As a russian, on one hand im laughing but just like the memes, theres a background semi-transparent version of me thats staring in the abyss and thinking "how the fuck is this all possible and why are none of us doing anything about it".
It really scares me that the Cyberpunk Dystopia we're getting is the Akira/Syndicate one and not something happy and neon.
And now Zelenskyy is flying to Washington. Dude better watch his back around Americans, they'll get him to sign a deal and then arrest him for terrorism or something. Can't trust those back-stabbing fucks.
Don't forget - the $2B paid to Jared was also "allegedly" a tip for dropping off a similar exposure of US Agents and intelligence methods, and the investigation into such is the reason that the Saudi Prince had Khashoggi - the journalist - dismembered. The Trump clan has probably been selling out the US their entire time in office - and beyond - for personal enrichment and/or covering their blackmail, and they're going to keep doing it for at least 4 more years.
But there were no consequences. And then J6 happened and there were no consequences. And during the 4 years of the Dems administers, there were no consequences and he was allowed to run while being a convicted felon. How could they allow that?
I think everybody has already forgotten when Trump Jr literally tweeted out proof he was trying to get dirt on Hillary through Russian government sources. Literal collusion and he just openly admitted it. How anybody at that point could still deny Trump(s) were doing this shit is insane to me.
Spies and such should be an absolute “need to know” basis and the POTUS should not have unrestricted access to such information. And that’s coming from a former and future POTUS candidate. Patsy 2028, Unfuck America
That's looking highly possible. The same month that Trump started the birth certificate conspiracy, the FBI was busting Kremlin spies in NY. The spy program fabricates birth certificates from citizens death records. So..did Trump conjure up this accusation from thin air.. was it a coincidental lie... was it a directive given to him he knowingly delivered.. or did someone give him bad intel purposefully and he gullibly repeated it. I can't tell which it is ..but it's one of em.
He did. He built a case like he should have, even in the face of GOP stonewalling.
Attorney General is an appointed position, but the authority that comes with it comes from the people. The people fucked up in the midterms, and then they told him they didn’t want the case in the next general election.
The voters fucked up the case, but keep blaming him for doing what he was supposed to do because that’ll fix things.
In hindsight no he shouldn't, there are enough conservatives there. But handing out the attorney general job as a consolation prize was a massive blunder.
There is a reason why Trump fought so hard to keep those documents and why he fought to get them back. He was selling them. There is no other explanation. None at all. He was not keeping them as souvenirs. He was not researching some deep state nonsense. It was not he accidentally had them. He had them and resisted all attempts the government made to get them back.
When he screws up the economy and government bad enough there will be Republicans who will be fearing their constituents and willing to impeach. Flip three and assuming all Democrats are good to go then the House impeaches. Flip 15 in the Senate and he will be removed from office assuming all Democrats and Independents are on board. There will be Republicans get enough heat that they will flip. The question is how many.
No, second amendment exists to reassure slave states that they could maintain their militias and organise slave patrols that subdued and terrorised the slave population and the very few free black people. Everything about being armed against tyranny is modern NRA propaganda.
Strange how quiet the "good people with guns" people are right now. Who were so ready to over throw an overreaching government... almost as if those loud folks always wanted to be yoked. It is time for the passive party of the high road to take their place and show them what balls are
It's a little more clear when the tyrannical government is sending troops from across the ocean. This is from the inside and yes it needs to be America'd to death. Just can't expect Luigi to pop up in the Whitehouse during a DOGE conference.
Maybe some actual good, responsible firearm owners exist, though. Maybe they aren't so brave as certain folk Heroes currently awaiting trial and are still in their homes with their guns, trying to protect their families from the people who have bought into the narrative that The Left™ is their enemy and must be destroyed to protect their guns from seizure, their jobs from Brown People™, and their way of life and family values from "wokeness."
