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Banjooie
The concern is that the GOP tends to be very anti-abortion, anti-contraceptive...
SonOfTheWolfKing
I appreciate the adult discussion that took place. +1 to each thing
sparrowsgirl
Thank you for rewarding good behavior.
MaruchanIsVeryYummyGuys
Thank you for rewarding rewarding good behavior
VodkaReindeer
Mmm. How is this comment second best?
Pen15ClubFounder
jitneyk
Roe v Wade, birth control coverage, pregnancy not being considered a "pre-existing" condition are the big ones.
mybunsarestale
I've a friend who wont quit cause she got pregnant while working under their insurance. If she got a new job, she'd be paying out of pocket>
mybunsarestale
which is roughly $20k in the US if not more. She's basically trapped in a job she doesn't want and could do better than because insurance.
jitneyk
Yep. B4 the ACA, if you got preggo & needed ins you were F'd unless you had work/spouse cov.
twfeline
And that's just the start!
ManOfIce
Wtf does roe v wade have to do with any of that? No one is going to repeal that.
TamponShotgun
Trump wants to repeal it: http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/19/trump-ill-appoint-supreme-court-justices-to-overturn-roe-v-wade-abortion-case.html
msu14hockey
Expect that repealing Roe Vs Wade is a goal of the Republican party, so it's understandable that women might worry about it.
iggyface
The issue of health insurance and 'preexisting conditions' is a bigger societal problem. In fact all of that is related.
Thickfr3akness
lolwit, pregnancy isn't a pre-existing condition. Asthma, Cancer, MS, Cystic fibrosis, those are. But Pregnancy? No.
jitneyk
Google is your friend.
SealandIsARealCountry
before the ACA it was considered a PEC so that companies wouldn't have to pay for it.
Cere4l
so what you need, is for non-PEC to just fall under insurance as it should be
JustABonelessAlien
If birth control is covered, condoms should be covered.
HodorIsADJ
Wait, so women are always pregnant?
jitneyk
No, prior to the ACA ins co's had escape clauses (loop hole) so they wouldn't have to cover it. Applies mostly to individual coverage.
Khaotix11
Those aren't "rights" though. They're commodities. Not sure what you mean by the pregnancy thing though.
jitneyk
https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/maternity-insurance-coverage
otiumCatulli
Depends if you think access to affordable healthcare is a right or not, in my country it is.
Khaotix11
Here in Canada it is. But it's socialized so it better be. However, in America it's a commodity, thus the market decides. /1
Khaotix11
Which is arguably a better system, if you allow and incentivize competition. /2
otiumCatulli
I'd argue it's not better to have competitive. Brands differentiate & at macro level always fall into 2 categories: cheap but crap, 1/2
jitneyk
Or just google "is pregnancy a pre-existing condition." TMYK
iwearlittlesocks
In a first world country that controls most of the world's wealth, it should be a right to be covered
TheNewOriginals
But why does everyone else have to fund a woman's choice to kill a baby? We're confused.
jitneyk
The "right" to have an abortion doesn't mean others pay. Just like your "right" to own a gun doesn't mean peeps are buying it for you. Gj
TheNewOriginals
Except PP, which helps women have abortions, is federally funded. Guns are not paid for with tax dollars.
jitneyk
Actually there's a fee for abortion and health services at PP. They use a sliding scale but then again, so do other regular doctors.
EggMarbles
Short answer: They don't. I'm betting you already know that though and are attempting to troll
theleftmostpotato
Ask Ron, he was there
gingerladybug
Research and become educated on the subject - do not be ashamed. We must stand together https://www.womensmarch.com/mission/
BabyGroot
The Women's March happened everywhere... In the west. I haven't seen footage from Women's marches in Bangladesh or Kenya. 1/2
BabyGroot
Why do you think that is the case? 2/2
gingerladybug
It could be that there isn't support for them or it's unsafe. Or it could be they just didn't make the news.
BabyGroot
Or could it be that the Women's March don't care about the issues affecting women in the developing world?
gingerladybug
Thank you so much, Smart And Benevolent Man, for explaining to us foolish women what our priorities should be.
epoke
The main one is legislated 100% control of your own body. Otherwise it's the lack of enforcement of guaranteed rights relative to context.
pyr666
"The main one is legislated 100% control of your own body" selective service. it's tied to a host of federal benefits
StoneofThor
Is this ignorance suppose to make you look cool?
IreallyMGur
Easy FP
CaptainPickleFarts
Wouldn't Andy learn that in his women's studies class?
Heyyythatsprettygood
One of the only good comments here, +1
kbmkbm
Reproductive justice, ya silly ding dong.
ThatAssholeOverThere
Abortion, many rape cases being ignored, and the fact that Donald "grab em by the pussy" Trump is the president now
somethingdifferentandoriginal
Then educate yourself.
Tranchec
Chris pratt is a beautiful woman
YourThoughtsOnTransgenderIssuesAreReallyReallyImportantToMe
I'm a man, but I volunteer with Planned Parenthood and I'd be happy to give you a list.
anotherdickat
Please, give us all that list so we can all beat republitards over the head with it whenever the post fake questions like this one.
calamitythrives
Thank you for what you do. It means a lot.
DizzyNosferatu
I imagine T.R.A.P. laws, which are legislated and imposed in bad and dishonest faith, are high on that list.
YourThoughtsOnTransgenderIssuesAreReallyReallyImportantToMe
Those are vicious and awful, but really discriminatory against doctors rather than women specifically.
ohherroeeyore
Thank you for doing what you do!
Pawnderlust
There are laws being passed at the state level that would severely limit your choices if you get pregnant. It's just the start.
