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espi0920
If you've read any books that are told mostly from the viewpoint of imperials, it's easy to see how some of them would have considered Rebels to be confederates, terrorists, etc. Their news was heavily controlled and propaganda was huge, so they legit thought the Rebels were full-on terrorists. A lot of the people at the top knew otherwise (and were somewhat evil), but the everyday people were honestly just individuals trying to live their lives and actually weren't evil imperials.
Shaodyn
His aunt and uncle hold the record for preventing Skywalker bullshit. They die, and within days, he falls in with a known criminal, boards an Imperial vessel, rescues a political prisoner, and blows up a space station.
Mickazilla
The Empire blew up an entire civilian planet just for some info, stop with your terrorist bullshit lmao
edr28056
When you ignore the fact that the thing he was blowing up has been used to destroy entire planets with billions of people on them.
Hashbrown123
Is it a terrorist attack? He was part of a military during war time attacking a military target.
capitalistdecadence
IlluminaBlade
In defense of said ancient religion, the fantastical magic and afterlife it claims to enable is demonstrably real.
PoliticalWanderer
Star Wars has always been anti-authority and anti-colonialism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifW3nKHk8yM
Andrzhel
.. and that is why the (Old and New) Republic grants a religious order (The Jedi) a shitload of power, going so far as integrating them into the command structure of the military. Although only a few of them have any military experience. Doesn't sound anti-autharian to me.
Sylphyyy
is this 300,000 people the death star? the same death star that wiped out an entire planet and was not a moon but a spaceship and had no designation as a country? the space nazi warship ultra killing machine with a higher kill count than its war raised cloneslave occupant carrying capacity? yeah totally an analogy for whatever real life comparison you're thinking.
MadCat221
I always find it hilarious that Luke is a "terrorist" for blowing up that atrocity machine. It annihilated an entire planet with *billions* on it. It was specifically *built* to commit ten-figure-death-toll atrocities.
Ijustwantquiet
Governor Tarkin described the destruction of the planet as putting an end to the Republic and sending a message to the resistance to give up. Definitely meets the description of a terrorist event.
Kahoko
From a certain point of view.
ohwhatthehellimightaswell
Thank you! I don’t know why this isn’t top comment.
TheRedBaron8
The rebellion was made up of the remaining republic governments that saw palps grab for power for wat it was. So are the rebels terrorists or an alliance of governments that put forth a recognized allied army to fight the empire. Discuss.
Degarafarat
A defensive strike on a military target that is manoeuvring into position to destroy the moon you are currently residing?
DdCno1
This post is a pretty transparent attempt at whitewashing real-world terrorists and it doesn't take a genius to figure out which ones OP meant.
Taxian
Yeah, except Luke doesn't, say, target random citizens from Coruscant, even if it IS the Imperial Capital. The Death Star is pretty clearly a military target.
BecauseTheyreAfraidThatsWhy
How dare you /s
TyrannusEquus
One that sort of destroyed an entire planet.
FakeFlagger
The force being real in the Star Wars universe helps a lot with Luke not coming off as completely crazy.
chesirecats
A military strike didn't kill his family though, did it? They weren't collateral damage, the stormtroopers intentionally went into their home and murdered them. And seeing as the Death Star blew up a planet of billions for no reason...
Molvanian
So by definition, a terrorist performs terrorism, which is using the fear of violence to force political change. The Rebellion was just that, a revolt, that tried to cause political change by defeating the military of the ruling government. There is sure as shit a difference.
lovehandlesmessiah
“The Greater Good…”
Youhavinagiraffe
So we've devolved to the state that people will "both sides" fighting against Imperial Space Nazis now huh?
suiseiseki
It's utterly maddening, but yes. The argument is usually "there were innocent janitors on the Death Star" or "The Empire made the economy run smoothly" because the economy and its greatness gets mentioned so much in those three films. /s
ShyAllosaurusMusic
The Sith have a right to exist! The destruction of Tatooine was self defense!
MrWobblyHead
The Death Star was a danger to the galaxy. Vader has already blown up one planet. More would likely be attacked otherwise why build it. The Rebels were defending the galaxy from a hostile force. I'd say there were a more akin to the resistance fighters of WW2 France then terrorists.
