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MouseDenton
Long story short, no evil doer thinks they're the bad guy.
grummico
Unless they do.
LaHawks
Hitler was a commanding leader and one of the best public speakers of his time. This is how he accomplished what he did. People seem to 1/
YoureyouandImnot
He gave speeches because doing so excited him sexually. Look it up.
Idontunderstandreddit
This is a very good point and I have now become suspicious of Tony Robbins
Rexli78
If Hitler had the common decency to die in 1939 he would have been remembered as the greatest statesmen in Germany. While the man who
Rexli78
succeeded him would have been known as the most hated person ever.
LaHawks
hate seeing anyone praise him for anything but you can't deny it.
bigblindguy
Well the above story I left when they said he ordered pheasant cause Im pretty sure he was a vegitarian
fivefootone
Wiki says he was veggie from '42 onwards, if it was a world leaders luncheon, it was most likely before war broke out
Brant04
He was also a pretty great artist
Sheldonian
He did a lot of things right, he was great for the economy, but that doesn't change that he committed genocide and wanted the Aryan race 1/
Sheldonian
To rule the world. The idea of acknowledge the merits of a criminal doesn't change his crimes, you can acknowledge both without a problem 2/
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
It's because I agree with your overall sentiment that I disagree with your initial statement- he really wasn't that "great" for the 1/
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
economy. He managed to postpone the hardship felt by war reparations by (effectively) defaulting on Germany's debt, and paid for the war 2/
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
downplay his merits, we shouldn't seek to stretch dubious claims to make him seem more neutral in a larger historical context. 5/5
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
willingness to forgive the previous debt (and not demand full repayment) and reinvest in German infrastructure. Just as we shouldn't 4/
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
effort by forcing banks to buy (effectively) government junk bonds at full value. What really saved the economy was the Allies' 3/
Sheldonian
You can learn from a criminal and still know that what he did was wrong.
CaptinCuddles
He wasn't a good economist, unless you consider focusing mostly on the production of weapons and tanks, then since nobody is gonna buy 1/2
LaHawks
Precisely. Al Capone was a bad guy too but did do many good things as well.
yourpalBuddyChrist
He was a great economist also. He took Germany out of a massive recession and turned them into a super power in like 10 or so years
whatsisname
That's a broken window fallacy.
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
Ehh, I wouldn't say "great" economist. He never really set up a sustainable economic system that could continue to propel growth in a post->
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
war society. There were even many cracks growing in his system before his invasion of Poland. /end
CaptinCuddles
Well his economy was based mostly on the creation of weapons and using them to steal other people's shit
TresusIbor
Did that depend on him doing the fucked up shit he did, or could they have improved the economy without the tyranny and war?
EADimgur
Well to be fair most of the REALLY shitty stuff came post-getting Germany's economy out of the gutter. Can't wage war if you can't make guns
IThinkYouGotAFineBrainJack
He also killed the leader of the Nazis. People always forget that about him.
khora
More than that, he killed many of the runner ups as well #LongKnifes
yourpalBuddyChrist
Oh yeah! That's the most important part!
FrangensisMcdolan
He had a well groomed mustache. People always disregard the quality of his mustache grooming.
Norwegianguywholikesstuff
Problem is that he also killed the man who killed Hitler, though.
BenjaminPannell
Terrible war strategist though. He never would have gotten as far as he did without his competent generals.
CaptinCuddles
Yea like when he decided to rejected assault rifles as he deemed them as unhonourable
relicen
Yeah, most of Europe is lucky he was so "hands on" in his military leadership.
GooBa25
People always forget about the death camps that Japan got away with in china
Sekolah
And the happy camps in the US, or how we handled riots in Chicago during ww2..
calway
Or the "Holodmor", the man-made famine that Russia used to kill millions of Ukrainians.
bigblindguy
Got away with? They were beaten back to their home islands then nuked. Twice.
SnickerDONTle
In the west maybe, but there's a reason most Asian countries kind of hate Japan
FrozenTime
I read (Imgur comments) that Japan still has war statues and stuff and refuses to acknowledge / denounce anything they did. That'll do it.
LavaAxe
Everybody should just let them have their statues and forget about what they stand for, like Confederate statues! It's heritage!
FrozenTime
I'm Asian and those statues mean nothing to me. I understand the contempt the older gen might hold, but it's just history for everyone else.
IJNHiryu
They didn't even have death camps. They butchered them like animals wherever they could, whenever they could. It wasn't nearly "as clean"
Cereaza
They were camps that just became death camps by virtue of how horrible they were.
LavaAxe
Jap officers had competitions how many Chinese civilians they could kill with a sword.
GooBa25
They also had death and rape camps
GrrrGiraffe
We dropped atomic bombs on Japan.
Rexli78
The US and Japan are squared, but Japan still owes China and Korea an acknowledgement and an apology for what they did.
GrrrGiraffe
Definitely.
Rexli78
And the US owes The Chinese and the Koreans an apology for allowing the Japanese to skate on their crimes against them.
cryogenian
Which is relevant how?
GrrrGiraffe
Because Japan didn't go completely unpunished. It's also why no one brings up what Japan was doing during that time, because the bombs (1)
GrrrGiraffe
wreaked havoc for a while. (2)
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
Also made very populous cities have incredibly high cancer rates.
chrishallett83
The US ran internment camps for citizens with Japanese ethnic origins, too.
GooBa25
Did they rape and kill them?
chrishallett83
Why does that matter? Building prison labour camps for their own citizens is surely bad enough without murder and rape being involved too?