MichaeIScott
The fight needs to be fought at the state level, where the problem may exist. People forget that the president has little say in this stuff
Misora
The protections we have though were given at a federal level by the supreme court. Trump is going to appoint at minimum one SC Justice.
castlemacaw
If our protests can help influence the selection of a Supreme Court justice, it will all have been worthwhile.
Pawnderlust
Trump and (especially) Pence are pro-life and if the fight came up on a federal level they would jump at a chance to repeal or change law
IllyriaBlueHairedGoddess
I have a problem with the term "pro-life." They are pro-birth, they have no plan on how help the parent (s) or child after birth.
Pawnderlust
I agree
stabbedintheface
You defend something you have. It's OK to be proactive about it when someone threatens that.
playstation360
Why are some people against MRAs then?
BabyGroot
So why don't we see pro-democracy marches happening in democratic nations.
stabbedintheface
Check yesterday's news.... The woman's march was about much more than "women"
ohherroeeyore
Reproductive rights. Defunding of Planned Parenthood. Criminalizing abortion.
TheNewOriginals
We shouldn't criminalize a person killing another person? I'm confused.
JustABonelessAlien
PP isn't a government agency so it shouldn't receive government funding.
SpaceOrks
See, I thought reproductive rights included a right to choose abortion or not...
SweetsAndWine
Murica... Greatest country in the world, right? I live in small European country and woman are paid equally, abortions are not illegal
nemoe
Don't forget about income inequality, over sexualizing of women
Metronomicon
*Democrat talking points.
twfeline
And that's just the start!
playstation360
Those are practically the same thing.
TheNewOriginals
Soooo it was a pro-abortion march? We're all pretty confused about the whole thing...
SomewhatOxygenated
It was just a general outing of frustration. Sure, abortion rights might have played a role but mostly women were just fed up with things
DoublevBomb
Isn't parental leave also super absent (or thin when present) all over the US as well? "Squeeze out a kid, back to work!"
hippyfrog
there's no inequality here, you're being shafted as a parent, not a woman. we have paternal leave here too, but it's shorter
LetsDeviledEggHisCar
I don't 100% disagree, but you also have to take into account the physical healing that women have to go through, so there's some inequality
hippyfrog
it's not inequality, but it should be given to mothers. if neither of us gets a car even if I don't need it but you do it's not inequality
ohherroeeyore
Yes it is. Very few are offered parental leave. Most go unpaid.
DoublevBomb
I understand that there are people that defend that as being fair somehow...I just don't understand why they exist in the first place.
beeratius
This is a weird thing to see for me, we have both maternal and paternal leave in Slovenia and most of Europe
DoublevBomb
Ontario here, my friends that are now spawning in their early 30's tend to split the leave between them. Dads gotta' get dadding and all.
dirtydust
In my experience most jobs that don't generally don't offer paid leave of any sort. I've seen it mostly with lower wage jobs. Makes it tough
DoublevBomb
I can imagine. Even here, with a decent leave system in place, the struggle begins anew when the topic shifts to daycare. Or so I hear.
ScaryFairy
As a mom i was going to say this! I felt equal to men utill i got knocked up.
hadoeken
Can't show their tits in public when guys can
StripTheFleshSaltTheWound
You can in new york.
Plamf
Men stand behind women 200% on this one
ExtraSpicycherries
Men were technically the ones that made being topless in public as a woman illegal.
eskimowins
Only 54% of women are actually for de-criminalising abortion though. Thoughts? (I'm pro-choice fwiw)
pirate89RAWR
That's quite off from stats I've seen. Source?
eskimowins
http://www.gallup.com/poll/183434/americans-choose-pro-choice-first-time-seven-years.aspx
CheshirePhoenix
Your source doesn't support your conclusion. A valid conclusion would be: "of all people who identify as pro-choice, 54% of them are women."
eskimowins
This is incorrect, as can be seen: http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/fhf2hyzfau6p8n65nent4q.png
CheshirePhoenix
Not just "only 54% of (all) women are pro-choice". Also, abortion was decriminalized back in the 70s and has stayed legal since then.
d0gpants
I'm not sure about criminalisation, but probably not tax-payer funded
srawr42
It already isn't tax payer funded. These laws just create more barriers.
srawr42
http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/05/429641062/fact-check-how-does-planned-parenthood-spend-that-government-money
d0gpants
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood#Funding
srawr42
http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/05/429641062/fact-check-how-does-planned-parenthood-spend-that-government-money
Wombatish
"By law, federal funding cannot be allocated for abortions (except in rare cases)" literally from that section you linked.
srawr42
Right, PP is federally funded. As in, some services like mammograms are federally funded. Abortion is not.
idoindeedhavegenitals
Did you actually read what you posted? No federal funding is allocated for abortions. I'm sorry you're bugged about birth control/mammograms
BlindGoldfish
It's not like men have these and women don't
SomewhatOxygenated
It would be easier to secure those rights for men if people stopped blocking them for women...
ohherroeeyore
It's not just abortion. Men can get condoms free. Women would have to pay if PP is defunded or insurance is taken away.
Misora
Also under reproductive rights I've know 2 women who were denied surgical sterilization (one in her 30s with 3 kids) on the grounds 1/2
ohherroeeyore
Yes! I actually discussed this with my dr. She said I would have a hard time finding a dr that would do it. I'm 28.
Misora
that a future husband might want additional children. That's not illegal but it's definitely a problem if a hypothetical partner gets a say.
stoploggingmeoutImgurIfuckingswear
Whoa what?! Where is this? I've never heard of such a thing.
