yes. you all are the beta testers in real life. with real people at stake. and real lives at stake. SHITslas have more deaths and accidents per km/mi travelled than ICEs
They took a steep dive after covid especially. I suspect the reason is because they don't have an auto union, so when they had to lay people off, they may have just switched careers. And when they needed workers back, they had to hire brand new untrained people. Whereas Ford/GM/Ram/etc calls union workers back.
tesla starting prices are around $30k-$35k nowadays I thought though yeah? I mean, elon bad and all, but more people buying more electric is good and cheaper prices
At at $40k will save on average $2k/yr in fuel, and more if you drive more than that. You can only hit your high numbers if you add full self driving for a ridiculous $15k... But someone looking at the cheapest option doesn't really care about how high it can go.
At the rate bigauto is moving, they'll be declaring bankruptcy before then. Probably when China moves in to eat their lunch before their slow bigauto asses get into gear... In the form of buying their names and parading them around on Chinese designed cars.
Vancouver is quite frankly blanketed in fucking Teslas. There are so many better options out there, yet it's 100 Teslas a day. I actually hate those gatdamn pieces of shit.
I’m in so cal too. It was the hot car and we were considering it. My in-laws too. They got a different one and yeah, it’s been visibly obvious haw many fewer there are.
I've only seen THIS video get posted in regards to: "heres a vid proving teslas are cheaply made"....Kinda sus that this seems to be the video getting reposted. But would anyone really go on the internet and make a misleading video like that?
this would be funny if they didnt spend 420.69% of their time online defending lil muskkkie and could actually afford their own vehicles, or even a SHITsla. instead of needing to drive their mom to work in their mom's car, in order to be able to use their mom's car to go defend the honor, virtue, and virginity, of their supreme memelord against what you said in the forest
I thought you were supposed to carry a coil of optical fiber so you could bury it and within 10 minutes some yokel in a backhoe will be along to dig it up.
absolutely ZERO innovation in their battery technology is so god damn funny. Welding together ~2000 vape batteries was the original founder's idea and it was clever in 2008, but its 2023 now and they got leapfrogged by way safer flat packed cells from real car makers
Tesla is using different types of packs and chemistries across their lineup. LFP model 3 and y in China use prismatic construction batteries. Cylindrical cells in the rest. They have 3 different size cylindrical batteries. There are definitely changes in battery technology, though I think the more exciting stuff is now outside of Tesla, who is more focused on expanding. Our Next Energy has a cool dual chemistry design
That's a garbage argument. Most tesla fires are the result of a collision unlike spontaneous Chevy Bolt fires, but tesla fires are still only half of Bolt fires per capita even if you count every single tesla fire including ones where the car was lit from an external source.
I mean ok but if I bought it before those statements doesn’t mean I’m complicit. I think we all agree he is a POS but so is every CEO you buy products from. He’s just more visible.
If my piece of crap 15k nissan has better over all build quality than 50k+ tesla. Then the tesla's over all quality is complete horse shit. I dont have to worry about leaking ruin my car, or parts falling off. Thats a pretty shit level of qa.
That might be the experience some have but mine has not. And it’s fast as fuck. Believe me. I am not Elon musk supporter - but my experience is that car is amazing.
Acceleration. Family's got one that I leech off of when I can, and it is incredibly nice how quickly you get to the speed you're trying to get to, both speeding up and slowing down.
Considered a Model S for all of five minutes until I saw one in the flesh and it looked like it was put together with a slingshot. Ended up going for a shorter range city EV that fits my needs perfectly, and is built way better.
I really wish hydros would make it in the US. Honda makes a HVAC unit for 10kusd that makes heavy water from natural gas. That sounds WAY better than all the shit byproducts of EVs.
So on Honda's page here https://global.honda/newsroom/news/2023/c230202eng.html they never mention the term HVAC, but they do mention FCEV. And a google search for "HVAC vehicle" was basically all related to the type of vehicle HVAC installers drive. Methinks you may have had the wrong acronym in your head.
A lasting positive Ellen may have had is making electric cars cool to the mainstream. Hopefully over time that impression lasts and remains marketable, profitable for companies to continue making more, and better ones
My partner has an S and he's been in multiple times for the door handles. He's on his 2nd S and this one had door that didn't close right so it was always open
Yea I know. So far we have a baby car seat in front and a reboarder in the back. It'll be a tight squeeze into the middle seat for me with another forward facing one in the back, and my husband will have to drive always bc he def can't squeeze in the middle. I fit just barely hip bone to hip bone. We'll see how annoying it gets and then switch cars if we really have to.
Well, turns out codependency is basically the opposite of what I meant. I learned it means that one person is the giver and the other is a narcissistic taker. What an odd word for that. My bad y'all.
We got one as an Uber (whatever the upgraded version was called 4-5 years ago) once and HATED it. Sitting in the back seat felt like we were sitting on plastic and everything around us was also plastic. So uncomfortable.
Yeah the one time I ever sat in one the entire thing squeaked like rubbing plastic on plastic. Every turn, bump, just caused more of the shit trim to make noise
Yeah. I can only speak to the Model 3 I've got, but agreed on both counts. Haven't seen any of the production/build quality issues everyone absolutely assures me should be there. Musk also sucks rancid farts.
Near every single major corporation (including the car manufacturers) is owned/run by shitty billionaires who do the exact same shit as Musk except they're less loud and stupid about it. IMGUR itself uses Amazon Web Services, and Bezos ain't any better. He's just quieter about it.
Bezos bought The Washington Post in order to influence what could be said about him or his companies. Don't get me wrong, Musk sucks donkey dick. But Bezos does the same kind of shit, just quietly. Arguably, that's even more dangerous, as people aren't as on guard against his bullshit. My point is that it's nearly impossible to avoid using products that are owned by shitty billionaires to some degree. Instead of turning on other consumers about it, we should be focused on the billionaires/corps.
And since then they've changed a lot about end user repair, including releasing the maintenance manuals for free and making parts available for purchase at service centres. They even reached out to Rich to get his input on how to improve access for people who want to make repairs.
Been seeing more Teslas in my area. Most likely soon Ford and Chevrolet will have affordable electric vehicles with better services. At this point it really seems more like a status thing. I mean, go green 100%, so go ahead, buy it. But don't act like you're superior when you paid bank for a poor product from a shit person. Anyway, support electric vehicles and green infrastructure, but also try not to support assholes.
It will get there but grid capacity needs to increase to support the new electric fleet especially those that need fast chargers. Like in order for them to put a fast charger on our shop they have to pull a new line from the transformer to support the power demand
lots of manufacturers already make better quality, more affordable EVs than Tesla. Tesla's early-to-market advantage makes them a default choice, but that's not going to last unless they can sort out their quality problems without raising prices
Tbf he only exposed himself as an asshole recently. And I'm pretty sure all corporate CEOs are also assholes, just quieter about it. There is no truly ethical car purchasing decision. All corporations are greedy assholes.
