Wow, who knew we where averaging 2.3 battles a year for 4 and a half centuries. We are so much more peaceful of a species than I thought we where when I woke up this morning.
If it was compiled by Wikipedia, I rather doubt that they excluded battles recorded by non-English speakers. This is also backed up by the time period given; English did not exist 4500 years ago.
Incidentally, I have a feeling that they missed some naval actions in the North Atlantic during WWII, and it's hard to tell if they got the Battle of Darwin or not.
Ehhh you know how often the Englisch Wikipedia page doesn't have the information found on another languages page? Quite often. You also know who has a hard time adding it to Wikipedia? Countries looted in Colonial times and still to this day. It's biased data keeping.
It looks like they're using a pretty loose interpretation. The West Coast of the US never saw any battles, at least not during recorded history. At most there were riots in the cities and some attacks by the Japanese during WWII.
my guess is most people just could not afford to deploy or gather that many in one place... the Romans initially said you have to kill 5k combatants for a Triumph but in the middle ages, states were much smaller in Europe so it devolved into ~roughly 5k dudes were present" sometimes including support staff.. the general vibe was always "have a 4 digit number" though.. while the other places fought many wars too... they were probably more spread out.. like both sides using only Guerrilla tactics
I feel like you're using a very white washed interpretation. When one group of people attack and kill another group of people is that not a battle? The western half of the US has a long history of Europeans and Americans slaughtering native Americans to take their land. There is a wiki page quite literally named "California genocide." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_genocide
When you say "recorded history," how confident are you that said "recorded history" includes a significant percentage of relevant fights with or between aboriginal tribes?
Also, what would be ideal for a "tight" interpretation? I ask because in absolute body terms the US' contribution to WWII would dwarf any intertribal fighting yet as a percentage of the population a tribe sending 60 out of 200 people into combat is engaging in a larger battle with a greater impact on future prospects.
There was a submarine launched fighter plane that dropped a few bombs and a couple of submarines attacked an army fort and an oil tank yard. The balloons did very little.
If I recall from the last time this was posted, it's only the result of searches the English language Wikipedia, so it's very heavily biased towards Europe and North America
Really out here saying there were no battles in NZ? What about Hawaii, which was a bunch of islands at war with each other until king kamehameha conquered the rest
Serious answer: It's where the "Pinjarra massacre" took place, which the good people of Australia saw fit to call "Battle of Pinjarra", because a white man fell of his horse, hit his head and died in coma two weeks later. At least 70 natives - men, women and children - were killed by a mob of 25 colonists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinjarra_massacre
The Emus didn't kill anyone, but killing them proved way less fun than expected and once the beer ran out the army admitted defeat and went home in disgrace.
They tried twice with fences before resorting to soldiers. The birds could get through barbed wire seemingly unharmed and would tear apart normal wildlife exclusion fences. They did build better fences but there were still tens of thousands of them on the wrong side. They'd spent eight years trying to clear them out when they launched the war, and after that failed it was still another sixteen before the situation was under control.
There is actually TWO dots in Alaska. The first is in the Panhandle. This is the Battle of Sitka. The natives against the Russians. The second dot in the interior of Alaska... I am not sure. The battle of Attu was in the Aleutian islands in western alaska. Since the battle of SITKA on eastern alaska is in the CORRECT location... im not sure what exactly they are going for.
No idea why the dot was placed in the middle of Alaska, but during WW2 there was a relatively little-known campaign where Japanese Forces engaged the US and Canadians on the Aleutian Islands. just off the Alaskan coast.
He wants it because the powers that be are betting that climate change will cause the ice caps to melt and open up a new trade route that they want to dominate. My hope is that the TOC's disruption will be like The Day After Tomorrow and it will just get even more frozen up there because fuck 'em!
No no no, don't bring attention to this matter! I mean, if the Russians and the Chinese figure it out they might not want it anymore... oh wait... I mean... ehhh... STOP TALKING ABOUT THE EPSTEIN FILES!
Actually it's not, this is just a bad map. On a Globe South America is actually bigger than North American(including Greenland). Greenland just looks big here because the map drawer is making a 3d object 2d.