Misora
One lived in Tx (eventually got it based on her health issues), the other IN and talked someone into an IUD with the hope of snip later.
BygoneMocha
Why do they need to talk someone into an IUD? Want another baby, take it out. It's not fucking rocket science.
idoindeedhavegenitals
Yeah, holy shit I've never heard of that but that's totally fucked
JonesBaby
Didn't realize murder was a right? Am I missing something?
ZiggyStardust80085
Yeah...half your brain
andergriff
what do you mean?
ohherroeeyore
No one, esp govt should have the right to tell a woman what to do with her body.
andergriff
how does that relate to what you said about murder being a right?
ohherroeeyore
Meaning they have no right to tell me I can't have an abortion.
ohherroeeyore
They are implying abortion is murder. Abortion should be a right.
ohherroeeyore
I didn't know telling me what I can and can't do with my body was a right. Am I missing something?
DrooleKupp
Do whatever you want with your body. Just don't expect everyone else to finance it.
Wombatish
Unless you live in a state with Medicaid abortion coverage (and even that is medically neccessary only, not elective), you aren't. *c*
Wombatish
https://www.guttmacher.org/image/2016/how-do-women-pay-abortions
sorathecrow
If you doing something with your body impacts a life you had a part in creating, darn straight you don't have that right.
TGWeaver
You're wrong. They do have that right.
ohherroeeyore
It's not the governments place. Period.
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jackharvest
Should be missing a period this far down.
sorathecrow
If you believe that life begins at conception, the kid's life should be protected. You don't have the right to murder a life you created
WillYouDoTheFandango
So rob women of their ability to control their own body? Seems like losing rights to me.
DaedaIus
I think the idea is to make it illegal for them to kill babies.
wow2389
Until suicide and all drugs are legal, no one controls their own body.
skybeater
Sure, but that wasn't Zane's point I think. But what you are saying is fair.
MrRavellon
No actually. Make them pay for correction of their mistakes. If you can't afford it - don't make those mistakes in the first place./
datfandomdoe
Many times people have to abort a wanted pregnancy due to danger to the mother or some sort of fetal lethality problem.
MrRavellon
/Pregnancy doesn't happen by chance. You can't just randomly catch it on a bus trip. You have to make a conscious decision first.
gothraki
Also, in terms of abortion, if someone isn't smart or prepared enough to have safe sex you think they'd be prepared enough to raise a child?
MrRavellon
Doesn't matter. If you're adult you have to take responsibility for ALL of your actions no matter how prepared you are.
Listeningtokpop
Rape never happens, right? If she WAS raped, body has ways of shutting down if I remember correctly...
MrRavellon
Yeah, and there are ways to interrupt a pregnancy within the first couple of weeks without actual surgery. And in that case it will fall/
gothraki
Birth control access is part of the problem. If you can't afford health care you can't get prescribed bc, and the only place I've seen give-
gothraki
- out free condoms is planned parenthood, which is on the edge of getting shut down. So basically if you're poor and can't afford condoms-
Cac2008
Devils advocate: they have plenty rights over another body if they choose abortion, as that is a separate life. If a pregnant woman is (1)
cleverbeans
No the woman has the right to remove the other, parasitic lifeform from her body. It's inability to survive on it's own kills it.
Cac2008
(2) murdered is it not double homicide? Is it right to destroy another life just to avoid pain and stretch marks?
WillYouDoTheFandango
A fetus is not considered a living human being until it has been born alive. Therefore, if a defendant kills a (1)
Cac2008
So something which moves, feeds, excretes, responds to stimulus et al isn't considered alive? Who passed that law?!
WillYouDoTheFandango
(2) pregnant lady he can only be charged with one count of murder for killing the mother
nanyatenyaa
There have been cases where mom is basically carrying a still born baby and have died as a result of not having an abortion.
Cac2008
And I have no problem with that. I have no problem with 99% of abortions that are medically necessary. What I dislike is the casual (1)
Cac2008
(2) attitude with which people regard this new human life. Yes it's sacrifice must sometime be necessary but we should never be blasé .
nanyatenyaa
I think what flies over most people's head is the average women doesn't want an abortion, it's a distressing thing to go through.
nanyatenyaa
They want the right to have it availability to them as an option. It's not like women are out there intentionally harming babies.
IDGAFaboutinternetpointsanymoresoicandisagreewithimgurnow
More devil's advocate because internet points have no real value and the what if the baby is still born already is a dumb argument. 1/?
IDGAFaboutinternetpointsanymoresoicandisagreewithimgurnow
According to CNN in 2011 0.018% of babies r still born, and most of those are probably unexpected. Saying we should base policy on less 2/3
dictatorchang
They can control their body to not do the things that get them in the situation in the first place, so no, make better decisions 1/
dictatorchang
That prevent them from getting into that particular predicament in the first place before getting into that situation and then saying 2/
dictatorchang
"whoops I made a mistake and did this thing knowing full well it could lead to this and now I need someone to take care of it for me" but 3/
dictatorchang
It's still my decision and my body age my rights even though I threw them out the window to do this thing in the first place
Listeningtokpop
I'm so glad that rape no longer exists. That's great! Wasn't it proven that if it was a legitimate, the body would shut it all down right?
AlkeneThiol
You're welcome to remain a virgin. The rest of us will acknowledge that sexuality is an important part of being human.
Cac2008
As is pregnancy from said sex. It is the natural order. One leads to the other.
Skywatcher16
if you wanna deal with never having sex fine. you dont get to tell others they cant. thats the point. its not your business.
skybeater
Oh fuck off, natural order my ass. Our natural order is to die at 20 from disease, but we don't really do that anymore do we?