RavantShearhart
It wasn't Vader, it was Tarkin. Vader lost people on Alderaan, too. It's why Leia recoils into Vader when the planet explodes. If Tarkin didn't die in the Death Star, Vader would have killed him for the Alderaan genocide. The Death Star was supposed to be used on Dantooine, a proper military target.
Not excusing its existence, because yo WTF. But there is a distinction. Especially since the Old Republic/Rebels are a bunch of rich former slaveowners fighting to keep their money and slaves.
MrWobblyHead
Yes, Tarkin. My honest mistake in misremembering that scene.
eXoRainbow
That's not what a terrorist is. The people on the dark side are terrorists killing innocent people. Luke was protecting them with the power he was born with and with his friends and family.
gnomedeplume
that's generally what any group of people will say they're doing when fighting a government they believe needs to be deposed, which will in turn call their efforts terrorism
eXoRainbow
Wrong. You don't understand what terrorism is and what I explained.
MachineInterface
"Terrorist" is a slur for "anyone who resists a government". Even completely non-violent resistance gets called "terrorism" — and resistance is almost always violent and almost always targets civilians who side with the oppressor; you can't get around that without rewriting history.
EMHPicardo
MissySassy
AWESOME! Source please? Also, I'm still positive by the fact that these missiles take a 90° term
pirateninjaunicornattacksquad
I would watch the full movie like this. Keep the original voice and animate everything.
BenderRodriguezJrJr
can i get the source for this?
TheLesserOfTwoWeevils
Galaxy of adventures shorts, narrated by prince zuko: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_povMCk1mbM
TheGhostofElizabethShue
I know they gotta be selective for time here but it’d be a cold day in hell before I dropped Han Solo’s weird cowboy noise.
suiseiseki
Superbly animated. A little weird that we don't see the Falcon shooting the Ties. A nitpick, but a new viewer would have no idea where those shots came from.
TheGhostofElizabethShue
They’d also have no idea what the millennium falcon is if they did show it, so I can see how they concluded it was cuttable. Really miss that shot though.
PixelSprite64
medimr
There were only 300k people on the Death Star?
Rendova
And what about the prisoners not sprung? Like sinking the Japanese prison ships.
ShadowShards
It did have a lot of big empty space on the inside
Thisisknottheend
300k could be the non-combatant or civilian casualties... Otherwise that's a damn efficient small moon.
jw0451
Most estimates I've seen put the number over a million.
OhIfIMust
I mean, did you look at the *size* of that thing?
DaiInAFire
It's wild looking back at DS9 and seeing the word "terrorist" used non-pejoratively. Like Kira Nerys, who used any means necessary to fight against the brutal - and transparently Nazi-esque - occupation of her planet describes herself as a terrorist. The post-9/11 era and constant propaganda really messed everyone up.
doesntmatter
No. Terrorist was definitely not a positive word anywhere before then either. Maybe Americans that didn't live with decades long terrorist struggles during the pre-1990's could call see it that way, but the rest of the world? No.
DaiInAFire
I didn't use the word "positive" at all. It's used in DS9 to indicate that the person in question used extreme methods. The point is not "Americans thought that the word 'terrorist' was a good thing prior to the 1990s", but rather "In the post-9/11 era, the word 'terrorist' was turned into a bogeyman to justify warfare, oppression, torture and mass surveillance, and it's amazing seeing it used descriptively in genre media prior to that".
nobodybelievesme
Wasn't there an EU book that talked about all the families that lived on the Death Star?
Efreeti
You'll never guess the name https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Death_Star_(novel)
suiseiseki
That book is definitely all over the place in quality. It has a converted Trade Federation control ship spit out 200+ X-Wings to attack the Death Star just to get annihilated, has extensive details on interspecies banging, and it dredges up midichlorians to say the Death Star gunner was force sensitive and went into force shock from blowing up Alderaan.
Mikeiller
There were EU stories that talked about every possible character that could exist. Half of them contradicted the other half.
meauho
That's because George Lucas said he would never consult the EU because it wasn't actually part of the Star Wars universe, it was effectively fanfiction that wouldn't be sued for copyright violation: https://screenrant.com/george-lucas-star-wars-expanded-universe-rules/
meauho
Even before Disney bought it George Lucas said the EU was licensed fan fiction and he had no plans or intentions of ever consulting the books to maintain continuity. A lot of Star Wars fans were excited when it was announced Disney was buying Star Wars because they thought (based on absolutely nobody with ANY authority giving any indication it was true) that Disney was going to legitimize the EU.
meauho
https://screenrant.com/george-lucas-star-wars-expanded-universe-rules/
MadCat221
Was there a EU book about all the families that lived on Alderaan?
