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tootsie87
If the minimum wage had stayed with inflation since 1970 it's be $20/hour
ThisIsYourLifeNow
Anfalicious
CEOs should absolutely make $15 an hour. They deserve it.
wellthisjustgotinteresting
This is absurd, a janitor doesn't deserve $15/hr. They deserve ten times that. People are disgusting.
ilovedogknots
steviEa
Ham slam
Sutashi
People like to use kids flipping burgers as a reason against this but ignore that many of thise kids are helping pay rent.
imilkgoats
Should CEOs make million dollar salaries???
cucharatorcida
Good question. Who should decide this? Based on what?
GreaseMonkeyOfLove
“I can’t afford a pay-cut that severe!” -CEO
adrianontherocks
My town has a minimum wage of $15. But I’m in an expensive part of California so honestly it should be like $20.
cucharatorcida
I don't know where you live, but I also live in a very expensive part of CA and I would have said $30/hour!
adrianontherocks
I was trying to be more realistic. But yeah $30 would be great.
ClimbCO
Pretty sure the point in brining up those jobs is to show it doesn't take experience or a degree to do them - not to disrespect them
qyrriqat
Funny how all three of those have pretty much been declared "essential" over the past year.
Truckin
True. In what way should a person benefit by working 40 hours a week?
Truckin
Food, shelter, medical care (and medication), clothing, education, and public transportation SHOULD be the basic. Yes even without a "job".
OBM1
"BUT THE SOCIALIST AGENDA!"
wes722016
We will be forever in this position until we adopt a monetary free civilization like Star Trek
MayhemKing
I am 100% pro-Star Trek. (Except for the Romulans and the Kardashians... Cardashians... CARDAS... you know what? Never mind. It stands.)
EveryNameIsTakenDammit
conservative: yes
STGxDante
It should be more didn't economists equate the original living standard of minimum wage today as $23/$26/hr?
SkunkMom
They did, but 15 is more than double the current min wage. It's a stepping stone towards progress.
STGxDante
I just hope they don't lock it in again. We need to keep taking leaps to get back up where we were before.
justanotherdoug
Fuck 15/hr. Needs to be closer to 20, especially in urban environments where rent is already close to 3k/month. Not including utilities
DickMercenary
They don't need a list. It's just "Anyone who isn't me can go get fucked and die."
Iizme
EVERYONE should spend some time doing retail, food service, and janitorial. Good to be part of HS diploma.
coolestnameever
A good question to ask the conservative is "why do you want those people to make so little?"
kadaeux
"Because it's better than slavery." = Don't have to feed them. Don't have to house them. Don't have to keep them healthy. 1/
kadaeux
Don't have to ensure they have access to water. Don't have to care about them in any way. And when they get sick or die, you just replace em
LeSethX
Not just conservatives, but also libertarians. Had an argument with one who thought if a job didnt provide an actual min wage, you should
LeSethX
get a second job rather than have the min wage raised.
Lynkfox
To which they reply: they should just get a better job. Sadly
16745
Which is the same as saying "while I deem the work necessary the person doing it should be poor".
soon
Because they see it as a zero sum gain. In their mind, someone has to lose so they can win.
MayhemKing
That’s not really conservatism. Conservatism—in the U.S. at least—is traditionally about a strong middle class.
EroticZombiePants
Conservatism in the US is "Fuck you, peons. I got mine. And my corporate masters need even more."
Sage042000
Well I hate to break it to you, but the conservatives of today who advocate for a stagnant minimum wage, union bashing,
Sage042000
/2 tax cuts for the rich, corporate welfare, right to work laws, etc couldn't give 2 shits about anyone making less than 100k/yr.
GadenKerensky
That idea died long ago. Anybody who could be considered a 'true conservative' is represented by a party that isn't. Their ideal is tainted.
MayhemKing
Traditional conservatives are now moderates and neo-conservatives are now apparently in support of overthrowing our democratic government.
MayhemKing
The people who are now labeling themselves as conservatives aren’t. They’re filthy King George loyalists and far-right assholes.
ThatLoserTheFourth
I just call them by their party name, Republicans. Conservatism is a political ideology/economic system, Republicans are a political 1/2
ThatLoserTheFourth
party that used to be conservatives at one point. Usually when I talk about conservatives, I preface it by saying "real conservatives" 2/2
MayhemKing
I find myself in 100% agreement with what you just wrote. And the past 4 years have scared the shit out of me. The GOP needs to go entirely.
EroticZombiePants
I don't think there's a single "conservative" politician in America that agrees with that.
MayhemKing
Times have changed. And a lot of those changes are working against the American public. And that is terribly unfortunate if not criminal.
EroticZombiePants
Modern conservatism is nothing but a cancer on society.
MayhemKing
What I’m trying to express is that it’s not conservatism. It’s authoritarianism. And that should scare all of us. The fact that it doesn’t
Camelspotting
Well no, they just said they wanted that.
