I always think about someone out there in New York City that was tripping their ass off at the time that the planes hit and they actually saw it...... They're never going to be okay again.
My girlfriend who was a senior in high school, I graduated the year before, skipped school that day to sin with me... The phone starts ringing over and over so I answer.. Her mom furious.. IS SHE THERE? So... that was awkward.
The moment this was taken, my little 23 yr old wife and I were in the car taking our dogs to the vet. Both of us had recently been laid off from our dot com jobs.
The main effect of 9/11 was to cripple America over the next 25 years. Without it we wouldn't have Homeland Security and all the atrocities that came with it.
The Patriot Act is around 340 pages long and we’re supposed to believe it was written from scratch and reviewed before being signed into law 45 days after 9/11.
Exactly. It's almost like bin Laden's entire plan was to fuck the US economy by getting it mired in a bunch of wars in the middle east. Terrorism won the war on terror
As a former mascot, he more likely got out of that thing the second the cameras were off and he could find a place to change (you never change in front of people, that's the first rule of mascot club). So he either missed it completely or saw it with his normal human eyes.
the only really significant thing about 9/11 was how it was leveraged into a series of warcrimes murdering millions, so unless he kept that costume on for the next few decades what he saw was a relatively insignificant event
The only really significant thing about the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand was how it began a series of conflicts that led to the rise of multiple world superpowers...
What a ridiculous statement. It was the catalyst for a myriad of global seismic changes in war, espionage, law, aviation, economics, demographics, migration, politics, causing the rise and fall of nations, some of which are still in the process of falling... The rise of the far right, fueled by unrest from mass migration, caused by instability in the mid east. Brexit etc etc.
Yeah being an event that galvanized those changes and impacts is kinda what makes it significant. It left a huge scar on the psyche of a lot of Americans (in particular the political class and the wealthy and powerful) that in turn enabled a cultural shift whose impacts are still unfolding
left a huge scar to most western country, Europe included. My country (France) has forever changed since 9/11 we have a thing called "Counter Terrorist Plan" that let the government does some thing they should not, but can in order to fight terrorists. France is in "Counter Terrorist Plan" since 9/11 and it has never gone, we're still today.
Fun fact : This is one of the reasons people think Paris is a dirty city (not only). It used to have a lot of trash cans and public service but since 9/11 they get ride/sealed every trash cans, and lately replaced it by a simple ring that hold bag (So you can see if there's a bomb ;)). So Paris lost a lot of trash cans and some public service forever closed. You need to pee ? Too bad for you. All thanks to the counter terrorist plan
i feel like mostly these are excuses for surveillance and not provide services. id say its an american disease, again the even t is being leveraged to do all kinds o horrible shit, the event itself is mediocre at best/worst
It's hardly unique to the US, it's something intrinisic to the state as a form of organization and governance. China does it, Australia does ir, the UK, Canada, France, Brazil, South Africa, Afghanistan, Belize and everywhere else has the pervasive thought in government that they ought to be able to see and track and know 'more' about the people in the country. And there isn't really ever a true stopping point, nor actual examination of what the real outcomes are vs the ideological ones.
I mean, 9/11 was the deadliest terrorist attack in human history, so it was already pretty significant even before the warcrimes we used it as a pretense for.
depends how you define terrorist. and no 3K ppl doesnt make it to top 1M events in world history. it was a fairly significant event in that year i guess? still not even top 1000
nelson mandela was on the terrorist list till 2008. that you unthnkinly use a term like terrorist without asking yourself f whether the US attacks werent "terrorrist" shows how efficintly they leveraged this event into brainwashing the pop
There are a lot of interesting and valid points to be made about whether the US also engages in terrorist strategies, and none of those things will get you even a tiny bit closer to making the point that 9/11 was insignificant.
Depends on how you define terrorist attack. I'll just cite wikipedias definition: "Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims.[1] The term is used in this regard primarily to refer to intentional violence during peacetime or in the context of war against non-combatants." I'd argue the atomic bombs thrown on Japan were terrorist attacks by that definition. It's safe to say they were dealier.
Yeah, they certainly weren't the deadliest *attacks*, but for practical purposes "terrorism" usually excludes acts by states against states. Though either way, if we're arguing about definitions to decide whether 9/11 was the worst one, it's hard to argue that it's "insignificant" like the comment I replied to said.
I know that's how many people use the word. But isn't the intent of the attack more important than who caries it out? The atomic bomb attacks were caried out to instill terror and the target was the civilian population. Same with the twin tower attacks.
