike it when "white people be like" isn't followed by a statement about cheese or bad dancing :<
Prometheusblu
VindictiveBathToaster
The fact that we have sides is part of the problem.
DocWino
There will always be sides, it’s human nature. Dialog and respect between them is what’s crucial.
Wyldkat80
Could you say that Pro-White isn’t Anyi-Black?
Feralkyn
This is how I take it. Pride is one thing, b/c it's pride AGAINST ADVERSITY, not just for skin color, sexual orientation or w/e. But being
Feralkyn
"pro" something has a different ring to it. I couldn't say "I'm Pro-White" b/c it sounds like I'm promoting -being white.- The phrasing is
Feralkyn
not great.
unit47
Please stop both sides-ing. Some people think the earth is flat but there are people on both sides. So who knows the truth?
IvoryAS
But everyone ????? that one ??? to be superior in that case. that's not how it works.
Vitrifiedcurvluvr
TheEvenPrez
Nah they see it, but it doesn’t align with their agendas
sleepinggreenidea
Not necessarily. Some people are just very unimaginative and really do view rights as a zero sum game.
megabiteg
Like reddit ?
IvoryAS
Yeah, kinda.
CaptSchmidtGaming
try not to think of it as sides. and more just call out assholes as they are. even its your own family
ibeandrew
1/? I had to get off Instagram for that reason. I'm pro BLM but that doesn't mean I should have to feel ashamed of myself for being half
ibeandrew
White. Or told that I'm upholding a racist system or "privileged". Like dude I live in a 1 bedroom apartment and I work 80 hours a week.
ibeandrew
I'm over here trying to take care of my wife and be a decent human being. I promise I'm not bothering or taking advantage of anyone.
Ninjainslippers
I have a bit more sympathy for the side that has been and still is the victim of systemic abuse and oppression though.
jaboiLD
Yes but it’s important that acknowledge both sides are not equal. Most pro-BLM get that. Whereas most ant-BLM do not.
Dissipo
Then add it to the message! Tell people, inform!
InnerBushman
To many actually. ?
Feralkyn
I don't like the phrasing, myself. If you reverse the colors... Well. I get black/gay/etc pride b/c it has an unspoken "against adversity,"
Feralkyn
but just being "pro" something is not good phrasing imo.
Rayxzerox
“You had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people on both sides...”
Feralkyn
"We got tests that people doesn't know what's going on" another random gem from the T-bag, enjoy
ascrabblecat2000
So we only have two sides now? Two races? Lol
DougDeNasty
Leave CNN and FOX out of this!
IvoryAS
Why?
insomniapanda
There are many!
HatinS8N
And pro white. Isn’t anti-white
Misteree8
Sort of like wearing a mask isnt a fringe on your rights
DooksandPooks
people complain about movies not having enough different races represented in them, but the movies are period pieces or in a certain country
Ahridan
Yep, Terry Crews is saying this right now and is getting alot of backlash for it. He is wording it as BLM cant become BlackLivesBetter
ImNotStalkingYouBTWYoureOutOfMilk
Black supremecists are a much bikkger problem than their white counterpats purely because nobody is calling them out on it.
SovietSpikerFromHell
damn right!
ChicagoStyleDotHog
How many people have black supremacists killed in the US? How many are in law enforcement?
ImNotStalkingYouBTWYoureOutOfMilk
Probably a lot more than you think, cause iirc most black deaths occur at the hands of other blacks.No info on how many were "race traitors"
ChicagoStyleDotHog
That sounds insane. You sound insane.
Dogsdontwearpants
Elaborate pls. Who are these black supremacists? Is it just some ignorant people or are they getting ppl killed like white supremacy has?
robsprocket
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_organizations_designated_by_the_Southern_Poverty_Law_Center_as_hate_groups#Black_separatist/nationalist
DocWino
Nobody seems to care about hate groups unless they’re white.
W1LDCAT44
That weird cause I'm not seeing the domestic terrorism and violence form "Black supremacists"
jbilly90
Sad there shouldnt even be sides
DocWino
There is equal racism on both sides. People need to quit teaching it to their children. Chris Rock does a very racist routine about it.
Dogsdontwearpants
Of course there is racism on both sides but how can you pretend it’s equal?
DocWino
How can you not?
CoconutPete1986
Because racism is racism...people should be judged by their actions. Saying one is worse than the other doesn't accomplish anything.
Dogsdontwearpants
The actions of racist people can be vastly different though and every group isn’t affected by it the same.
Dogsdontwearpants
Someone murdering people because they’re racist is not equal to saying something offensive just because you’re ignorant about something.
CoconutPete1986
I agree, but lumping people into a group in the first place is the problem. We are all individuals with our own principals.
MaterNyx
Right. And as long as that's the case, history will continue repeating.
SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE
We're not repeating history. Just the parts that sucked.
qwkhyena42
BigDickJesus
Can't believe someone pulled a "both sides" and no one brought up trump
LinesOfCokeWithSnowman
i cant belive the righteous imgur didnt chastise this guy
YouExpectedAUsernameButItWasMeDio
This is small dick jesus energy
wellwhattime
Pro white is not anti black
Titty5prinkles
true right now we need to just focusing on a level playing field for everyone. Why focus on colour, our true rivallry is boys vs girls
VodkaReindeer
Doesn't have to be, but usually seems to be, considering the folk who say they're pro white.
wellwhattime
Because people get eviscerated and associated with KKK if they are so theyre simply silent about it
nonCanadianGoose
Some of the ppl saying “All lives matter” want to bring attention to the abuses of their own race, but are getting called anti-black for it
Kamasu0Tra
If your house is on fire and you ask for help, but I pipe up and say all houses matter so I should also get help, is that a good look?
minotaur5150
Thats cause Black Lives Matter is not saying any other lives dont matter. Its not BLM MORE, its just BLM. It should be an easy thing to say
Beleg7
Because the only time anyone says "all lives matter" is to shut down people who say "black lives matter".
AShartInTheWind
Because the "All lives matter" movement is basically telling black people that their plight doesn't matter and they should fuck off.
ratfaceddog
Bullshit.
IvoryAS
T̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶r̶e̶p̶l̶y̶ ̶d̶o̶e̶s̶n̶'t̶ ̶a̶p̶p̶e̶a̶r̶ ̶v̶e̶r̶y̶ ̶w̶e̶l̶l̶ ̶t̶h̶o̶u̶g̶h̶t̶ ̶o̶u̶t̶
ratfaceddog
I gave it as much thought as it warranted.
nonCanadianGoose
Overreaction has silenced others again. What can native Americans, Asians, aboriginals say to bring attention to their plight?
ratfaceddog
You know what they don’t say? “All Lives Matter,” which is specifically a reaction to Black Lives Matter.
nonCanadianGoose
They can say nothing at all, to be ignored as before. The shaming of what an equal & inclusive statement, should make us think harder.
Bmxrider70763
Saw a group of black guys yelling at an interracial couple over a megaphone yesterday. They didnt like a white man with a black girl.
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LadiesInboxMeYourInsecurities
I agree but considering the context of replying to a comment about people on both sides not getting it I don't think the comment does that.
nickdillinger
Fair
NottaAlien
could have been black hebrew wack jobs. there were some in Houston preaching on the street that i was a nephilim for being white. weirdos
NottaAlien
are found everywhere
TheChosenOne37
But it's fine for a black guy to be with a white girl
meatpopsicleinurmenge
Classic Clash of the Clans https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kWm7bT5LnTI
parrotPositivityDog
It is also common in minority males. They always feel ‘missing out’ when it comes to dating.
StewedTomaters
Yeah, and I saw a group of white dudes rolling around in golf carts shouting "white power" yesterday, too. Neither you or I were at a
StewedTomaters
protest yesterday. The difference is that when I was, I was feet away from the spot where a cop killed an innocent black man, and you were
StewedTomaters
on your phone.
TheSchizoShow
How you know so much about me fren?
hollanderpolder
They like blonds though....
catfoodstudios
pretty common - women that date outside their race are often seen as less reputable and men dating outside of their race as the invader
Bmxrider70763
That's how I like it. I prefer to mix in a little misogyny with my cup of racism in the morning.
catfoodstudios
Yep, tag team for the win (or in this case terrible loss)
letmesetthisstraight
Folgers racism? Or do you like artisanal locally grown racism?
Taxicat
Then maybe they need to take a closer look at how they’ve been treating black women, because oh boy, is there some serious >
whydotheycometometodie
Buffalo Soldiers were awarded Medals of Honor for the genocide of natives before, during, & after the Indian Wars & the Indian Removal Act.
vybafnout
Then they should be treated the same as all the white people who participated in the genocide and displacement of indigenous people, right?
vybafnout
Which brings us right back to, uhhh, here. Where we started when you made that unnecessary comment to try to detract from the what's going-
EVILtheKAT
Shhh! We’re not supposed to talk about that!
Taxicat
>”misogynoir” making the rounds there! And attacking black women for dating outside their race is part of it.
ProfessorVanDiggenSagg
Thing is, they're not even dating outside their race. There's only one human race left. One. Racism exists, Race doesn't.
Fuckme721
This is the true true.
BerwynBrewyn
It's all right to be white.
frenofafren
Stoopid Flanders.
Beleg7
*alt
jurymen
Why do you feel the need to say that though. No one's saying it isn't. People are saying they don't want to be killed for not being white.
BerwynBrewyn
Some people are indeed saying that it isn't.
jurymen
Just realising this is probably just some joke/reference i'm missing isn't it.
Prometheusblu
It’s a white supremacist slogan
jurymen
So why is that here with 19 upvotes then.
Prometheusblu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_OK_to_be_white
CENTURIATOR
Just as long as you feel very guilty if you are white and renounce your whiteness.
ProjectSatan
jesus christ you dont have to do that either. just recognize that things were easier for you because of decisions of past generations.
CENTURIATOR
All lives matter.
ProjectSatan
you're missing the point. why dont you do a little research on the subject before you just start saying things.
Dogsdontwearpants
Oh fuck off you twat
BerwynBrewyn
Everything is easier for everyone alive today because of what transpired throughout history.
ProjectSatan
yeah, like when soldiers returned from WW2 and were given discounts on home loans, unless you were black. then you get nothing.
BerwynBrewyn
This is called a non sequitur.
ProjectSatan
remember while white people were building equity, black people were still fighting for equality.
BerwynBrewyn
I'm talking about technological and social advancement over the millenia.