Winterboer
Not comparable to the Burma death railway or any of the other internment camps the Japanese ran.
chrishallett83
It's not a fucking race to the bottom, kiddo. If the POTUS decided they wanted to round up every member of your ethnicity and send them (1)
blainetog
The US Internment Camps were an atrocity but they aren't anywhere near the same thing as what Japan did to China.
Cereaza
Internment camps were shameful. But the Japanese went so far. The Bataan Death March was the modern day Trail of Tears.
LizardEnterprises
Don't forget unit 731...
Cereaza
Was it Ken Burns WW2 that I saw? I was crying through unit 731. Those boys fought hard.
1Plebian
I like how this is a ground breaking concept for some people.
Tywinning
Many struggle to see anything but black and white in the world, "all _ are _" etc
TwoBitFortuneTeller
Since the beginning of recorded human history, people have always wanted to simplify things to "good versus evil". It has its roots back
TwoBitFortuneTeller
in the earliest forms of tribal warfare, the development of religion to justify war, when we didn't care so much about nuance.
1Plebian
religion wasn't developed to justify war, you seem to be overthinking this
sacredgray
Maybe I'm wrong, but it feels like this post is trying to downplay the hate march or muddy the waters.
ThePowerOf42
Also.. Evil happens when good men (and women) do nothing
EvilEkips
Edmund Burke?
WowSoSparkly
and make everything about themselves "but i'm not a bad person, or my friends, NotAllWhatever" and meanwhile, fuckery still happens
tinytyrant
even back then Hitler had his detractors, he called them 'haters'.
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
But Trump calls them "haters and losers". Yuuuuge difference. Sad!
tinytyrant
http://imgur.com/6UsgNaq
Neogreenyew
It's not a hard concept to grasp. People are too quick to dehumanize people that they disagree with. 1/2
Neogreenyew
This happens way too often between different economic classes like upper/lower class. 2/2
ButteryKen
When they're marching on the streets, swastikas on high spouting white supremecist shite they're Nazis
ButteryKen
Obviously not socialists though. Just Naaaas
Glock10mmG20
If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, Bin Laden, and Toby, I would shoot Toby twice.
TigerHollywood
What you really need to do is line them up and shoot them all through the neck. And then shoot Toby again.
RavensX1X
They make one wrong conclusion: we are not all good with a chance of bad, but bad having to strive for good.
Yavin1v
i disagree
VultureTX
Exactly. primate studies will wreck you view of inherent goodness in humans.
flyingmonsters
No not really
GrundleFondler
I wouldn't label it as a fact but rather a a philosophical standpoint some might agree to, other not as it's hard to present solid evidence
ImgurCelebrity
found the Catholic.
RavensX1X
Nahh, I'm not a RC.
balmut
Murse1974
So how was the Extermination of Jews for the betterment of the country. Hitler was evil.
SevenLeagueBoots
Hitler said the same things about Jews that Leftists are now saying about "the 1%".
roads88mph
It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - Watchmen
stopcorrectingmyfukinggrammar
That must have been a lot of work putting text to those videos because there's no sound and fuck Hitler
DrkLng
The road to hell IS paved with good intentions.
eldridge749
Sticking six million people in gas chambers, that is evil and it was purposeful.
ImgurCelebrity
It seems you've somehow interpreted this as an assertion that Hitler didn't do evil.
eldridge749
No, the soft selling of the idea people in general are capable of that evil , it was down playing.
cryogenian
Actually most of those six million died of disease and malnutrition.
eldridge749
It is the devil's math regardless.
GaryTheCuttlefish
But Hitler thought that he was doing good. I guess a way that you could say it is that the man isn't the evil ones, it is his actions 1/2
eldridge749
He was making Germany great again, men are responsible for their actions.
GaryTheCuttlefish
A man will very rarely think that he is doing something evil, unless they are seriously emotionally disturbed. Though of course hitlers
GaryTheCuttlefish
Actions we're despicable and completely unforgivable in every sense of the word, he was not inherently an evil man, very few are,
GaryTheCuttlefish
And I think that it's important that we as people, see him as a person as well, who loved, laughed, cried, and not some evil emotionless
GaryTheCuttlefish
Faceless non-human entity. It's important that we know that he was a normal person, just like any of us, which means that
FvcktangularBondulance
"Tumblr is probably the only place we could have this conversation and not be lynched." Are ya fuckin' kidding me?
EarthAnimalArmy
no, and there are rumors of lynch mob trying to figure out who these people are
schylow
"Ignore that last comment, lest you miss the point of this whole post."
spacemouse15
Yes, the site that will lynch u because u said "how are you?" wouldn't lynch anyone speaking any lvl of kindness about Hitler.
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
Ya come over to Idaho and you'll have plenty of people who love to talk about Hitler's normal parts. Also everyone recycles
SoftypantsMcHuggable
DrDiddler0nTheRoof
Everyone? No. Maybe in Moscow.
Capnrory
I imagine you could have this conversation in parts of Charlottesville over the weekend with no difficulty whatsoever
YamatoIouko
"Hot takes! Get your hot takes!"
CompelledCynic
blkmge
You sure as shit can't have a convo like that at NeoGAF. You'd be permanently banned the moment you said "Hitler"
scatman7
yeah tumblr or possibly a 7th grade classroom
scatman7
that was a reply to someone saying this is the only place we can have this conversation with out being lynched.
PmMeYourFavDinosaur
What?
scatman7
saying someone evil didnt think he was evil is hardly controversial.
