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H13a
My Golden Retriever disagrees with your apartment theory
DutchBoeremeisie
He has the entire island to run free on.
Mewmus
I own my house, I don't own the apartment I'm in.
CanadianLadyMoose
How dare you want to have full control of your own space that you live in! /s
Level21Magikarp
The problem is they will not stop at 4% usage and we end up with 2000 apartment units.
noescapes08
Was going to say the same thing, if they were apartments for ownership that would be one thing even as well, but what they become is not nature saving but increased landlord density. At that point I can argue 1.5 acre per house requirement will allow for more trees and nature than 20 apartment complexes that pray on the poor to maximize their profits.
wadatahmydamie
Of which 50 are available because oligarchs keep peddling the “we just need to keep building” narrative while buying up more and more property
REOJackwagon
This is kind of a moot point, some rich wanker has already lobbied for what they want to build on it, probably a golf course over half the island, and a private mansion on the other side.
MySushi
And then poison all the trees that are blocking the oceanfront view from their property, with illegal chemicals that would takes decades to clear away, without municipal approval
REOJackwagon
That sounds like Sydney
Illinifan88
It's really not this simple. As an architect with a passion for urban design, density alone leads to disaster.
Theres a reason very few people live in downtown areas of bih cities for more than a few years. The scale is inhuman. Theres little greenery. They are loud and busy basically 24/7. Some of this can be alleviated by good design, but only so much.
The best parts of cities are the smaller neighborhoods where most buildings are 2-4 stories with mixed-use hubs located near public transit
Malloon
People, even masses of people, are generally pretty quiet. It's car traffic which makes cities loud. You generally need a parade or street festival to bring people noise to an annoying level. Greenery is absolutely possible in dense areas: Parks, trees lining roads, balconies with plants, rooftop gardens... all eminently doable, especially if cars aren't allowed to dominate the space.
phobosorbust
I'll never willingly leave my downtown.
My apartment has thick concrete walls though, so there's no outside noise and almost no neighbor noise. I've turned down cheaper places for that reason.
Multiple parks in short walking distance, good bus coverage, rail station nearby, four or five grocery stores depending on your definition... way too many cars, but otherwise it's great
sakasiru
Are you talking about the US? Because that isn't true for the rest of the world. Lots of people live in densely populated cities that have also parks and other recreational areas sprinkled in.
Illinifan88
Yes, I'm mainly talking about the US. But extreme density is a problem wherever it is.
The ideal city would be akin to Renaissance cities in Europe. 3-5 floor buildings pretty much everywhere. Residential and small businesses intermixed. Public plazas within walking distance of each other with well developed borders. Some main thoroughfares to allow for car traffic and larger businesses (obviously not original to the Renaissance).
DutchBoeremeisie
I don't think anyone was arguing for badly-design density. It seems quite obvious that it will have to be well designed. I agree that 4 stories seems like a good compromise, though.
whatsisname
All of the things you are complaining about aren't because of the city, it's because of the cars. Get rid of the cars and everything you are complaining about is gone.
Illinifan88
Some of it is. Cars aren't responsible for 50 story buildings though.
Tolocamp
Density saves money on infrastructure too, and your money, because you can walk everywhere. Everywhere would be in a 500m radius (third of a mile).
SpartaWolf117
I get the idea behind it, but I like having my own house because I don't have to deal with noisy neighbors like I did in an apartment.
Hrafna55
I agree but it does depend on how the apartment building is built.
flavivsaetivs
Rowhouses are still much better than the lifeless single-family home subdivisions we build in the US.
Quadruplexes and sextaplexes are also great for areas zoned as single-family homes here in the US. Usually the best we can get the counties/legislatures to do though is allow duplexes and triplexes.
proxyinitiative
Shit enforcement ruins most housing options. I've had fucked up neighbors when I had an acre to myself. My co-op unit now is peaceful and I enjoy being around the community.
Chereazi
Are they building apartment complexes out of the same shitty materials as the houses they expect hurricanes to destroy anyway over there?
I've lived in several here in Europe, noise was never a concern, and judging by all the baby strollers in front of the doors near me, there should be a LOT of noise
adiving
I don't know of any western European country that doesn't have noisy apartments. And I SERIOUSLY doubt it's gonna be better in the east or south. Very maybe the north.
MapleSyrupMafia
Depending on the size and when they were built, it's widely different. The concrete ones aren't really an issue for noise, but a lot of developers wants money, so they cut corners and get them built as cheap as possible.