Trikk
Reproductive rights aren't equal rights. Men have no reproductive rights in the US. You get a chick preggers, you pay her for 18 years.
SomewhatOxygenated
The whole way child support is arranged right now is stupid, but I doubt it'd be easy to push through a 'commy law' like state child support
ChristYarmolyu
Bc you have the choice to leave at anytime and you can. She will be stuck prego and will have to take care of a human by herself.
ChristYarmolyu
Which happens ALOT!
danidanig
Or y'all share custody and no body pays
Trikk
That's entirely up to the mother to decide. Courts rule in their favor usually and your rights aren't as valuable as theirs.
cleverbeans
No, it's up to both parents. Most men just choose to give up custody for money rather than fight for it. The bias in the courts is a myth.
Dacijo
Although they should be, equality never means real equality if women don't get the better side of it.
Trikk
I don't really care about why it is like that, I just want people to shut up about wanting things "equal" when they really don't.
DennisReynolds215
Dude. That's a kid that's already born, so it has child rights. It's not still in your ballsack, which would be your reproductive rights. K?
MrRavellon
Yeah, but it is the woman who decides if the child will be born or not. Man has no say. Even if he was against it from the start. If she/
SomewhatOxygenated
This whole mess would be irrelevant if we just got rid of the stupid rule that the parrents pay child support (1)
MrRavellon
/poked a hole in the condom with a pin and lied about being on a pill the man still has to pay child support, no chance of escape at all.
Listeningtokpop
(1)Well didn't he know she could've gotten pregnant? Why not pay for the kid he made, the one who had no choice? That kids deserves money.
Listeningtokpop
(5) responsibility. Women should too. I don't care if women have an abortion or not. It's none of my concern. I'm not their doctor.
Listeningtokpop
(4) say in whether or not they provide for the kid. If they want nothing to do with it, fine. Sign off all rights to the kid and sure. No
Listeningtokpop
(3) Pro-choice is not asking for everyone to have an abortion. But the OPTION to have one is AVAILABLE for all. I 100% support men having a
Listeningtokpop
(2) That's the logic used for women with abortion- you should've known you'd get pregnant. What do you think happens? Not the kid's fault.
SomewhatOxygenated
This whole mess would be irrelevant if we just got rid of the stupid rule that the parrents pay child support (1)
SomewhatOxygenated
It's a regressive tax that punishes poor people for having kids, supports the prison industry, robs fathers of their freedom (2)
MrRavellon
It's a good thing when it is applied equally across the board and is based on current income. Right now it sucks because it's skewered.
AnnWiddecombe
I would assume its mostly to do with threats to defund planned parenthood and the POTUS admitting to sexual assault.
Alistairetheblu
also declaring an intent to "revisit Roe vs Wade" might have something to do with it
GrizzlyAdamsDidHaveABeard
"...they let you do it..."
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KokoMotion
"letting you do it" is not consent....
MemeMyselfnI
Wait. When did Clinton admit he was a rapist?
JohnnyVarlow
You're clueless aren't you
MemeMyselfnI
Must be cause I don't watch "fake news" sites like CNN or MSNBC.Missed my daily dose of lies n propaganda.
segfaultytowers
I too need an old white guy to be screaming into my ears to understand the information, its the only way really
BlumpkinPie69
Homeboy here loves him some Breitbart and Drudge Report so he can get "alternative facts"
mgmetal13
This something that Trump said!! Wow you people are brainwashed.
chesirecats
People like you make me genuinely scared about the future of humanity.
MemeMyselfnI
Ppl who can't tell the difference between hyperbole (look it up) n assault frighten me
gamblingpoet
What do you watch? And the video is quite clear. He said he likes to grab woman by the pussy. Even joking around, how can you condone that?
playstation360
It's all in good fun. What's the problem?
MemeMyselfnI
Don't condone it. It's tacky n nothing more. Not assault, not rape, nothing like what y'all tried to pretend it was.
MemeMyselfnI
So when u say, "I blew it up," or "I'll kill him" you should be jailed destruction or conspiracy to murder w no actual damage?
DistanceGirl
Nothing's happened yet. It was mostly about awareness and unity. Standing together and fighting against legislation that would make us less.
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vancerefrigerator
That's like saying "I haven't gotten in a car accident yet so there's no need to ever service my brakes."
kenlee3377
No, its more like saying "my boyfriend may cheat it on me, so ill do his best friend first so i dont get hurt"
wrekemrobbie
what legislation are you talking about?
rutslut
Are you familiar with Mike Pence and his stance with women's reproductive rights in Indiana while governer? Hes now our Vice President.
wrekemrobbie
Not everyone is from the US :). That's kind of fucked up unless there is an economic argument for it.
IreallyMGur
This seems to be the easy way to get to FP recently
CoolKidzSayWhat
Which is why Madonna kept saying revolution
filthbucketsfullofpuke
"Nothings happened" Okay thank you. Thats all I need know regarding this Woman's march. Makes complete sense now.
TheMightyMoggle
So we should just sit around until it's too late to do anything? Senate already voted insurance companies don't have to cover birth control
kenlee3377
What is all this talk? If a guy wants to have sex, he will buy condoms as birth control. Some women.... provide birth control!!!! Uhhh why?
TheMightyMoggle
Birth control is not just used to prevent pregnancy. I use it to treat a hormone condition. If I'm paying for insurance it should be covered
kenlee3377
Thats the problem... its the healthcare insurance thats the issue. Women arent singled out. Healthcare is a joke nowadays, all im saying.
