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JamesBluntThatSmartassCunt
You know also because American colonists weren’t treated like the British citizens they thought they were
ThreeLeftsMakeARight
I feel like the British didn’t give a shit about protecting colonists during the 7 years war. They were protecting trade assets.
Drefantor
Part of me wishes that the french had more influence after, and USA just ended up speaking french as a major language
Solkanarmy
it's always been about the money for the US, even right from the start
Solkanarmy
you can downvote all you want but you can't deny the truth
Akesgeroth
To protect you from the french, who you shot at first for no good reason and who you outnumbered 30 to 1.
bsmithwins
Let’s not leave out the anti-slavery shift that was going on in Britain at the time too
EaNasirIsABastard
People died in the US revolutionary war giving their lives to stop the US having to pay so much for a military.
TohmaytohTohmahtoh
Oh, the irony...
JoeyLock
Angry Americans in the comments.
nopo
The version I remember included the step "can we have some seats in Parliament?" "No." before revolution.
yeahIbreedtreelizards
*Raise taxes, AND not give you any say/representation.
MechaNinja
Pretty sure it was all about tea and someone wanting to be their own oligarchs.
Rrrrgrr
You could add the British didn't want the war but the George Washington kinda started without them.
khtad
I look at what Britain did to Ireland through basically their entire history and can't come out with any reason against revolution.
ICameHeretoBrowseMemesButICommentwithGifs
ThisIsSteel
Beyond representation & taxes, there were many factors. The British navy would kidnap colonists to join the navy (aka impressement). (1/?)
ThisIsSteel
(2/?) That of course led to riots. As someone else mentioned, it also allowed colonists to disregard treaties made with Native Americans.
ThisIsSteel
(3/3) Anericans are familiar with the other common reasons that are listed in the grade school history books.
isitmyturn
Well, the colonists were British subjects; and the Royal Navy were doing the same thing in the UK.
Masonrig
No? That's literally why there was debt, they had to pay the Germans they hired to fight because conscription was illegal in the UK by then.
isitmyturn
Yes. Conscription into the Army was unpopular and not much pursued; but impressment into the Navy was used for centuries until 1814.
Masonrig
Which, when they turned around and did it in the colonies, it was another cause for discontent.
ImHereToAssNamesAndTakeKicks
Conscription was ceased definitely, but they were still using press gangs in the UK until after the Napoleonic wars at least.
invaderjay87
*Shrugs in Native American*
navagon
"Freedom!" screamed the slave owners.
eightyearplan
be sure to read the fine print next time a bunch of white guys dressed as natives throw tea.. to start a civil war 'against tyranny'.
PicassoCT
"frrreeeedom" screamed the genocidal religous nut house colony
SarcasticComment
"Genius" screamed the public towards the founding fathers whose system resulted in civil war.
ThisIsSteel
To be fair, it was probably always going to lead to it. The southern colonies only agreed to unite if slavery was kept legal.
SarcasticComment
Every other slave owning new world colony avoided civil war and undid slavery without it. This speaks volumes about the system they created.
ThisIsSteel
Oh, agreed. By no means am I justifying slavery or south declaring war. Generational slavery in the US made a monstrous system even worse.
PicassoCT
The southern colonies were a attempt to copy the failed colonial racist caste culture of South America. I guess the xerox-stagnation of..
PicassoCT
Medieval europe was visible even back then. Why build a air propeller if you can buy a guy for that.. Etc
Toxi
Oh please. What would you do with it if you had kept it?
RayAnselmo
Britain, still bent over losing 240 years ago, lol.
Idsertian
You think too highly of yourselves. We really don't give a shit.
RayAnselmo
Yeah surrrre. And for that help with the Hun in the '40s, you're welcome.
Idsertian
Our debt is paid, regarding the Jerries, so...
Quessir
They didn't pay the French, either.
player112354
If I enter through the front door to network, they don’t understand. If I enter through the back door for an interview, I am too expensive.
player112354
Moral of the story, I am the tax man.