It's not a "bad map". There are just always inherent problems with projecting a sphere onto a flat plane. There are several other map shapes/projection methods that lessen the distortion, but they're not as frequently used as this one because they can start to look a bit wonky.
OK, yes, this map badly distorts the size of North America, and Greenland in particular, making both seem far larger than they actually are. But North America is still like 50% larger than South America, in actual land area. If your globe shows South America larger than North America, there may be something wrong with your globe.
Ummm, no. NA is quite a bit larger than SA. 9.4 to 6.8 million square miles. While that projection does distort, a lot as you near the poles, NA is still larger.
That's not true at all, why are you randomly lying on the internet, if you review other comments provided by other users you too can discover how a globe works.
If you look at the actual figures for square mileage, NA is larger. Nothing about being on a globe is going to change that. Not lying. You might want to get your facts straight before accusing someone. If you’re too stupid to check the figures before making a false claim, don’t blame me for setting you straight.
swedeonamoose
Europe is such a friendly little continent.
Futchm
Now do a side-by-side of the same map without battles with English combatants
youreathing
FALSE. Wikipedia wasn't even around in 2500BC.
Redshadow09
I was going to ask "Where is the great EMU war?" but I guess that ONE DOT shall suffice
TypicallyVigo
Wow, who knew we where averaging 2.3 battles a year for 4 and a half centuries. We are so much more peaceful of a species than I thought we where when I woke up this morning.
MrPengy
Four and a half millennia*
chd7hubx8m11666
Something seems to be wrong with Europe.
totallynotatimetraveler
whats that faint one way in the south near the antarctic? were we fighting penguins?
ignoremejustlurkingaround
If you mean the one next to Argentina, thats probably the falkland war.
Redshadow09
I want to know what happened here
ImtherealBandito
Russian colonizers vs. natives.
Redshadow09
interesting thanks
chichiFregiLover
what is mad it's that most of european peoples are from the same nest. but these f.. morons can't stop hitting at each others (french here)
DarksteelPenguin
France and England have more (recorded) battles against each other than any other country have (recorded) battles *total*.
OddOod
That seems like a population density map
fromages
I can't see the emu war on that map 🤔
Sherpafish
Missed the Pig War.
Grendels2dCousinOnceRemoved
You missed one.
doctorId
I don't see the battle I had in the bathroom yesterday
DubhIainn
Yeah, thats the survivorship bias plane in mercator. Its a map of who is good at recording battles.
CorgisButtsDriveMeNuts
In Australia Emus just don't keep the records
swofromtherock
*map of English speaking note takers.
swofromtherock
/s ... ...
ArcUlfr
If it was compiled by Wikipedia, I rather doubt that they excluded battles recorded by non-English speakers. This is also backed up by the time period given; English did not exist 4500 years ago.
Incidentally, I have a feeling that they missed some naval actions in the North Atlantic during WWII, and it's hard to tell if they got the Battle of Darwin or not.
LaronX
Ehhh you know how often the Englisch Wikipedia page doesn't have the information found on another languages page? Quite often. You also know who has a hard time adding it to Wikipedia? Countries looted in Colonial times and still to this day. It's biased data keeping.
Scobragon
This is Emu war erasure.
triffidhunter
Looks like they put the dot on Perth instead of Campion
randomwalrus
What constitutes a "battle?"
TheLordFoxington
Someone takes the time to record/ make a wiki page for it.
svon1
the romans classified it as 5.000 dead ...everything lower is a skirmish
svon1
the romans classified it as 5.000 dead ...everything lower is a skirmish
Defcon2
Dungeons & Dragons
totallynotatimetraveler
lesbianGreen
https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1YzFycHZsN211ZzNoNjNwdGpsbXQ2dXVsMGZscGV2ajN3a2toZ3FweSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/xFlwsAsnuKMANNiWZ0/200w.webp
ChareAndFlaff
Unmute
superanth
It looks like they're using a pretty loose interpretation. The West Coast of the US never saw any battles, at least not during recorded history. At most there were riots in the cities and some attacks by the Japanese during WWII.
svon1
the Romans classified it as 5.000 dead ...everything lower is a skirmish
randomwalrus
Ah, so you gotta roll for initiative. Got'cha.