TheNewOriginals
What legislation? Were there any specifics to this stupid protest?
BygoneMocha
Proposed legislation, not passed, that restricts sexual autonomy of women specifically. This wasn't a protest so much as an awareness thing.
TheNewOriginals
Still confused. We're calling abortion "sexual autonomy" now? Is that just more PC than "taking care of it"?
BygoneMocha
No. Autonomy = ability to have sex when you want, with who you want. Proposed legislation targets this ability.
TheNewOriginals
What legislation is that, specifically? Sounds too crazy to be true.
Lubanjo
these things are going to get done fast. obama was the only roadblock left
kenlee3377
Haha
kenlee3377
What do you mean 'us'? Sounds a bit like segregation to me. Typical woman to trip BEFORE something happens. Protest just in case right?
smakcthat
There are hundreds of laws limiting access to abortion, family planning, medical care, prenatal care, etc.
sunflower37
It is us, not just women. They've already removed any mention of civil rights and lgbtq etc from the official whitehouse.gov site. Cabinet 1
sunflower37
picks are anti-environment, anti-public education, anti-any type of regulation, pro-cutting taxes to top earning folks, etc. Not Just Women.
Poodlestrike
I mean, which is better? Getting rights taken away and having to fight to get them back, or fighting to keep them?
DukeDark
Fighting who? Fighting why? Or is it just a trendy all female protest?
Poodlestrike
Well, for one, fighting the people who want to take them, in this case Republicans.
Poodlestrike
Also, the protest wasn't all female, I know a bunch of guys who participated. And what on earth do you mean by "trendy?"
MargaretTiger
For me, it's the right to live in a sexual harrassment/assault free country. Also, reproductive rights.
justvenomcake
We can't promise you the first one, but we can promise persecution to the guilty.
msu14hockey
I think the thing is, when the country elects a man who has been recorded basically admitting to sexual assault, treating women as objects,
msu14hockey
etc... It's understandable to assume that the rest of the country DOESN'T have your back when it comes to sexual assault.
BabyGroot
Rather him than a woman who has repeatedly covered up the numerous sexual assaults committed by her husband.
gingerladybug
Get your facts straight.
Crafty7630
You're obviously not from Indiana. You'll see. Mike Pence is a dick.
prelude760
Pence is powerless. A dick indeed, but powerless.
rutslut
The only thing scary about Trump not carrying out his full term, is Mike Pence stepping in.
TGWeaver
Not the only scary thing. But perhaps the worst thing.
ascat13
You weren't kidding! I just read up on a bunch of his voting patterns.. fuck that dude
mialynneb
Also in Indiana - can confirm. Saturday was not the first time I went to the capitol here to protest this schmuck.
HoneyedStars
Can confirm, Mike Pence is disgusting. If not for the possibility HE takes presidency, I'd wait for someone to off Trump or he steps down.
IacobusMarcellus
Wtf is wrong with you? Trump is a DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED official not a dictator, quit wishing for the overthrow of our government just cuz
IacobusMarcellus
Your candidate didn't win, absolutely fucking disgraceful
JGIL
Hey man sorry you're getting downvoted. Some people just don't like being reminded they didnt vote.
IacobusMarcellus
Tbh I don't care either way, the constant barrage of ppl wishing Trump's assassination is fucking terrifying
TGWeaver
Because of how the electoral college works, even nonvoters in blue states wouldn't have made a difference. Clinton already got more votes.
Fuzzgoat
From Indiana, can confirm.
SquirrellyWhirly
I can second. I moved from Indy to DC about 3 months before Pence...this isn't what I meant by "Pence Must Go" :(
robotzombies
How's the pizza in Indiana? I hear it's a little homophobic.
Fuzzgoat
I have noticed a decrease in the varieties of sausage available
Crafty7630
In Indiana, you always go corn dog to mouth, never mouth to corn dog.
flarflarf
its a pretty long list, you could look it up if you actually wanted to.
TormentedPenguin
quick pull one out of the air...
kbmkbm
No, I don't think this turd wants to actually pull up an up to date article.
eagerophiuchus
Ugh, this meme should die. "Too afraid to ask" is an odd way to brag about ignorance. We've got the web *and libraries.* Try harder. Engage.
ThatWillBuffOut
This.
TheSublimelyMagnificentJechtUsernameMarkIII
Technically they are engaging since they know people will comment with the right answer or their opinions on the matter if there is none
LimJahey
"ugh" should die too.
Door23
They're like the old people who think they need to literally ask Google a question. No one is judging your search history besides the NSA
bigredfiretruk
im not exactly sure what point you are trying to make... and at this point, im too afraid to ask
RocketsRus
Also a lot of states have a "luxury" tax on feminine hygiene products I.e tampons, pads, etc but no corresponding tax for male products.
firefecks
Also noteworthy is that women on average cost the government more money than men.. so maybe women's products are more taxed on purpose?
Mewmus
what exactly are "male" products? shaving cream and razors? golf clubs?
Mewmus
what exactly are "male" products? shaving cream and razors? golf clubs?
Treefur
Hygiene products count as a luxury pretty much across the board, be it toilet paper, soap, or tampons. This isn't a problem like you think.
kahlosa
I feel like you wouldn't say it was a luxury item if all women stopped using pads and tampons and just bled all over everything.
deniseh
Of course its a problem when women are being taxed more for hygiene products than men, while they still only make 75 cents to the dollar!1/2
JonesBaby
Too bad the wage gap is a myth.