The "good people with guns" people are not the actual good people with guns. I say this as someone who used to enjoy firearms as a hobby but now can't stand going to a range due to the "good people with guns" taking it over
Well, I definitely agree with you on the whole "I feel you that we certainly CAN'T have a lady in office, now can we? Don't you agree?" -- I say that loudly when talking to my conservative family when their wives/daughters are in ear shot.
Like, your mom wouldn't make a good president because she's not your dad? Do you resent your wife that much? Are you that disappointed that you had a daughter instead of a son.
They did go hard. The case was absolutely fucking damning. If they rushed it, it probably would have been less so, hence why it took time. DoJ doesn't just rush things, and they aren't there to do the political bidding of Dems for election purposes, either. It's not their fault that: 1) Cannon got appointed to it, 2) Supreme Court declared Trump immune which was gonna make things messier, and 3) the people reelected Donald Trump.
Point 1 should have led to impeachment proceedings of the judge for not recusing.
Point 2 is nonsense because the law clearly defined crimes, and even the supreme courts terrible corrupt Republican-nazi ruling about “official acts” still does NOT mean immunity for obvious blatant crimes that clearly violate clearly written laws
Point 3 is truly a problem because Pres runs the DOJ, but notice how people just “accept” this blatant corruption but if it was a democrat they’d be screaming all day
It was Garland. Obama knew the repubs weren't going to let him have a SC pick so he asked senate republicans to suggest someone THEY thought might be acceptable TO THEM for him to nominate & Garland was THEIR pick, so he nominated Garland. Then Moscow Mitch refused to hold hearings, citing "It's an election year." This made it appear Garland was on our side so he was tapped as AG under Biden. Big mistake. His foot-dragging cost the USA this whole debacle. pee45 would've been serving time by now!
Lots of Dem blaming, and I agree they should have gone much harder. But they were up against the incredible bad luck of drawing Cannon as judge presiding. She completely blocked everything. Let’s not forget her role in this
And the democrats accepted that. She should have been impeached for failing to recuse herself.
But meanwhile the media didn’t do wall to wall coverage. A democrat does something trivial (Obama’s mustard or brown suit) and it’s wall to wall condemnation, republicans do massive crimes every minute every day and the media just gets in line with fake “centrists” writing editorials. (Centrist = Republican and lying about it.)
The idea is the democrats have to be perfect because they are judged on a much higher level. Can't rush into things. Republicans on the other hand, can do and say what ever they want. Just think of the outrage is biden put someone in charge like billionaire George Soros into a gov position. The GOP and other democrats would never shut up. Mean while, Elon is their version and he is worse and no republicans bat an eye.
You absolutely cannot rush into a serious case that could involve imprisoning the previous President in a super heated political environment. DoJ doesn't play around with frivolous bullshit either, and always makes sure their cases are air tight and this one needed to be even moreso. Going in sloppy and Trump getting off that way would have been even worse.
Unlike the Republicans who literally didn’t present a party platform in 2020 for the first time ever, substituting it with a blanket “whatever this guy wants IS our platform!” statement, and who had multiple chances to keep him from public office again with several impeachment opportunities, but said they’d blindly exonerate him even before being presented with evidence.
Term limits are a dogshit idea that lead to worse corruption than what we have now. It’s why Trump wants to institute them so bad for senators and representatives.
People need to start realizing “experience isn’t the problem, voters holding leaders accountable is the problem.”
This was fairly well covered at the time it happened. If you're asking if there's "this is how it all happened" investigative journalistic article with video of Trump saying he did this, there isn't one. But...
Trump asked ODNI to provide a list, CIA did report they lost a lot of people for "unknown reasons", and Trump had those documents among his Mar a Lago cache. And CIA was concerned enough that they pulled their top spy from Russia.
All these meetings are matters of public record and broadly reported in the press, if you're looking for a source where Trump himself says "yeah I sold out the CIA so their agents would all die" that's obviously not gonna exist. There's a point at which you have to stop looking for citations for conclusions and look at the documented evidence yourself, then use your brain to connect the two things.