NothingPrince
People on purpose make themselfs Human shields are allowed to be killed. Them the rules of combat
captapathy
They were hiding violent terrorists. They have no one to blame but themselves.
fearTheAnimal
Is this referring to the Death Star as a terrorist attack? That was a military target, that's not terrorism.
AllTheGoodOnesWereGone
Oh look, it’s the news again.
Eiladar
Not just that, but it was actively threatening them at the time.
Kunkoh
Maybe the first one but not the second time around it wasn’t done. construction job of that magnitude would require a helluva lot more manpower than the Imperial army had to offer. I'll bet there were independent contractors working on that thing: plumbers, aluminum siders, roofers. All those innocent contractors hired to do a job were killed! Casualties of a war they had nothing to do with.
KitchenClean
The Death Star blew up Alderaan, an entire planet, for sport.
psmith00
terrorists will target military things but to get the maximum terrorist effect they will attack soft defenceless targets as well. take the insurgent campaign the right is executing in America. mass shooters taking out civilian targets almost exclusively.
meauho
The Rebels weren't a recognized government so under international law it wasn't an "Act of War". Since it wasn't an action by a separate government and wasn't an act of war you have to look to what definition fits. "Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature." Is EXACTLY what the Rebels did and you may notice that there are zero considerations for
Mikeiller
Are they not recognized? They're led by a Princess.
meauho
If the Governor of Texas told Texas citizens to shoot US military members it wouldn't be war because the military is "woke" since it has been repeatedly proven active duty is more likely to vote Democrat that wouldn't be War against the US, it would be terrorism
Mikeiller
You're rambling incoherently. I just want you to know that.
meauho
It's called an example. If you want to use the Star Wars universe: per Wookiepedia Naboo elected the King or Queen and when it was time for a new one they were also elected - their kids weren't automatically given the position . Leia's only official Government position was as a Senator. What legal basis do YOU think a Senator has to actually has to start a WAR against their OWN GOVERNMENT that WOULD NOT BE terrorism?
meauho
what the target is. A military vs civilian target only matters in "Acts of War" and THEN it only matters to determine War Criminality as per the Geneva Conventions
candle340
A station that big is going to have civilians living on it...
jediknightswhosayni
I disagree. Just because it is big doesn't mean civilians would be there.
Feralkyn
Military target =/= "there are no civilians at all." Though there's a difference between "we thought maybe they had a rocket under that shopping mall" and "dave the janitor picked a bad day to go clean the murder factory"
suiseiseki
I wonder if any civilians lived on Alderaan...
SoulfireUK
The rebels were the military target of the Empire. The Empire was demonstrating its right to defend itself from the rebels, who they have been oppressing. That’s ok though as that’s allowed. So because the Empire didn’t like the reaction to oppression by the rebels, they are within their rights to destroy the base of the Rebel scum and take all the land where the rebels lived. Therefore the rebels are the terrorists as serves the Empires PR better.
Andrzhel
So, the attack on the USS Cole wasn't a terrorist attack, since it was a military target?
Sebastopol
Well, what about the civilian contractors? Hm?
Sebastopol
Downvotes dudes? Guess nobody remembers this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQdDRrcAOjA
reiliger
porphyre1e00
That's actually an interesting question. Was the Empire late stage capitalist? It's possible the Empire conscripted skilled people. The Death Star designers were all Imperial Military...
magus200342
Idk about postdisney takeover, but old lore was the DS was built by slave labor and the engineers were all working under threat of death to their families. Cept that chief engineer from the black hole station who was just a generic mad scientist type who never considered that the super laser which could blow up planets would be used on inhabited ones. The odds of the DS being blown up with only evil people being aboard only 3p0 could calculate. Ain't good tho lol
flamingflamingo
Only if you consider the rebellion a military and not an insurgent militia.
nycterelis
Well, for starters, it being a military target does not mean it wasn't terrorism. For them to not be considered terrorists, the empire would have had to recognize their legitimacy as an independent body. The empire didn't do this. They were called rebels. You might also know it as insurgents. Yes the empire was the embodiment of racism, fascism, and corruption, but ultimately the rebel alliance were terrorists. The point of the post, i assume, is to outline the paradox of law.