Treefur
Are you specificallyasking men to subsidizewomen's hygienebecause it's women's hygiene? That's the ask for dropping that tax, but not others
Treefur
Also, women make 95 cents to the dollar when you control for the variables. If you want more money, get a better job.
deniseh
No. Don't try to sugarcoat it honey. There ain't no women making 95 cents. get a better job, where? why? Why not treat me like an equal?1/2
deniseh
Only US have this tax, in EU deodorants cost the same no matter gender. Just cuz its not a problem for u dont mean its not a problem for me
Trikk
This is just a blatant feminist lie often referred to as the "pink tax". Even if it was true, just buy the "male" hygiene product.
tinkerbug
Ah yes, the male tampons!
CoffeeMugCrusade
Yep lemme just buy the male tampons
Trikk
Why aren't you defending that there is a tax only on female products? Oh yes, because that's a lie you can't defend.
scootermcgruter
The saddest thing is people who don't understand that ALL the rights they have were won by a fight and can be taken away...all of them
IDGAFaboutinternetpointsanymoresoicandisagreewithimgurnow
Freedom is a fragile thing and is never more than one generation away from extinction
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cleverbeans
Yes, just like all the other rights. These are merely laws and can be rewritten.
scootermcgruter
All of them
danishjuggler21
Just.... take a look at Ohio and Indiana, and Texas. That'll be the whole country VERY soon.
lolthisismyusername
Respectfully, I just don't see that happening.
Ambitiousnobody
:(
Curiousone545
I'm an independent, but seems like most women/supporters of women, don't agree with treating women like objects "she was married, I didn't 1
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Curiousone545
To be honest.. i'm not sure if you're agreeing w/me, or upset w/me, but either way, hurray for education! (also another reason women marched
bickles
I think you should educate yourself. Read.
Curiousone545
2)care" "grabbed her by the pussy, you can do what you want", is really insulting to women, & shows the man in charge of the US, views half
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TGWeaver
Context: A recently married man bragged about trying to fuck a married woman. And then bragged about touching/kissing women without asking.
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TGWeaver
He specifically says he doesn't even ask or wait.
Curiousone545
3)the population as lesser- this is fact. Also, women fight shit like that all the time- Supervisors asking about "home" time, when she's
FuckYourMorality
I'm also independent and relatively agree with what you've commented here. But that's not fact, that's your opinion of the man and his 1/
FuckYourMorality
intention with those statements. Unless you can verify your mind-reading powers, his motivation and overall opinion of women is your opinion
SomewhatOxygenated
I don't see how that's relevant? Even if his intent was different he should've owed up to what he said and either apologized
Curiousone545
4)going to go have kids &give work back to the males, if she's on PMS if she expresses an opinion. Issues with representation in our legal
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d0gpants
I don't think business owners should have to pay for someone elses children simply because it can be made as a reason to not hire women
ThatAssholeOverThere
Doesnt seem to cause issues in the rest of the developed world
Curiousone545
5)system. right to BC, rights to abortion (choice), right to protest, and the right to fight back to an election that was sabotaged.
d0gpants
You have the right to abort a child in the US, no? I think trump only wants to make it so everyone doesn't have to pay for it.
Curiousone545
6)oh, and because of posts like this, w/women who don't know history, saying "what rights don't we have"&half the comments say "silly women"
d0gpants
You also have the right to protest (look at the womens march) but that doesn't give you the right to get violent (inauguration protests)
Standingranby
As a man, I've heard that women get shafted when it comes to having pockets.
p3pp3rs
If we all'd paid attention to a woman's job in HOME EC CLASS that wouldn't be a problem. No pocket? Sew one in. Whiners.
mikeatike
"Get shafted"
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
"Women only have 73 pockets for every man's 100!"
truflehunter
This statistic feels inflated. I'd say we only have about 45. Some pockets aren't even pockets. Just sewn on for show!
mykidsarenamedafterfictionalvigilantes
This is true. Source: I'm a woman. Who wears pants. Specifically denim. Pockets are scarce.
TechnicolorCheeseWedge
Levi's 515 bootcut have pockets. Thats the only jeans I've bought/worn for almost 10 years
Mypatronusisyourmother
Went to your profile to see if there was some sort of technicolor cheese wedge post. Ended up following you because I love your cat.
TechnicolorCheeseWedge
I let him know he has a fan, but he didnt seem to care much. Username is from one of the Mystery Science Theaters.
IDontBelieveY0u
As a man, I've heard women get shafted.
richg1960
As a man, I've heard that women get shafted when having sex. But then again so do some guys.
Boxersaredeliciouslyderpydogs
It's true. I buy men's Roots brand track pants because they have pockets that are deep enough to be useful. Plus, they are comfy af.
SoMenSayThatImIntenseOrImInsane
I would have marched for that! #notmypants
dracomageat
I've worn women's trousers. Couldn't even fit my man-hands in the pockets, let alone anything else.
AsAnAussie
As a woman, I can't fit my woman hands, let alone my phone
Baeloro
Or they could pick clothes that aren't designed without pockets. Hell, I heard some women even make clothes.
Affray
I Googled "women getting shafted via pockets" and now I have a new fetish.
NovaLokahi
YES. I NEED. REAL. PANTS POCKETS. I DON'T CARE ABOUT FAKE POCKETS FOR FASHION, WHAT IS THIS, THE 20'S?
GreenFox
The solution to this is both easy and impossible. "Stop buying dresses without pocket". Men wouldn't buy pants without pockets.
introtothevert
The dress with pockets is so rare; we are lucky to find one or two in a life time.
gingerprobs
What has the world come to when more dresses have pockets than women's jeans?