CIA's not going to say "the president sold us out," either, because that just invites a bidding war for every foreign power that wants to know who's watching them and is willing to cut a check about it. I don't have a source for that, I just, you know, thought it through.
Hey look, conjecture. Sure, you could be right. Or you could be guessing and wildly wrong be you don't have the facts. If only there were a way to show your work so others might be able to connect good info. If only...
It is literally impossible to have a new thought if you never stop looking for citations. You have to also be able to synthesize new information and fit it into your model of the world or you aren’t doing any thinking at all, you’re just collating other peoples’ work.
This isn't a case of coming across novel information. This is a case of someone attempting to sway people's opinion. There is literally no clearer example of needing citations.
You clearly don’t understand the word “opinion,” no citations for one are even possible. Lack of evidence is not the same thing as evidence of falsity.
Clayman8
As a russian, on one hand im laughing but just like the memes, theres a background semi-transparent version of me thats staring in the abyss and thinking "how the fuck is this all possible and why are none of us doing anything about it".
It really scares me that the Cyberpunk Dystopia we're getting is the Akira/Syndicate one and not something happy and neon.
torp
No problem. He's pardoned. Because, you know. USA...
laserfork
And now Zelenskyy is flying to Washington. Dude better watch his back around Americans, they'll get him to sign a deal and then arrest him for terrorism or something. Can't trust those back-stabbing fucks.
Navrodel
Don't forget - the $2B paid to Jared was also "allegedly" a tip for dropping off a similar exposure of US Agents and intelligence methods, and the investigation into such is the reason that the Saudi Prince had Khashoggi - the journalist - dismembered.
The Trump clan has probably been selling out the US their entire time in office - and beyond - for personal enrichment and/or covering their blackmail, and they're going to keep doing it for at least 4 more years.
Birdnose
He uhhhh…. Literally just did this again recently….
Phant0mmm
I thought i remembered this happening, but just in case anybody wanted a source.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-putin-meet-g20-summit-japan-today-2019-06-28/
jhomeMemeDancer
I’m not sure if you guys are aware but this is real life not a Netflix series, wake the fuck up
Helixninja333
I've had bad bosses before, but I never had to worry about them actually getting me killed.
IamAlbertPotato
Why hasn't the CIA Kennedy'd him already
charliegrs
Is there any source for this other than some rando on the Nazi site
jacquelinedilmore86
Seriously how can what he is doing be legal? I didn't thi k bei g president ment that you were above the law. Why can't anything be done?
imightbeabearindisguise
But there were no consequences. And then J6 happened and there were no consequences. And during the 4 years of the Dems administers, there were no consequences and he was allowed to run while being a convicted felon. How could they allow that?
Zuegma197777
Tell that to the "Veterans for trump". Ship has sailed honey.
Seanspeed
I think everybody has already forgotten when Trump Jr literally tweeted out proof he was trying to get dirt on Hillary through Russian government sources. Literal collusion and he just openly admitted it. How anybody at that point could still deny Trump(s) were doing this shit is insane to me.
Orc6000
It’s beyond me how you allow him to get away with this out in the open. It’s not even like he’s good at anything.
fastjeff
All you had to do was vote.
rastaX
Did? ____ Is doing.
GTimgur
Highly believable but gonna need a litttttle more info than random social media post.
Otteritup
/a/eFagFN1
myth1250
Spies and such should be an absolute “need to know” basis and the POTUS should not have unrestricted access to such information. And that’s coming from a former and future POTUS candidate. Patsy 2028, Unfuck America
NinjaCongo
@OP, sauce pls?
NewtGinGrinch
Kremlins "Illegals" program was used as leverage. Switched out scapegoats. Putin gives Trump a list of dissidents and marks. Trump gives up
NewtGinGrinch
our agents. It's treason. Trump fell for the biggest con job is history.
HamAdvocate
He didn't fall for it, he participated.