My sister up in WA owns a Chevy Volt, I wish I could get one. I am stuck with a 2000 buick. It may only have a 40/45 mile electric range, but that is way more than enough for any of my daily driving and even when on gas it is way more efficient than a friggin buick. Sadly they are discontinuing them!
PHEV is where it’s at. I have a 2017 Volt. I almost never use gas except for longer trips where recharging would be a PITA with a Tesla. It’s battery is about 1/6 the size of a full EV battery, so less initial carbon footprint. Unfortunately Chevy abandoned their Voltec platform to go full EV. But Toyota is taking up the mantle now. Prius Prime and Rav 4 Prime look like great options.
I wouldn't count on Ford, Chrysler, of GM to produce anything that won't break in the dumbest ways possible. Several years in a shop has taught me that they won't exceed expectations because they know damn well that whatever they churn out people will buy. Then again, they might develop a knack for it, but my experience with the three leaves me with HEAVY doubts on their abilities to work with wiring and circuitry.
I swear vehicles are deliberately designed to fall apart after the warranty period. We always get a pre expiry inspection that comes back always 100% great, I book it in again couple days after warranty goes and it's wild how many issues suddenly pop up in under a week. Then I get my previous paper and say "looks like that should all be covered then since 1 week ago none of these problems existed." Needless to say we won't be buying chev again. Shady aholes, and shit product.
Completely ignoring how much emission is created in the manufacturing of a EV battery, if you drive electric and you're charging at stations, you're still using fossil-fuel made electricity and you've made zero difference other than satisfying your own morals.
A Mach E is is like $47K MSRP. A Tesla model 3 is like $41k MSRP. The electric Ford focus was $30k MSRP. The only reason people bought Teslas originally was for the free charging which most of their cars no longer receive. It's not that other automakers aren't making affordable EV's. The Chevy Bolt is something like $29-30K MSRP. It's that Tesla owns the infrastructure in a lot of places. Even BMW are making EV's for like $30K (see the electric Mini). All these cars qualified for tax breaks in
I have the Bolt and I love it. It was relatively cheap and Chevy put in a 240 volt charger for me as well. I've had one problem with it involving a battery monitor bug, but a firmware patch resolved it. Definitely better than a Tesla!
Weren't all the Bolts recalled just last December because their pack batteries were catching fire at an alarming rate? Didn't Ford recall a bunch of lightninings due to battery problems just this spring? You've got a bias if you think that GM and Ford haven't had quality problems with their EVs. Tesla having fit and finish quality issues at least won't burn your house down.
As I said before I another comment we're not talking about the HEV batteries or anything like that. We're talking about what was discussed in the video above which is trim and panel build quality. Since that is what is being discussed and since both Ford and Chevy have recalled those vehicles to fix those issues, that's a moot point. Tesla is not fixing the build quality issues showcased in the video above. Tesla has had it's own issues with recalls for batteries and seatbelts.
Teslas also being investigated by the federal government for their self driving features because they don't drive safely and often perform illegal moving violations. Haven't heard a word about a Chevy just merging into a lane with no signal or blowing through a stop sign on its own. Your move though.
Um 2018 - 2020 Bolts were catching fire at an alarming rate, but to be fair it was an issue with the Korean batteries - just in case someone is considered a used Bolt.
Yeah but pretty much all automakers seem to have had some problem or another with catching fire. It's not just a problem with EV's. What I'm talking about is actual factual build quality. Tesla has always had problems with that. A lot of other car brands haven't. Not on a grand scale.
If you really wanna go green, drive your old car into the ground. Between 60 and 70% of emissions a car is responsible for over its life are released during production. Once your car is dead, sure buy electric, but it's better to use up an old gass car than it is to buy a new electric car. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/green-living-blog/2010/sep/23/carbon-footprint-new-car
I'm driving my 02 civic until one of us dies, he'll probably kill both of us though. Can't go over 55 bc it feels like the car is going to split in half.
This. It is almost always better both for the environment and your wallet to keep your old car running than to replace it with a newer car, even if the new car is more efficient. Keep your old car until it's more expensive to fix than it's worth.
That's what I've been doing. I've had my beast for 16 years. I try to drive as little as possible and offset my carbon footprint in other ways. Next car is an EV.
it depends. Putting your car on the used market reduces demand for new ICE cars as well, so you can't make the decision in a vacuum. If someone will drive it into the ground, that's the most efficient. It doesn't necessarily have to be you.
it is more that producing electric cars is bad for environment , depending where its produced over its lifetime it will produce 10-25% over its lifetime more then petrol engine and this factors both fuel and electricity used for both , also these stats dont factor how terrible for environment mining lithium is. will that change in future? idk but right now they are not "green"
this ofc is very dependant how your country generates power , majority of world still does by fosil fuels , if you live in countries who are near 100% renewables or you got your own sollar pannels you can dip into green territory https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/electricity/images/outlet-graph-large.jpg this is from 2022 USA, majority is still "fosil fuels"
and mind you renewables are not 100% green (nothing is) and people get really mad when you start factoring co2/polution from all sources , becouse they think wind , solar or geothermal does not generate any(magical clean power) , but producing it , repairing it and "recycling/decomissioning it" does too , its not "miracle tech" but it it much better then counterparts
If the choice is "100% of your vehicle energy from fossil fuels" or "60% and falling", I think it's pretty clear the latter is a better choice. EVs aren't a panacea, they're a net improvement over ICE though
It really really depends on the manufacturer, for one. And for another, as the grid produces less carbon you get those improvements for free with an EV. If you live where major investments in renewables are ongoing, and you choose the EV carefully, it's likely that buying an EV now will result in far less CO2 over its life. Too many studies assume current mixture will persist
that is true , but it also depends on your country and local area , even most eco friendly car wont do that well if most electricity is fosil fuel , idealy , you would use solar pannels if you can have them at home to charge it or suplement some of it , but honestly...not having a car is far more eco friendly option , bus , train , bike , im aware we dont live in perfect world and you need to get to work , but if you can get away with not owning a car , dont , you be saving money too.
As a model x owner for past two years, I'm super disappointed with build quality. I've had to drive 3 hours to get issues fixed with mine 4 separate times in 2 years. Yikes. My parents' model 3 on the other hand has been a delightful, reliable car for 5 years.
People buy Teslas because they're Teslas. It's all clout-chasing nonsense. "Look at my status symbol!" The exact same reason that people buy high-powered Bavarian cars and VWs.
That's not fair. They're competently built to spec... they're just designed like shit and no amount of competent craftsmanship can make a bad design serviceable without changing the design.
