Everyone's going to ask. Autorefractor. That's how they determine the prescription. The machine images the back of the eye through the lens and uses that to determine how far off the optics are. These days most opticians use an autorefractor for first approximation and just fine tune it with the "A/B" tests.
Did you see the parents' glasses? Holy moly. I am surprised they don't require corrective surgery. I'm happy to see little one finally being able to see. My husband was like the parent. Coke bottle glasses and still vision problems. When our kiddo got their first set of glasses, oh, the joy expressed.
I just wonder, at this age... wouldn't a baby become fixated on the "thing" resting on their face and take it off or shove the stems into their mouth? (I'm assuming there's no teeth as yet for chewing).
My daughter has CVI (cerebral vision impairment). We knew to keep an eye out for certain things bc we knew she had brain anomalies. That being said looking out for visual triggers like are they responding to objects getting close to their face, are they following movement, so they react to light shining in their eyes etc. AFAIK an opthalmologist is typically needed to really determine cause and the severity.
Typically ability to recognize and articulate basic things (apples, bottle, parents) but they can't identify many things when they're too far. Too close is a bit harder to diagnose early cause they have already seen it by the time it is out of focus. Sometimes it is caught at a checkup. But most of the time we don't actually get it this early unless its pretty severe. Usually it takes until learning to read or school to find out.
My daughter would pick up books and hold them about 1/16 of an inch from her eyes. She obviously wasn't reading yet, but it was clear she couldn't see shit.
Sitting close to the TV is also a good indicator. I remember being told "Don't sit so close it will ruin your eyes!" But that was an inverse. We were sitting close cause our eyes already sucked. I guess modern day would be if they are holding that phone or tablet like VR goggles.
Often times if a single eye isnβt seeing well the child may develop strabismus (an eye deviating in or out) which cues the parents to get an eye exam. Additionally primary doctors now use whatβs called an autorefractor to screen children, I believe at 1 year. But honestly often times we donβt and then the kids find out when they are able to articulate it or start school and teachers notice
I've never had a primary care doctor screen either of my kids' vision here in Australia. The first they get their vision tested is the first year of school, unless you take them. My daughter has intermittent exotropia so she's been seeing an ophthalmologist since she was 1, but she has no vision impairment.
Good to know. Yeah, Iβm not sure how universal autorefraction among primary care is. Iβve seen docs in our area have a handheld device. I donβt think itβs accurate enough for measuring an exact glasses script but catches high myopia, hyperopia, significant astigmatism. Anything that might lead to amblyopia. Then they refer to ophthalmology from there
We make people all the time. Everyone of them is tested like a production line. By hour 12 I was surprised that my son was so chill about being poked and prodded.
It wasn't having a laugh. It was "you can assume that a parent with eyesight crap enough to have those glasses would maybe think they would pass that on, so they'd be extra vigilant at any sign of their child's eyes being defective, as this is often a genetic issue". Must be sad to live in a world where you see hostility in every comment where there is none. If you need to talk my DMs are open.
Asked my NICU nurse wife this very thing. Retinopathy of Prematurity is a thing that preemy babies have. There are tests they can do to check for it, and specialist opthalmologists that can gauge severity.
Machines do most of the work these days they can diagnose many eye diseases and issues. Precise diagnosis is still needed but untill the kid can say better / worse as they work through the process close enough by a machine is still way better than nothing.
With the amount of time we spend with them face to face, the amount of attention we give, it becomes quite obvious when something ain't right. My brother got diagnosed "fucken blind" on his right eye cause he'd never pay attention to the parent on his right. As for actually determining how fucked, they take photos of the inside of your eye, using a laser as a flashlight through your lenses. The laser reflects back out of the eye, either fucked up or nah.
The feedback you give an optometrist is for fine detail, usually for reading at a distance. For a baby, close enough is good enough. That is just a matter of eyeball measurements. By the time the kid needs to read a blackboard in school, they can say which one is better.
Yeah, I have no idea on percentage sight regained either, but enough to not walk off a flight of stairs is a reasonable start for a baby or toddler. Enough to start working on some fine motor skills with coloring
I've been to a few schools recently. Some use screens as add-ons but none have given up the black- or whiteboard entirely. One charter school I went to was screens banned on school grounds.
Yeah, that's fair. The one no-screens school I saw was the only one with a chalkboard. It is a bit of a hippy charter school. Blackboards, Latin instruction, a school garden, and chickens.
They use a "wavefront aberrometer", a machine that flashes a low power laser into the eye and measures the reflections to map the shape of the eye. They know what the map of a perfect vision eye looks like, so they choose an eyeglass prescription that corrects the eye to match that. . https://www.perplexity.ai/search/how-does-lenscrafter-clarifye-7eXJKw1.TF.QRZZWmGQ6">">https://www.perplexity.ai/search/how-does-lenscrafter-clarifye-7eXJKw1.TF.QRZZWmGQ6AQ . https://www.perplexity.ai/search/how-does-lenscrafter-clarifye-ljhcaxerTRmEwH3dI1BNSg
Yes and it's amazing. I've been wearing glasses for 40 years and ever since I started going to America's Best for my eye exams and glasses I've never been more pleased. There was always a "break in period" of a day or 2 to adjust to new lenses. Now they are absolutely perfect the first time I put them on.