Charlottekkkkk
*WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE*
plan911
RIGHT???
plan911
"Beats all you ever saw, been in trouble with the law since the day they was born..."
flindt
It's true 4chan, voat and tumblr would indeed be the only places where you can talk like this.
Jusmar
Ah voat. The perfect midpoint between reddit and 4chan.
flindt
I quite like their open moderation, where every ban and every removed comment is visible publicly
doesnotexistanymoredeprecatedaccountthanksforthememories
Shitvoat
doesnotexistanymoredeprecatedaccountthanksforthememories
To clarify, I don't hate Voat. I was just making a joke.
PedestrianElectrobastard
That's like the midpoint between the black plague and AIDS.
Jusmar
You do realize that Imgur exists to host images for reddit right?
PedestrianElectrobastard
Yes.
grinner
Not only that, but Jews were treated badly all across Europe. Pogroms in Russia, Ukraine, all over really.
wooman123
Tl;Dr: Everyone always thinks of themselves as the good guy.
Winterboer
Everybody is the hero of their own story.
Pheralg
"if that's what it takes to save the world, it's better to let that world die."
AnAccountToPostThis
And it's always the ones who are most convinced of their benevolence that are most dangerous. Someone who KNOWS they're doing "good" will
Nikolai5
Bask in my benevolence for I am your kind and loving god king.
AnAccountToPostThis
do anything and everything to achieve their goals.
FrozenTime
This is why extreme polarization of politics scares me. Why can't people see that just maybe, the other party is right about some things.
LavaAxe
What are Nazis right about?
TheType95
I've noticed that too... I don't bother to remember the various terms for things, only their arguments and proposed solutions. Why would /
TheType95
you bother only following a single philosophy?? That's like saying I prefer the word Cobalt to the word Iron, therefore I will only use /
CaptinCuddles
But really anyone could turn into Hitler under the reich circumstances
ForMyOwnAmusement
"the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being"
Galhaar
Except Stalin. Stalin was one ruthless motherfucker. "she is dead and with her died my last warm feelings for humanity" after her wife died
Paperbagman5
TIL Stalin was a woman.
Hyero
This is where the term 'moral nihilist' comes into play.
Keeperofthe7keys
:thinking:
complimentpin
Except isis
hairbnb
Let's also remember that he wasn't alone. The Wannsee Conference, where the Final Solution was formulated, wasn't even attended by him.
helenfrankannekeller
God dang history books
1DameMaggieSmith
Okay but he did purposefully plan it that way so he would be removed from it. There's a pretty good film about it called "Conspiracy".
WalterWhiteTheScienceGuy
The Wannsee conference was in 1942, the Holocaust already got up to speed in 1941. Obviously those surrounding him are responsible, but..1/2
WalterWhiteTheScienceGuy
this in no way absolves Hitler. Nor does it suggest everybody can be evil. 2/2
hairbnb
I wasn't making either of those claims. Just that the meeting served its purpose without the presence of any of the best known agitators.1/2
hairbnb
And just like with communism, that would've been impossible without the acceptance of evil, or latent evil, in a lot of people. 2/2
ThatDamnChickenAgain
You're giving too much importance to the Wannsee Conference. While it took place, the Final Solution was already underway. Its purpose was
hairbnb
I'm just saying, the more people perpetuating evil, the more normal it seems at that time.
ThatDamnChickenAgain
...not to make a decision, but to establish support from the whole government.
Selerox
Exactly. It was telling the underlings what the plan was, not creating the plan.
superanth
This is what I've been wondering about. Thanks for the info.
grenzdebil
Organization rather. Logistics.
hairbnb
Which means that he was surrounded by people, even lower-level functionaries, who thought genocide on an industrial scale was completely OK.
grenzdebil
Compared to Hitler, everyone was lower level. So that's not saying much, is it?
kambojah
And how is it with Presidents or religious leaders?
kambojah
most of them never got any punishment for their actions, they survived war and went onwards to shape the new post-war country/nation
Ferrumkit
Eugenics was all the rage at that time which is glazed over alot.
EmoryToss17
This. The US especially was big on it, and was also divided on which side to support prior to PearlHarbor. (We were like 40% ethnic Germans)
DrunkAnna
This is a minor quibble, but some may not have thought it was "completely OK," merely justified.
oberjaeger
These people are not considering their victims as humans, therefore they can do it. It happend before, and since, and it will in the future
hairbnb
You're right, of course. What's particularly scary about the nazis, though, is the level of institutionalization and bureaucracy involved.
TheClayKnight
That's partly the German efficiency kicking in.
bigian77
Oh yea, most people don't realize that the incredulous sanctions placed on Germany after WWI created the power vacuum that allowed Hitler1
Zixtank
... But what about Hitler2?
powwerbottom
Hitler 2, electric boogaloo is coming
BewareTheCrocigator
Hitler3, Hitler with a Vengeance
Rhenthalin
Very few people are willing to admit their own role in the conflict spiral, always the other's fault.
PickleRick
I think we all know this.
bigian77
Pickle Rick! I'm a huge fan
boobcat
How terrible is your education system that "most people" are taught about Nazism/Hitler/WW2Europe without the context of the Weimar Republic
Beepity
The Weimar Republic isn't on the standardised tests, so it's not even taught. Hell, WW1 was barely even taught where I grew up. 2/2
Beepity
To answer your questions: Our teachers often end up having to buy classroom supplies with their own barely-above-the-poverty-line money. 1/2
Mockingbirb
What. The. Fuck. ?