Well the ones build in Germany are good so its more a workers issue, most likely underpaid overworked people in the us as we have laws to protect workers
Almost like they’re trying to tank the electric car. Like tanking a worldwide communication service. Or space travel. But who would try to destroy such great advances for humanity?
I am willing to give some slack to a brand new company, as long as it appears that they're striving to make improvements. However, with Tesla, it's been over a decade now, and, if anything, their build quality is somehow getting worse.
Is the build quality getting worse? How old is the posted video above? I'd bet that car was manufactured back in 2017-2018 when the build quality was crap. I've heard significantly less issues about 2021 and later builds. I've owned mine for a couple of years and haven't needed any service beyond rotating the tires. Every time I see one of these "Teslas are crap" videos, it is always cherry-picked from older models. You can find crappy builds of other brands, but nobody would care.
I agree that Elon is a dipshit, however, I bought a 2018 Tesla, you know, back when the asshole seemed to care about quality and customer service, and the car is fantastic, none of these issues. Also, Elon does built the cars, he’s just the idiot with money, the car is built by hard workers and engineers
And yet people are massively buying them. It's absolutely frustrating how shitty people get rewarded. The guy pissed away 40b on Twitter and is still the richest man ever. Seriously what the furk
There's a reason they get more range and have more power than other electric vehicles at their price point. Anyone buying them not knowing that is just playing themselves by not researching the car they buy or the alternatives.
I have no opinion one way or another. I love that the technology has finally been proven viable, but hate both the price tag & that the person who owns the company has decided that he'll never be rich enough unless he takes everyone else's money. I'd love to stop being so reliant on fossil fuels, but unless someone has a permanent solution to Muskrat's Money Problems, it's not something I'll ever be gable to afford. Financially or ethically.
It's tough because the cost of ownership studies say they are actually very competitive price wise, but if you don't have the upfront funds that's an irrelevant argument. Elon is a giant piece of trash, wish he would leave tesla. I bought a used one, elons association was nearly a deal breaker but the charging network here makes it hard to get anything else. We have really liked it.
My apt complex has charging stations in front of each building, & hardly anyone has a vehicle that needs one. I don't know that I'd ever buy a Tesla, even used, but maybe one of the other companies can come up w/ a vehicle design that would make the purchase worth the bank loan for me.
Union labor wouldn't be any better IMO. I worked in a unionized ag equipment manufacturing facility for years. While workers saw some great benefits and protections, making a high quality product was never part of a vast majority of their goals.
They're not great. If you have Tesla money, save up a little more so you can go straight to a Porsche Taycan. More comfortable ride, better built, and genuinely faster. You can carve canyons with it, no problem. Available in wagon or sedan.
A Porsche Taycan is at least twice the price of a Model 3. With incentives, and tax-credits I think you can get a model 3 for around $38k now, depending on your state. Model 3 overall cost of ownership over 5 years is on-par or less than a Honda Accord. Not sure where the "Tesla money" concept is coming from, they aren't that expensive.
May I interject an option: go down a brand and own something genuinely useful. Given the money, I'd go with a Hyundai, Polestar or the like. Once they branched away from building the 3 and roadster, Tesla's build quality went to absolute trash.
Well, people have been misunderstanding my comment as "the only way to go is up market", but that's my preference showing. You could go up, down, or horizontally with this. Also I was thinking of the Model S at the time. I've driven, ridden in, and delivered service parts for Teslas. I'm happy we own a Camry hybrid instead.
Yeah, no shit, none of them are. I don't buy cars because the companies are "ethical", I buy them because They're well built, they fit my life, and I can have fun driving them.
The base Taycan, which is not a valid comparison. To get comparable speed you'd need the one over $200k. Also, the Plaid is overpriced PR fodder anyway. Also, as with any car, the top trim is basically the same quality as the bottom one, just more gizmos and/or power etc.
Lightyear 0, made in Finland, Valmet Automotive that makes also for example Mercedes-AMG cars. Valmet Automotive is world's biggest contract manufacturer of cars, has made Porsche, Saab, Mercedes Benz for a while now... Combine robots and human workers to make the cars, worked there as a trainee one summer. Neat place, but holy fuck it is big.
That's true, but I don't know the CEOs name of Toyota and he's certainly not plastered here with anti trans and far right conspiracies every other day lol.
Reports vary between 27 to over 500 deaths for the pinto depending on if you ask Ford or Mother Jones. Tesla is currently at 62. What I would suggest is looking at Nissan Leaf and it's limited fire deaths in comparison.
No is not, afaik but Tesla burn twice more often then other BEV of the same Age. Which still means 10 times less then a ICE Car of similar Age, other BEV are at 18-20 times. So Tesla's are the Pinto of the BEV
Boatsntoes
I wanted one until I saw the build issues. Final nail was Elon going full right wing crazy. I won’t give him a dime.
TheLastNalbinder
xmaneds
that is gonna LEAK when it rains
AK90
They already do. Most notable are the tail lights and headlights
UncleMartha
Evidently all Teslas leak in the rain, but particularly the Model Y and the Model X. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0EgvaKrfIs&t=26s
ironymus
Tomadzo
“We’re not a car company. We’re a software company”
IhopeyougetstageIIIcoloncancer
Same way Microsoft is a software company. When they built hardware, we got the Zune and original XBox.
BuickRiviera
Hey the OG Xbox was cool.
Cuddlebutt
Oh so the software is really high quality with no major issues right?..... right?
jonReremy9669
yes. you all are the beta testers in real life. with real people at stake. and real lives at stake. SHITslas have more deaths and accidents per km/mi travelled than ICEs
Housemaster
Shaodyn
Probably $100k for something that looks like it was thrown together by a bunch of drunk monkeys.
Ste505
I didn't realise British Leyland had made a comeback.
jonReremy9669
bri'ish innit bruhv, bo'leowa'er innit guhvnah, tahp ah dah mahrnahng tah yah, worst-chester-shyre sauce oy innit
Snograt
Amazing. Cockney-ish, Irish-ish, and American tourist all in one sentence.
happywalker
they'll be back just as soon as they work out how they can make an electric car leak oil :-P
GeneralPrower
British Leyland actually allowed their workers to strike.
MikeReese9
Oh, you’ve been around awhile!
Dinwiddie
Ah, yes! The Leyland P76. Meant to bring Leyland out of the doldrums in Oz, but was such a lemon it became the nail in their coffin.
berserk
It was a good car, but holden and ford got to the unions, they went on strike at a crucial time, and the car failed due to lack of supply.
thundercactus
They took a steep dive after covid especially. I suspect the reason is because they don't have an auto union, so when they had to lay people off, they may have just switched careers. And when they needed workers back, they had to hire brand new untrained people. Whereas Ford/GM/Ram/etc calls union workers back.
pastaholic74
One hundred thousand dollar vehicle there.