MorrighanWolf
The alliance to restore the republic was literally a legal rebellion because Pappi palps illegally took power.
originalhuman
And popular opinion
ThePunishersVengefulBrother
It was a military operation against a military target
ArcaneConjecture
I always thought the Jedi, with their "midichorian counts" were more racist. And they screwed Chewey outta his medal.
jediknightswhosayni
The Jedi had nothing to do with that medal ceremony.
ArcaneConjecture
Username checks out.
nycterelis
I like to ignore the midochlorians that were brought up once and never mentioned again. Also jedi != republic. That being said, part of the problems with the pre-empire republic *was* the amount of policing authority the jedi had. It wasn't always like that. Also, i should have said xenophobic. The only acceptable non-humans were the Chiss. Also, part of the reason Sideous was so quick to discard Maul was because he was a Zabrak and not human.
CreatureFromtheBlackLegume
For the most part though, it is only terrorism when it is meant to incite fear in civilians in order to get the government to change.
PatrikLilja
Also, if an attack is meant to achieve a tactical or strategic military goal, it's generally an act of war, even if it causes fear among the population.
If a military organization at war with the US attacks and destroys military installation inside the US, it's not an act of terrorism, even if the general public is scared.
PatrikLilja
They key definition of terrorism is its purpose. If you go to a school and kill children, because you want to kill children, it is just "mass-murder". If you do the same thing in order to achieve a political goal through fear and intimidation, it is an act of terrorism.
In general public, terrorism has come to mean a horrific act. That's what the meme is (perhaps unknowingly) referring to. Terrorism or not, it doesn't change what they did. 1/2
PatrikLilja
Does the destruction of the death star become worse if it's called terrorism or not? Is a mass murder in a school less horrible because the perpetrator "just" committed mass murder, but not terrorism?
In practice, an act of terrorism very often isn't different from any other crime. Terrorism only really has meaning when it comes organized groups. An organization that justifies horrific acts of mass-murder because they think their goals justifies their means. 2/2
ShadowShards
An attack on a military target is less horrible because the occupants of the military target are in the military. They signed up for war, know and accept the risks. People in a school did not and are unprepared. Those kids of attacks are designed with significantly different goals in mind. Terrorism has meaning when it's designed to cause terror. War is not terrorism, war is war. It's not good, but it's not the same.
Iapo
mmm no: insurgents are not terrorists per se, they become terrorists when they start using terror tactics to achieve their strategic goals. An attack on a mylitary base is not terrorism. In the Star Wars series, it's shown how only the empire attacks civilians and uses fear as a tactic (see Obi-Wan series, I didn't watch the most recent ones)
nycterelis
By definition, the rebels via their attacks whether on military targets or not were intended to change governmental policy through intimidation. That is an avenue of terrorism. It does not require intimidating or harming civilians. And even if it did, plenty of rebel operatives did just that. No the rebel alliance didn't attack soft targets, but individuals did actively harass and intimidate civilians to get further the needs of the rebellion.
ThomasThundersword
no. the rebel attacks were in furtherance of military defeat and conquest of their enemy. it was not “if we scare them enough things will change” or “if we terrify the civilians they will push for governmental change” it was outright “we will win battles against the enemy military, claim territory, and achieve victory”
farfie
The rebels don't want to scare the empire into submission/inaction. In the movies their goal is to prevent the death star from being used and they succeed with that through direct confrontation. Plus the rebels have a legitimate claim to power, considering they want to reinstate the democracy that Palpatine gained control over through couping the jedi and tricking the government into installing him as their dictator. They are not terrorists. They're by definition dissidents.
TyphoonTao
So by your definition George Washington was a terrorist?
PatrikLilja
By his made-up definition, the allies in ww2 were terrorists.
Keairan
I mean, if you ask an Iroquois, they'd definitely say yes. His epithet by them was 'Town Burner' after all.
ChazzK
An organized coalition of military forces from multiple nation-states, in uniform and flying bannered starships / fighters. They committed a fleet to a single military target. A single soldier got off a lucky shot. This is not terrorism.