ProblemWithSientientSnails
You are forgetting the main reason why the British fought the French. The British were still recovering from the speculation bubble of
ProblemWithSientientSnails
The South Sea company of 1720. Long story short, this company stock was valued more then the entire GDP of England. It took until the
ProblemWithSientientSnails
1980's to pay off this debt. The crown, and most of Parliament was personally involved in this Ponzi scheme.
danielsan1977
Missing a pane: USA: "Will we have equal representation in government?" England: "No." USA: "REVOLUTION!!!!!!"
Idsertian
Missing several, very large, long panes about how a Scotsman actually kicked all this off by being a TERRIBLE businessman, and how, 1/2
Idsertian
ultimately, the revolution was *actually* kicked off by a bunch of traders who stood to lose out from the new taxes. 2/2
GNious
At least USA made sure all her citizens have equal representation now
xxGreenShirTxx
Imagine how great America could’ve been. A greggs on every corner and roundabouts :,)
TohmaytohTohmahtoh
Raygirl
That is the response of a man who's never enjoyed a veggie sausage roll from Greggs.
TheNihilistsParadoxicalWashingMachine
This. Guaranteed to cheer up one of my friends - give her a Greggs veggie sausage roll.
Raygirl
They are genuinely that good. I was shocked and impressed.
TohmaytohTohmahtoh
I have, and I like them! I just don't see Greggs going over well in the States.
TohmaytohTohmahtoh
And I have seen the horror of American "Rotaries". Too few and far between to be useful, and too confusing to American drivers...
Raygirl
Oh no I agree 100% on the roundabout thing. I've seen the crazy stuff people in the UK do on them.
Bawdiepie
The revolution was more about being able to break treaties with natives and steal their land than representation.
Beardedgeek72
Well that, and England was already steering towards outlawing slavery in all colonies.
ThisIsSteel
Not wrong though. There were several factors but this was one of them.
JaBoiChives
Gotta say, even with the current messed up state of the us, I don’t understand the movement to make the colonists and founding fathers /2
JaBoiChives
Look like the bad guys. There was a lot of acting on self interest on both sides, but the king at the time was basically extorting coloni /?
bippityboppitybuttsex
I think it might be the slavery.... and the rape of those slaves.
PballQhead
No defense of the US, but this was about the time the EIC took outright ownership of India; they weren't on much of a different level of bad
JaBoiChives
So yeah, that’s an atrocity. But that one wasn’t exclusive to the US, as much as everyone likes to use the US as the slavery poster /
bippityboppitybuttsex
I am an American, I am allowed to care that we hold these men up as demi-Gods while they did, in fact, commit atrocities...
bippityboppitybuttsex
... and I am not talking about stuff that was socially acceptable in 1780, raping your slaves wasn't acceptable then either.
JaBoiChives
Yeah of course. I think pretty obviously. We’re trying to talk the debate of revolution being justified. Not the actions of shitty people
JaBoiChives
Child, that shit was rampant worldwide. Even in Africa. This discussion is about how justified the revolution itself was, even if people /
JaBoiChives
We’re shitty all around, ending any shittyness is good. And whether the rev. Was ending shiftiness is the debate
JaBoiChives
And pulling a Jeff Bezos move with east India trading co and taxes/tariffs. Plus, do you y’all hate your own country so bad that instead /?
JaBoiChives
Of trying to fix it you demonize everything about it? Just cuz some shit sucks doesn’t mean everyone involved sucks.
copperdomebodhi
Sure. Nobody was perfect, everyone was self-interested. Movement is to tell the whole story, not show the FF's as holy men any more.
JaBoiChives
That makes sense to me, maybe it’s all the negative focus that is rubbing me the wrong way.
RyanMcFlyin
No taxation without representation. Fight us.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
"You can now vote. Unfortunately your voting districts are all fucked up, and 600 people in England just outvoted everyone."
LaddingtonBear1
Just like Guam, DC, American Samoa, Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico, & Virgin Islands? Land of the free and the home of the ironic...
TheAngryMarineBiologist
Don't forget anyone with a felony
beardedheathen
We are as represented now as we were then.
ColoniaCroisant
Possibly less so even!
Zaranthan
By old rich white men who don't care/would prefer if we starve to death?
Technotoad64
Precisely! Except most of them don't wear wigs anymore.
exlurker42
Yup. And the French were serious bros thereafter, too. We left them for their worst enemy lol.