NewtGinGrinch
That's looking highly possible. The same month that Trump started the birth certificate conspiracy, the FBI was busting Kremlin spies in NY. The spy program fabricates birth certificates from citizens death records. So..did Trump conjure up this accusation from thin air.. was it a coincidental lie... was it a directive given to him he knowingly delivered.. or did someone give him bad intel purposefully and he gullibly repeated it. I can't tell which it is ..but it's one of em.
taez555
I’m sure Merrick Garland will get to it any day now. Just as soon as he’s done giving another speech at the Federalist Society.
Svartsinn
wadatahmydamie
Garland did what the voters told him they wanted.
DukeDarkwood
He was the Attorney General. That's an appointed position. He should have done his JOB.
wadatahmydamie
He did. He built a case like he should have, even in the face of GOP stonewalling.
Attorney General is an appointed position, but the authority that comes with it comes from the people. The people fucked up in the midterms, and then they told him they didn’t want the case in the next general election.
The voters fucked up the case, but keep blaming him for doing what he was supposed to do because that’ll fix things.
Kiares
Nah, at this point if there was a button that killed everyone who voted for trump, id push it and sleep like a fucking baby
wadatahmydamie
Good for you. Convenient that this boast of yours hinges on a magic button, rather than community action, or protest, or acts of sabotage.
Bluewolf35948
He should have been in SCOTUS. That was his appointed job.
SalmonTheWise
In hindsight no he shouldn't, there are enough conservatives there. But handing out the attorney general job as a consolation prize was a massive blunder.
Bluewolf35948
I mean I'd take him over Gorsuch any day
commentsivehadafew
AMercer
There is a reason why Trump fought so hard to keep those documents and why he fought to get them back. He was selling them. There is no other explanation. None at all. He was not keeping them as souvenirs. He was not researching some deep state nonsense. It was not he accidentally had them. He had them and resisted all attempts the government made to get them back.
AMercer
When he screws up the economy and government bad enough there will be Republicans who will be fearing their constituents and willing to impeach. Flip three and assuming all Democrats are good to go then the House impeaches. Flip 15 in the Senate and he will be removed from office assuming all Democrats and Independents are on board. There will be Republicans get enough heat that they will flip. The question is how many.
wouldClimbForCash
15 senate seats is a lot, but I hear ya.
Ikwilstroopwaffels
If only laws mattered anymore.
Dogstar23
If only laws mattered.... in America.. anymore.
Shadowkrieger
If only terrorist were actually executed when found.
sharK11
they do to some of us
SpecialAgentPinkfinger
They still matter if you're poor.
Wizzbit
juts waiting for someone to hit the big red button now, call last orders and lets be done
redtails2649
They don't for some people
VindictiveBathToaster
Only for us poor peasants.
Brianetta
Isn't this why they enacted the second amendment to their constitution?
Ikwilstroopwaffels
Mark my words. They're coming for the guns next.
SalmonTheWise
No, second amendment exists to reassure slave states that they could maintain their militias and organise slave patrols that subdued and terrorised the slave population and the very few free black people. Everything about being armed against tyranny is modern NRA propaganda.
Brianetta
Interesting explanation that I've never heard before. Makes sense on the face of it.
Stellaloga
Strange how quiet the "good people with guns" people are right now. Who were so ready to over throw an overreaching government... almost as if those loud folks always wanted to be yoked. It is time for the passive party of the high road to take their place and show them what balls are
TyrannusEquus
It's a little more clear when the tyrannical government is sending troops from across the ocean. This is from the inside and yes it needs to be America'd to death. Just can't expect Luigi to pop up in the Whitehouse during a DOGE conference.
katoninetales
Maybe some actual good, responsible firearm owners exist, though. Maybe they aren't so brave as certain folk Heroes currently awaiting trial and are still in their homes with their guns, trying to protect their families from the people who have bought into the narrative that The Left™ is their enemy and must be destroyed to protect their guns from seizure, their jobs from Brown People™, and their way of life and family values from "wokeness."