svon1
my guess is most people just could not afford to deploy or gather that many in one place... the Romans initially said you have to kill 5k combatants for a Triumph but in the middle ages, states were much smaller in Europe so it devolved into ~roughly 5k dudes were present" sometimes including support staff.. the general vibe was always "have a 4 digit number" though.. while the other places fought many wars too... they were probably more spread out.. like both sides using only Guerrilla tactics
kahlas
I feel like you're using a very white washed interpretation. When one group of people attack and kill another group of people is that not a battle? The western half of the US has a long history of Europeans and Americans slaughtering native Americans to take their land. There is a wiki page quite literally named "California genocide." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_genocide
Marikhen
When you say "recorded history," how confident are you that said "recorded history" includes a significant percentage of relevant fights with or between aboriginal tribes?
Also, what would be ideal for a "tight" interpretation? I ask because in absolute body terms the US' contribution to WWII would dwarf any intertribal fighting yet as a percentage of the population a tribe sending 60 out of 200 people into combat is engaging in a larger battle with a greater impact on future prospects.
superanth
Is there a record of battles between aboriginal tribes?
ilikehornets
Oral histories of aboriginals around the world are very much not recorded history
sturmhauke
The Japanese never invaded the West Coast. They did manage to hit us with a few balloon bombs though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fu-Go_balloon_bomb
superanth
There was a submarine launched fighter plane that dropped a few bombs and a couple of submarines attacked an army fort and an oil tank yard. The balloons did very little.
davefleming19903
How does a submarine launch a fighter plane?
japh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_aircraft_carrier
MechaNinja
Shouldn't like China and india be the same color as Europe?
aRabidGerbil
If I recall from the last time this was posted, it's only the result of searches the English language Wikipedia, so it's very heavily biased towards Europe and North America
shitheadtookmyname
Really out here saying there were no battles in NZ? What about Hawaii, which was a bunch of islands at war with each other until king kamehameha conquered the rest
ImtherealBandito
There should be FAR MORE dots on the plains of present day Mongolia.
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Having the data is always the first step, using it and thinking most battles took place in Europe is the Trump way.
ThisIsMyUsernameThereAreManyLikeIt
Ah yes, "the civilized world".
Drawstencil
I would have thought there were more battles in the China / Mongolia area, Genghis Khan and The Great Wall…
LupusLilium
All those wars and rebellions in a short period as well.
TypicallyVigo
I mean, Id think there was more than 10,000 battles over 4500 years. Like, there's no way we've averaged 2 battles per year for the last 5 centuries.
sittingfarawayfromtheworld
There is a little white dot in Western Australia, than where the Emus won.
DevilsAdvocat
oh, I missed that dot, I was just coming here to say I don't see a dot on australia for the emu war
bloxxing
that was a war, not a battle. and the emus still won.
HowDoesAnyonePickTheseThings
Twice.
fcib
The did not write the history books, they burned them.
DerpMeister
Serious answer: It's where the "Pinjarra massacre" took place, which the good people of Australia saw fit to call "Battle of Pinjarra", because a white man fell of his horse, hit his head and died in coma two weeks later. At least 70 natives - men, women and children - were killed by a mob of 25 colonists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinjarra_massacre
uziel144
https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1Y2M5aXVuZDB6b3lwNHI5YTFzM2ZkOTB0N2l6czFscHNwcWpzMHBudyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/kaxUHeXCenEjXyby3N/200w.webp
Splendoinkasaurus
*so far
jesuisgur
They won a war, not just a battle...
HonestCommentFarmer
monkeyfly
We don't talk about that.
TheVillageGrouch9000
The cassowary is the only bird that has actually killed a human iirc. Emus can be quite nasty.
2graves
Tuatara, among others
Tomcat1982
A swan killed an 37 year old man in 2012.
Hevach
The Emus didn't kill anyone, but killing them proved way less fun than expected and once the beer ran out the army admitted defeat and went home in disgrace.
wadatahmydamie
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emu_War
TheVillageGrouch9000
How bloody awful! Bullets instead of fences? Seriously fucked up.