Because your brain may prefer imperfection. Genuinely. They have you choose so that you're happy with the outcome. My brain refused to cooperate with the prescription I was given and we had to tweak it so I wasn't given double vision by it anymore
NeoAcario
Reminds me to ask... are those color correcting glasses for color blind people still stupidly expensive?
jridley
Everyone's going to ask. Autorefractor. That's how they determine the prescription. The machine images the back of the eye through the lens and uses that to determine how far off the optics are. These days most opticians use an autorefractor for first approximation and just fine tune it with the "A/B" tests.
kaijuuGold
jeepers creepers look at them peepers
chrome0001
Ng
TemplarMuse
[..] to good to be true,
Can't take my eyes off of you [..]
3dartwork
She seems thrilled
BluePlanet514
What the ...
netutoring
What's the earliest you can do laser eye surgery?
shanasphone350
Did you see the parents' glasses? Holy moly. I am surprised they don't require corrective surgery. I'm happy to see little one finally being able to see. My husband was like the parent. Coke bottle glasses and still vision problems. When our kiddo got their first set of glasses, oh, the joy expressed.
StonesTwice
that's the look of data overload, until the brain processes, and accepts all the new information.
It always ends with a smile
NeverDownvoteMelBrooks
DrSharkbite
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kjbopp
Human eyes have not evolved quick enough with technology to compensate for all this Imgur watching :o(
GlennBecksChalkboard
HybridReindeer
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rockmanx853000
The bay has some great colored eyes
mikeymikec
so you're the one who gave me this funky vision!
davebarton315101
Me, 72 years ago.
cytherians
You remember getting eyeglasses at about 1 years old?
davebarton315101
Yep but my mother reinforced the memory
Tjitso
"So my dad really is a black rectangle"
AlwaysDownvotesDogs
"Oh my fucking god... who are all of these ugly motherfuckers?!?!"
-baby, probably
SteveD31415
Please God don't tell me I look like that too.
JumpedInACreek4aBurrito
Fuck, I burst out laughing in public.
HandoB4Javert
Years later she was still investigating the world
grool
Who tf are you?
cytherians
I just wonder, at this age... wouldn't a baby become fixated on the "thing" resting on their face and take it off or shove the stems into their mouth? (I'm assuming there's no teeth as yet for chewing).
thekeyofe
"Are you seein' this shit? Am I seein' this shit?"
JemIsTrulyOutrageous
*baby removes glasses* "I've seen enough."
cytherians
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evolution4407
How do people figure out that young that a child's vision is impaired?
leonaNoodleBreaker
My daughter has CVI (cerebral vision impairment). We knew to keep an eye out for certain things bc we knew she had brain anomalies. That being said looking out for visual triggers like are they responding to objects getting close to their face, are they following movement, so they react to light shining in their eyes etc. AFAIK an opthalmologist is typically needed to really determine cause and the severity.
FuckGlitter
Well look at mom's glasses, thats an indicator for sure.
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
Typically ability to recognize and articulate basic things (apples, bottle, parents) but they can't identify many things when they're too far. Too close is a bit harder to diagnose early cause they have already seen it by the time it is out of focus. Sometimes it is caught at a checkup. But most of the time we don't actually get it this early unless its pretty severe. Usually it takes until learning to read or school to find out.
blackcloudsandrainbows
My daughter would pick up books and hold them about 1/16 of an inch from her eyes. She obviously wasn't reading yet, but it was clear she couldn't see shit.
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
Sitting close to the TV is also a good indicator. I remember being told "Don't sit so close it will ruin your eyes!" But that was an inverse. We were sitting close cause our eyes already sucked. I guess modern day would be if they are holding that phone or tablet like VR goggles.
TheBraveCompanions
Often times if a single eye isnβt seeing well the child may develop strabismus (an eye deviating in or out) which cues the parents to get an eye exam. Additionally primary doctors now use whatβs called an autorefractor to screen children, I believe at 1 year. But honestly often times we donβt and then the kids find out when they are able to articulate it or start school and teachers notice
phoenixsilver
I've never had a primary care doctor screen either of my kids' vision here in Australia. The first they get their vision tested is the first year of school, unless you take them. My daughter has intermittent exotropia so she's been seeing an ophthalmologist since she was 1, but she has no vision impairment.
TheBraveCompanions
Good to know. Yeah, Iβm not sure how universal autorefraction among primary care is. Iβve seen docs in our area have a handheld device. I donβt think itβs accurate enough for measuring an exact glasses script but catches high myopia, hyperopia, significant astigmatism. Anything that might lead to amblyopia. Then they refer to ophthalmology from there
davebarton315101
Their response to visual is vague,unfocused, strange.
