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Aug 26, 2023 12:54 AM
TheRainbowegoSweet007
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Nanntuckett
I call this piece “Beijing to Los Angeles”
macdjord
It turns out unpadded cardboard boxes aren't a good way to ship hollow glass cubes. Who knew!
MrWobblyHead
Yeah. The courier service were set up to fail if those are the actual shipping boxes.
Skevoid
As someone that's been cut a bunch of times because of improperly packaged parcels, Walead Beshty is a thoughtless jerk.
Akaszkronos
Use some fragile tape to get some nice extra fracture lines
TastyBrainMeats
The boxes are laminate
billyjonas
hammockstain
As a person that works for a “shipper”, it goes like this- we throw box, say “that sounds broken” then we go about our workday
Copperbrat
I collect glass and once purchased a vase off ebayUK. They shipped it to the US in a plastic shopping bag wrapped once with tape. Literally no box, no packing. It arrived as a bag full of shards. I asked the person what they were thinking and she basically blamed the USPS, going into this long explanation of how the mail is superior in the UK, and that Royal Mail would never have broken it. It would have been handled gently, delivered by a tweedy old lady on a bicycle, other nonsense.
hiyesthisissatan
What an idiot.
anzereke
I have no idea what they were smoking. Royal Mail are great, but they're still putting shit in a van and bringing it to you. I've never had anything arrive with the box damaged, but badly packaged stuff will be fucked up.
zHurk777
I don't care what anyone says, "art" like this is just stupid.
unfortunatelynotdeadyet
Did he mark them fragile
Hashbrown123
Why, he's not Italian.
bunnyrut
Frah-jill-ay
shponglefan
And risk them getting even more broken?
chicharrone
I feel like the title is a bit misleading
HappyLookouuut
As an artist, I find it interesting. .?… . ..
HenryLongfellowIII
An interesting titbit is that when someone tells you something is interesting it often is not interesting.
MarsIsAfire
*tidbit
HenryLongfellowIII
Either is a correct spelling, but 'titbit' is more British and more titillating. https://grammarist.com/spelling/tidbit-titbit/#:~:text=In%20American%20and%20Canadian%20English,spelling%20is%20right%20or%20wrong.
MarsIsAfire
TIL cheers
DonteHaversham
Interesting
TCGView
Darn, I could have done this with a tempered glass plate for my 3D printer. Thing is mine would have just looked like a pile of shattered glass.
OzRockabella
Now put a guitar in a roadcase on a plane and show us that on arrival. Too many instruments look like they were run over by airlines who don't give a fuck.
ClownishAntics
When I moved I sold all kinds of fancy breakable stuff that I couldn't take with me. I got disgustingly good at reinforcing boxes, down to making tiny cardboard triangles that couldn't compress. My crowning glory was a vacuum sealed 25kg filigree in an homemade cardboard armour airmailed to Australia. This is glass in a box.
Waidonut
I have to ship pottery. I have to make magic happen.
TastyBrainMeats
These are laminate glass intentionally designed to break
zoltarpanaflex
I used to run a shipping room, and with my own skillz, I pack things *well* for shipping. You can't blame the shippers if all you're doing is putting a glass box in a box. This is just …. it's not the flex - isn't that what kids say now?
LooseyGooseyBrett
Septcanmat
That’s not even the right character for that quote.
TooUglyToAltarBoy
exactly. I got 12 bottles of wine back from Argentina in luggage because the packaging was made to not break them. This person did the minimum for "art" and proved nothing in my view because of it.
aminalhouse
Mendoza Malbec?
TooUglyToAltarBoy
"the box was marked fragile." "you filled a cardboard with glass in a manner undeserving of fragile care."
Warthog2
Now I'm thinking, what's the odds the artist scuffs the boxes before/after receiving them? or sends dozens of undisplayed ones for each display piece?
AnOrdinaryWerewolf
The collection was originally conceived as a representation of the absurdity of shipping corporations owning a copyright on both the shape and volume of their boxes, but was later expanded to focus on how the journey that a being or object goes through is manifested through its physical form. The goal was never to see how badly the shipping companies would break the boxes, but rather to see how the boxes were transformed by their journey. He's not groundbreaking, but his stuff is kinda neat!
MarsIsAfire
Well no, he's glassbreaking.
BossVarriack
not to mention these are clearly shipped via standard shipping and not the dedicated process where you pay more for better treatment and it gets treated no differently!