Hevach
They tried twice with fences before resorting to soldiers. The birds could get through barbed wire seemingly unharmed and would tear apart normal wildlife exclusion fences. They did build better fences but there were still tens of thousands of them on the wrong side. They'd spent eight years trying to clear them out when they launched the war, and after that failed it was still another sixteen before the situation was under control.
Jackpot7777777
Emus. Good at recording battles.
GeofrontTmP
They make sure you don't forget
WoodORama
They quashed all mention of the great Cassowary uprising.
LespritDeLescalier22
The only species of birds with thumbs. How else did you expect them to fire a gun
InfocalypseRising
curious what that one little dot in Alaska is
Whatdoyousaytoanicecupoftea
Probably genocide.
AkLonewolf
There is actually TWO dots in Alaska. The first is in the Panhandle. This is the Battle of Sitka. The natives against the Russians. The second dot in the interior of Alaska... I am not sure. The battle of Attu was in the Aleutian islands in western alaska. Since the battle of SITKA on eastern alaska is in the CORRECT location... im not sure what exactly they are going for.
Taxian
No idea why the dot was placed in the middle of Alaska, but during WW2 there was a relatively little-known campaign where Japanese Forces engaged the US and Canadians on the Aleutian Islands. just off the Alaskan coast.
TheVillageGrouch9000
Yep.
spitfires2000
Wow... Greenland is HUGE! Bigger than Europe! No wonder he wanted it...
FortifiedWhine
Way bigger than 'Straya
somnif
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Mercator projection played a part in it.
choppedliveraldente
I already thought it did
CreatureFromtheBlackLegume
He wants it because the powers that be are betting that climate change will cause the ice caps to melt and open up a new trade route that they want to dominate. My hope is that the TOC's disruption will be like The Day After Tomorrow and it will just get even more frozen up there because fuck 'em!
pipatron
And no battles! He want to be the first!
spitfires2000
Just take a boat, go there and put down a flag. That's all. Just like Columbus... oh... wait...
Veh1
NearHereThere
And you thought it was a long way to the corner shop. Boy do I have news for you
zombiejedediah
Equator is two thirds down on projections like these
Scobragon
I am going to assume you're joking, but this is a good chance to bring attention to this site: https://thetruesize.com.
AgamemnonsMemes
Wait until they find out how big brazil actually is
delecti
I'm sure it was a joke, but Greenland *is* pretty big.
spitfires2000
No no no, don't bring attention to this matter! I mean, if the Russians and the Chinese figure it out they might not want it anymore... oh wait... I mean... ehhh... STOP TALKING ABOUT THE EPSTEIN FILES!
The701
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
theworldcouldbeflat
Actually it's not, this is just a bad map. On a Globe South America is actually bigger than North American(including Greenland). Greenland just looks big here because the map drawer is making a 3d object 2d.
Kittynomnoms
It's not a "bad map". There are just always inherent problems with projecting a sphere onto a flat plane. There are several other map shapes/projection methods that lessen the distortion, but they're not as frequently used as this one because they can start to look a bit wonky.
sturmhauke
Mercator isn't a bad map, it just serves a specific purpose (navigation) and is frequently misused.
dragoonwraith
OK, yes, this map badly distorts the size of North America, and Greenland in particular, making both seem far larger than they actually are. But North America is still like 50% larger than South America, in actual land area. If your globe shows South America larger than North America, there may be something wrong with your globe.
hogeyegrex
Ummm, no. NA is quite a bit larger than SA. 9.4 to 6.8 million square miles. While that projection does distort, a lot as you near the poles, NA is still larger.
theworldcouldbeflat
That's not true at all, why are you randomly lying on the internet, if you review other comments provided by other users you too can discover how a globe works.
hogeyegrex
If you look at the actual figures for square mileage, NA is larger. Nothing about being on a globe is going to change that. Not lying. You might want to get your facts straight before accusing someone. If you’re too stupid to check the figures before making a false claim, don’t blame me for setting you straight.
theworldcouldbeflat
Except you're wrong, did you conveniently skip the comments that took steps to define the phenomenon more accurately just to harass me.
spitfires2000
You don't say!
Bubble181
Your username implies otherwise.
theworldcouldbeflat
The username predates the flatearthers.