Beepity
'Murica :/
Mockingbirb
That's sad. :(
TheRealGowron
It's almost as though people plunged into economic disparity will funnel their rage towards anyone offering a solution for their woes!
flindt
This and the fact germany surrendered when their borders hadnt been breached at any point and the millions of ww1 soldiers now without a job
flindt
It's not widely known but Hitler's fellow ww1 veterans widely supported him and basicly gave him an army of supporters
LadyYmir
The treaty is literally called "the backstab legend" in german
Selerox
Which can be blamed on the French. The UK was happy with "pay what you broke and wind your neck in and we're good", but France wanted BLOOD.
SEGSan
Which is actually understandable, considering the extensive damage in France caused by the war.
MaleTinderSlvt
That wasn't the reason though it was a dumb and simple feeling of wanting revenge for 1870/71
Josefbugman1543
Thats a tad too simplistic, Wiemar Germany was doing, by comparison, reasonably. The treaty was shit (I agree) but it wasn't just sanctions.
Mockingbirb
The treaty was more s psychological thing, the Nazi called it a “disgrace“, “shame“ etc. all the time. Their time came with grand depression
DiceyBusiness
As a history grad, most historians know fine the Treaty of Versailles created the opening for Hitler. Unfortunately no lessons learned.
spacemouse15
Everyone learns about this in high school. Don't flaunt being a "history grad" as if this is some kind of higher level information.
darkdragonempress
I learned about the treaty in name in high school. Didn't learn the scope of problems it created until college. Some high schools suck.
NaughtButOne
I learned about it in high school, and they were pretty damning of the Allies role in inciting the environment that allowed WW2. Was nice.
Keeperofthe7keys
What highschool did you go to?
Mockingbirb
Churchill said that too, but I think that's a misconception: Germany recovered til 1928 quite well, it was the grand depression '29 actually
Mockingbirb
As a matter of fact, reparations were already negotiated to better terms by democratic politicians like Stresemann, Hitler made profit of it
bigian77
To attain power. I think there's an argument to be made that it wasn't Hitler per say that caused so much strife, but the willingness of 2
1mshadowbanned
Let's also not forget that he had a minority govt but out maneuvered the other parties
FloridaMansSideKick
per se* Sorry, not trying to be a dick.
bigian77
All good! It makes me better
FloridaMansSideKick
Thank fucking fuck, a sane person! You're a rare breed. Good on you.
Aquilarden
Latin for "through itself."
theonlyoneftw
Iirc it's actually "by itself"
bigian77
A nation of people to follow anyone who would promise something better than the hell they were experiencing in their country.
ObnoxiousComma
Kinda like modern America, huh...?
SamySoosa
Rule #1 of not fucking litteraly everything up. Don't invade Belgium.
NahLater
Can I just say how much I appreciate and love that people recognize this. I have had this argument countless times with my bf and he...
NahLater
doesn't see it this way. It's frustrating because understanding how easy it is to fall for radicalized ideologies in times of struggle is
NahLater
a pattern and issue still recognizable today.
SpartanBurke
Italy and Germany are largely in the same boat with that, both countries where in a shit state after WW1, both Hitler and Musolini did
SpartanBurke
a pretty decent job at first, almost eliminated unemployment and turned the countries around at first, especially compared to Britian and
Bennings
Literally murdering all of your political opponents= "good job"
SpartanBurke
France which where economically reeling from the great war for years, arguably they never fully recovered before WW2
GaryTheCuttlefish
Indeed. Though the people were so incredibly desperate, and hitler was a genius when it came to bringing people to his side, and he
GaryTheCuttlefish
Was promising a Utopia. That is how totalitarian governments emerge. A shitty run down country that has been torn to pieces by
khora
#MakeGermanyGreatAgain.
GaryTheCuttlefish
Disaster, war, famine, that is promised that all of these problems will go away, and they will, as they did for Germany in WWII, though
taliesingarland
oh piss off, under stresemann germany was doing fine, it was the depression that allowed hitler to gain power, combined with the fuckup 1/2
taliesingarland
was the munich putsch trial, where they got a judge who was incredibly sympathetic to hitler and allowed him to play up his martyr angle 2/2
AnonOmis1000
Oh I realize it. One of my profs said that "we didn't have two world wars. We had one war with a short time of peace int he middle".
iLynux
Also I think many people fail to recognize WW2 as 2 separate wars. The Pacific war was its own thing and was more important for the US.
smittywjmj
And China, Korea, Burma, Australia, Papua New Guinea... most of that area of the world, really.
iLynux
I meant the Pacific war was more important for the US than the European war was for the US.
smittywjmj
As far as alliances and politics go, there was certainly more to lose in Europe. But as far as direct action, the Pacific was more pressing.
smittywjmj
Well, that's actually debatable. Roosevelt certainly disagreed, but Roosevelt was also unfriendly to the Navy so he's not exactly unbiased.
Allhailmidgetgoat
Same thing is happening in Korea now.
AnonOmis1000
Well even more so because the war never technically ended in Korea, IIRC, where as both world wars had ends.
sacredgray
The Charlottesville rally was full of people flying Nazi symbols, doing Nazi salutes, chanting Nazi things. Why downplay that??
bohemiancrabcity
He's not. He's saying calling everyone you disagree with a Nazi removes the belittles the severity of the word. These were Nazi's, your...
bohemiancrabcity
Republican neighbor who might not agree with your immigration stance is not. People calling your neighbor a Nazi reduce the word to nothing
Cereaza
Because while they're flying the Nazi flag, they're really Nazi's. They're just racist white natoinalist assholes.