AllTheGoodOnesWereGone
It’s funny that there’s no UPS one. (Because they lost it or it was stolen en route).
juliakitten112
Neat :)
psmith00
fascinating, and cruel.
bhuman
They are my new Beshty
Krmgtsm7
SortaSordid
What I really want to know is what the ones from UPS and DHL look like.
Jimbo64
They haven't arrived yet.
onlyhalfghost
UPS because they ran over the box and got a flat, DHL because it's still at a warehouse in Yellowknife for some reason
kc2syk
Pile of glass.
GraceMcClain
Whole lotta people in the comments proving that people on the internet are lazy morons who take everything at face value.
FlintNorth44
Someone has a grudge...
BestUsernameICouldThinkOf
richardstinks
Eh, I'll allow it.
Jewdakris
Agree, the art is the mailing of it, but he's not creating the patterns so why would that be his art, if anything he has to credit the delivery people as the creators and he's just a curator.
CheshireCad
I'm gonna go out on a limb, and guess that you have some *very* granular opinions on the subject of AI art.
Jewdakris
If you don't create the art then you aren't the creator, seems pretty cut and dry to me. If I pay you to throw paint at a wall who's the artist? Even if I give you the paint and the room I'm nothing more than a provider and not an artist. I'm sorry but if you type in endor bob Ross into an AI thing you didn't do shit, George Lucas and Bob Ross did and you pretended you were an artist.
Jewdakris
Backlash here from lazy mfers who think when they did color by numbers in elementary school they became an artist.
notacobra
OnePostCloserToAHappierLIfe
I can see artistic interpretation, but that's own personal perspective, not necessarily the artist's.
RichardNunez
This is art.
kombuchaguacamole
What is considered art?
matshelge
There is a long tradition/discussion of this in the art community. The current answer is "Art is what Artists" create. The edge cases here are then about objects that are pre-made and how much the artist should change to make it art. - Is this art? I would say no, the act of glass and modifying is both outside the hands of the artist. But you could argue the intent and sending is the art making act. As I am not an artist, I would lose that argument to an artist.
Suomijuusto89
The job of art is to make people talk about it, so this is art
jarnold3682000
A sideways urinal.
Smoretank
BigTex1
Not this.
AnonOmis1000
Why not?
BlackBabyJeebus
I have yet to ever hear someone who declares a piece of art "not art" able to explain their reasoning in anything even close to coherence. Maybe today is the day? Patiently waiting.
AnonOmis1000
Like, there are a few examples, like that banana taped to a wall,that you think could be called not art.it didn't really have any effort put into it. This, while not needing that much effort, is very creative.
netutoring
Uh.... artist. I try very hard not to be judgemental, but this is pushing it.
netutoring
I mean....what's the message? What is this an interpretation of? What could possibly be the thought process? What effort was put in to shape the material? I don't get it.
MarioBoon
It can be an indictment to the shoddy practices of delivery services but that also can produce unintended interesting visual effects. A glass box is not interesting, but the damaged ones are visually more interesting.
TastyBrainMeats
https://www.thisiscolossal.com/2017/01/fedex-works-walead-beshty
MarioBoon
Art doesn't need to be overexplained, art must also remain a mystery. That's what makes it intrigueing.
aaronsheffield
Legend has it that he's still waiting for the OnTrac package to arrive, 7 years later.
MarioBoon
And that package is called "Godot".
shastaRed
Low effort.
LawFiveGuy
I'm wondering if he calls them things like "Promises" and "Hopes and Dreams". Probably would get top dollar
RaZorHamZteR
I approve.
moxythree
So a guy puts stuff in a box, expects someone else to break it, and then calls it art? Is that how art works?
Obijesus
Modern art
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
Anything can be art I suppose, but what this definitely isn't is a creative work with sufficient originality to qualify for copyright protections. Same thing as a monkey selfie, only the monkeys are working for FedEx in this case.
Unstopapple
Yes. Art is intent, not method.
moxythree
Meh. I intend for this comment to be art. Is it?
MarioBoon
If you put this comment in the context of a surrounding where art usually is displayed and if you can convince knowledgeable people to agree with you, then your comment will have become art. See Marcel Duchamp
dicklep1ck
Yeah sure, it's ok to not like it. Art is subjective.
BlackBabyJeebus
Possibly. But keep in mind that they said "art is intent", not "art is the CLAIM of intent". But if you truly feel that your comment is art, then it's at least art to YOU. No one else is required to agree with your view that it's art. In the case of the artist in this post, many people agree that his creations are art, which is why he is now a reasonably well known and respected artist.
fuzzydadbod
I'm assuming he packs them himself cause that definitely does not align with packing standards. The dick.