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Technotoad64
Enemy of my enemy yadda yadda
SecondToNine
Looks like the French dodged a bullet tbh
GranddaddyGundam
"We signed a treaty with a king whos head is now in a basket, would you like to take it out and ask it?"
sothisishowashitpostfeelslike
GranddaddyGundam
"Uh, do whatever you want , I'm super dead."
RhymingEverything
And then they burned DC because we wouldn't stop trading with Napoleon's France.
SamuthNBS
Okay Russia, sure. You invaded Canada but it was their fault for defending themselves too hard?
professionalrookie790
*Because you invaded BNA, burned down York and fired on the parley party who went to negotiate in DC. War of 1812 is little more complicated
LordNergal
Yeah, we were the assholes in that one, not the Canadians.
FuzzyX
Let us recall that the British burned DC in revenge but still on appeal did not burn the Library of Congress when they could have.
Strangeboke
I mean we've been more or less allies with them ever since?
lilbrother
Not really. Look up the Quasi-War. Also it wasn't long before the French govt went though some...changes.
LongoloidFartExplosion
Freedom fries much?
exlurker42
Even as a kid in bumfuck texas that was the cringey thing a couple radio hosts known for crazy and one weirdo in town actually said lol
exlurker42
Not as much right after the revolution. For example the Louisiana purchase and French action that led, ultimately, to Texas joining both 1/2
exlurker42
2/2 took place in the gap between the revolution and the war of 1812. We didn't really cozy back up to the British for a few decades.
IAmLookingForSomeoneToShareInAnAdventure
Not even a decade after the revolutionary war France was at war with Britain and asked America for help and America said "nah"
hisokafgl5
Bonjour
YouWonTheGam3
Hon hon
RandAIFlagg
Omelette du fromage
hisokafgl5
RandAIFlagg
This is aumazing
NorrinxRadd
Ah, what a fine day for science.
MisterBrahanovich
frigidmagi2
It is. See prior to the war, the colonies paid taxes to the UK. They did so through taxes levied by the colonial assemblies 1
HypoMix
well if you want the full version: it starts with Augustus Caesar proclaiming himself the 1st emperor in 31BC in which he... 1 / 79,149,987
JaBoiChives
Yeah. The point of it isn’t taxation to pay for expenses, it’s that colonists participated heavily in the war, and we’re not given a voice/2
JaBoiChives
In govt where others were. There was lots of self interest around on both sides. But I’d be pissed if I got lied to to go over seas/3
JaBoiChives
Then told my settlement was like a war zone, conscripted to fight, then told I have to pay extra taxes even though my interests don’t get/4
JaBoiChives
Represented in the govt. Someone raised the point of if the us had raised taxes in Hawaii after Pearl Harbor
Bystandr
Hey just ignore the press gangs, asset seizures, land grabs and violation of native treaties made with locals - nothing else was at play.
Bystandr
*jedi mind wave*
NoNameFred
It overlooks the Merchants who incited revolution because some import-taxes getting LOWERED made smuggling less profitable for them.
WrongReference
Malcolm Gladwell has a great podcast about how the Revolution wasn’t about freedom, it was about smugglers’ profits
Perkunas687
Yeah, a lot of my fellow Americans don't know that the British *lowered* taxes, but enforced collecting them, vs the higher taxes and 1/
Perkunas687
weak enforcement that allowed skimming and smuggling. British Parliament must've been mighty confused at the response. 2/2
DrKriegersClone
Plus the plantation owners who wanted the excuse of the banks they'd borrowed from now being in an 'enemy country' to welch on their loans.
DrKriegersClone
2/ And a lot of people gained lands by dispossessing and expelling the UEL's who wanted no part of the rebellion.
Technotoad64
A simplification, but an accurate one.
thebluegolem
Except that is exactly what happened. And what almost blew the nascent USA up when states didn't want to pay for the revolution.
Simrik
I wonder what would happen if America had stayed in union with great brittain and Europe.
LychFinderGeneral
I feel like a certain amount of "representation" might be missing from this take...