RocMage
Good thing you didn't pay twice as much as a comparable car from another vendor... Oh wait, you did?
svga
tesla starting prices are around $30k-$35k nowadays I thought though yeah? I mean, elon bad and all, but more people buying more electric is good and cheaper prices
illiteratebeef
Lol, no. The model 3 starts at $40k and tops $70k with options. $130k for the top models and options.
svga
https://www.tesla.com/blog/35000-tesla-model-3-available-now</a> 35k was back in 2019 and really though it's in range with these others https://www.gobankingrates.com/saving-money/car/most-affordable-electric-vehicles/
iceynyo
At at $40k will save on average $2k/yr in fuel, and more if you drive more than that. You can only hit your high numbers if you add full self driving for a ridiculous $15k... But someone looking at the cheapest option doesn't really care about how high it can go.
ineedausernamerightmeow
For a long time comparable cars from other vendors didn't exist. Glad we're past those days.
HoneyBadgersAreBadAsses
I hope competition goes fiercely against Tesla, to throw this shit out of market.
Bulmynjo
I love my ioniq 5
SavageDrums
This is what I'm looking at right now. Glad to see positive reviews!
beeeeeeerkaaaaa
I think Tesla might go out of business when the bigauto makers enter the market en masse.
iceynyo
At the rate bigauto is moving, they'll be declaring bankruptcy before then. Probably when China moves in to eat their lunch before their slow bigauto asses get into gear... In the form of buying their names and parading them around on Chinese designed cars.
beeeeeeerkaaaaa
Lol. Who is paying you bot?
iceynyo
Lol who is paying you? Looks like bigauto puts money into absolutely anything except actually ramping production to "compete for real".
Freestila
My 5 year old dacia lodgy has some of these problems. Like now. And i could buy ten of these for teh price of one tesla...
Geveg
Was there ever a time when Teslas were built decently or have they always been bad?
The72ndRaven
Vancouver is quite frankly blanketed in fucking Teslas. There are so many better options out there, yet it's 100 Teslas a day. I actually hate those gatdamn pieces of shit.
Castriff
I don't think anyone's even made a computer that bad since the mid 80s
thereitis101
A few years ago, I was seeing a lot of Teslas in my area. They have diminished quite a bit in the last few years.
watocatowa
More and more here in SoCal. My 15 houses on my street and there are 3.
thereitis101
I’m in so cal too. It was the hot car and we were considering it. My in-laws too. They got a different one and yeah, it’s been visibly obvious haw many fewer there are.
Deadguy11
Own a model Y. Have none of the problems this guy is showing in the video.
thickythickydumdum
I've only seen THIS video get posted in regards to: "heres a vid proving teslas are cheaply made"....Kinda sus that this seems to be the video getting reposted. But would anyone really go on the internet and make a misleading video like that?
OverpricedCrayon
If you search “poor Tesla quality” in YouTube you get a bajillion videos.
thickythickydumdum
That's all well and good...I was just commenting that this specific video is the only one I've seem hit front page on imgur for whatever reason
InstantKarmaRelief
The internet tells me the ones built in China are higher quality. Not a Tesla owner.
billyrayvirus
Congrats, you're a beta tester!
meepmerp
I refuse to buy from this monster’s company. I’ll pay more for a luxury brand ev instead. ::waits impatiently for the Macan EV::
TheLastKingOfSomewhere
jonReremy9669
this would be funny if they didnt spend 420.69% of their time online defending lil muskkkie and could actually afford their own vehicles, or even a SHITsla. instead of needing to drive their mom to work in their mom's car, in order to be able to use their mom's car to go defend the honor, virtue, and virginity, of their supreme memelord against what you said in the forest
Astramancer
I thought you were supposed to carry a coil of optical fiber so you could bury it and within 10 minutes some yokel in a backhoe will be along to dig it up.
Frankmate
I get that musk has turned out to be a bit of a dick but there is more Teslas around atm and not a single one I’ve been in has these issues
QuigleyDownUnder
How did I know this was a Tesla before clicking the video
Neednoggle
Wendover on YouTube has a good video about how Tesla completely blew their lead, and their shit build quality definitely played into it.
jonReremy9669
SHITsla's days are done. stock is going to $0.69420 a share.
bbogs
absolutely ZERO innovation in their battery technology is so god damn funny. Welding together ~2000 vape batteries was the original founder's idea and it was clever in 2008, but its 2023 now and they got leapfrogged by way safer flat packed cells from real car makers
Noahbalboa82
Tesla is using different types of packs and chemistries across their lineup. LFP model 3 and y in China use prismatic construction batteries. Cylindrical cells in the rest. They have 3 different size cylindrical batteries. There are definitely changes in battery technology, though I think the more exciting stuff is now outside of Tesla, who is more focused on expanding. Our Next Energy has a cool dual chemistry design
iceynyo
And yet somehow those safer packs are the only ones suffering fleet wide recalls.
bbogs
yeah theyre built by real car companies not a tech company that ignores any and all regulations
iceynyo
That's a garbage argument. Most tesla fires are the result of a collision unlike spontaneous Chevy Bolt fires, but tesla fires are still only half of Bolt fires per capita even if you count every single tesla fire including ones where the car was lit from an external source.
METROlD
Its like hes looking for termites
ChickenLord666
Elon musk is a POS but I love my damn Tesla
bbogs
sorry, everybody thinks u bought it to support his anti trans sentiments
ChickenLord666
I mean ok but if I bought it before those statements doesn’t mean I’m complicit. I think we all agree he is a POS but so is every CEO you buy products from. He’s just more visible.
bbogs
i was just joshin u
nthensome
It's well known that the trim and fit on Teslas leave a lot to be desired but it's a quality vehicle overall
nanyatenyaa
If my piece of crap 15k nissan has better over all build quality than 50k+ tesla. Then the tesla's over all quality is complete horse shit. I dont have to worry about leaking ruin my car, or parts falling off. Thats a pretty shit level of qa.
ChickenLord666
That might be the experience some have but mine has not. And it’s fast as fuck. Believe me. I am not Elon musk supporter - but my experience is that car is amazing.
nanyatenyaa
Who the hell cares if its fast. Most people arent exactly taking a tesla to the track. So its fast as fuck at 75 miles per hour? LOL
montyman185
Acceleration. Family's got one that I leech off of when I can, and it is incredibly nice how quickly you get to the speed you're trying to get to, both speeding up and slowing down.
UncleMartha
This is a bit like saying, "That Schicklgruber guy is such a nazi, but I love my Volkswagen."
KungFuTreacheryQ
No, it's really not. Not everyone needs to be compared to nazis. Like you're allowed to use other things.
verone3784
Considered a Model S for all of five minutes until I saw one in the flesh and it looked like it was put together with a slingshot. Ended up going for a shorter range city EV that fits my needs perfectly, and is built way better.