SurprisedBox
My 2 year old daughter is already disappointed that all of her "pockets" are only for decoration.
TerrableTerra
Why did yah hafta go an bring that up...
TheRealestLurker
Something something "get shafted" sex joke
ThatBlondeAsshole
Yeah same
dogstuf10
As a woman, this is the only additional right I see necessary at this point...
GalacticSquirrel
This is not lie!!!!! Lol
TormentedPenguin
and Shampoo....
BatChild9000
Solution:HOODIES ALL DAY EVERY DAY
giraffopotomus
As a man the women's pockets thing makes me livid. It's so unnecessarily asinine.
richg1960
As a man, I've heard that women get shafted when having sex. But then again so do some guys.
Aeroblade14
That's just a myth like the clitoris and global warming
Aderyna
OMG YES. Fucking what I wouldn't give to have pockets.
CalamiFux
That's, In My Opinion, The Worst Of The Bunch.
OldAccDeadLol
I recently had a conversation to my guy friend about this. He could fit his entire Samsung Galaxy S7, portable battery, headphones, 1/2
OldAccDeadLol
Couple pens, and a small book in one of his pockets and all I could fit in mine was a small iPhone SE.... 2/2
KuramasWood
So if we made pants with pockets and still fashionable we'd be rich!
TheNortherner
I agree thats shit. However pockets are not a right.
ScreamedStableBoy
So your saying, have a shaft have pockets. Don't have shaft, get shafter
MagpieHyena
I logged in just to reply to this. I could scream for hours about how fucking much I hate buying pants, Jesus Christ!!!
DeviledAvacado
As a woman who used to be a man, it fucking sucks, dude.
STGxDante
Truthfully I want my girl to wear a dress with pockets for the pure symbolism.
Soddo
They have purses, its called a vagina
AmITheOnlyWomanOnImgur
My son asked me why I carry a bag (purse) and that is the exact reason. NO POCKETS, DAMMIT.
AStegosaurus
28th Amendment: All genders shall have equal access to pockets.
Monstache
Shouldn't be a problem, they are naturals at sowing. Pockets in no time. See, the patriarchy isn't that bad, gave them skills to overcome.
captainappropriate
They get socially accepted bags they call purses. Fuck em
OGCurious
Are you sure they weren't just talking about their shaft pockets?
hippyfrog
just buy unisex/MANLY clothing. cargo shorts (the longer kind) have all the space you could want, and they look better on women. comfy too
StickyJoystick
As a man, this makes my pants look like a chipmunk..
ThatswhatIwasthinking
That's what I was thinking
DreaminFree
This comment wins imgur
treknor
and as a good friend of mine points of .. soft and cozy clothing
trueheavyweight
Oh God you're right, I have to get out there!
WickedSerpent
Then again, our pockets got nothing on their handbags.. Fuck me those are practical
introtothevert
They are way too easy to forget and more vulnerable to being snatched.
CalicoChris
You're misinformed good sir! Dresses now have pockets. What a glorious world we live in!
Ivalicenyan
Umm... How about that they get to carry the ultimate pocket that holds all their shit and not be judged for it?
AlexisWalker
This is why I always hated Hermione. She has a fucking tardis purse that can store an entire fucking library in it.
bpjarMemePoster
You get jeans that make you're ass and legs get good or pockets. Not both
TellImgurAboutYourself
OH MY GOD! So glad someone noticed! It's ridiculous!!!
Xenite79
Tis a sad truth...
mycatodinisbetterthanyourcatodin
I concur
WarpPad
http://thedevilspanties.com/archives/11449
EmeraldLady29
Now this is a movement I can get behind
bigguywhokills
My 5-month old twin daughters are more likely to have pockets in their clothes than my wife.
OlDickTwist
Socially acceptable purse, though
Sutashi
OMG Yes. It wouldn't bother me so much if they didn't make fake pockets too.
PlaneCrazyGirl
Tomatoppotamus
I'm a dude and I always find this cool too
hungriesthippo
I have heard this so many times irl and it makes me so happy for them. *high five* Ya, pockets are awesome! Carryin stuff wif outcha hands!
GhostTasha
Too true friend. And shafted when paying for tampons
Superpandabus
Very good point! Women's pockets are useless!
Tooori
Yes seriously that is annoying. But why? Why the fake pockets on everything!
nightingalle
Today I complained that my 1 year old's pants have pockets and my pajamas don't. Definitely shafted.
TheDauphin
As an Apache helicopter, I wish I could have pants
ditiegirl
Yes damnit #freethepockets I have too many damn pants with pockets that are sewn shut. WTFF
YourFriendBen
Yeah but they get socially acceptable mini bags to carry; purses.
Arethekidsasleep
Daddy, who sewed up my pockets? Nobody. Why can't I put my hands in? Looks like you don't have pockets. Who would make a dress like that?
AurorOwl
I call them fockets (fake-pockets).
IAlwaysUpvoteBirdies
I would definitely march for pockets. That's just some bullshit.
Boxersaredeliciouslyderpydogs
It's true. I buy men's Roots brand track pants because they have pockets that are deep enough to be useful. Plus, they are comfy af.
TheGreatInsomniac
As a man whos pretty good at sewing, I want to suggest that they tailor their own pockets in, but I'm worried it will be considered sexist
Cicilla
A lot of jeans don't usually have much in the way of space, so we'd pretty much have to straight up make our own jeans or have cargos.
larrythe
It's not sexist, it's just easier said than done. As a woman who's pretty good at sewing, not all pants are made to accommodate pockets.
