I (a Canadian) was in the US a few years ago and saw a whole bunch of fear-mongering commercials about Canada’s medical system. They were all ridiculous.
Do I pay more for my alcohol because it has taxes on it going for healthcare? Yes. Can I walk into any hospital or doctor’s office and have multiple procedures done snd have a long hospital stay and pay $0 at the end? Also yes. I’ll pay the extra $10 on my rum for peace-of-mind healthcare!
How insurance works in my country (an actual shit hole of a country): you pay a small amount monthly, in case you do need a medical procedure or if you need to see a doctor. Insurance pays for all of that up to a certain amount of money. There is a max per procedure, and a max per year you can use. You don't pay anything until you hit either of those limits.
Last week I learned what Americans defined as "co-pay", and I was honestly shocked at the concept.
the co-pay exists to discourage insurance client from stsarting the process that will be tied up in the courts untl they die from ythe ailment that they are insured against.
Most dystopian thing about my visit was all the drug commercials casually mentioning the side effects that include stuff like dying from diarrhea, as if that is just a normal thing that might happen.
Same with all the Wounded Warrior commercials. Those men and women gave up the hope of ordinary lives for love of country and the government couldn't care less about them. THose commercials are so much sadder for that fact than they are actually meant to be.
The best part is insurance automatically gets paid every two weeks no matter what, and they still ask for a copay or deny you. Imagine the lobbying that went into that
Or the sheer amount of drug commercials on American television in general. It's hilarious how the side effects always seem to be a more severe symptom of the thing it's trying to cure.
I get my healthcare at the New Orleans VA and it is the best care I’ve ever received. I have a “complex medical history,” and see several specialists. I take a lot of meds. But there is never a problem with any of it because everything is in-house, and the doctors notes, lab reports, etc. can be seen by all my drs. The people who do the scheduling can see my future appointments to avoid double-booking or more trips than necessary. This hospital should be the model for the entire country.
It’s not just the cost of healthcare that is breaking everyone’s back and spirit; it’s also the horrible inefficiency, how long it takes to get scheduled, having to request records be sent between different facilities, having to use multiple portals because the drs aren’t all in the same system, the list goes on. U.S. healthcare is broken on every level, and everyone suffers for it, care providers included. Well, everyone suffers—except the goddamned politicians.
Yep. Not recognizing there are degrees. They slippery slope things until all bad is equal. Annoying. Just gotta be blunt when the guys you support do something dumb. Nuance gets destroyed. Important conversations about what even people you vote for do gets muted. I hate it.
Typo notwithstanding, the point is we shouldn't have to rely on charitable donations for St Judes and should in fact just publicly fund it and other medical programs. St Jude is a wonderful organization, but should not be necessary.
I don't know what you're talking about - I've needed to see a specialist since March and my appointment is already almost here in mid September, that's only 2.5 more months of constant pain and numbness! AND it's only 1.5 hours from my house! 6 months of not being able to drive, work, or do most of my hobbies has been SO. MUCH. FUN. And my MRI only cost me $540 and only took 2 appeals to get approved even though 2 Drs confirmed it. Definitely how things should work! So efficient!
Yeah, when you go to the ER because a NP thinks you're having a heart attack the doctor has to look at you. And then they admit you to the hospital because you're in tachycardia for hours (among everything else). Still getting bills after 3 months.
Your story, like so many others, is testimony to why the whole thing needs factory reset. I don’t think any of this ever gets legislated away, and I am tired of seeing people suffer needlessly while our reps are on paid vacation.
No it wouldn't. MRI machines and the techs that run them and interpret scans are expensive as fuck, people who pay out of pocket in Europe wouldn't even pay that little.
PunnyTiger
but won't anyone thhink about the shareholder yachts that insurance company clients are selflessly dying in agony to pay for?
ihatedmyoldusername
yes we are
emu314159127001
What "we all" are you talking about?
DonmeccaYYZ
I (a Canadian) was in the US a few years ago and saw a whole bunch of fear-mongering commercials about Canada’s medical system. They were all ridiculous.
Do I pay more for my alcohol because it has taxes on it going for healthcare? Yes.
Can I walk into any hospital or doctor’s office and have multiple procedures done snd have a long hospital stay and pay $0 at the end? Also yes.
I’ll pay the extra $10 on my rum for peace-of-mind healthcare!
camn333
How insurance works in my country (an actual shit hole of a country): you pay a small amount monthly, in case you do need a medical procedure or if you need to see a doctor. Insurance pays for all of that up to a certain amount of money. There is a max per procedure, and a max per year you can use. You don't pay anything until you hit either of those limits.
Last week I learned what Americans defined as "co-pay", and I was honestly shocked at the concept.
PunnyTiger
the co-pay exists to discourage insurance client from stsarting the process that will be tied up in the courts untl they die from ythe ailment that they are insured against.
Johnsky
America is the part of the world that god, and everything good and holy, forgot about decades ago.
RthereKittynadosN2020
A $12,000 out of pocket for 1 calendar year!
BrengKapiteinKoekTerug
Most dystopian thing about my visit was all the drug commercials casually mentioning the side effects that include stuff like dying from diarrhea, as if that is just a normal thing that might happen.
