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TheAccursedHamster
The answer to sexism is not retaliatory sexism.
Hooffartedyeahhh
I was fired for being pregnant. In 2008.
In South Georgia.
Imadethisaccounttopost
#6 My Grandmother fought hard in the 40s against the being fired for being pregnant.
She was an English school teacher, and fought tooth and nail to keep her job, even rose to Principal.
She and my grandfather helped forever change Michigan law, and I am proud to be in the family.
darthstormer
Why are there so few women in the military? When they were actively excluded until recently, and now are open-season targets for rape and the chain of command looks the other way cause "what did they expect joining a mostly male organization"
oliharris19697
That stat isn’t even correct I’m in the US Army and women are 15% of the force.
UnprunedSynapses
Decades ago my dad wanted me to join up. I didn't tell him that I didn't want to join because my friend who joined the year before had been raped by another soldier and killed themselves from the harassment they got when they thought about coming forward.
ThrowAwayAcct0000
I considered the military, but then I remembered I don't want to be raped.
FuzzyX
I checked the UK where women take up 11.9% of the Regular Forces and 15.9% of the Reserve Forces. It seems that the United States has a lot of catching up to do.
YoureWaifuAShit
because the rate of sexual assault in the military is atrocious
JovanD
If violence against children was taken seriously those prison numbers would be equal. Also if mental abuse was taken seriously it would be 90% women in jail
ilovetraveler
Women dont commit equal amounts of violence against children as men.
JovanD
Yeah, its more.
ilovetraveler
Source?
cuddleskunk
#4 This one is the only one I have a problem with. Parthenogenesis has never been observed in humans...which means that all births require a fetus to be carried to term, which requires a zygote made of a sperm and an egg...that's how sexual reproduction works. Everything else that was a response to captain sexist asshole was valid and correct.
LaronX
That and trans man.
cuddleskunk
Yup.
nord54
#7 That is false and Chauvinistic. Women are not inherently more righteous than men. Margaret Thatcher, Golda Meir, Indira Gandhi, Sheikh Hasina, Ellen Johnson Sirleaf... And that's only resent history. Regardless of one option about those women, they were/are women leaders that made wars. Claiming that only men causes wars, is like claiming that "women are just better at taking notes..."
r0b0tc0rpse
The whole post is garbage. Just a big circle shlick for people to come up with reasons to hate men and further divide everyone.
nord54
I don't think that it's "men hate", but it is poor reasoning. The "men vs women" mentality is just bullshit. Yes it's much (much) more obvious towards women, but it is just as harmful for men.
So if you don't couple "70c to a dollar" with "men don't deserve paternity leave" you're missing the point. IMHO
r0b0tc0rpse
0.70 : 1.00 is a lie any way. With position and tenure accounted for there is no statistical earning difference.
nord54
Not a lie, more of an oversimplification. "lies, damned lies and statistics"
Dalael
The one i disagree with, is the person who says, "no one said we dont need men". Yes, plenty of people habe said that.
The one I agree the most with, is the petson who says both gender contributes to society.
But lets not kid ourselves, there are jobs that some gender tend to gravitate more towards. I say this without malice
McIon
Because preference/skills or sometimes lack of other skills but is not because oppression.
1yamia1
We will eventually get to a time when the most beautiful of women will be able to walk anywhere in the world, wearing all her jewelry, and it wouldn't even enter her mind that anyone would touch her. It won't happen in my lifetime, or my grandchildren's lifetimes, but we will get there.
Threads like this help us achieve that state of worldwide maturity.
Snooj
Men - 80% Men
UseYourVoice
I want the Star Trek future where people only care about your character, and no one cares about your gender, skin color, or sexual orientation.
wylkyn
#6 Yep, my mother had to leave her teaching position in 1959 when they found out she was pregnant.
IHaveAGuyForEverything
Wait… women couldn’t legally open a bank account solo until 1974 and we are somehow upset that they aren’t more plugged into society?!?! What the fuck is wrong with us? We’ve failed on every level. #apocalypse end us please
msfeatherbottom
wish the earth was flat so I could yeet myself off the side of it
chewmaca2
I don't think the homicide one is accurate, there is a high amount of unsolved murders that very well could be either woman or man. The sarcastic consensus is that its 90% of unsolved murders are committed by women because they are least suspected of being capable.