RamAssScratcher
Yeah tbh while it may have been a good slogan I have doubts it was particularly important if they just didn't want taxes on basic goods.
LychFinderGeneral
Well, they didn't want taxes on anything if they didn't have any representation in the government. And they didn't have any representation.
DKB13
I mean that's true, but we're talking about landed gentry, as opposed to the common man, the phrase has a very different meaning these days
only90skidswillgetthis
Yeah but anything in history can be correctly called an oversimplification, and it implies I know a lot more without me having to say
Lynchmyliege
Accuracy and Precision are not the same thing. Your point I'd valid but it does not contradict the original comment.
or0b0ur0s
Not by much. No common colonists wanted to leave England, because their lives were relatively good. The ultra-rich of the Colonies >
or0b0ur0s
used propaganda to whip up anti-English sentiment & convince everyone else to bleed & die for their lower taxes.
Ratufa
And yet it isn’t.
SecondToNine
It's literally an 8 panel meme, I think it qualifies as a simplification
Ratufa
This is shocking news. Memes simplify? I cannot believe this!
WorkerLurker
Look up rum smugglers contribution to the American revolution.
virgil592
This is exactly what happened. Although the rest of the scene is also relevant with the Stamp Act, the Sugar Act and eventually the Tea Act.
InquisitorMoloko
Don’t forget the role of the Navigation Acts!
EmperorCartagia
Except it's really not. This depicts the UK consulting the Colonies. They didn't. Taxation without representation was the problem.
NoNameFred
The Colonial Governors were consulted. Might not have been as much representation as the colonists wanted, but it certainly wasn't none.
SarcasticComment
Ironically even with thr Tea Act. Prices were at an all time low due to glut. Displaced Dutch tea smugglers lead the Boston Tea Party.
SarcasticComment
All of the goods destroyed were paid for by colonists. They were upset they were cut out of the market and turned on their neighbors.
Lyconous
Don't forget the cycle of debt with british merchants
LupusLilium
I thought it was a combination of 7 Years War and the gigantic credit collapse? That collapse was -massive- and far reaching.
armagetz
But who cares about actual scholarship when you that make a meme that thumbs it’s nose at the US?
LupusLilium
Actually learning about that credit collapse was pretty shocking. Because I remember teachers/books telling us it was the 'evil British' who
LupusLilium
suddenly raised taxes. Yet apparently it seems like tea could have been potentially cheaper due to cutting out the middleman in sales.
LupusLilium
Further shockingly, America owes its existence to one banker who had a hate-boner for EIC.
Bystandr
Uhh,, press gangs, asset seizure, land grabs (many estates and land endowments bestowed), ignoring native treaties the colonists made might
Bystandr
have had some influence on the colonists. On the British side, incentive to tax the colonies was also a product of the slide on the British
Bystandr
credit collapse which was only partly borne out of the 7 years war. The tax increases were the spark that ignited a blaze of revolution.
NoNameFred
The tax increases were passed 5 years before the revolution started, to little-to-no comment. The later tax CUTS triggered the revolution.
Questionablysensible
Smugglers were mad that their business model would be impacted. Tea smugglers mostly
Bystandr
There were plenty of things for the colonists to be unsatisfied about besides taxation RE: British rule.
ICollectReactionGifs
imagine the federal goverment taxing hawaii more after pearl harbor tho, thats kinda fucky
exlurker42
We weren't the only ones to see tax increases.
Smidge204
Them imagine that a company in which the President is a major stakeholder gets a huge tax cut making local businesses unable to compete...
ICollectReactionGifs
wait whats this one about
sunyudai
As smidge said - too many people don't realize that the Boston Tea Party was a protest against tax-free tea, not a protest against taxes.
Smidge204
The Boston Tea Party was a reaction to the Tea Act of 1773 that cut taxes for the East India Co. which the King was a major investor in
LordNergal
Also... The entire issue of trying to get the colonies to pay for the war is because GEORGE WASHINGTON FUCKING STARTED IT. The British 1/
NoNameFred
They made legal tea cheaper (while also replacing corrupt customs officials) to make smuggling unprofitable. The smugglers objected to that.
henryvk
Tbf the whole British economy sort of depended on the East India Company.