RevolutionOnHerLips
My current apartment building seems to have little sound protection through floors, but the walls are very good. I never heard my neighbors TV unless they open their door and then I'm always surprised it's as loud as I can when, with the door closed, I can't hear anything. But my upstairs neighbor stomps like a rhino. My last apartment was the opposite. Concrete floors I couldn't hear through, but paper thin walls that let in every sound.
elucca
For the people saying you'd rather want to have a house, you can still have one. A lot of people will actually choose to live in apartments when they're good and in a pleasant environment. If you're not one of those people, well, houses still exist. The important point is the average density is high enough. Not incredibly high, necessarily, just high enough for good services and transit. You can mix single family houses with apartments.
StNickCage
I see the point but aren't we also nature?
DutchBoeremeisie
Parasitic at the moment, yes.
CrisprCAS
Lift those apartments up two stories and put some shops underneath. Maybe some corpo stuff above them. Can't beat mixed use midrises.
flavivsaetivs
At that point you're looking at hi-rise probably but otherwise yes. With sidewalks with good tree canopy, and protected bike lanes.
MySushi
And make the entire complex connect underground for easy travel between places no matter the weather https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1bng0aHAyc3B3aTgyODh6c253bnBwcmRjOXI3MDlpNGwwaTh4aGM4eCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/ftdF4ZkueWGHBYc4b5/200w.webp
eion85
Or sky bridges like downtown Minneapolis
Dictionary420PhraseIt
And Spokane!
ThanksForTheThing
https://www.npr.org/2015/01/18/378162264/welcome-to-whittier-alaska-a-community-under-one-roof
FoxAffair
This has been a requirement for all new apartment developments near me, and every retail front is vacant.
royrogersdoublerbarburger
Hyup
Kitakita
Because Blackrock and friends look at it and say "if 100 apartments use up 4%, then then could have 4000 apartments" and then have them compete against each other as news media cries about a housing "shortage"
randomguy365
If apartments were built with sound barrier in mind I would be happy to live in one again. Not having the responsibility of a homeowner is enticing, but not enough to lose sleep because my neighbor can't stop listening to music at max volume at 2 in the morning.
Sebastopol140
But what if you surround the houses with trees?
DutchBoeremeisie
You will still have destroyed the habitats of the indigenous wildlife.
HeliGungir
Wildfire hazard, falling limb/tree hazard, root damage to foundations and utilities, shorting/fire hazard around power lines...
FrolickingFrolicking
^This is a great example of how a human being can think up rationalizations and nonsensical excuses, and proudly list them, while having no idea what they’re talking about.
“Trees are a wildfire hazard. Much better to cut forests down to avoid that. I’m smart.”
“Falling tree hazard. Yeah this is definitely a concern in heavily tree-filled residential areas. I’m smart.”
“Trees are a danger to power lines. I don’t think the two are ever near each other…big problem. I’m smart.”
HeliGungir
All I did is list real reasons why tree density is low in suburbia. You're the one making it political.
People build stuff and cut trees down to reduce risks. Sometimes it's legally required. Sometimes it's mandated by insurance companies. And sometimes it's an individual or business decision to reduce risks.
GriffCannon90
That's what they do in the neighborhoods where I live. Gives a nice amount of shade when going for a walk, and it's a nice aesthetic.
Corrodias
Only very small animals can survive in a sparse handful of trees. Not good enough.
ghornby
Do the apartments have enough interior space for a family of 4 people, 4 dogs, 2 cats and a hamster?
quietwalker
Of course not. You rate about 100-150 sq ft per person. No pets. You will have to share a bathroom with everyone on the floor if you want it to be separate rooms though. Hurray for high-density housing!
Also, your neighbor only eats fermented food, and often grills kimchi directly on the burner of his hotplate. MMMmmm. Smells like burning garbage.
mrthewhitee
No dogs allowed and only 1 cat. All your neighbors cook fish every other day too.
howimetyourauntrobin2
https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1Y2UycmhtMWZ3ejkycWlvOGJ1M2Q3d3lieTUwd2x5MHJjMnR4bThzayZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/SXl0wYD0N088EtDhBI/200w.webp
abmoraz
leave your sex life out of this
INeverReadTheTOS
Who the fuck can afford 7 pets in today’s economy?