Ulthirm
I was a custodian for a school at $7.25/hr. There wasnt enough money to pay us more, so increasing the wage HAS to be tied to deep diving
Ulthirm
into these institutions and making sure the funds are more equally spread. This isnt a bad thing, because I was the sole custodian for that
Ulthirm
building, it was one of the larger buildings in the city district. I had to choose between cleaning the blood out of the girl's bathrooms
Ulthirm
or the urine out of the men's bathrooms because I didnt have the time in the day to do both.
Ulthirm
This is why the men's bathrooms always seem to look so bad tbh, they get cleaned maybe once a week. The girls have to be cleaned daily (
Ulthirm
sometimes more) due to blood being a high biohaz. Its a bigger crime for me to ignore the blood.
Thisisasimplename
Playing devils advocate, if you raise the minimum wage to 15, suddenly your quarter pounder with cheese from McDonald's goes from $5 to $10.
SkunkMom
Devil's advocate requires an informed argument; other countries pay a living wage with tons of benefits and their prices are only slightlyup
Thisisasimplename
So in Sweden. McDonalds starts out at about 10 dollars per hours. Their quarter pounder by itself is 6.61 us dollars. Double the American
SkunkMom
Uh, source? Cuz this says different
thegringointhenorth
Fun thought experiment for quantitative things like min. wage per hour: How high would be too high for you, personally? Why?
oblimo
What if, instead of wages, the primary form of labor compensation was profit sharing?
StudioC2
I like this, but there still need to be a minimum somewhere and the distribution percentage would also need to be "fair"
XVUltima
Human beings should make $15 an hour. Even if they don't have a job.
Metallica93
Wealth redistribution is humanity's only logical way forward.
ShifuYaku
It's too soon for us to think about getting rid of money all together...
chaoslordjiro
Wealth redistribution is happening constantly. It's just that it's going from the poor to the rich. We need to reverse that.
NapoleonDynOmite
There's no fucking way the top 1% should have 99%of the wealth.
Metallica93
I understand that was probably hyperbole, but it helps to be accurate when combating arguments against it (i.e. they own ~35-45%, not 99%).
Comet260
I'd like to see us get rid of money entirely.
GODofHUNGER
And we can all go live in a hippie commune and dance with flowers in our hair for the rest of time
Comet260
Or.....invent warp drive and create the Federation.
Babybunz
As they say, “socialism or barbarism.” I’d amend to “socialism or climate apocalypse.”
Renzworth
At least with barbarism the stupid slowly get killed off. Maybe that's what the Great Reset meant
Metallica93
Barbarism doesn't care for your morality. That is not at all how that would work.
vcgetdown
It won't be the people who deserve it dying
Rabenzwist
Still, we will explore the other options first.
Metallica93
I haven't seen another option proposed that advances us as a species on a fundamental level. The things the .01% could solve are astounding.
EverythingImgurHates
How bold of you to assume the world population wishes to move forward..
Stolf
"Well yuh see when them thar civiizashun go kaput, muh gun an me gon' rape and murder is up a new kingdom! Yeehaw bang bang, New Murica!"
EverythingImgurHates
^unfortunately how half of America thinks.. the bottom half actually. (FL, GA, AL, ETC.)
Stolf
All heroes in their own feudal fantasy
CptRobotNinja
A significant portion of them seem dedicated to the idea of fighting to remain in a shitty situation
Comet260
Crab mentality.
EverythingImgurHates
It's a rather odd phenom, ain't it?
RDX2273
Every billionaire is a failure of policy
KleptoKea
American problems
Skpicky
I think the question is, people who worked hard to get to $15 an hour, how much should THEY make now?
redline6
Exactly!!!!!!!
fragya3000
More. They are also underpaid.
channelranger
With min wage spiking that much, presumably their employer would be forced to also give them a decent raise, or they might leave their-
Leithreas
Investigations have shown just this. Generally, everyone's wages increases. The increases do decrease as you go higher above the min wage.
channelranger
more difficult work for easier work that now pays the same.
Skpicky
Yes. The other people’s wages also increase. As do the cost of goods. Soon we’re right back where we started. It’s called “inflation.”
channelranger
Inflation is already happening. The problem is that the min. wage isn't tied to it at all, so it's been losing value.
Skpicky
There is no point to the minimum wage because most companies pay more than that anyway. Walmart pays $11.50 an hour minimum.
channelranger
Yes there is, it sets a wage floor. Setting it higher will necessarily increase the demand for wages *near* it to go up.
channelranger
in fact, by keeping it exactly where it is, we're allowing big corps to pay their bottom workers *less* each year in actual value.
JustBoone
Janitors should absolutely make more than 15 bucks an hour. I used to be a janitor, and people are fucking NASTY and we have to clean it up.
iftheworldsatlarge
People will pay someone to clean their clean house 40 an hour but a janitor? Psshh
Couchwarrior1337
I disrespected a janitor once and had to clean the halls of the entire school. Never again, and have always cleaned up litter since.
DavidBrooker
I was on a committee reviewing CBAs at my employer and, while custodial staff started at $20, I argued it should go up. They just their 1/2
DavidBrooker
ass, especially these days. (There are three unions at my employer, it was at a cross-union liaison committee, so not even 'my dudes'). 2/2
GrimReaper411
Garbage men too! They get nasty and see nasty. (Personal experience)
morrisseyroo
I've heard garbage routes are BIG money. So the garbage companies can very well afford to pay their pick up staff more.