ThinkThisOut
We make people all the time. Everyone of them is tested like a production line. By hour 12 I was surprised that my son was so chill about being poked and prodded.
BlitzerRhames
And how do they teat the arrength needed?
gtollie
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ebonyfaery
Mums glasses are bottle thick have a look π
WarmeChocolademelk
Imagine having a laugh at someoneβs medical device to help them live a normal life with a physical impairment.
ebonyfaery
It wasn't having a laugh. It was "you can assume that a parent with eyesight crap enough to have those glasses would maybe think they would pass that on, so they'd be extra vigilant at any sign of their child's eyes being defective, as this is often a genetic issue". Must be sad to live in a world where you see hostility in every comment where there is none. If you need to talk my DMs are open.
sixhoursinacarwithmymotherinlaw
Asked my NICU nurse wife this very thing. Retinopathy of Prematurity is a thing that preemy babies have. There are tests they can do to check for it, and specialist opthalmologists that can gauge severity.
dieselweezel
Machines do most of the work these days they can diagnose many eye diseases and issues. Precise diagnosis is still needed but untill the kid can say better / worse as they work through the process close enough by a machine is still way better than nothing.
FerbIsMySpiritAnimal
Hand them a copy of Alice in Wonderland and ask them their favorite character.
JustLettingPeopleBeWrong
Oh, because they display trouble reading.
NorthmanoftheNorth
With the amount of time we spend with them face to face, the amount of attention we give, it becomes quite obvious when something ain't right. My brother got diagnosed "fucken blind" on his right eye cause he'd never pay attention to the parent on his right.
As for actually determining how fucked, they take photos of the inside of your eye, using a laser as a flashlight through your lenses. The laser reflects back out of the eye, either fucked up or nah.
supergreenpasta
Trouble shooting. I thought my baby was visually impaired, but it turns out he's just "too small to play baseball"
Davidnfilms
They measure eyeball shape and can figure it out from that. Or they ask the baby and the baby tells them.
Jelhammer
Goo or gah? Goo. Gah. Ok, goo or ppbbb? Goo? Ppbbb?
AllTheKitties
Haven't been to an optometrist recently? They have machines to measure this stuff that get really close, just looking at the structure of your eye.
NorthmanoftheNorth
That machine goes wrrrbwrbwrbwrb
InDubiousBattle
The feedback you give an optometrist is for fine detail, usually for reading at a distance. For a baby, close enough is good enough. That is just a matter of eyeball measurements. By the time the kid needs to read a blackboard in school, they can say which one is better.
InfOracle
The goal is to bring them from 10% recognition to 75% recognition. I made up the percentages.
InDubiousBattle
Yeah, I have no idea on percentage sight regained either, but enough to not walk off a flight of stairs is a reasonable start for a baby or toddler. Enough to start working on some fine motor skills with coloring
PimpinKen
I wonder how many schools actually use a blackboard anymore
Discgolfing
The schools with good education still do
InDubiousBattle
I've been to a few schools recently. Some use screens as add-ons but none have given up the black- or whiteboard entirely. One charter school I went to was screens banned on school grounds.
PimpinKen
I was more thinking that everything has changed to white boards and expo markers. I assume very few schools use actual chalk anymore
InDubiousBattle
Yeah, that's fair. The one no-screens school I saw was the only one with a chalkboard. It is a bit of a hippy charter school. Blackboards, Latin instruction, a school garden, and chickens.
BeardedWonder82
And the correct prescription?
astrangehop
That's a laser thing
TheobromineAddict
They use a "wavefront aberrometer", a machine that flashes a low power laser into the eye and measures the reflections to map the shape of the eye. They know what the map of a perfect vision eye looks like, so they choose an eyeglass prescription that corrects the eye to match that.
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phonoodle415
Humans are too advanced
datphone777365
We are still in alpha stages. Still using dumb ape os to run software beyond our specs.
cytherians
That is REALLY fascinating. Thank you for sharing this!
iggylights
Yes and it's amazing. I've been wearing glasses for 40 years and ever since I started going to America's Best for my eye exams and glasses I've never been more pleased. There was always a "break in period" of a day or 2 to adjust to new lenses. Now they are absolutely perfect the first time I put them on.
n0gal
Ok so why the fuck do I have to choose between image 1 and 2?
Froggie243
Because your brain may prefer imperfection. Genuinely. They have you choose so that you're happy with the outcome. My brain refused to cooperate with the prescription I was given and we had to tweak it so I wasn't given double vision by it anymore
RyanSilver612
Knowing what little I know about how much the brain actually hallucinates, this makes sense
ME2BNS12
Well, it's really close anyway. They will still have to fine tune it later with verbal feedback for astigmatism
TheobromineAddict
Details on that: https://www.perplexity.ai/search/can-a-wavefront-aberrometer-me-soP6SpBSRlyUVCv_a_dD7A