Vallete
I have 2 goldfish (for aquaponicly growing lettuce) 3 chickens (for low carb snacks for my type 1 diabetic child) and a dog(therapy for my autistic child) and a cat (emotional support for my husband after our roommate took the old one)
But, yeah, I feel like we are definitely on the middle-upper end of the bell curve. (85k-ish from 2 incomes)
eion85
They could, if we got rid of stupid laws that needlessly require two sets of fire stairs on small apartment buildings, which basically leads to building lots of one and maybe two bedroom apartments.
ghornby
Every 4 bedroom apartment in a building makes room for roughly 2 fewer 1 bedroom apartments. How do you fit 100 families of 4+ people in the space of 100 1 bedroom apartments?
eion85
I assume the graphic is comparing like capacity for like. So for instance 100 three bedroom apartments instead of 100 three bedroom houses.
And the point of smaller apartment buildings is you can fit 4 or more families on the same plot of land as a single family house.
mrthewhitee
Those laws were written in blood. They're there for a reason.
whatsisname
Not all regulations are. Many are not. The double stairway law was explicitly created to fuck over multifamily development. The reason in this one is bullshit.
eion85
https://youtu.be/iRdwXQb7CfM?si=dxVFBhFRo-TWtgzd
Not necessarily a rule that is required anymore. Europe gets along just fine without it.
SisyphusRollin
Humans are part of nature, sticking us in a single giant box on top of each other isn't very natural. Nature includes us as well.
whatsisname
Each of us isolated in their own separate box that requires getting in a car in order to encounter anyone else is hardly natural, either.
SisyphusRollin
I mean I don't know what you're talking about, those neighbors in the other example are on top of each other. This isn't counter to the image or what I said. You can go meet your neighbors.
mrmartini
How about one house on the island and everyone else can fuck off?
ShyWifeGingerKitten
This is the way.
Evenmoreuselessname
Now you're thinking like a billionaire!
Strostkovy
Reminder that we absolutely do have the technology to make sound proof walls and floors and ceilings. And the overall cost would still be less than all of the individual houses
MySushi
Won't anyone think of the profit margin for greedy builders and miserly investors who just want to take a few million dollars home every year from using the cheapest facade possible and sub-contracting most of the work to least skilled and least experienced minimum wage workers to do a tacky job only enough to pass a bribed superficial inspection without any stress tests whatsoever?
Malloon
World: Proposes a socially-conscious solution (apartments, public transportation, walkable neighbourhoods, etc.). Americans immediately: "No, I don't want that, because in my country that's always shit!"
FrolickingFrolicking
Also the “neighbors make noise! I want spread apart houses” knee-jerk self-absorbed cliche. Noise between apartments depends on build quality / construction style, density and thickness of walls and doors etc.
A bit like “cars I great, I hate public transport because I hate people. Cars and climate catastrophe is much better. I’m smart and love expressing garbage opinions in public with no intelligence.”
alittleglassvial
DOES THE ISLAND HAVE WIFI WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THE REAL QUESTIONS
I see no boat dock or helicopter pad so the apartments is the only choice for having sustainability in land/crop production?
GeorgeCostabaplaps
I can have trees at home and a yard for my dogs. Good luck with the apart yard
aThingWithAKeyboard
Houses tbh. Fuck apartment living. Hearing your neighbors fuck. Walk. Talk. Argue. TV. Music. Gaming.
Hard. Pass.
Noodlesocks
It's my biggest gripe with housing development here. They keep building 2-3 bedroom houses across urban sprawl that could fit so many more flats in much less space. We're an island nation that doesn't have the space for that kind of development. Town I live in is already bordering the motorway with the more recent developments.
TektronixTDS360
A lot of times the controversy centers on parking. Lots of multi family developers will gladly build an apartment building with nowhere for tenants to park, saturating the surrounding streets
eion85
Why do you need massively overinflated FREE parking.
Free parking sounds like socialism to me. For the cost of all this car infrastructure you could have free, reliable public transit and bike lanes all over.
MySushi
Mixed-use mid-rises aspire to solve this problem. What if your school was within walking distance, inside an adjoining apartment building and the day-care for the complex was in yours? A grocery store was built into the first three levels of another apartment building, complete with a few restaurants. A community gymnasium was found on floors 4-5 of building C and an olympic sized swimming pool with sauna, doctor's office, dentist, pizzeria soccer, cricket grounds just outside. Possible w/o cars
Bukoden
And only those that work those limited jobs (number/type) get to live in them? The jobs in other places that already exist and are staffed by people that might want to live in those buildings don't just stop existing. And what of owning vs renting?
Not saying we shouldn't work towards things like that, but just making some and having limited/no allowances for the reality of current things doesn't stop these types of issues.