If "who does it" is part of the definition, then it matters. War is when states do it, and terrorism is when non-states do it, that doesn't make either of them better or worse.
LegosBearsAndSex
Loled, hard......Going to hell, y'all need anything?
tinyfootprints
Al has lost a lot of weight since that day.
BryanTenn
I'm sure he is still salty about it.
clonedeeznuts
You would be if you were roasted
Davedavedavedavedave
So Mr. Peanut wasn't involved? Or did he want an alibi... https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1ZnRqZW01Z2diNDllamIzdXZpejZoZTA2cXNqaGljemIwZ2l0Z2Q4cyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/byYvc9meProt2/200w.webp
Atomic2
If I was that guy, I'd take the peanut costume off. Mr Peanut doesn't need to see that, Mr Peanut has seen enough horrors.
Hotsauceman
An innocence was lost that day.
JustFeedMePieDammit
They were shell shocked and are now merely a husk
WienerBeener
A shell of a man.
Wardonk3y
I always think about someone out there in New York City that was tripping their ass off at the time that the planes hit and they actually saw it...... They're never going to be okay again.
Greypuppy
Imagine putting on the Mr Peanut fursuit not knowing that you'll be taking it off in a completely changed New York City
joshuasplinth
I don’t think in historical documents they’d count as a first person source…
xcrit
My girlfriend who was a senior in high school, I graduated the year before, skipped school that day to sin with me... The phone starts ringing over and over so I answer.. Her mom furious.. IS SHE THERE? So... that was awkward.
Munchman347
And, guess what he was doing with his real hands inside that costume... Making Peanut Batter!...
emu314159127001
well, it's been almost 25 years. so who knows?
NuclearGradeIrony
With Al Roker, no less. That's got to take some of the edge off.
themuffulettaisalsoaverygoodsandwich
The moment this was taken, my little 23 yr old wife and I were in the car taking our dogs to the vet. Both of us had recently been laid off from our dot com jobs.
Cadpig91
I think the turtle guy was also in full suit when it happened
shameofslate
Glad to see Mitch is up and around and feeling better.
TickTockDeadMan
Yup, that scene was being shot that day, and they all had a moment of silence on set while he was in the full getup.
thepicklebucket
I think you mean "temporally"
justplainvanilla
zHurk777
fknbastard
Also a Mr. Peanut costume but not the lowest we could go, as it turns out.
KoalaOnTheJuice
"Sir, a second Mr Peanut costume has entered the building"
stevelite
"Ok Mr. P, We're ready to f*ck this timeline up. Act surprised"
DeadWhiteMale
The main effect of 9/11 was to cripple America over the next 25 years. Without it we wouldn't have Homeland Security and all the atrocities that came with it.
Tolocamp
No, Guantanamo, no Iraq/Afghanistan/Drone war, just to name a few internationally much more important ones.
GenStrike
We wouldn't have Trump, frankly.
WellWellWellLookWhoItIs
The Patriot Act is around 340 pages long and we’re supposed to believe it was written from scratch and reviewed before being signed into law 45 days after 9/11.
notreallyaclevername
Exactly. It's almost like bin Laden's entire plan was to fuck the US economy by getting it mired in a bunch of wars in the middle east. Terrorism won the war on terror
KrowWithAK
Just like drugs winning the war on drugs. It's almost like wars over shit is a great way to screw yourself over.
futhor
What did Mr. Peanut know
LeekofLegend
American dad answered that. Turns out he knew a lot 🤣
B0ardski
that the owner saved millions on asbestos removal, and got a multi billion dollar insurance payout.
chumpacabra
Actually they probably witnessed it through the mouth of a Mr. Peanut costume.
LeekofLegend
Wow you must be fun at parties 🙄
youshouldhaveseenmyotherusernamethatdidntmakeit
I’m giving you +1 because i feel like you meant it kindly and funnily. U tell me if i was right and if not it’s take that +1 back alright?
deletable
Mr Peanut is the greatest possible symbol of Capitalism. A peanut in a monocle who’s rich rich from selling other peanuts.
Snooj
As a former mascot, he more likely got out of that thing the second the cameras were off and he could find a place to change (you never change in front of people, that's the first rule of mascot club). So he either missed it completely or saw it with his normal human eyes.
PineappleLoopsBroether
I miss PB Crisp
Jaqdakloun
Oh my fucking god yes
wobblecopterrrr
"from the mout of mr peanut; a national tragedy"...