Sh1tMovieGroup
Ten bucks says he describes himself as an alpha male..
LiceBurger
Percentage of *captured* serial killers
PanNonOpticon
#2 In Nordics it has been observed that the more equal the labour market becomes, it will become more segregted by the job types. In that statistics, which I assume is US statics, 88% of nurses are women. Sweden which is one of the most feministic countries in the world, 88% of nurses are women. And 96% of child care workers are women.
Skew in workforce gender ratio doesn't equal systemic sexism. It may as well be from freedom of choice.
BrdCdn
Yes, you're likely never going to see anything approaching number parity in some fields.
BlindGardener
Statistical analysis suggests that female leaders of countries start a similar number of wars per year of rule as their male counterparts, within the range of a standard deviation.
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BlindGardener
I’m just saying, making more female billionaires isn’t going to magically make the upper class more kindly and moral.
We need more equality of labor, but we don’t need more oppressors of any sex.
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ThisNameUnavailable
Calling out only misogyny or misandry: weak, unmoisturized, out of my lane.
Calling out misogyny AND misandry: epic, based, moisturized, in my line, THRIVING.
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titoitoi
You do realise the standard deviation within which woman are elected, right? Just checking.
BlindGardener
Female leaders of nations are not just elected. Many of them inherit their positions through various methods. Neither Wu Zetian nor Queen Victoria were ‘elected’. Both presided over multiple wars.
Women have been running tribes, nations and religions for as long as tribes, nations, and religions have existed, though the majority of nations have been run by men, and the records on tribes are spotty at best.
ispendtomuchtimehere
I think statistically there's slightly more women than men..
BlindGardener
Thaaaaat depends on which country you are in. Russia has the most women per men in the world, and it's not even close. Qatar has the most men per women in the world. It's... also not even close.
There's, uh, very obvious reasons why both of these are the case.
BlindGardener
The average woman in Qatar can have two and a half boyfriends. The average man in Russia can have one and three quarters girlfriends.
scootwhoman
Every human starts out female. Female is the default setting.
levyathyn
Reminded that a lion's share of the work formulating a COVID vaccine in time was done by women, especially a noted researcher (Dr Kizzmekia Corbett) who faced scrutiny and discrimination previously over her own research simply because she was a woman. Well, and also black, but the point stands. Meanwhile I'm not going to shoulder any of the deaths ENTIRELY on one person, but nearly two million Americans died of it, largely thanks to the male POTUS and male dominated misinformation campaigns.
TheUnstoppableWampas
#4 And fuck you so much for that. I'd very much not like exist.
TheMindEntropic
I often say "if men don't clean up their act, science will simply find a way to carry on without them." OH HEY LOOK! PROGRESS ON EXACTLY THAT. https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/sep/30/human-skin-cells-turned-into-eggs-fertility-breakthrough If they're all just violent and put all their points into "Avoiding Accountability" and "Passing The Buck," why not let them disappear with the advancement of reproductive science?
CrisprCAS
To quote an exchange:
Some guy: "If men didn't exist, who would protect you?"
Woman: "Protect us from who?"
cousteau
I'm imagining a goose saying that last part
awkungen42
Good God, there isn't any coming back from that. But I doubt if you're having that conversation the person is even smart enough to put it together.
BioFlayerMedia
Other women, id expect.. most often it seems like women are mean to other women
CrisprCAS
Women can be extremely mean, but they don't generally go around raping and murdering people.
akafluffy
nobody generally goes around raping and murdering folks, that isn't a sustainable behaviour
HandoB4Javert
*whom
YpsilantiRomani
I know I shouldn't have but I did laugh at that one
morbidparsnip
Roving bands of rabid hamsters
KittyKlimt6
Not from the bear who would accompany us in the woods
adol795
some guy '"the bears"
ArcherPointingFromTheComments
Whom*
CrisprCAS
Quote*
ArcherPointingFromTheComments
*you make a good point. Perhaps I should refrain from editing, that way you can concentrate on genes.