Likely good for new areas + public transport made alongside it, though
MySushi
All valid points. Any idealism can't suddenly cut off provisions for older ways of life and there should always be room for expansion of such a community, which is a very difficult balance to achieve.
Of course, we all want a good life and these factors need to be taken into account to help the transition along. I am just saying that the fewer places you have to drive to, instead of simply using a lift for two minutes or walking for fifteen minutes, the lesser our environmental impact would be.
Bukoden
I don't really have anything further to add, as we seem to be in general agreement with the basic points covered. Just wanted to say it was a nice discussion, even though it was quite a short one.
Qualtagh
NotACanadian
Pasture/range seems misleading. A lot of this is uninhabited desert.
Salticido
More than one thing can destroy nature. I'm not surprised that in bumfuck nowhere it's not housing that's the biggest problem.
Qualtagh
okay, well housing is like destroying a flower while farming flattens a forest. Just because you spend more time around suburbs does not mean they're meaningful here.
JarJarBinksKisser
There is soooooo godamn much room in this country for so many people to live. & for nature to be cared for. Its pathetic its not being achieved.
SirButcher
Yep, we waste a ridicilious amount of land to grow animals for meat and to grow food for them :|
thatsbadmmkay
OP is especially misleading since a developer would obviously still develop the whole island and charge greedflated rent.
CanadianLadyMoose
Op also assumes everyone wants flat plain grass lawns without any landscaping or gardens or trees whatsoever. Very disingenuous and takes the human out of the equation.
JoeyJoeJoeSeniorShabadoo
I clicked bc the thumbnail looked like SimCity.
TheUnnamedPoet
https://imgur.com/Tpr1of1
KaJuN
Reticulating splines
normalizebeingalone
I get it but... If an apartment could house 3 bedrooms, allow me to blast music, allow me to not hear others blasting music, allow me to have a balcony for plants, and finally allow me to easily have 2 dogs and 3 cats, then sure. Most apartments where Im at dont let you have 1 medium or large dog. My pups are rescues and they deserve to have the space and home they have.
DutchBoeremeisie
I have family members who have that apartment: an aunt with 4 dogs and 3 cats in a 3 bedroom apartment, a cousin who plays piano at all hours (the apartments are sound proofed) and they all have balconies. Including the apartment of my late mother-in-law, who grew an impressive number of plants. The problem isn't the apartment, it's the way they're built, regulated and managed. For this to be a proper solution, would obviously require it to be designed well. But it can happen.
normalizebeingalone
That would be great if it were here. Right now i can rent a house for less fortunately. It's definitely how it is maintained to. My apartment i was in had a huge cockroach problem and they would never treat the whole complex just one unit which just made the infestation move around but never leave
seenunseen
Have you tried playing instruments in an apartment, or had neighbors do it? What about sex? Being up at odd hours?
whatsisname
Do you really think living in an apartment is an impediment to having sex?
adiving
Definitely not according to my previous upstairs neighbours. I can pretty much guarantee they had sex daily in their apartment.
Salticido
I live in a noisy apartment and found out recently that there's ZERO insulation between apartments when we had to have water damage repaired. It explains so much and does not need to be the case. We can build better than we do (in the US - it sounds like other places around the world already do).
TheWhiteBarry
I don't think the European mind can comprehend just how empty the US really is.
Lontri
I live in a pretty small town in Finland. There's a lot of forest land, fields, pastures etc. around me. Lots of small towns, with small villages in between towns. There's one proper city nearby, and another one like a bit over an hour away maybe? Sure, there's places like Helsinki, Tampere, Turku, and a few others where I'd guess most people live in apartments, but we do have plenty of houses in smaller towns and villages.
Mewmus
Yes, we do really have some great big.....tracts of land
MySushi
Make the apartments sound-proof, not easily infested with cockroaches, not smelling like insecticide and turpentine from cheap paint all the fucking time, not with plumbing so cheap you are springing a leak every few months, not with bathtubs so small you can't have a good soak on weekends, not with substandard appliances that have one working burner etc, not with exhaust fans so noisey they sound like garbage disposal, not with lack of heating/cooling control, not dark, dirty and scary. Deal?
Dictionary420PhraseIt
I had an apartment in Japan, so I know all of that IS POSSIBLE
ExTechOp
I live in Finland in an apartment house well built in 1935 and maintained ever since, so I know all this is definitely possible.