CreativeThief
@verone3784 what did you get instead?
verone3784
A Honda e. Little thing is built like a tank, drives like a go-kart and is packed with tech.
4thwalled
I think 8t looks cool as hell.
verone3784
Yeah, and incredibly well built. Suits the Icelandic roads very well too!
SlickWithaLimerick
We just bought a wrangler 4xe, and I"m in love with it.
motherfluffer
And they so $$$$$$
SkamanSam
I really wish hydros would make it in the US. Honda makes a HVAC unit for 10kusd that makes heavy water from natural gas. That sounds WAY better than all the shit byproducts of EVs.
MeowWoof
But what's the realistic top speed of a heating/ventilation/air conditioner?
SkamanSam
Lol. For those who dont know, It means you can make the fuel at your house.
MeowWoof
So on Honda's page here https://global.honda/newsroom/news/2023/c230202eng.html they never mention the term HVAC, but they do mention FCEV. And a google search for "HVAC vehicle" was basically all related to the type of vehicle HVAC installers drive. Methinks you may have had the wrong acronym in your head.
EvLPxL
Check out the new Prius Prime
StellaMatutina
A lasting positive Ellen may have had is making electric cars cool to the mainstream. Hopefully over time that impression lasts and remains marketable, profitable for companies to continue making more, and better ones
mikeatike
Ellen lol
Twrecks123
The handles seem like they’d break a lot too.
vintikova
I know someone who is an early Tesla adopter and he has had to replace ALL handles on the vehicle at least once
MissKittyfantastico5
My partner has an S and he's been in multiple times for the door handles. He's on his 2nd S and this one had door that didn't close right so it was always open
moffit
why on earth would he get a second one
Bulmynjo
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
dudeinjapan
Tesla had that first mover advantage and squandered it on hype instead of investing in quality manufacturing.
Eolande2006
Yep. He got an extended range Nissan Leaf and we love it. It’s solid. No regrets.
howwouldyoudescribeyourself
Same, we love our Leaf! Just have to see how we'll fit three kids in the back :)
Eolande2006
That will be hard. We have one in forward facing and one in a booster and there isn’t much room between!
howwouldyoudescribeyourself
Yea I know. So far we have a baby car seat in front and a reboarder in the back. It'll be a tight squeeze into the middle seat for me with another forward facing one in the back, and my husband will have to drive always bc he def can't squeeze in the middle. I fit just barely hip bone to hip bone. We'll see how annoying it gets and then switch cars if we really have to.
Eolande2006
*We
kepattRunner
It feels weird when couples follow each other’s posts here…like the equivalent of two people sharing a facebook account
AawesomeAardvaark
It's weird, but also fucking awesome to be in that type of couple. Ppl think codependency is bad, it's just living and loving your best friend.
kepattRunner
No, codependency IS bad. Definitively bad. Bring-in-a-therapist-bad. It’s not romantic or beautiful or anything like that, it’s super unhealthy
AawesomeAardvaark
Well, turns out codependency is basically the opposite of what I meant. I learned it means that one person is the giver and the other is a narcissistic taker. What an odd word for that. My bad y'all.
Eolande2006
Oops. Sorry. I meant to write we. Not related to the previous commenter at all. Talking about my husband and I.
kepattRunner
Well that just goes to show what I know: don’t buy a Tesla! My bad:)
PerrinAybara564
That's Eoland's secret, they're not together c:
Eolande2006
Correct. Spelling error I didn’t notice. My bad.
Aeonika
Mine follows me occasionally and we are definitely weird.
kepattRunner
There’s that saying, “if you’re gonna be weird, be confident about it,” and I can respect that I guess
Aeonika
Eolande2006
I wish my husband was on Imgur. He looks at the memes I send him, but otherwise hasn’t fallen in love with it.
ThePunishersVengefulBrother
My wife doesn't understand memes, so there's no hope of her joining.
Aeonika
Mine isn't a regular either but between us it's a nice amount of bullshit covered
bumblebeetunaaa
We got one as an Uber (whatever the upgraded version was called 4-5 years ago) once and HATED it. Sitting in the back seat felt like we were sitting on plastic and everything around us was also plastic. So uncomfortable.
bbogs
Yeah the one time I ever sat in one the entire thing squeaked like rubbing plastic on plastic. Every turn, bump, just caused more of the shit trim to make noise
Texotron
0 problems with mine. Best car I have ever owned. Elon is an ass though...
LoudBirb
Yeah. I can only speak to the Model 3 I've got, but agreed on both counts. Haven't seen any of the production/build quality issues everyone absolutely assures me should be there. Musk also sucks rancid farts.
bbogs
perfect fit and finish on my nazi car
LoudBirb
Near every single major corporation (including the car manufacturers) is owned/run by shitty billionaires who do the exact same shit as Musk except they're less loud and stupid about it. IMGUR itself uses Amazon Web Services, and Bezos ain't any better. He's just quieter about it.
nanyatenyaa
Elon is a hater monger who bought a platform to increase his hate mongering. Bezos is just a greedy fuck. I'd rather deal with the greedy fuck.
LoudBirb
Bezos bought The Washington Post in order to influence what could be said about him or his companies. Don't get me wrong, Musk sucks donkey dick. But Bezos does the same kind of shit, just quietly. Arguably, that's even more dangerous, as people aren't as on guard against his bullshit. My point is that it's nearly impossible to avoid using products that are owned by shitty billionaires to some degree. Instead of turning on other consumers about it, we should be focused on the billionaires/corps.
iceynyo
You better be driving a Ford or a Korean car, otherwise you also are driving a Nazi mobile or a communist mobile.
AtLeastImWearingUnderwear
I have news for you about Henry Ford
theInfinitelyProlonged
And, you can't repair them at all. Real shame they were named after Tesla.
iceynyo
And since then they've changed a lot about end user repair, including releasing the maintenance manuals for free and making parts available for purchase at service centres. They even reached out to Rich to get his input on how to improve access for people who want to make repairs.
theInfinitelyProlonged
It's a baby step, but they still don't want outside mechanics repairing their cars. There are Teslas in junk yards for minor damage.
iceynyo
And there's videos on YouTube of people buying those for pennies and fixing them up, so it's definitely possible.
theInfinitelyProlonged
Possible... But a costly nightmare.
iceynyo
Especially when a new one is like $32k
YouTubeRed
Better name would have been .Edison. Which seems to fit muskys mentality better (sound)
theInfinitelyProlonged
Yes, it would have been a more fitting name.