TheMindEntropic
I often say "if men don't clean up their act, science will simply find a way to carry on without them." OH HEY LOOK! PROGRESS ON EXACTLY THAT. https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/sep/30/human-skin-cells-turned-into-eggs-fertility-breakthrough If they're all just violent and put all their points into "Avoiding Accountability" and "Passing The Buck," why not let them disappear with the advancement of reproductive science?
InternetAnonymityplz
This is what happens when people are bad at statistics. 98% of violent crime committed by men is not the same as 98% of men being violent. The vast majority of men are just living our lives, and a good chunk of us are also fighting the patriarchy. "Lol get rid of men" is not helpful.
TheJuiceLoosener
Male bears
breakingthorns
Nah, bears understand that no means no; https://www.instagram.com/reel/DObzINwk5rn/?igsh=aXhpbnN1YXRwODY5
TheJuiceLoosener
That bear's a homophobe
Swiggy1957
Reminds ofvthe time a Doberman scared my wife. The kids and I were in the car ready to go, but she dawdled in the house. She finally came out and aa neighbors dobie trotted up to the car. Wife was terrified. She trembled and said there was a Doberman in front of her. I got out of the car, walked around and saw it was only about 6 months old. I looked at it and said, "get outta here" and it ran. Not, I didn't yell. My regular speaking voice, but with disgust in it.
Zedrapazia
Not the best joke tbh, it eliminates the fact that women can also be absolutely vile pieces of shit that torment each other.
My mother was bullied out of her favorite job when she was young by her superior who was also a woman back when she was young.
Humans suck!
CrisprCAS
Women can be extremely mean, but they don't generally go around raping and murdering people.
Zedrapazia
Pretending female rapists or murderers don't exist is the biggest bullshit I've ever heard. What a goddamn echo chamber this place is.
phoenix0path
Literally no one claimed they didn't exist.
You're making shit up now to play victim.
Get bent.
CrisprCAS
Men commit 90% of the murders and 99% of the rapes you illiterate buffoon.
Zedrapazia
... That are getting prosecuted. Finished the sentence for you.
Nobody ever listens to male victims of any sort of abuse or assault, especially sexual, did you ever notice that?
Hell, even women getting SAd was ignored for the longest time, those fucking numbers are beyond meaningless.
CrisprCAS
The MRA incel blocked me after posting a comment about men getting abused. Nearly all men who have been victims of violent crime, especially sexual abuse, were victimized by another man.
Cats2cats
I have a friend who asked if I had ever been assaulted in some form by a man. My answer was yes more than once. She said something must be wrong with her as she never had to deal with any of that. I said no she was lucky.
sfcorax
I, a man, have been assaulted by my wife. Do you people ever ask about the welfare of men and why some men snap and why women have higher reported rates of assault? No, you just try to make yourselves look like a victim, men don't do that.
akafluffy
You're literally doing it right now, chud
wherewehavebeen
Not really helping your case here, diminishing every other victim's plight to make you out as the DOUBLE victim.
The posted stats show that men are assaulted. Consider that a large part probably goes unreported either cuz guys don't know they have been harmed (like I was at the time) or are afraid of not being macho on top of the regular reasons people don't report it. Assault is bad whoever does it.
ilovetraveler
Let me get this straight. You're complaining about being assaulted but then also defending people that assault others (asking why some men snap is saying its acceptable to hurt others-it's not). Every woman I know would support you as a victim of assault but you clearly are not offering any support for anybody else who has been assaulted. You're only concerned with yourself and you're absolutely playing the victim. Do better.
QueLinda1205
At the height of #metoo, my then-husband & I were discussing it. He said, "I think this whole thing is overblown. I don't know any woman besides you who's been assaulted by a man." I said, "Um, yes, you do." He swore he didn't. So I asked him to name 10 women he knew off the top of his head. Then I asked him to guess how many of those had been assaulted. He said 0. I told him I knew for a fact, at least 7 had and I suspected 1 more, but I hadn't confirmed it. 1/
QueLinda1205
He looked like he'd been punched in the gut and got quiet for a moment. Then, still in disbelief, he asked how I knew. I said, "Because they told me." He got choked up, then quietly asked, " ... Why wouldn't they tell me?" I told him it's probably because he's a man. Then we had a conversation about how women have our own culture that only we participate in, that men aren't privy to, because it's our way of keeping ourselves safe. And that's why no woman was calling #metoo "overblown." 2/
Cats2cats
My niece thought I was over reacting when I reviewed self defense moves before she left for college. She recently said while being assaulted my voice saying, “cause as much pain as humanly possible” ran thru her head to her hands. She had never told family before (she graduated years ago).