BeardOnTheInside
I just moved into a brand spankin new apartment. $2200 a month. The sound insulation is such utter garbage. Every footstep in this place is like a drum. And they KNEW the sound insulation was shitty because the lease stipulates you can't use the appliances after 10pm.
MySushi
I hate these trashy real estate developers with every fibre of my being. The lot of us are trying to live our lives sustainably, but they make it hard every fucking step of the way. All the subsidies that should go to people who are trying to migrate away from single family homes get soaked up by these fucking lardasses, yet they give you nothing of quality or comfort you could be proud to call a home. And the prices are out of control too. Environmental activism is being crushed by greed
beegobuzz
Top it off with a flea killer on every door. If one dog gets them, they pass to every other unit.
normalizebeingalone
Oh god you reminded me of all the cockroaches from my time in apartments oofff i blocked that memory.
clonedeeznuts
You mean like make them right, not with the least bidder to make the most profit? What kind of monster are you!
JackDawesLovesmybigwhat
Sure, but it will cost 3x a mortgage on a 3K sqare foot house.
elucca
Cheap apartments where I live tick all of those boxes. You can just have reasonable building standards.
Salticido
Nah, capitalism should die and housing should be free.
phobosorbust
That'll be $4200 a month plus background check, first, last and 3.4x security deposit, two-year lease with a six month notice requirement and you'll need to use the building's renter insurance. No pets.
elucca
I dunno where I live all these things just come from universal building standards. It's definitely doable.
phobosorbust
One can absolutely find an apartment meeting your requirements in the US. The trouble is affording it.
elucca
And a big part of that is that their construction is severely limited, leading to high demand and low supply. Nearly all residential land in the US is zoned exclusively for single family houses. Not being American, that was one of the weirdest things to learn about the US: The massive house deserts are not the result of free market demand, but extremely stifling regulation making everything else illegal.
phobosorbust
The majority of americans live in cities, not the rural and suburban wastelands you're talking about. I've lived in all three.
Less regulation is definitely not the answer; less regulation is how we get slumlords. Zoning is a local choice that demands local action.
What we need is to get investors out of real estate. Prices are sky-high because investment firms are snatching up property wholesale and either flipping them for 30%+ or turning them into rentals vacant or not.
phobosorbust
no joke, the buildings going up near mine are advertising two-bedroom apartments (750-900 ft²) for $4k and up. I am not in Manhattan.
RuminatingYak
How is any of that specific to apartment buildings?
MySushi
The laws relating to apartment buildings are quite different from independently owned homes, on top of management policies. You are basically forbidden from making any improvements upon your place. My folks were too afraid to so much as paint their own walls or hang up pictures and art, because when you are poor, you can't afford move-out fines from "damage to the walls and unit". The apartment horror stories have a chilling effect on minor personalization, let alone proper improvements.
MySushi
Lets say you hired a dubious, unlicensed plumber to fix leaky faucet in your bath or tried to diy it without adequate tools or knowledge off some YouTube guide. Naturally, you would crack a joint or break a stuck valve. If it is your own home, well sucks to be you, flooded basement, weeks of cleanup and having to dial a proper plumber on emergency to fix shit. Now, same scenario in an apt, you are also having to pay damages to tenant below you for ruining their property + management fines
MySushi
What I mean to say is any deficiency in an apartment building, you have to walk on eggshells (noise complaints, layers of permits, uncooperative management, lack of adequate ventilation, issues beyond your control) having to get shit fixed. The greedy builders and landlords offload the cost onto you, while the place is never truly yours and no matter what you fix, if your neighbour can't/won't, a problem like infestation comes back quickly. Such problems are non-existent in independent homes
RuminatingYak
Ah, you live in a dystopia. My apologies.
MySushi
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ICampOntheFirstDate
However, I greatly enjoy not hearing my neighbor's drunken 3AM elephant stomps.
PicassoCT
Envy, because those are not footsteps..
Cornflakes91
sounds like a shitty building problem
MioTaalas
That's why rules exist and proper BUILDING CODES.
There's many countries where the minimum standards for noise isolation, including stomping, must be met and they're tightening every few years...
Of your neighbour is being an ass, report and get their asses thrown out.
wurth
Is an elephant stomp what he calls giving his live-in girlfriend the piledriver?
sumthinsumthinsumthin
Yes.
ghsdkgb
That's the problem right there. This all sounds great, but not many people are gonna willingly leave their house to move into an apartment. You'll get a few, sure, but not enough to shift the landscape like that
JIRAtheman
When apartments are standard and not just built as cheap affordable housing by the lowest bidder, you don't have that problem anymore
zafner
It's possible to build apartment buildings so this isn't an issue. It's just not as cheap
astrangehop
My neighbor watched the news with a subwoofwr on the floor. Thenhe got an air conditioner. That sits on the floor above my bed. I hate him.
darkstarmc
Regulations mandating sound resistant (and also fire resistant) insulation would help.