Xenomania
Been seeing more Teslas in my area. Most likely soon Ford and Chevrolet will have affordable electric vehicles with better services. At this point it really seems more like a status thing. I mean, go green 100%, so go ahead, buy it. But don't act like you're superior when you paid bank for a poor product from a shit person. Anyway, support electric vehicles and green infrastructure, but also try not to support assholes.
clarkWhogotsanity
It will get there but grid capacity needs to increase to support the new electric fleet especially those that need fast chargers. Like in order for them to put a fast charger on our shop they have to pull a new line from the transformer to support the power demand
ropetopus
lots of manufacturers already make better quality, more affordable EVs than Tesla. Tesla's early-to-market advantage makes them a default choice, but that's not going to last unless they can sort out their quality problems without raising prices
zeugl
Teslas are hardly green. Best example probably being the batteries.
GGertie
Tbf he only exposed himself as an asshole recently. And I'm pretty sure all corporate CEOs are also assholes, just quieter about it. There is no truly ethical car purchasing decision. All corporations are greedy assholes.
JohnWickdidnothingwrong
This here. Until he showed his actual face, he seemed like a wierdo, which is great, rather than an asshole, which is not.
SherMattLockSmith
My sister up in WA owns a Chevy Volt, I wish I could get one. I am stuck with a 2000 buick. It may only have a 40/45 mile electric range, but that is way more than enough for any of my daily driving and even when on gas it is way more efficient than a friggin buick. Sadly they are discontinuing them!
geekstudios
PHEV is where it’s at. I have a 2017 Volt. I almost never use gas except for longer trips where recharging would be a PITA with a Tesla. It’s battery is about 1/6 the size of a full EV battery, so less initial carbon footprint. Unfortunately Chevy abandoned their Voltec platform to go full EV. But Toyota is taking up the mantle now. Prius Prime and Rav 4 Prime look like great options.
icer190
People: We want an electric mustang! Ford: best we can do is a rebadged electric explorer.
unluckyandbored
GM already has affordable EVs. The Bolt EUV starts around $30K and has over 200 miles of range.
MisterLemons
I wouldn't count on Ford, Chrysler, of GM to produce anything that won't break in the dumbest ways possible. Several years in a shop has taught me that they won't exceed expectations because they know damn well that whatever they churn out people will buy. Then again, they might develop a knack for it, but my experience with the three leaves me with HEAVY doubts on their abilities to work with wiring and circuitry.
imakebuns
I swear vehicles are deliberately designed to fall apart after the warranty period. We always get a pre expiry inspection that comes back always 100% great, I book it in again couple days after warranty goes and it's wild how many issues suddenly pop up in under a week. Then I get my previous paper and say "looks like that should all be covered then since 1 week ago none of these problems existed." Needless to say we won't be buying chev again. Shady aholes, and shit product.
Overextendeddullard
Avilan1972
Over here almost all Teslas are at least one generation old, Almost all new EVs are by traditional brands (mainly Mercedes and KIA)
DukeofKMS
Ford or Chevy, yes. Or even real cars like BMW, VW, Opel, Audi or Skoda. You know? With gaps less than an inch.
Koldfront
Completely ignoring how much emission is created in the manufacturing of a EV battery, if you drive electric and you're charging at stations, you're still using fossil-fuel made electricity and you've made zero difference other than satisfying your own morals.
CincoProductsINC
Electric cars take x4 the amount of metals as a regular car.
DidItForScience
I think Chevy just discontinued their cheapest EV for some weird reason.
PimpinKen
Heard rhe Ford mustang was absolute shit
OverpricedCrayon
It’s more environmentally friendly to drive a used car. But I get that doesn’t solve the CO2 emissions from the tail pipe of the used car also.
HolyShitDudeCalmDown
Just eat less meat. That's one of the best things you can do for the planet.
atrielienz
A Mach E is is like $47K MSRP. A Tesla model 3 is like $41k MSRP. The electric Ford focus was $30k MSRP. The only reason people bought Teslas originally was for the free charging which most of their cars no longer receive. It's not that other automakers aren't making affordable EV's. The Chevy Bolt is something like $29-30K MSRP. It's that Tesla owns the infrastructure in a lot of places. Even BMW are making EV's for like $30K (see the electric Mini). All these cars qualified for tax breaks in
SavageDrums
Tesla and other companies are working on a deal for universal chargers, so the infrastructure will start shifting soon as well.
qhogan11337
I have the Bolt and I love it. It was relatively cheap and Chevy put in a 240 volt charger for me as well. I've had one problem with it involving a battery monitor bug, but a firmware patch resolved it. Definitely better than a Tesla!
MikeReese9
There’s an electric Focus??
atrielienz
There was from 2011 to 2018.
yakastan
Hyundai/Kia are going to be huge in the next 5 years. I love the look of the Ionic 5 and that is just the beginning
atrielienz
previous years. And none of them have quality problems like what Tesla is seeing on a wide scale.
Beldie
Weren't all the Bolts recalled just last December because their pack batteries were catching fire at an alarming rate? Didn't Ford recall a bunch of lightninings due to battery problems just this spring? You've got a bias if you think that GM and Ford haven't had quality problems with their EVs. Tesla having fit and finish quality issues at least won't burn your house down.
atrielienz
As I said before I another comment we're not talking about the HEV batteries or anything like that. We're talking about what was discussed in the video above which is trim and panel build quality. Since that is what is being discussed and since both Ford and Chevy have recalled those vehicles to fix those issues, that's a moot point. Tesla is not fixing the build quality issues showcased in the video above. Tesla has had it's own issues with recalls for batteries and seatbelts.
atrielienz
Teslas also being investigated by the federal government for their self driving features because they don't drive safely and often perform illegal moving violations. Haven't heard a word about a Chevy just merging into a lane with no signal or blowing through a stop sign on its own. Your move though.
nosnowyno
Um 2018 - 2020 Bolts were catching fire at an alarming rate, but to be fair it was an issue with the Korean batteries - just in case someone is considered a used Bolt.
Tenugui
Chevy replaces the battery for free with a better one. Pretty much like getting a brand new engine after driving the car for 25-50k miles.
atrielienz
Yeah but pretty much all automakers seem to have had some problem or another with catching fire. It's not just a problem with EV's. What I'm talking about is actual factual build quality. Tesla has always had problems with that. A lot of other car brands haven't. Not on a grand scale.
NancyReaganSchoolOfGawk
IIRC Tesla has surpassed the Ford Pinto on being the most problematic vehicle in history.
DrBlackJack
If you really wanna go green, drive your old car into the ground. Between 60 and 70% of emissions a car is responsible for over its life are released during production. Once your car is dead, sure buy electric, but it's better to use up an old gass car than it is to buy a new electric car. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/green-living-blog/2010/sep/23/carbon-footprint-new-car
nomorehate
I'm driving my 02 civic until one of us dies, he'll probably kill both of us though. Can't go over 55 bc it feels like the car is going to split in half.
unluckyandbored
This. It is almost always better both for the environment and your wallet to keep your old car running than to replace it with a newer car, even if the new car is more efficient. Keep your old car until it's more expensive to fix than it's worth.