TheBigPoo
Awesome concept.
16bitStarbuck
So?
pareidoliaperson
As a employee in parcel sorting centre it is incredibly how many glass packages and go and then come for return. Private sent packages however do very well but those partners have really sucky packages. That said, nobody around here give a shit. Heavy boxes are stacked on lightweight half empty boxes, oh you clearly tagged the box with fragile stickers?? I guess I'll throw it anyway! - People don't give a fuck 🤷
TI99Kitty
When I was buying and selling old video game systems on eBay, I learned quickly not to mark packages as "Fragile." It's almost like BEGGING someone at USPS or UPS to see HOW fragile it is.
pareidoliaperson
At this point it's an insult if you put fragile on your packages. What you should do is the basic stuff like no shift in gravity and empty space. So stuff your packaging with paper or something and make sure the item doesn't move around. A nice package (nice wrapping, clean new box) goes a long way (without any damage literally). They tend to handle those nicely (idk something psychological).
pareidoliaperson
Also put that fragile sticker anyway when it's truly fragile ofc. You never know.
secretoaster
We found someone who works at fedex, Amazon, ups, or usps
HommeDeFeu
FedEx??? Is that you.
n0d2ablindh0rs3
The intent is for the glass to break, I doubt the intent was to shame underpaid overworked delivery workers.
Masterdragon
they arn't underpaid, generally just set into a well crafted "go faster or else" situation: I.E. there is nothing stopping the boxes from falling off the conveyor and slowly building a mound between you and the way out of the truck......
IAmTheEarlyEvening
We're really not that overworked...
Waidonut
I do pottery. Potters must ship stuff. The insane packing we gotta do for shit to maybe survive is magic. I wish we could pay our postal workers a bit more to not destroy everything
IAmTheEarlyEvening
More pay to work more slowly? What sort of companies are you familiar with?
70m4h4wk
We're campaigning for the new 4/20/69 work week. 4 day work week/20 hour work week/$69 minimum wage
KawaiiInari
Yeah. I need to look it up because I can respect the creativity. I hope he's not doing this to be a jerk.
barnwolf
He's kinda calling out FedEx by showing their name.
KawaiiInari
Good point.
tanebot
Displaying the broken glass boxes on the FedEx shipping boxes kinda implies that the intent was to shame FedEx.
LerryV2
I mean FedEx is poo poo.
Higure
FedEx, yes. Any particular FedEx employee, no.
eggmuffin
Then he should pack the boxes according to instructions. He can't blame them for breaking his glass when he's improperly packet it.
Vixess
Nobody blamed anyone for anything. It's art goddammit.
Surisuule
I mean fed ex drove a forklift through a TV I ordered, then customer service told us to pound sand. Properly packed doesn't mean good shipping practices.
CyborgScribe
The artist statements mostly focus on the fact that FedEx has copyrighted the standard shipping boxes they use and seems to suggest that the dystopia late-stage capitalist idea that corps can own shapes and sue others for using them is the target of the shaming.
Vixess
What does any of that have to do with the glass?
Higure
Seems to me that the artist also focuses on a corporate culture that encourages employees to be careless with their packages.
youbetchamom
I can think of better ways to make "art".
BlackBabyJeebus
Fantastic. Now, if you actually feel driven to make art, you should start using these better ways and get to making some art. If your ways truly are better, then perhaps someday you will be as successful as Walead Beshty.
youbetchamom
Why do you think that's art?
BlackBabyJeebus
"Art" isn't some magical elevated status. If you create something with artistic intent, as this was, then it is art. The term "art" does not imply any specific value of any type. Art then becomes SUCCESSFUL art if it elicits emotional response, or is purchased by an entity, or gains popularity, or has historical significance. It cannot be argued that this art has accomplished the first three.
MarioBoon
No. You really can't.
youbetchamom
Seriously? There are no other ways to make art? Do you think that's art?
MarioBoon
I'm saying that you specifically can't make art. Because if you could, you would. All the people who say things like "my ... can make better art" never follow through with it. And yes, this is art, because an artist decided it is and presented it in an art context. That's all it takes to make art. People like you (not specifically you now) can't understand that craft is not the only deciding factor what makes art.
youbetchamom
That's bold of you to say I can't make art. I can, and I do. I just don't think that something like that is art. An experiment, maybe. Not art.
MarioBoon
And yet it is art because of the reasons I stated, which are the accepted criteria in the art world.
MarioBoon
Craft being skill, i.e. knowing how to paint, sculpt...