If Luke had strapped the torpedoes to his chest, infiltrated the Imperial Capital, and shouted "FOR THE JEDI" as he yeeted himself into a power generator to blow up a chunk of the city without regards to true tactical advantage, THAT would be terrorism.
YouMayFindThisMildlyInteresting
So was the USS Cole https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/uss-cole-bombing
mercyPandaRunner
Terrorism isn't defined by whether it is a civilian target. We don't see the death star attacks as terrorist attacks, because we sympathize with the rebels.
Imagine the second death star attack was an attack by shia militias on an american aircraft carrier under construction, destroying the carrier (that would have wreaked havoc on their homes) and killing thousands of yard workers in the process. At that point, the ambivalence becomes more clear.
AusteninAlaska
As an American, If a militia attacked an American aircraft carrier, I would not see that as terrorism. Even if it was under-construction. It's a military device for military purposes.
raindirve
The annoying thing about terrorism is that it concerns motive. An attack at an aircraft carrier could be a terror attack, if its intention is not to degrade the US military but to send a message to the American public. An attack on an apartment block could be a non-terror attack, if its intentions were not to terrify civilians but to kill industrial workers who were building weapons for the war. (Mind you, the latter would still be a heinous war crime - it just wouldn't be terrorism.)
raindirve
(And of course, that also means the recipient of the attack is free to interpret those motives, because we don't have mind reading machines and we can freely claim, accurately or not, that whatever the opposition says is a lie.)
mercyPandaRunner
I wholeheartedly agree with you. Also, the motives are also not rarely mixed. Sending a message and degrading an enemy can be the same thing or coincide.
Sadly, the term is rarely used that way. Usually it is used purely to distinguish between "attack we support" and "attack we condemn". Just like the people knowingly sacrificing their lifes to hurt an enemy are always cowards if you don't condone it and heroes if you support it. A brave hero who flies a bomber over a country to drop bombs on>
mercyPandaRunner
houses and a coward who steers a plane into a house. Or a hero that steers a plane into a house and a coward that sits safely in a bomber dropping bombs on houses. Depends on who you ask.
DrWhy9
I don't know, the attack against the deathstar was not meant to spread fear in the general population and it was an obvious military target.
Ijustwantquiet
The attack against the Death Star was a last ditch military operation by the deposed government, the Republic, the Empire supplanted.
leodavinci1
Beyond destroying entire planets, spreading fear was actually a purpose of the Death Star. Moff Tarkin even says it in the sequence where Vader force chokes one of the other Imperial military leaders.
flamingflamingo
Houthi rebels in Yemen just fired anti ship missiles at U.S. warships. That wasn’t meant to spread fear either. Who’s the bad guy in that scenario I wonder.
Hashbrown123
The side that was attacking commercial shipping lanes.
ShadowShards
I didn't bat an eye at the attack on the warships... but the civilian ships is different. Strategically is makes sense, but we have applied higher morals to war. In an all out war all of our morals decay, but their behavior is being policed by a coalition of countries that want to protect their economic interests. So they're not permitted that behavior by society at large even if it were justifiable and a valid tactic in other circumstances.
anotherdeadaquarian
I have heard one of their justifications is they are having their maritime sovereignty is being violated, which is an interesting question, because we all know that there's nothing apolitical about economics. Did they target civilian ships for their specific connection to the Israeli military industry? Or was it just an attempt to shut the route down as a general objection?
ShadowShards
They initially claimed it was in connection to the Israeli military and to target ships only in connection with Isreal but they have in fact indiscriminately targeted ships, or their Intel is terrible. Might be a both both situation. They most recently seized a US ship that apparently the US seized from them a year ago. I can't really find anything on the technicality of their claim for maritime sovereignty. They are still a rebel group in a civil war so it may be void by international law.
flamingflamingo
I think it’s a fallacy to say we’ve improved moral standards for war. Erasure of recent history like the darker chapters of the civil rights movement and the condemnation of Malcolm X, the cherry picked publicized stories of Russia and Ukraine, as well as the reframing of the narrative around Israel vs. Palestinians allows us living in peaceful areas to pretend that we’re the good guys and radicals are the bad guys. The truth is much grayer and much bloodier.
anotherdeadaquarian
Houthini!