Noraneko
What about buying a used diesel engine car? They've already been build. Might as well use them. And they can drive way more km than e95
Xenomania
That's what I've been doing. I've had my beast for 16 years. I try to drive as little as possible and offset my carbon footprint in other ways. Next car is an EV.
ropetopus
it depends. Putting your car on the used market reduces demand for new ICE cars as well, so you can't make the decision in a vacuum. If someone will drive it into the ground, that's the most efficient. It doesn't necessarily have to be you.
Varenvel
it is more that producing electric cars is bad for environment , depending where its produced over its lifetime it will produce 10-25% over its lifetime more then petrol engine and this factors both fuel and electricity used for both , also these stats dont factor how terrible for environment mining lithium is. will that change in future? idk but right now they are not "green"
DidItForScience
How will it produce more pollution over its lifetime than an ICE car?
Varenvel
this ofc is very dependant how your country generates power , majority of world still does by fosil fuels , if you live in countries who are near 100% renewables or you got your own sollar pannels you can dip into green territory https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/electricity/images/outlet-graph-large.jpg this is from 2022 USA, majority is still "fosil fuels"
Varenvel
and mind you renewables are not 100% green (nothing is) and people get really mad when you start factoring co2/polution from all sources , becouse they think wind , solar or geothermal does not generate any(magical clean power) , but producing it , repairing it and "recycling/decomissioning it" does too , its not "miracle tech" but it it much better then counterparts
ropetopus
If the choice is "100% of your vehicle energy from fossil fuels" or "60% and falling", I think it's pretty clear the latter is a better choice. EVs aren't a panacea, they're a net improvement over ICE though
ropetopus
It really really depends on the manufacturer, for one. And for another, as the grid produces less carbon you get those improvements for free with an EV. If you live where major investments in renewables are ongoing, and you choose the EV carefully, it's likely that buying an EV now will result in far less CO2 over its life. Too many studies assume current mixture will persist
Varenvel
that is true , but it also depends on your country and local area , even most eco friendly car wont do that well if most electricity is fosil fuel , idealy , you would use solar pannels if you can have them at home to charge it or suplement some of it , but honestly...not having a car is far more eco friendly option , bus , train , bike , im aware we dont live in perfect world and you need to get to work , but if you can get away with not owning a car , dont , you be saving money too.
Sebastopol140
It's a known fact that Teslas are built like shit.
jonReremy9669
UncleMartha
Kind of related, an ex-gf bought a bare-bones "key and a heater" Kia Sephia in 1995 and that little car is still going strong!
ImgurLurkerForLife
As a model x owner for past two years, I'm super disappointed with build quality. I've had to drive 3 hours to get issues fixed with mine 4 separate times in 2 years. Yikes. My parents' model 3 on the other hand has been a delightful, reliable car for 5 years.
Macetheace50
And driven by Bad Drivers who shouldn't have a driver's licence. Tesla drivers have replaced BMW driver for Worst Drivers on the road.
UncleMartha
People buy Teslas because they're Teslas. It's all clout-chasing nonsense. "Look at my status symbol!" The exact same reason that people buy high-powered Bavarian cars and VWs.
PineappleLoopsBroether
My older friend refuses to believe it… I brought it up to warn him not to but NOOO …. Whatever dude!
jonReremy9669
every trusted, standard, industry metric, always puts them in at the bottom. the only thing they excel at, is charging speed.
PineappleLoopsBroether
I’m pretty surprised to see Mitsubishi so high and Porsche so low.
SkycladNightStroller
I’ve had 1/4 of the cars on that list and don’t believe it
BillHubbard
As are most American cars. Yet Tesla is the worst of them all.
GlowstickJedi
And have even worse brakes.
IhopeyougetstageIIIcoloncancer
That's not fair. They're competently built to spec... they're just designed like shit and no amount of competent craftsmanship can make a bad design serviceable without changing the design.
Otoger
Well the ones build in Germany are good so its more a workers issue, most likely underpaid overworked people in the us as we have laws to protect workers
Puppersforall
The Chinese built ones we get in the UK are also made very well indeed. I'm not sure what that says about American manufacturing, haha.
hospitalmom
Almost like they’re trying to tank the electric car. Like tanking a worldwide communication service. Or space travel. But who would try to destroy such great advances for humanity?
Imustupvotealltacos
Even newer ones from The Big Three feel like the insides are made out of crap plastic
jonReremy9669
yes. but they arent falling apart like this shitSLA. there is a nig difference between cheaping out on material, and build quality.
Avilan1972
Who downvoted this? I take plastic interior over leather interior with the car falling apart around me any time.
Vergenbuurg
I am willing to give some slack to a brand new company, as long as it appears that they're striving to make improvements. However, with Tesla, it's been over a decade now, and, if anything, their build quality is somehow getting worse.
Beldie
Is the build quality getting worse? How old is the posted video above? I'd bet that car was manufactured back in 2017-2018 when the build quality was crap. I've heard significantly less issues about 2021 and later builds. I've owned mine for a couple of years and haven't needed any service beyond rotating the tires. Every time I see one of these "Teslas are crap" videos, it is always cherry-picked from older models. You can find crappy builds of other brands, but nobody would care.
heyoo42
I agree that Elon is a dipshit, however, I bought a 2018 Tesla, you know, back when the asshole seemed to care about quality and customer service, and the car is fantastic, none of these issues. Also, Elon does built the cars, he’s just the idiot with money, the car is built by hard workers and engineers
wmzer0mw1
And yet people are massively buying them. It's absolutely frustrating how shitty people get rewarded. The guy pissed away 40b on Twitter and is still the richest man ever. Seriously what the furk
HydrophobicDude
There's a reason they get more range and have more power than other electric vehicles at their price point. Anyone buying them not knowing that is just playing themselves by not researching the car they buy or the alternatives.
SleeperXib
Children today don't take any pride in their work.
SerenePrincess013
How do you know it's a Tesla? They are, but I've not seen one up close enough to know how to tell the difference w/o seeing the logo.
GoCorral
It's a repost. Previous post identified it
TacoPoweredHelicopter
Because this post has been made a billion times, they are no worse then other cars just fun to hate. Elon sucks monkey balls but the cars are ok.
SerenePrincess013
I have no opinion one way or another. I love that the technology has finally been proven viable, but hate both the price tag & that the person who owns the company has decided that he'll never be rich enough unless he takes everyone else's money. I'd love to stop being so reliant on fossil fuels, but unless someone has a permanent solution to Muskrat's Money Problems, it's not something I'll ever be gable to afford. Financially or ethically.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
It's tough because the cost of ownership studies say they are actually very competitive price wise, but if you don't have the upfront funds that's an irrelevant argument. Elon is a giant piece of trash, wish he would leave tesla. I bought a used one, elons association was nearly a deal breaker but the charging network here makes it hard to get anything else. We have really liked it.