Cilvaa
Upstairs neighbours be like
Mechlai
Or smelling other people's cooking
Corrodias
If you want low population density and little sprawl, you're only going to achieve that with low population. But Elon Musk wants you to pump out a bunch of white babies to serve him. Are you really going to disappoint him?
pirateninjaunicornattacksquad
Then make the floors and walls that separate the apartments out of concrete. Problem solved.
Toqom
It's an issue with the build, apartments should be forced to have a level of dampening,.but rich folk don't care until we make them
eion85
Sounds like a soundproofing problem.
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
Short of an underground vault there is no soundproofing that is as quiet as being out in the country. Let some of us live the way we want rather than trying to jam everyone into sardine cans. You don't see us trying to demand that everyone live out amongst the cornfields, yet some people are weirdly obsessed with the idea that everyone should live in apartments.
eion85
And what people usually think of as cities being noisy is car noise.
You don't have to have cars in a city. In fact it's better if you don't. A human scale city is better than a car scale city. Cheaper, healthier, and more enjoyable.
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
And here comes the people with the obsession about cars. Seriously: stop trying to dictate that every other person lives in YOUR ideal manner. Just because you think everyone should live in a shoebox and ride a bike to work does not mean that's what everyone wants, nor is it practical in most of the country. Get outside your bubble.
eion85
Your attempt to strawman is noticed.
eion85
"You don't see us trying to demand that everyone live amongst the cornfields"
If that were the case there wouldn't be zoning laws that make single family homes and one bedroom apartments the only thing that gets built.
It's not a free choice right now. It's absolutely weighted heavily against walkable communities.
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
Except that those are NOT the only things that get built. We literally build twice as many apartments as we do single family homes. And around here it's far more common to see residential areas putting up apartment complexes than stickbuilt SFRs.
eion85
Read what I said again and decide if single bedroom apartment complexes are the same thing as apartments people actually want and are affordable.
WorstPostEver
Just the leaf blowers at 7am, thanks.
hamulusrex
Definitely a trade-off.
IllegalDuckling
But not before the lawnmower at 5am
MapleSyrupMafia
I'll never understand people mowing their lawns early... In dry places where you don't have humidity... "ok" (no, not really), but here the grass is wet from the morning dew... So you're not only annoying your neighbors, you're also making things harder for yourself as you're just caking up everything with wet grass that you'll have to scrape from your mower later on.
IllegalDuckling
I'd guess it's about getting it done *right now* so it won't bother them the rest of the day.
Though, another thing I noticed is that professional gardeners also tend to work so early. Googling around, it might have to do with putting less stress on the plants and avoiding kicking up dust clouds in dry places
MapleSyrupMafia
It makes sense for gardeners, but not so much for Bob who is retired and have all day to do it. One of my neighbor is like that... early mowing and watering his grown trees...
alittleglassvial
My elephant where's stripper heals
alittleglassvial
wears wtf is wrong with me
sumthinsumthinsumthin
You can't keep elephants in an apartment, dude. /s
quietwalker
Hey, sound is only one part of it. Don't forget that you're gonna smell part of their life too, especially the strong, foul odors. Also, they're going to hear you too. They're going to have very specific and potentially angry opinions about the things you say, the stuff you watch, the music you listen to and the people you bring over, and you can't "go away" because you share walls.
And the whole time, you pay rent and get no equity, and your landlord gets rich, and you live in a shoebox.
RuminatingYak
All of that can apply to houses as well.
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
"Can" versus "No other option."
whatsisname
You know there are multi-unit buildings where the occupants own their units, right?
quietwalker
Yeah, but in a lot of the US that's not an option.
xlr82xs
Your apartment buildings sound incredibly poorly constructed. And in what shitty country do you live in that purchasing an apartment isn't a thing ?
WhatisaYute
Welcome to the United States.
jakedafish
America!
sethangaming365
Did they even need to ask at this point, no offence directed at you personally but America is world champion for shit right now
jakedafish
I’ve found that most non USA people are often unaware of some of the more basic American facts and indiscretions. But yeah, you can generally just assume America for most shit like that.