Peryton
He's not a terrorist, he's a freedom fighter. You can tell, because his side won.
HandoB4Javert
darkestkale
Did they though? The sequels kind of prove that there's another shitheel group that has dominant military force after they wipe the emperor and the death stars, and...
Stargrave3000
No, you can tell because he literally did no terror attacks.
ElPerroDeLosCinco
And he also wears a uniform, so he's a soldier and not a terrorist.
SoulfireUK
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
tanebot
History is written by the victors.
doesntmatter
Which is why I changed my name. I'll not let anyone else write my history!
AtmaDarkwolf
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TheWombatStrikesAgain
The Empire killed an entire planet and was planing on doing so again. The rebels fought to replace them with an objectively better system. Yes, they sometimes used dubious methods, but still nowhere near as bad as the Empire. So we we're nowhere near the 'both sides!' moral ambiguity that leads to question in the real world. The rebels were objectively the good guys.
heimeyer72
Would Luke's father agree to that?
TheWombatStrikesAgain
The guy who committed two instances of child mass murder before the Empire was even a thing? I don't care about his opinion on moral issues.
heimeyer72
heh :-) But now he's the 2nd to the ruler. When someone like him says, that guy is a terrorist, that's the "official truth". No matter how true or not it actually is.
ToastedEggSandwich
yes but have you consider that In My Opinion The Jedi Are Evil
Lampmonster
One thing I like about Andor is the exploration of the idea that the Rebellion didn't start as a cohesive thing with a settled philosophy. The movies just flat out ignore that in real "rebellions" you have to take the allies you can get, and they often have varied if not flat out conflicting ideologies. "Kreegyr's a separatist. Maya Pei's a neo-Republican. The Ghorman front. The Partisan alliance? Sectorists. Human cultists? Galaxy partitionists."
Peryton
100% agreed, and yet, if his side had lost they would have been called Terrorists. I'm not passing judgement on morality over a simple joke about reality.
Ryik
This is just pedantry, but the typical proposed alternative to rebellion would be to change the Empire from the inside and avoid bloodshed entirely. This is an ethical dilemma that generally doesn't have a clear and definitive answer in real life, and in-universe, it's not so objective, but since it is a work of fiction we, the audience, can say that we know for sure that such change is impossible without unbelievable serendipity written in, and thus justify their actions as objectively correct.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
There is an in-universe counterargument: Operation Cinder. Basically the Emperor decided that an Empire without him did not deserve to live, so he left plans to destroy it after his death (very much including loyal worlds). And there were enough loyalists to make it (mostly) succeed. I'd say that objectively proves that reform was impossible, even in-universe. Though to be fair: all of that happened about four years after the Battle of Yavin, so it couldn't have been used as an argment then.
AdoraApplesauceMeowmeow
If terrorists attack my country so bad that the win it, they'll still be terrorists for me, citizen of my former country
OregonComputerGuy
What if the terrorists come from within the country? As is happening here in the US
AdoraApplesauceMeowmeow
Well, terrorism is terrorism. Is it for freeing your country by a tyrant? Is it because some people believe they have a wider set of rights that do also step over all others' rights? Who is to tell what's good and what's bad /s (I add this because I see some people, not you, can only machine read like a early AI would)
heimeyer72
"Well, terrorism is terrorism." - who decides that? Every group in power names every other group that uses violence "terrorists". Some decades ago, such opponents were named "guerilla" in a war, now (according to Putin) they are also terrorists.
AdoraApplesauceMeowmeow
I don't know what "terrorist" means in your language. We tend to judge on our own who to call terrorist, and we tend to not let others tell us who is named what. A terrorist, in my language, is someone whose intent is to create terror among people. If UA people (soldiers or civilians) go killing russian civilians (not military) even if they originally were the attacked ones (the good) they immediately slip into the wrong side, becoming terrorists. Now, the post talks about Luke's group killing /
notacobra
That's the elephant in the room the user above was intentionally illustrating, well spotted.
AdoraApplesauceMeowmeow
Oh really?!!? Oh my, thank you for letting me know. Thank you thank you!! Much appreciated
TricksForDays
llortamai
srsfaceI8C
They also didn't use terror. The attack on the death star was a military action taken as an army against an opposing base.
ChareAndFlaff
This. "Perhaps you'd like to suggest another target, a MILITARY target." The empire was the one waging a campaign of terror.