Cereaza
But some, I assume, are real Nazis.
SuperCynic
Nazis were National Socialists, I wouldn't class those guys as any type of socialists.
ConstantineVKopronymos
There's no worker ownership of production in Nazism and class struggle is replaced with national/racial struggle. Nothing socialist about it
Cereaza
Fascists and Socialists do share some economic views. It's a lot of State control. But these guys aren't socialists, no.
DarthVaderDidNothingWrong
"It has happened; therefore it can happen again." Quote by a holocaust survivor in the hall of remembrance under the Berlin holocaust memori
Vampy707
Me as a german...
sciencebasedlifeform
it's ok, you gave us Heidi Klum
Mayonnaiseisainstrument
As a German, I didn't feel bad until now.
sciencebasedlifeform
username is intriguing
Teikonsaint
I don't view Germany with any malice or hatred. People were left with a hard life and a hard time. Soldiers and military men were not 1/2
Teikonsaint
Evil, but we're just unfortunate to be in a service during a poor time. German, or American, they were all scared men, young and old.
Vampy707
True words. Are you in military service?
LavaAxe
Oh, poor soldiers.. but orders are orders don't think too much and just gas the jews.
AmazinglyCoolNameHere
No, as long as you make excuses, it will happen again. It wasn't just Hitler, everyone who chose to help was responsible.
Keeperofthe7keys
It would be wrong to blame you for the actions of your ancestors.
yourpalBuddyChrist
Can you tell that to the people that still blame white people of today for slavery?
Keeperofthe7keys
I do, but they do not listen, they only hear their own preconceived bias, ringing in their head.
roads88mph
It would not be wrong to blame them if it happened again.
PackedCatMeowingPowerDensity
Don't worry. We make sure Germans are ashamed of their country. I moved here from Austria and they even got me to be ashamed of a foreign
PackedCatMeowingPowerDensity
country in their school system. Which should not be the goal. The goal should be to teach kids to identify hate and meet it with greater lov
Keeperofthe7keys
That does make me worry.
PackedCatMeowingPowerDensity
It should. With the Syrian immigrants hating foreigners has once again become acceptable and are a different phenomenon than Neo-Nazis.
Vampy707
It would be, but we shall remember what humans are able to do.
IkeaWorker
No one has forgot..
Keeperofthe7keys
If only that were true, but understanding is also important and often rarer.
calway
We remember what we're told to remember. Few people talk about the Armenian genocide of WWI committed by our UN ally Turkey.
Selerox
Everyone is blamed for the actions of their ancestors. As a Brit it's depressing how few places in the world you can go without being hated.
Keeperofthe7keys
You had no part of it though, let alone even being alive during it. Being blamed for what others did is straight up bullshit.
Selerox
The way many people around the world see it, we're still hated because our country got rich off the back of the Empire. >>
Selerox
>> In the eyes of those people we *all* still have blood on our hands. We were vile imperialists and we're all worth hating. >>
balmut
"People aren't black and white"
*Triggered*
vanaman
he's brown
Azile2012
Clicked on this totally expecting something else....the Trekkie in me was pleasantly surprised
Tipsyrooster
Zetsu, is that you?!
cryogenian
Let's keep this Lokai, alright?
Raileks
http://imgur.com/wLnCsnA
fskn
Or, if you're a half-empty kinda guy...
FurtiveGlancer
We live in a world where we cannot agree on ANYTHING.
causality
One episode of Star Trek from fifty years ago and it points out the idiocy of racism in an amazingly concise way.
Xelbair
"tumblr is probably the only pace we could have this convo and not be lynched".. have you heard about lord and saviour ebaumsworld?
icanzbjoed
He's *white & black* you bigot! /s
CardsinMA
http://www.kayfabenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/piper-black.jpg
kmikl
He's red on the inside.
MDtheGM
Love Spock's little "Hmm" moment when everything falls into place... it's just like "This is so illogical it hurts, but I can't express it."
MainDeflectorDish
Star Trek reference on point, take my upvote.
ListenLady
One of my favorite episodes.
fluhatinrapper
Marinara?
iWillReverseIt
Star Trek I think
ForTheSwarm
Star Trek, Original Series. Episode is "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield"
TomZarekVP
Riddle me this: When in tights he is a star whether on a trek or in Batman's car.
shdwklown
wait...really? Damn, that's some interesting trivia Broderbunana, never knew that was the same actor.
AstartesLibrarius
Frank Gorshin!
Porecomesis
His hair is brown. He's not even black and white.
ZKrock
*Double Triggered*
balmut
He's literally half black half white -_-
LurkerMcLurkface
Porecomesis
Thisiscoolshit
Fucking saved
StatmanIbrahimovic
great now I have to play KSP all day
kriositivity
Yeah, I heard Ted Bundy had a lot of "human qualities" too.
soandsocs
But he's black on the wrong side
ISellUsernames
But its on the left
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AnthonyJanthonyFell
Stop beating that dead horse
ISellUsernames
I'm trying to jump start it
Un0riginalComment
half his dick gon be bigger then the other
bart2pl
it must be hard to have only half of a dad
Mattateus
Is fine if only half the girls pussy be poppin
igivetheinternets
I remember "but don't you see! He's black on the left side!" Looked at script and can't find anything like that
soandsocs
Might be, I was at work and remembered he was the one discriminated against but not the exact line.