Stellaloga
The "good people with guns" people are not the actual good people with guns. I say this as someone who used to enjoy firearms as a hobby but now can't stand going to a range due to the "good people with guns" taking it over
friendsofsandwiches
well...YEAH?
Anything we can DO about it?
we DID, but that window is now CLOSED.
You coulda had someone but you didn't want that lady in office.
Ikwilstroopwaffels
There is something you can do, yes. It just isn't "Oh we have to play by the rules" anymore.
quade
"Well I wasn't clear on how she was going to fix the Israel/Palestine yet, so I couldn't bring myself to..."
friendsofsandwiches
My eyes have rolled back SO much with those fckers that I look like I'm possessed.
Also appears I've upset a few people.
quade
Well, I definitely agree with you on the whole "I feel you that we certainly CAN'T have a lady in office, now can we? Don't you agree?" -- I say that loudly when talking to my conservative family when their wives/daughters are in ear shot.
Like, your mom wouldn't make a good president because she's not your dad? Do you resent your wife that much? Are you that disappointed that you had a daughter instead of a son.
friendsofsandwiches
ignotoCiResto
this is fire!
TheCunningLinguists
Krasnov.
ArgentXero
One of the funniest conspiracies which implies Trump was a secret communist! LMAO
UprootedGrunt
I would pay some (not a lot, but some) money for a journalist at Air Force 1 to see if they could get his attention with that name.
IloveHockey
3.50
UprootedGrunt
god damned loch ness monster.
Fyreworx
man if only they had gone harder on the documents case maybe things would be different at the moment.
Seanspeed
They did go hard. The case was absolutely fucking damning. If they rushed it, it probably would have been less so, hence why it took time. DoJ doesn't just rush things, and they aren't there to do the political bidding of Dems for election purposes, either. It's not their fault that: 1) Cannon got appointed to it, 2) Supreme Court declared Trump immune which was gonna make things messier, and 3) the people reelected Donald Trump.
FrolickingFrolicking
Point 1 should have led to impeachment proceedings of the judge for not recusing.
Point 2 is nonsense because the law clearly defined crimes, and even the supreme courts terrible corrupt Republican-nazi ruling about “official acts” still does NOT mean immunity for obvious blatant crimes that clearly violate clearly written laws
Point 3 is truly a problem because Pres runs the DOJ, but notice how people just “accept” this blatant corruption but if it was a democrat they’d be screaming all day
spontaneous9
It was Garland. Obama knew the repubs weren't going to let him have a SC pick so he asked senate republicans to suggest someone THEY thought might be acceptable TO THEM for him to nominate & Garland was THEIR pick, so he nominated Garland. Then Moscow Mitch refused to hold hearings, citing "It's an election year." This made it appear Garland was on our side so he was tapped as AG under Biden. Big mistake. His foot-dragging cost the USA this whole debacle. pee45 would've been serving time by now!
lightfoot2
Yep.
gesel
They did go hard. They got assigned Canon. That was the end of it. The Federalist coup was successful. They won.
Kyzyl
Biden should not have appointed Merrick Garland as Attorney General, that's for sure.
TheSilverSeraph
Lots of Dem blaming, and I agree they should have gone much harder. But they were up against the incredible bad luck of drawing Cannon as judge presiding. She completely blocked everything. Let’s not forget her role in this
Frozenspokes
"Luck"
FrolickingFrolicking
And the democrats accepted that. She should have been impeached for failing to recuse herself.
But meanwhile the media didn’t do wall to wall coverage. A democrat does something trivial (Obama’s mustard or brown suit) and it’s wall to wall condemnation, republicans do massive crimes every minute every day and the media just gets in line with fake “centrists” writing editorials. (Centrist = Republican and lying about it.)
Omnimorph2112
The Democrats are spineless.
kudzoo
*bought
xj4low
The idea is the democrats have to be perfect because they are judged on a much higher level. Can't rush into things. Republicans on the other hand, can do and say what ever they want. Just think of the outrage is biden put someone in charge like billionaire George Soros into a gov position. The GOP and other democrats would never shut up. Mean while, Elon is their version and he is worse and no republicans bat an eye.