Jwhite777
Same with all the Wounded Warrior commercials. Those men and women gave up the hope of ordinary lives for love of country and the government couldn't care less about them. THose commercials are so much sadder for that fact than they are actually meant to be.
heyboh
The best part is insurance automatically gets paid every two weeks no matter what, and they still ask for a copay or deny you. Imagine the lobbying that went into that
williamshakesbeer
Or the sheer amount of drug commercials on American television in general. It's hilarious how the side effects always seem to be a more severe symptom of the thing it's trying to cure.
CuppaJeaux
I get my healthcare at the New Orleans VA and it is the best care I’ve ever received. I have a “complex medical history,” and see several specialists. I take a lot of meds. But there is never a problem with any of it because everything is in-house, and the doctors notes, lab reports, etc. can be seen by all my drs. The people who do the scheduling can see my future appointments to avoid double-booking or more trips than necessary. This hospital should be the model for the entire country.
Vallete
Who is most efficient in health care? Surprise, it’s the VA https://share.google/ShArORWDOiCSl7qF4
CuppaJeaux
It’s not just the cost of healthcare that is breaking everyone’s back and spirit; it’s also the horrible inefficiency, how long it takes to get scheduled, having to request records be sent between different facilities, having to use multiple portals because the drs aren’t all in the same system, the list goes on. U.S. healthcare is broken on every level, and everyone suffers for it, care providers included. Well, everyone suffers—except the goddamned politicians.
blaghart
No, but the people you vote for are: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/coronavirus-crisis-hasn-t-changed-joe-biden-s-mind-medicare-n1172361
netutoring
Uh-oh, be prepared for the ragers who complain anytime you point out that the blue side ain't always helpful, either.
jethroismaxbaer5772
I see the mocking "both sides" will be on its way soon.
netutoring
Yep. Not recognizing there are degrees. They slippery slope things until all bad is equal. Annoying. Just gotta be blunt when the guys you support do something dumb. Nuance gets destroyed. Important conversations about what even people you vote for do gets muted. I hate it.
blaghart
that's by design. If they acknowledge the Dems collaborate with fascists they have to acknowledge they aren't the good guys
WellThatsOriginal
Before St. Nudes child cancer survival rate 20%
After St. Jude child cancer survival rate 80%
Draygen
Typo notwithstanding, the point is we shouldn't have to rely on charitable donations for St Judes and should in fact just publicly fund it and other medical programs. St Jude is a wonderful organization, but should not be necessary.
Idontspellcheck
I'm sorry - St. who?
NinjaCongo
Patron saint of thirst.
bambulina
We don't let that saint work at the children's hospital anymore...
WillCorrectInaccuraciesForFood
Username does not check out lol
agonarch
Isn't St. Jude the patron saint of lost causes? Isn't that a real bad choice in this context?
...well now I'm not sure which is worse. They're both christian so that's a pretty big risk with the nude guy.
WellThatsOriginal
LMAO.... Oops!
CloseupCaptionReaction
Oh nono no no no, you're not getting off that easily!
WellThatsOriginal
CloseupCaptionReaction
Well, that's original
HeroofTimeampersandSpace
Send Judes!
SimSimSimsalabim
https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1dnZ6ajQ5cTUzaWxoMGcwbXo3OGFlanl4Ym1leDQyamwxaHE2YnRtbCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/mC1MdlX27PRx3pLTnG/200w.webp
ThatOtherGirlYouKnow
My second cousin!
VolcanoHerder
I don't know what you're talking about - I've needed to see a specialist since March and my appointment is already almost here in mid September, that's only 2.5 more months of constant pain and numbness! AND it's only 1.5 hours from my house! 6 months of not being able to drive, work, or do most of my hobbies has been SO. MUCH. FUN. And my MRI only cost me $540 and only took 2 appeals to get approved even though 2 Drs confirmed it. Definitely how things should work! So efficient!
liveOffOfDownVotes
you get to see a doctor? lucky
VolcanoHerder
Yeah, when you go to the ER because a NP thinks you're having a heart attack the doctor has to look at you. And then they admit you to the hospital because you're in tachycardia for hours (among everything else). Still getting bills after 3 months.
Eyeetsass
Your story, like so many others, is testimony to why the whole thing needs factory reset. I don’t think any of this ever gets legislated away, and I am tired of seeing people suffer needlessly while our reps are on paid vacation.
misterCT
Time for some more Luigi
TrippyTurtle69
I got a CAT scan in May and they charged my insurance $7400, of which I paid $1800. Can I get an MRI at your hospital instead?
VolcanoHerder
That's absolutely insane! If it's any consolation, this is what I paid having already met my yearly deductible. Maybe you hadn't yet?
PotatoPirateTheThird
$540 is actually a good price for MRI in the states. i needed one and they wanted $7k, and that's with insurance.
bhobby1212
Yea but if you paid cash it would be $42.
keebs63
No it wouldn't. MRI machines and the techs that run them and interpret scans are expensive as fuck, people who pay out of pocket in Europe wouldn't even pay that little.
PotatoPirateTheThird
i think the joke they're trying to make is the insurance paradoxically made it cost way more. and that does happen a lot to me too.