STINKPICKEL
Actually "it depends" on your POV, could be he's white on the wrong side .
ColoneISanders
Hah, hey man, you're alwhite.
snewsh
Dats racist
samsonguy920
Dat is
SoapyMammaryMasturbation
Dats literally the point of that episode.
Storm79
Use the word "Nazi" and "Fascist" too much and it'll lose it's value, same as calling people "racists" and "bigots" because it's easy to do
Keru
"oh no, I better not call that person holding a nazi flag doing a nazi salute a nazi, what if I devalue the word!!?!'
Storm79
Oh no, I better not misinterept this comment then proceed to use bad English by saying "holding a nazi flag doing a nazi salute a nazi". /1
LavaAxe
I'll call people carrying swastikas and people who march with them and support them Nazis and fascists, thank you very much.
Storm79
Never implied that you shouldn't, and your snarky comment is about a week late bud, try somewhere else.
Falkh12
that's why i have an issue with the term grammar nazi...
c00lh4nd
Or Hero’s. We use these labels with such ease these days, both are diluted. Nelson Mandela was a hero, Stalin and Hitler evil serial killers
roads88mph
I wish there were less of them so the word wasn't overused. But there aren't.
DiceyBusiness
Almost like SJWs constantly attacking whiteness creates a Weimer Germany style resentment amongst some white folk. No Nazi in a vacuum. :/
roads88mph
That seems like a reasonable, well measured response.
LizardEnterprises
1/2 If you can see people marching with actual swastika flags, chanting antisemitic and nazi slogans and still think "The SJWs" are to blame
LizardEnterprises
2/2 then congratulations, you are the problem.
MainDeflectorDish
Attacking whiteness? Awww, does the special snowflake need a safe space away from all those mean people wanting equality?
MainDeflectorDish
'Whiteness' isn't even something you can 'attack', it's an arbitrary judgment based on the amount of melanin in a person's skin.
LavaAxe
Why are you white power fuckers such thin skinned losers?
ratfaceddog
It would be easier if there weren't so many fascist Nazis.
Storm79
Would be easier if people actually understood what Fascism and Nazism are. If you did know you wouldn't have to call them "Fascist Nazis".
ratfaceddog
It was redundant, but I was just echoing the post I was responding to. Not all fascists are Nazis.
joesmith369
You should really read up on the history of the two. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (Nazi) were socialists. Hitler 1/2
ratfaceddog
LIke Democratic Kampuchea was a democracy. Condescension and ignorance are a bad mix.
WilliamKeith
In fairness right now, people are waving flags and wearing shirts with actual swastikas on them, so "Nazi" seems applicable.
TakamiStitches
Even Nazis would probably turn these belligerent fools away.
Storm79
Hence why I said using the word "too much" makes it lose it's value.
gnorr
Many of them are just edgy 16 year olds from /pol/ who think hating jews is the coolest thing since sliced bread. They'll grow out of it.
LavaAxe
On a scale of 1-10 how much of a Nazi enabler do you feel you are?
WilliamKeith
Most teenagers I knew didn't have a Nazi phase. To "grow out of it," they need to be repeatedly and loudly told what twats they're being.
roads88mph
You'll excuse me if I don't want to wait around for them to do so.
cryogenian
We all love to demonize our adversaries.
roads88mph
Let's give that guy wearing the Nazi flag as a cape a chance y'all
FrozenTime
Yeah that guy is all of the above obviously, but please let me know when imgur says something like "not all Trump supporters are bigots"
TheDreadLordSithis
But that didn't mean we should. I'm big on everyone, myself included, making active attempts at self eval b4 judging
cryogenian
You're just like Hitler for saying that! Oops, sorry, knee-jerk reaction.
TheDreadLordSithis
nice
TheDreadLordSithis
TheNayori1
History is written by the victors
AREKEEOO
Hitler loved the doggos just like us
Mumalot
"I like cats though" --me, literally not-Hitler.
ZimGenzko
There's a huge discussion about that. Most of his animal love was massively enhanced for propaganda.
ButterfaceTaintClown
Blitzed by Ohler & Whiteside has accounts by other senior Nazis and military officers about how badly Hitler mistreated his poor dogs.
msa011
But I don't like dogs!
IllegalBeagle
I saw a documentary where Hitler shot a dog while touring the country with the filmmaker.
ForgivingCat
Was it an illegal beagle?
ActionAndy
Salmonthegreat
ER IST WIEDER DA!!!
Tyumenn
He loved the doggos so much that he tested a cyanide pill on one just so he could make sure his own death wouldn't be painful! Go Hitler!
gimmyhugs
Until he tested the cyanide on his dog...
truflehunter
Thank you!
ashmenon
He hated cats tho
BlackWolfLeon
*Que the dog scene from Er Ist Wieder Da*
Murse1974
Is the a Jewish persons bone in that dogs mouth?
IAteABrownieSheWasTasty
Iirc Hitler actually did a lot for animal rights
Tinkrr
Hitler spoke a lot about hating poachers and such. He also used videos of Kosher slaughter to convince people Jews were animal haters.
ElbowdeepinElmo
Yeah, fought against experimenting on animals. Too bad he saw the jews as fitting for that.
MichaelHames
A lot of people out there would kill other people before hurting an animal like the VHEM
idontneednostinkingpuffin
Welp, if the anti-nazi, anti-confederate monuments protests have taught me anything... It's time to remove all dogs from our lives. :s
TheTimesTheyAreAChangin
TheSwedishStag
You have an original Hitler?