Seanspeed
You absolutely cannot rush into a serious case that could involve imprisoning the previous President in a super heated political environment. DoJ doesn't play around with frivolous bullshit either, and always makes sure their cases are air tight and this one needed to be even moreso. Going in sloppy and Trump getting off that way would have been even worse.
xj4low
Plus, I expected to see justice Alito or Cannon show up on his defense team since they kept feeding his team info on what should be their next move.
Imalwaysready
Unlike the Republicans who literally didn’t present a party platform in 2020 for the first time ever, substituting it with a blanket “whatever this guy wants IS our platform!” statement, and who had multiple chances to keep him from public office again with several impeachment opportunities, but said they’d blindly exonerate him even before being presented with evidence.
wadatahmydamie
The voters were spineless.
Sebastopol140
Trump had enough power to not care about democrats.
Fyreworx
Don't want to rock the boat too much and upset their backers.
Omnimorph2112
That's the problem with these long term career politicians
wadatahmydamie
Nah. It’s the problem with voters.
Term limits are a dogshit idea that lead to worse corruption than what we have now. It’s why Trump wants to institute them so bad for senators and representatives.
People need to start realizing “experience isn’t the problem, voters holding leaders accountable is the problem.”
dizzyturtle
Any source? I don't take tweets as facts.
eddbrowne
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_prosecution_of_Donald_Trump_(classified_documents_case)
hiptobesquare
Same. Plus, all the grammatical errors don't really help their case for legitimacy.
LordHelmetTheThird
This was fairly well covered at the time it happened. If you're asking if there's "this is how it all happened" investigative journalistic article with video of Trump saying he did this, there isn't one. But...
Trump asked ODNI to provide a list, CIA did report they lost a lot of people for "unknown reasons", and Trump had those documents among his Mar a Lago cache. And CIA was concerned enough that they pulled their top spy from Russia.
Is there causality? No one can prove 100%
OlaphOfTheNorth
All these meetings are matters of public record and broadly reported in the press, if you're looking for a source where Trump himself says "yeah I sold out the CIA so their agents would all die" that's obviously not gonna exist. There's a point at which you have to stop looking for citations for conclusions and look at the documented evidence yourself, then use your brain to connect the two things.
Goldensands
Yet, anyways. He'll admit to it some day and receive absolutely no consequences.
cowboycoco
I don't think the meeting part is the *citation needed part of this. That being said:
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/575384-cia-admits-to-losing-dozens-of-informants-around-the-world-nyt/
Though again, they list a number of possible reasons for the uptick and don't count Trump among them.
OlaphOfTheNorth
CIA's not going to say "the president sold us out," either, because that just invites a bidding war for every foreign power that wants to know who's watching them and is willing to cut a check about it. I don't have a source for that, I just, you know, thought it through.
cowboycoco
Hey look, conjecture. Sure, you could be right. Or you could be guessing and wildly wrong be you don't have the facts. If only there were a way to show your work so others might be able to connect good info. If only...
cowboycoco
Also, there is NEVER a point where you need to stop looking for citations. If someone wants their information to be believed, they back it up.
It's then up to the reader to follow those citations to verify but there's really no reason not to include them to begin with.
OlaphOfTheNorth
It is literally impossible to have a new thought if you never stop looking for citations. You have to also be able to synthesize new information and fit it into your model of the world or you aren’t doing any thinking at all, you’re just collating other peoples’ work.
cowboycoco
Furthermore, what good is a new thought if it's entirely based in falsehood?
cowboycoco
This isn't a case of coming across novel information. This is a case of someone attempting to sway people's opinion. There is literally no clearer example of needing citations.
OlaphOfTheNorth
You clearly don’t understand the word “opinion,” no citations for one are even possible. Lack of evidence is not the same thing as evidence of falsity.