QueLinda1205
And that's when he started crying. He learned that day. 3/3
awholelotofnothin
Testosterone is a hell of a drug. Listening to guys complain about the disgust women have towards the patriarchy is like listening to billionaires complain about how no one likes them. It's like, "And? You don't see ANY reason why people might be a bit mad that they've been systemically, economically, physically, mentally, and emotionally repressed by an entire society lifting their abusers up on a pedestal?"
Dementron
One problem is that privilege is very hard to see from the inside, so a lot of men have someone try explain male privilege to them, look at their lives and all their difficulties, look at all the things they think women have easier, and feel like they're being attacked and their problems ignored. Then a lot of them get defensive instead of trying to understand. And then sometimes they get the Manosphere telling them those feelings are valid and the people crticizing them are wrong.
Dementron
(And of course this isn't even considering the people who don't care enough about anyone else to bother understanding, those who refuse to ever admit they're wrong, and those who *like* the misogyny.)
Deshalope
No but you see women don't know what they're talking about. /s, cannot emphasize the /s enough.
awholelotofnothin
I see you!
HamSlamwich
JFC seems like it works best with both of us. Maybe the bigger people(fucking regardless of gender) should be the firefighters and construction workers. And the more compassionate ones(once again, regardless of gender) should be the caretakers. And we should stop having these biases and just let humans do what they're best at. Regardless of fucking gender.
barstr7
It's the societal inbuilt misogyny that keeps that from happening. We can't even handle large masculine women in entertainment professions like acting or sports without slandering them as being born biologically male. There's no way traditionally male professions like construction, fire fighting or law enforcement would not run those women out through hazing or rough treatment.
Bowtie8bit
What humans do best is survival of the fittest, might makes right, and abandonment of ethics and morals. I don't want humans to do what they do best, I want them to practice doing what is most difficult.
bippityboppitybuttsex
A note that most women in STEM and the trades leave because men bully them out of them... eventually they get tired of being constantly sexually harassed and move to less dangerous environments.
McIon
Such nonsense! My sister is such a woman and has no problem, but she has brothers and also knows how to behave as a human being. The princess behavior doesn't pay anyone.
BlindGardener
I mean, fuck, Amber Czech went into the trades and some dude caved her skull in with a sledgehammer.
Waidonut
I've been in Video games for 15 years, it's getting better but I've been harassed, stalked, and refused promotions and equal pay. Lots of women quit before getting in, or during because it's too much. I vow to make the industry better
JovanD
Im a guy and more less same shit also happened to me, there are a lot of shady studios, main problem is that they hire too much students and drug addicts. Now im in engineering and it's much more normal environment.
tamanostre
Yeah people told me to go into the trades and I was like are you fucking crazy? This is the southern US and I'm a woman. No thanks, not looking to get harassed
bippityboppitybuttsex
My wife is a chemical engineer, back in college in the late 1980s she was told, repeatedly, by professors that she would never cut it as an engineer (her grades were very good, there was no basis for the commentary)... 35 years later, she has been accepted, but she has run the entire gamut of being female in a male-dominated profession...
LucilleWhoKnowsNot
My daughter refused to compete in the high school electronics competition because of the rampant sexism. She found out she would have been the only female in a room full of 13 and 14 year old boys. She said no. Unfortunate because she was also the best student in her electronics course by far.
bippityboppitybuttsex
So, I am convinced the issue is that the boys were misparented... they were never taught to be men and to treat colleagues as equals...
Sure, they are barely teenagers, but you need to raise these boys to be good men, and their parents failed, miserably.