Hemelsblauw
Have you heard of the Taliban in Afghanistan?
Quixus
Back when they were still called Mujaheddin and fought the USSR the US considered them freedom fighters.
MylundTheMad
Oh, our friends from the Cold War era? How are they doing, I haven’t heard? Surely better than all the other right wing violent insurgents that the US has armed and trained throughout the entire 20th century???
korndogg83
They won so they’re freedom fighters in Afghanistan. To a lot of Afghans, they always were freedom fighters and that’s why the occupation failed.
Youhavinagiraffe
If Trump won and managed to kill off all the Democrat oposition on January 6th would it be true that "Trump is a freedom fighter in the US". Afghanistan probably has as varying a view on the Taliban as Americans do for Trump, except they now don't have the ability to express most of those opinions. Something doesn't become true purely because you kill or threaten everyone who disagrees.
ArcaneConjecture
What about the contractors on the Death Star?
Myrealnameisunusual
They were being used as human shields...
doesntmatter
I mean, by our rules of war. Any civillian contractors on military sites, which there are often a lot of, are considered collateral damage (or whatever the phrase is, I'm not an english-speaker) because the site is a valid military target. And the Death Stars, both of them, would definitely be considered valid military targets. The rebels did nothing wrong!
TheWombatStrikesAgain
They saw Alderaan happen and decided to keep working not only for the Empire, but on the special genocide delivery machine. I feel at that point they moved from the 'innocent civilian' into the 'acceptable losses to prevent the greater evil of the Death Stars continued use' category.
Frederf
And the financiers working for the MIC in the WTC?
nlPirkel
And he’s white.
Hured
Brilliant.
Tall0389
That’s racist
HufflePuffPuff
Naofuieufuimoonmoon
Hate when it happens
SoupCanMan
Unless Reagan likes you. https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/archives/speech/proclamation-4908-afghanistan-day
tzahtman
SoupCanMan
https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/archives/speech/proclamation-4908-afghanistan-day Naw, just supported by white people.
Someshithead241
So you're saying Lando is classed as a terrorist?
Myrealnameisunusual
Yup. And chewbacca isn't even human...
Zuegma197777
He's one of the good guys.
EDDDDDDD
...and Chewie is both brown AND hairy...
Peryton
Myrealnameisunusual
The big wookie wants a word with you.
GuyWithDog
Plenty of white terrorists. IRA, RAF,... it's the winning part
Ijustwantquiet
The KKK
Youhavinagiraffe
The IRA did win, at least the original IRA did. Sinn Fein are also quite likely to be the largest party in Northern Ireland after the next election as well.
NotACanadian
The Royal Air Force, huh?
L4dead2
Trump
kloze12
I think he meant the Rote Armee Fraktion, or however you spell it, a post WW2 Nazi group in the BDR
GuyWithDog
They were radical left and fought against the former Nazis, that were becoming normal citizens in higher positions
TGPRax
The RAF was very specifically NOT a "nazi group". Quite the opposite actually. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction
aPokal
flamingflamingo
Ah yes the Golf War, who can forget Operation Desert Birdie.
daguq
And where the Desert Eagle gun got its name.
heimeyer72
Reminds me of Roko's Basilisk. Some people won't like mentioning it here (possibly because it has nothing to do with Star Wars and its creation can be considered as a philosophical problem. Others won't like mentioning at all, anywhere... because the philosophical problem may become a real one. And now all y'all can't deny that you not didn't knew about it anymore.
hashbaz
The idea that a future super ai would be so self absorbed that it would care about who thought correctly about it in all history is fucking laughable.
heimeyer72
Aren't a lot of humans that much "self absorbed" these days? And It's not (just) about who thought correctly about it but also who did not help with creating it in the first place.
hashbaz
Humans aren't near omniscient AIs, there's a lot of biological factors that influence human behavior that the basilisk wouldn't be affected by. It would also know so much more than any human and be powerful enough that no human would be a threat to it. At that point being vengeful to anyone who didn't help create it would just be petty. Which again is a ridiculous idea for a being who is immortal and not constrained by biology.
heimeyer72
How do you "know" ANYTHING about an AI that doesn't exist (yet?)
aPokal
Missionary Paradox, but atheistic.
heimeyer72
;-)