RektalRazor
Not a janitor but I did have to clean up a Wendy’s after closing. One time, a shoe stuck to the ceiling with poop. I’m not sure how.
Clymenus000
My RESPECT to you and all janitors!!
TwoSeamer
Did that for college. Women's restrooms were 100x more nasty than men's
sharkhugs
They should AT LEAST get paid enough that it justifies the hazards of cleaning up feces, blood, needles, condoms...
Otteritup
Not just food and rent we need people to buy dishwashers and cars and all that shit.
powerpuff2567
I 100% agree. It’s what I do and People are nasty. It’s taken me 10 years to get to $15
stupidshrimpy
I cleaned toilets and locker rooms for about 10 yrs as a lifeguard. I think every human should hold a job that requires cleaning bathrooms.
stupidshrimpy
It would prob make people more considerate of how they use/defile public space. Kids in Japan clean their own schools to teach them that.
smokedsamon
A school janitor where I live starts at approximately 25/hr
BaxterTheMiniatureBuddha
Hotel housekeepers make shit for wages too. I've done various cleaning jobs, including janitorial, and housekeeping was the hardest.
BigDaddysMeatWagon
Thank you for cleaning up after our stank asses. Seriously.
ReverseTrapTsukasa
Fast food workers also. They are called upon to be a janitors randomly..I cleaned far too much trash, vomit, & shit when I "flipped burgers"
Babybunz
Janitors should make way more than congress judging by the value to society each provides
powerpuff2567
They should have to clean some public toilets
dunimal
Every damn day.
KanzenChowa
If a janitor has to clean a public bathroom then he deserves ceo money. People are fucking disgusting
STGxDante
Literally explosive bowels with 0 aim
dunimal
Fuck yeah. Who's the fucking congressional simp who downvoted this? JFC.
darkninja2992
Agreed. Janitors actually clean up messes
Z3r0fux0r
Shoulda made whoever took them on tours clean all the doody from the floors
sixhoursinacarwithmymotherinlaw
Without janitors, society would stop functioning. Fight me.
FlailosaurNuts
That was my first thought. Their job is terrible.
slaughterhouse4andahalf
I thought janitors did pretty well. I'm not an expert or anything, I just was friendly w building staff I met as a contractor, and they all<
slaughterhouse4andahalf
crankyoldgeezer
I love cities where the garbage men make more than the police.
yusra65
Is there a city where this happens? Legitimately curious
crankyoldgeezer
Lots, San Fran, NYC, Toledo
ThatShiftyMonkey
Toledo?
crankyoldgeezer
It’s actually common, while cities may pay a rookie $56k, new garbage men start at $64k. Even small cities nobody knows.
Raptor052
Because unlike the cops Garbagemen actually clean up the streets.
HunterHellquist
We got a 10-71 here, shots fired i repeat 10-71 shots fired.
Cheomesh
Do they not? Last time I saw an opening w/ pay for a janitor it was like 17/hr, and that was nearly a decade ago.
hidingbehindthisusername
Was a school janitor, made 7.50 when I started 8 years ago and ended at 10.50 last year. From 9 to 12 is what I see most around here, in TN.
Cheomesh
Ah, well that's TN, I'm told money goes further there. This would have been in Maryland.
SuedeDenimSecretPolice
Not nessasaraly. In 2018 I spent a winter making $8.00 as a janitor and housekeeper in a nursing home.
Cheomesh
Dang. I made that as a "maintenance guy" (read: cigarette sweeper and lightbulb changer) in 2005...
ArchangelTitus
In a fucking golf club I had to clean feces smeared over walls numerous times...IN A FUCKING GOLF CLUB. The women's lockers was the worst.
BaxterTheMiniatureBuddha
I think women are generally cleaner in our own homes. Maybe they view public bathrooms as a place to not give a shit for once. Still wrong.
littleeagle
Also, I’m sorry that you have to deal with that. I used to have to clean nasty shit at the pastry shop I worked in, ppl are nasty.
littleeagle
They have temp. outhouses built at the ski resort, there was diarrhea all over yesterday like they hovered and shit, ladies room. So nasty.
mooncactus
Why? Why do people feel the need to smear shit on the walls??
TwoSeamer
Did janitor stuff in college. Absolutely women's restrooms are the worst
Sage042000
Why do I always hear that? In general, I believe women are more neat/clean than men. But whenever I talk to someone that cleans for a living
Sage042000
/2 they always tell me how much worse the women's restrooms are than the mens'.
BaxterTheMiniatureBuddha
I've been cleaning my whole life. It is true. Men's toilets though, are ALWAYS the worst. You guys need more fiber or something. Blowing out
BaxterTheMiniatureBuddha
the toilet isn't normal.
letsgoriderkick
You probably always hear it because it's generally true. Piss everywhere, tampons stuck to the stall walls, the floors, the goddamn ceiling
letsgoriderkick
It's insane. That's not to say that the men's restrooms i've had to clean weren't bad, but goddamn