LucilleWhoKnowsNot
Also the teacher did nothing
TinaEveFox
Or beat them to death with sledgehammers.
normalizebeingalone
AND like one of the comments mentioned STEM & Math used to have more female involvement until they were shoved out. Now like you said they cant regain a foothold in a field they use to thrive in.
mumbleape
And of course, these shitheads have to take the stance of "if you can't take it: leave". How about, like... you know... not acting like a fucking dick 24/7?
bippityboppitybuttsex
I assume they treat the women in their workplace like garbage and have already lost jobs for the shit they have pulled.
thedudeman519
They say that when women complain about dating too I'm here like "They are leaving and now there's supposedly a 'male lonliness epidemic'"
Some people just want to have it both ways
r0b0tc0rpse
There is a difference between sexual harassment and peer bullying. Men bully men. Women bully women. When men bully women in the same way they bully men it isn't automatically sexual harassment. Trying to find it, but a long time ago I read an interesting paper that said often when men view women as peers in the work place and engage in the type of competitive bullying they do with other men it is often miscategorized as SH, and the opposite of discrimination (even though it is negative).
bippityboppitybuttsex
Fun Fact, a hostile work environment is hostile regardless of gender of the attacker and abused.
r0b0tc0rpse
That is exactly the point. They're *not* being discriminated against. They're just not equipped to deal with it (not that it is right that it happens at all).
whoisyourdaddy
How many of y'all are actually in STEM? I have done projects at several cutting edge bio-tech firms, they have a lot of female researchers, all of whom are highly respected. And the trades? 2 female electricians on the last project I did, the rest of the team loved them, and I can attest that the attitudes of everyone on the project were buoyed by them being there. Less swearing too. Maybe y'all just live in a shitty neighborhood. My experience is in Seattle.
LucilleWhoKnowsNot
My daughter is now a heavy duty mechanic. Her work place is great. They don't allow any discrimination from anyone. She takes her turn on the service roster like everyone else
bippityboppitybuttsex
I am lucky to work in a diverse IT team where everyone is treated as a peer... an actual peer... everyone earned their place on the team and is treated as an equal member (everyone has their own speciality, routing, switching, voice, video, Teams, Webex, email, storage, Azure/Entra...
UnprunedSynapses
I'm in STEM. I know men and women who were fired for reporting their male harassers/attackers. I've also seen women harassers get fired WAY faster than men.
bippityboppitybuttsex
So, I have had women bosses before and it really is no different to me... I was raised by a single mom with an absentee dad, so seeing a woman in a position of absolute authority is ordinary to me... TBH, I prefer working for a woman... mostly because they aren't as quick to judge an action and will investigate first (this is anecdotal AF, BTW... I am sure there are unreasonable women in leadership positions as well).
justasanne
I'm a woman in STEM. I dropped out of my first college because I was one of two girls in my year. The bullying wasn't just sexual harassment, there was a lot overall bullying because I was a woman and didn't fit in with the 'boys'. I went back to college in my late 20s/early 30s. My first internship I had several men openly comment "A woman in IT? How quaint!" to my face. I have had people in similar positions in other companies ridicule me over the phone for asking a question related but not >
justasanne
> specific to my field just two months ago while treating male coworkers with utmost respect. I had to work so hard to be taken seriously that I'm overqualified for the position I'm in but stick with the company I'm at because I'm respected and valued as a human being before being a woman, something I'm not guaranteed to have anywhere else. I can't ignore the decade and a half of mistreatment I endured just because I'm now in a great company that values me.
whoisyourdaddy
What part of the country did this occur in?
bippityboppitybuttsex
Wife does storage/virtualization and her company routinely uses her as their unicorn and drags her to every event to show off they have a senior IT lady... she told me once she had been passed over so many times that now, if being female gets her more money, she is gonna take it.
She is also really good at her job.
Chilichunks
Google, define "anecdotal evidence", please.
1yamia1
Google, define "systemic reality", please.
I corrected that for you. You're welcome.