CliffWestern
"From nut to tragedy. The Mr. Peanut story."
wobblecopterrrr
chumpacabra
I would have gone with "Out of the shell and into hell"
RawSuger
the only really significant thing about 9/11 was how it was leveraged into a series of warcrimes murdering millions, so unless he kept that costume on for the next few decades what he saw was a relatively insignificant event
JMontgomeryBurns
The only really significant thing about the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand was how it began a series of conflicts that led to the rise of multiple world superpowers...
RawSuger
exactly. you think ww1 happened because f that attack? or was t used as an excuse were a million others might have been used?
JMontgomeryBurns
Claiming 9/11 was an "otherwise insignificant event" is completely ridiculous and recklessly inflammatory.
RawSuger
3000 ppl just isnt that many. they dnt count for 100 ppl each because they are white. objectively far worse happens most days somewhere
Osgarth
What a ridiculous statement. It was the catalyst for a myriad of global seismic changes in war, espionage, law, aviation, economics, demographics, migration, politics, causing the rise and fall of nations, some of which are still in the process of falling... The rise of the far right, fueled by unrest from mass migration, caused by instability in the mid east. Brexit etc etc.
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
Yeah being an event that galvanized those changes and impacts is kinda what makes it significant. It left a huge scar on the psyche of a lot of Americans (in particular the political class and the wealthy and powerful) that in turn enabled a cultural shift whose impacts are still unfolding
BlueSheep
left a huge scar to most western country, Europe included. My country (France) has forever changed since 9/11 we have a thing called "Counter Terrorist Plan" that let the government does some thing they should not, but can in order to fight terrorists. France is in "Counter Terrorist Plan" since 9/11 and it has never gone, we're still today.
BlueSheep
Fun fact : This is one of the reasons people think Paris is a dirty city (not only). It used to have a lot of trash cans and public service but since 9/11 they get ride/sealed every trash cans, and lately replaced it by a simple ring that hold bag (So you can see if there's a bomb ;)). So Paris lost a lot of trash cans and some public service forever closed. You need to pee ? Too bad for you. All thanks to the counter terrorist plan
RawSuger
i feel like mostly these are excuses for surveillance and not provide services. id say its an american disease, again the even t is being leveraged to do all kinds o horrible shit, the event itself is mediocre at best/worst
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
It's hardly unique to the US, it's something intrinisic to the state as a form of organization and governance. China does it, Australia does ir, the UK, Canada, France, Brazil, South Africa, Afghanistan, Belize and everywhere else has the pervasive thought in government that they ought to be able to see and track and know 'more' about the people in the country. And there isn't really ever a true stopping point, nor actual examination of what the real outcomes are vs the ideological ones.
delecti
I mean, 9/11 was the deadliest terrorist attack in human history, so it was already pretty significant even before the warcrimes we used it as a pretense for.
RawSuger
depends how you define terrorist. and no 3K ppl doesnt make it to top 1M events in world history. it was a fairly significant event in that year i guess? still not even top 1000
southoffrance
Yeah 'cos those Afghan and Iraqi hijackers... oh wait, no, they were all Saudis weren't they?
RawSuger
nelson mandela was on the terrorist list till 2008. that you unthnkinly use a term like terrorist without asking yourself f whether the US attacks werent "terrorrist" shows how efficintly they leveraged this event into brainwashing the pop
delecti
There are a lot of interesting and valid points to be made about whether the US also engages in terrorist strategies, and none of those things will get you even a tiny bit closer to making the point that 9/11 was insignificant.
bottledham
DarkCloud7777
Depends on how you define terrorist attack. I'll just cite wikipedias definition: "Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims.[1] The term is used in this regard primarily to refer to intentional violence during peacetime or in the context of war against non-combatants." I'd argue the atomic bombs thrown on Japan were terrorist attacks by that definition. It's safe to say they were dealier.
delecti
Yeah, they certainly weren't the deadliest *attacks*, but for practical purposes "terrorism" usually excludes acts by states against states.
Though either way, if we're arguing about definitions to decide whether 9/11 was the worst one, it's hard to argue that it's "insignificant" like the comment I replied to said.
DarkCloud7777
I know that's how many people use the word. But isn't the intent of the attack more important than who caries it out? The atomic bomb attacks were caried out to instill terror and the target was the civilian population. Same with the twin tower attacks.
delecti
If "who does it" is part of the definition, then it matters. War is when states do it, and terrorism is when non-states do it, that doesn't make either of them better or worse.