TheGentryGaming
Get rid of that painting Chaawlie, it's smug aura bothers me
TheTimesTheyAreAChangin
No Frank!
Cheesygorditahunk
In Germany are German Shepards just Shepards?
ThePhystopian
Yes
Individualsocksinthewashingmachine
They're Alsatians
dnebdal
They're often just "Schäfers" in Norwegian, which is literally German (but not Norwegian) for "shepherd", so ... maybe?
Mockingbirb
We just say “Schäferhund“, but is officially listed as “Deutscher Schäferhund“, since there are others, of course.
StrongNuclearHorse
Yes. Well, actually "Schäferhunde".
Falkh12
which directly translate's to "shepard's dog"
snakestaint
Ty +1
Acmer77
'Good' people have done to that dog breed what nazis tried to do to humans.
idkalan
I mean I agree that the breed was fucked up, but the bulldogs received the fare worse treatment than any other breed.
EmoryToss17
Pugs
dafawkudoin
Most people think hip displasia is just a breed trait, when in fact it's careless breeding...Most negative dog traits are from carelessness
WhySoSeverusSnape
Humans playing god. Arrogant and dangerous.
snakestaint
Please explain I'm interested in what you mean and what was done
uzerok
Selective breeding to create a desired race, I suppose.
snakestaint
Oh fuck thank you everyone
Grandpafuzzy
Now they're all barrel chested and basically the only thing that's the same as their original pedigree is their pattern
Grandpafuzzy
Breeding for specific traits in gsd have caused them to look entirely different. They used to be slender with long faces and a rough coat
CocaineAndSelfPleasure
That's pretty much every German Sheppard I've seen. Especially the police dogs.
FFSharkHunter
Thankfully the working lines have been less affected by what other breeders have done. I've heard before that the pronounced slope in the 1/
NameNotFoundException
Selective breeding, discarding unwanted litter, and fucking up the breed completely
inboxmeyourgsd
How have they changed for the worse?
YourWaifuIsTrash
A lot of selectively-bred dogs are now prone to illness and deformities, pugs as one example frequently suffer numerous health problems >
Santooth
They became hunchbacked, basically. Breeding them for show dogs made them kind of crippled. http://royalair.org/pasttopresent.htm (1/2)
Acmer77
German Shepherds are a shadow of what they used to be. They were bred to make them 'better'. Nazis tried to do the same on humans.
Acmer77
The Aryan race. Luckily they failed. We might have become shadows of what we are now.
Megarith
Morally, maybe. But Nazi Germany was pragmatic and dogmatic at once. The Sciences would have flourished beyond compare.
2074red2074
Well no, Hitler wanted to breed black people out of the population, not in.
morethanamouthfull
Nazi is way overused and Hitler and his goons were monsters. However, in sheer number of people killed, communism has killed millions more.
DumlenKarlsson
Yeah, and people consider them to be the good guys. Racism was rampant in the soviet union, people tend to ignore that.
ThePowerOf42
I think the reason for that is, Communism happend outside of (what was to be believed) to be a cultural developed Europe.
ThePowerOf42
Simply put. Nationalsocialism is so "unthinkable" because it clashes with our own thought of "higher morale/educational being"
c0smicj0ker
Communism is not inherently bred from an ideology of hate. Nazism is.
IJNHiryu
Class hatred, vs race hated. Both are destructive, one for something one cannot control, the other for being successful, which makes a
IJNHiryu
mockery of mother nature herself.
SevenLeagueBoots
There's a good case to be made islam has killed (and enslaved) more people than any other ideology including communism. But, politics now..
SmolTenk
Not in the way the nazis did. Its not the number, its the way they turned killing into factory work that makes them stand out.
morethanamouthfull
Educate yourself about the history of Stalin, Mao and Lenin.
SmolTenk
And that tells me what? In 30 years lenin and stalin racked up a kill count of roughly 30 million. Hitler was aiming to reach that within 10
morethanamouthfull
My point is that they are all from the same pile of shit. Most of these AntiFa dicks would probably admire Mao or Che. Hypocritical idiots
PoopFrosting
is communism the new meme in response to everything about nazis now?
SocialMediaMakesUsLessSocial
Classic deflection strategy.
Winterboer
It's because some people use opposition to fascism and Nazism as an excuse to promote communism.
morethanamouthfull
Any totalitarian regime or philosophy will do. Communism is one of them, no matter how much you dislike the term
dietderpsy
I think it's because a lot of anti Nazis at rallys tend to be communists.
goandneverdarkenmytowelsagain
It is true, but it does seem odd that it's the auto reply. It's a true statement that is also a whataboutism (while on the topic of USSR).
VultureTX
maybe because AntiFa that counterprotests is full of communists of different sects (Austin has both a Maoist and a Stalinist chapter of AF)
RevanTheJedi
Last time I checked it was called ad hominem tu quoque, which is a basic example of demagogy.
goandneverdarkenmytowelsagain
Thank you!
morethanamouthfull
You defending communists now? Are you simpático with the philosophy so u feel insulted?
TresusIbor
A little excessively abrasive, aren't we?
PoopFrosting
show me where i defended communism please
morethanamouthfull
No, u just seemed to disagree my point was legitimate. No accusation.
SumDumFox
He's right though. The total number of people killed under communist ruling comes near the total death toll of both world wars combined.
questionableanswers
Communists were numerically worse but had a lot more time. The nazis killed most between summer 41 and winter44/45. 3 1/2 years.