SerenePrincess013
My apt complex has charging stations in front of each building, & hardly anyone has a vehicle that needs one. I don't know that I'd ever buy a Tesla, even used, but maybe one of the other companies can come up w/ a vehicle design that would make the purchase worth the bank loan for me.
zxwaffen
Weather stripping and door seals falling off a brand new car is not "no worse then other cars." Especially not in those price ranges.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
It's nit as common as this reposted video seems to think..
StormBurnX
We love manufactured outrage.
TheDaharMaster
I live in the Bay Area and holy smokes there are a lot of them. Every 5th car on the road is a tesla. The other 4 are massive trucks
danimalh839
My Jeep GC looked much the same.
YouTubeRed
sound
atomfixes101
So much so, that the republicans are now laughing that musk tricked a bunch of stupid liberals into buying shit cars.
UsernamesAreStupidAnyways
I honestly think if someone else owned the company, production value would be higher.
AuntieCoddswaddle
I spent YEARS trying to convince my husband of this and it’s only since muskrat went mask off that he’s started to believe me
FrozenCoast
Non-union labour.
mjperk
Union labor wouldn't be any better IMO. I worked in a unionized ag equipment manufacturing facility for years. While workers saw some great benefits and protections, making a high quality product was never part of a vast majority of their goals.
jonReremy9669
and they want to export chinese made SHITslas to the rest of the world. lol rip in piece
shiftdi3s3l
They're not great. If you have Tesla money, save up a little more so you can go straight to a Porsche Taycan. More comfortable ride, better built, and genuinely faster. You can carve canyons with it, no problem. Available in wagon or sedan.
Mentok
Such an awesome car
UpDownLeft
I expect to be down voted to hell but a base model 3 is ~$30k after federal rebate. It's among the least expensive EVs in the US. https://www.forbes.com/sites/brookecrothers/2023/06/04/tesla-is-doubling-down-on-model-3-discounts-creating-problems-for-ev-rivals/?sh=3a262f979057
Beldie
A Porsche Taycan is at least twice the price of a Model 3. With incentives, and tax-credits I think you can get a model 3 for around $38k now, depending on your state. Model 3 overall cost of ownership over 5 years is on-par or less than a Honda Accord. Not sure where the "Tesla money" concept is coming from, they aren't that expensive.
GuRoo
The video states Plaid
LDRcycles
Bonus of the Taycan sounding like a badass spaceship even at walking pace
kmikl
May I interject an option: go down a brand and own something genuinely useful. Given the money, I'd go with a Hyundai, Polestar or the like. Once they branched away from building the 3 and roadster, Tesla's build quality went to absolute trash.
sandmannet
The Ford Mustang Mach-E is really nice.
kmikl
I was thinking about one. If I have to start commuting to work again, I'll give it a look.
GuRoo
We have a Hyundai Kona EV an Volvo XC 40. They’re fantastic EVs
shiftdi3s3l
Well, people have been misunderstanding my comment as "the only way to go is up market", but that's my preference showing. You could go up, down, or horizontally with this. Also I was thinking of the Model S at the time. I've driven, ridden in, and delivered service parts for Teslas. I'm happy we own a Camry hybrid instead.
kmikl
Ah, dang... I meant Model S as well.
Avilan1972
Fucke even if you have Tesla money, buy an EV from a real car company, like an Audi, or Merc, or KIA. Or anyone else who knows how to car.
bloodtaker3
Meh. VW/Porsche is not an ethical company either.
Avilan1972
Now list any company (period) that is "ethical".
shiftdi3s3l
Yeah, no shit, none of them are. I don't buy cars because the companies are "ethical", I buy them because They're well built, they fit my life, and I can have fun driving them.
HydrophobicDude
'A little more'. Dude, it's like $100k more. Triple the price.
kal1097
The car in the video is the plaid version apparently, which starts at about 136k. The Taycan is about 87k.
HydrophobicDude
The base Taycan, which is not a valid comparison. To get comparable speed you'd need the one over $200k. Also, the Plaid is overpriced PR fodder anyway. Also, as with any car, the top trim is basically the same quality as the bottom one, just more gizmos and/or power etc.
LAMovieDesign
If you have Tesla money and can save a little more, go for the Lucid. They’re pretty much the cars Elon wishes he built.
shiftdi3s3l
Also an option, but not one I'd go to. Matter of taste.
WatcherNotCreeper
So, Elon vs Saudi is our choice: https://www.makeuseof.com/who-owns-lucid-motors/
fuelpergallon
Rivian!
rusrsdude
So both horrible choices. Any other EVs worth mentioning?
iamnoobplzhelp
Fisker? I don't know much about them, but heard a friend who is similarly turned off by Tesla mention it.
shiftdi3s3l
Ford Mach-E (I refuse to call this a Mustang), and Hyundai Ioniq 5.
Haemaelaeinen
Lightyear 0, made in Finland, Valmet Automotive that makes also for example Mercedes-AMG cars. Valmet Automotive is world's biggest contract manufacturer of cars, has made Porsche, Saab, Mercedes Benz for a while now... Combine robots and human workers to make the cars, worked there as a trainee one summer. Neat place, but holy fuck it is big.
photog
Two reason ill never buy one, 1. Built like shit 2. Can't afford it
datester35
Yeah you're not buying it for quality, you're buying it for experimental tech.
FreeDadvice
3. Elon Musk is a twat.
nosnowyno
*Twatter
Overextendeddullard
An insult to twats.
FlatPlutoSociety
Fuck Musk forever, but I doubt you have a lot of car choices if you want to buy from a company whose CEO isn't a complete piece of shit.
IrishCyko
That's true, but I don't know the CEOs name of Toyota and he's certainly not plastered here with anti trans and far right conspiracies every other day lol.
IOnlyNeedOneBall
4. More fires per Tesla built, than the fucking Pinto.
JaimeLannistersRightHand
ViscousCousCous
oh yikes
ViscousCousCous
if you're old enough, the Pinto comparison makes more sense.
kmikl
If this is for real, can you show the data? That's fucking scary.
IOnlyNeedOneBall
Reports vary between 27 to over 500 deaths for the pinto depending on if you ask Ford or Mother Jones. Tesla is currently at 62. What I would suggest is looking at Nissan Leaf and it's limited fire deaths in comparison.
Elkarlo77
No is not, afaik but Tesla burn twice more often then other BEV of the same Age. Which still means 10 times less then a ICE Car of similar Age, other BEV are at 18-20 times. So Tesla's are the Pinto of the BEV