Chilichunks
What's really funny is your comment makes it clear you didn't even bother to fully read or comprehend what either comment said lol To give you a little help here, the comment I replied to is attempting to claim that um ackhually there's tons of women in tech and nobody ever looks down on them. I hope that helps you put my comment and your lack of comprehension into a new, correct context. You're welcome 🤗
1yamia1
"um ackhually" LOL. That says enough about your comment.
ragekritz
as a guy, not disagreeing, but I do get tired of gendered politics that I know aren't aimed at me but feel sometimes we're grouped in with a bunch of shit dudes that we have little in common with. so when I see "men start wars, men are the criminals men are the xyz" im like ok great i love being associated with the perpetual needless violence of the world. and yet i have had experienced abusive women, and yet respect women like my sister and my friends. i try not to get pulled into this stuff.
Appollon
I believe you. This is one of the examples how misogyny hurts men too.
TooCoolForZuul
and misandry hurts women too.
Cataleast
I don't feel that it's any slight towards me personally to note that men are vastly overrepresented when it comes to statistics regarding violent crime, etc. It's an inescapable fact. I get why someone'd be wary of me, because statistically speaking, I'm a fucking threat, but since I don't partake in the kind of behaviour that'd contribute to these statistics, it's not a criticism levied against me personally, so it's no skin off my nose.
ragekritz
Even though it does frustrate me I have to agree cuz most of the time when I hear people complaining about men I don't think it's about me or my any of my friends personally. But it does get tiresome when most conversations about men are either how lonely they are or how much of a problem they are there's a lot of men I hate out in the world and there's a lot of women I hate too most of them are conservative politicians. But that's a whole other thing entirely.
Spiderbutts
I think the subtext here that really should be clarified is that if they're going to use statistics to push their weird idea that women are useless as truth then, by their own logic, all men are dangerous and violent. The point is to try and frame how ridiculous they're being because obviously you're NOT. Unfortunately I think this really needs to be spelled out these days. Critical thinking is at an all time low and if these themes aren't put in plain sight, it just makes everything worse->
Spiderbutts
because the argument turns from "Statistics are not gospel" to "MEN BAD, ACTUALLY".
Like 98% of sex offenders are men, for example, is PROBABLY getting construed as "98% of men are sex offenders" which is, ha, no. 1 in 11 men (est) will go to prison in their lifetime. That's 9%. That's 15 million men, out of almost 200. A lot of men. But also, not a lot, when you run the comparison.
These days I just block people and move on. It ain't worth the argument. Most people are decent. I wish ->
Spiderbutts
we were all just nicer to each other. I wish we could get over all this shit.
ragekritz
basically, and women who fall in line with toxic femininity, usually in tandem with the men who are toxically masculine. being masculine or feminine isn't a negative or positive thing innately. the toxic fem is either a terf or a tradwife who plays victim when attacking acts as though they are pure when they cause problems, both believing their gender gives them a higher standing. toxic masc are those who push aggressive violence or coercion in such means listed earlier. and many more things.
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
This one (#3) is questionable because it ignores a lot of issues in policing and justice and the unfairness in a lot of systems, both in how that overly hurts men, overly favors women, overly ignores some issues(for example, 20 years ago, this kind of list might have said that marital rape doesn't exist). I take issue not because women seem crime-y to me, but because I know criminal punishment systems are sexist, racist, and ableist. That contributes to the skew
grandfalloon
Well, partly true. The legal system is often exceedingly harsh on women who use violence to protect themselves or their children. Because deep down, even subconsciously, a lot of people believe it's a man's job to protect women.
ilovetraveler
https://www.apa.org/monitor/2025/04-05/sentencing-women-abuse-survivors
eventide215
What world do you live in? Women have literally gotten away with murder for saying they were PMSing.. but meanwhile a woman could simply *say* a man touched her and suddenly he's in jail for years because of sexual assault.
notblat
What the fuck are you on about. Imagine thinking unsupported allegations of sexual assault have any significant rate of occurrence compared to the millions of sexual assaults that go unprosecuted because of systemic power imbalances, victim-blaming, and a deeply misogynistic and patriarchal society and culture. Lmao.
sctigerz7980
Yet Brock Turner, Jesse Butler, Donald Trump and a shit ton of other similar dudes are out there just walking around as free men.
Hyzaku
Almost like money and power beats out systemic biases and inequalities.