SumDumFox
Of course. Given a WWII win, Nazism would've definitely overtaken those numbers, but luckily they were largely killed off.
PoopFrosting
it also the equivalent of bemoaning starving children in other countries when that isn't the topic at hand
SumDumFox
It's just pointing out that a certain group, no matter how evil you may see them, isn't necessarily the biggest evil the world faces.
SumDumFox
And the fact that many young people now like to see themselves as communist or such shows how fucking messed up the whole situation is.
morethanamouthfull
No, it's different. There's only 1 source for what the communists and Nazis did; man. Starvation can be man made but also from natural(1)
morethanamouthfull
(2) causes.
yourpalBuddyChrist
What's funny is people are always like communism vs Nazis. But what they don't realize is they were allied at one point.
VultureTX
Ribbwentropp-Molitov PAct 1939 to split up Poland among other things.
ratfaceddog
Non-aggression pact ≠ "allied."
yourpalBuddyChrist
They weren't at each other's throats until Hitler tried to invade Russia. It's thought if Hitler didn't invade the Soviet Union stalin 1
yourpalBuddyChrist
Would've joined the Axis
ThePowerOf42
I wouldn't even say the worst part was Hitler himself.. It was all those who unquestionably followed him
SoftypantsMcHuggable
"Followin Gorders?"
grinner
Great moral question. Person in charge couldn't have done it without the thousands following orders, but the orders did come from the chief.
calway
Take a household that can't afford to feed their own children and give them the means to survive and you have yourself undying loyalty.
Dares
https://youtu.be/iVsyFs8TK1o?t=1m52s
ThePowerOf42
circumstances has some to do with it too yes
Carefuler
Very interesting. Thanks.
BillbockD
and yet i see that when i hear about Thrump follower...
darkdragonempress
I find the leaders worst honestly. Humans are prone to psychological manipulation. We can get tricked and dragged into things. It's far 1
darkdragonempress
Worse for someone to want to get to that point. 2
ellert0
This essentially goes for any force anywhere in the world. Be it police or military you're trained to follow orders without question.
Anonawesome
Well at least the US military is sworn to the constitution, so if it came to harming our own citizens, I imagine most would back out.
ellert0
Eh, I think many would ignore a piece of paper with a commanding human telling them to do otherwise.
Anonawesome
I think you couldn't be more wrongerer.
ellert0
Maybe, time will tell if I'm a pessimist or a realist.
questionableanswers
flindt
Reminder that Hitler tried to make peace with Britain 3 times.
questionableanswers
That statement ignores the fact that Hitler didn't do it because he wanted peace, but rather that he wanted to avoid fighting 'good' people.
questionableanswers
He had the idea that the Brits were like the germans and that they only got dragged into this by obligations.
grinner
"[...] denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism [...]" Crazy how close this is to what the western far-left is semi-successfully doing.
kaztas
To be fair, it's both sides in their own way. But it's nothing new and has been going on for decades.
grinner
Of course, but there is only a tendency to try and justify the left part of it. Like with Venezuela, Antifa protesters and especially BLM.
Santooth
Far-anything is resoundingly bad. Let's all just agree on that.
grinner
Absolutely. Pity the media's constantly trying to make up excuses for the fascists of the left, while running with calling CENTRISTS Nazis.
CocaineAndSelfPleasure
Leftists generally have views diametrically opposed to those of fascists.
Santooth
I take it you haven't heard of Fox, then? The mainstream media these days tends to be a hall of mirrors on both sides of the fence.
ThePowerOf42
What you mean about that far left? Isnt it the right win that useally holds the patriotism ?
grinner
First bit. Guy is a Bernie supporter who's being called racist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj28qAS8MWU
grinner
I don't get why people defend the FAR-left, like it's akin to liberalism and the core of democracy or something. It's the Nazis of the left.
grinner
And with ALL of these left-leaning people being smeared as the enemy remember that the conclusion was, that punching "Nazis" is okay.
grinner
It's the same in that they're trying to sway well-meaning people through a fear of not being "for the cause". "You're not RACIST, are you?"
grinner
Talking about the men's rights side of feminism gets you called sexist, as they did to the feminist making The Red Pill.
grinner
Being AGAINST political violence makes YOU a fascist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKFadohxPbI
grinner
Psychology professor Jordan B. Peterson classical liberal. Doesnt agree with transgender pronouns therefore he's far-right and a transphobe.
CameForNatalieDormer
I feel like you got downvoted not for the content of your post, but for the mental image someone built of you for saying it. Imgur can suck.
ThePowerOf42
True.. For some it was the only job they could get however.. (and some was indoctrinated from childhood, was alot common back then)
ThatOtherTransGirl
The Wermacht were by and large not tried or pardoned, provided they committed no war crimes. That excuse didn't fly in the higher tiers.
ThatOtherTransGirl
A German soldier who fought for his country was not considered a criminal. Those who orchestrated the whole thing were.
questionableanswers
Oh yeah, most were normal slobs. My family almost lost an entire generation of males in that war. From what I know not one was a partymember
questionableanswers
They were told their fatherland needs them and so they went to war. It was astonishingly easy to motivate men to fight.
ThePowerOf42
Isn't it still ?
ThePowerOf42
Yea, it's funny how (around 1939) Germany, (with a then population around 87,323,000 ) only some 8. Million was party members.
ThePowerOf42
Sorry about your family tho
questionableanswers
No need to be sorry. It's all long past and they made their choices. We just need to remember that choices always have consequences.