ClownExorcist
they make up for it in purses
venomlash
it was a huge revelation when I found out. gf was like "can you hold these?" and I was like "don't you have pockets" and she was all "no".
sharktoothache
OH MY GOD DO NOT GET ME STARTED
mynameiswednesday
this is true.....no wonder we have trust issues, they put fake pockets on all our clothes!
SoIHeardYouGuysLikeReposts
I've told my gf that she should get men's pants, for the pockets and for the fairly uniform size no matter what company or brand she chooses
DeathdealerFox
Ya but girls have different shaped thighs that usually don't fit well in guys pants. Otherwise I would wear nothing but guys pants!
APieceOfFuckingShit
I always buy guy pants and they fit me fine. (I am a female).
HouseofWeiner
I wish i could,but i have way to much hip:(
Kehy
Get larger size, then hem them/get them tailored.
dmax12
Tell me about it! once accidentally bought women's jeans from a clearance place. There was so much hip space, like what is this
0hmymymy
Lmao! You coulda cut slits in the sides and made some bodacious pockets. :)
Iwanttofingeryou
As a man ive seen women getting shafted, often in hd
Shaketramp
THIS. I have TWO pairs of jeansI ordered online without front pockets.... TWO.
mookiy
There was a sign at the march that said "More pockets!" They knew what it was about.
DeannaZone
I was thinking of getting into a business to add pockets to outfits with no pockets.
annaZon
I'm a woman, and I'm ok with it because I like tight jeans and bulky pockets look bad. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
clonemastergeneral
Which is also why men should ditch cargo shorts! ;D Unite!
OopsJustJizzedInMyPants
You leave my Cargo shorts out of this! Its for utility....
clonemastergeneral
I thought that was what the tactile turtleneck was for.
OopsJustJizzedInMyPants
Also yes.
nigglemaster
Just have your boyfriend wear cargo pants.
mormacil
You mean you like getting shafted?
comette
Cuz that's why we have purses to hold all our stuff anyway!
TheDudeOrHisDudeness
So far every girl I've talked to about this absolutely hates that their pants have none or very shallow pockets. You are a rare exception.
annaZon
Do those girls like tight jeans? Also, I take a purse with me pretty much everywhere so I can have gum, ibuprofen, tissues etc. all the time
TheDudeOrHisDudeness
Some of them do. Most of them likely would take purse or sth even if their pockets were bottomless, but it's the lack of options that sucks
TheDudeOrHisDudeness
My theory is that they don't put pockets in women's jeans only to force them spend more money on purses etc. 1/2
TheDudeOrHisDudeness
Because having any pants without pockets just doesn't make any damned sense
thepineappleineveryepisodeofpsych
It's probably my least favorite part about being a woman.
eliquo
What's your most favorite?
AFairlyCommonPepe
As a man who cares about equality, shafting women's pockets is important to me.
Bandignomette
I was so excited to find yoga-type pants with pockets the other day...it made me sad for myself. But also happy. Cause pockets!
Nize426
As a guy, I bought a jacket that once had a fake pocket. I really felt your pain. It was terrible. But luckily it was just one fake pocket.
thepineappleineveryepisodeofpsych
Just one? That's nothing compared to being fooled by both the front AND back pockets...
blairmichod
Are you sure? Men's clothing frequently has pockets sewed shut for looking sharp after shipping but are fully usable if cut open.
Nize426
It wasn't a blazer. Just a light denim jacket. Has a zipper but it opens to nothingness.
blairmichod
...a fake zipper? Well, in effect, since it's a useless zipper. What a concept!
Mypatronusisyourmother
What a sad realization. Sounds like a neat jacket though so you've got that going for you which is nice
AussieNotNamedBruce
....yet are gifted breasts, that generally see the use of a bra, which is utilised as a more convenient pair of pockets
thepineappleineveryepisodeofpsych
Yeah that's actually super unhealthy and gross. That's how you get a lot of bacteria and stuff all over your lady bits.
HayLinLa
Which we wouldn't have to resort to if they just gave us pockets... if you don't want boob money, give us pockets :D
LaforgeMRA
I cringe seeing cell phones. Cash and phones are the dirtiest things you own, I feel bad for your significant other
AussieNotNamedBruce
I'd much rather boob money that the prison equivalent, arse money!
YerDadSellsAvon
Yeah but woman have handbags aimed at them so I guess it balances
AmITheOnlyWomanOnImgur
It's hard to keep track of a bag though.
HayLinLa
Yeah, so we can spend even more money on a form of storage we should have on our clothing >_>
SisterFish
Because....we don't have pockets.
RepostSadistic
If someone aims a handbag at me, I would take evasive maneuvers.
pirate4lifes
No. It really doesn't. Carrying around a bag is annoying and I'm always afraid I'm going to lose it. I live having pockets on my cargo pant
Tooori
No we have to find something else because we have no pockets!
YerDadSellsAvon
What came first no pockets or the bag?
Tooori
The age old question
MacGyverofAnxiety
As a woman, I hate wearing a purse. Give me pockets so I don't have to lug around and keep track of a freaking bag.
samxbuttonsx
Thank you! My mom can't understand why I refuse to wear a purse. They're bulky and awkward. My boobs are all the purse I need.
YerDadSellsAvon
I wish I had boobs
MacGyverofAnxiety
Yes!! Too bad my cell phone doesn't fit anymore. That is one draw back of not having a flip phone!
samxbuttonsx
Your smart phone won't lay in your bra? I mean, mine does slip a bit sometimes but it's safe 99% of the time.
1lovesdave
That's the Damn truth, I got so excited when I found out a dress I bought had pockets. What a time to be alive!!!
NivalisAngelus
I find most of the time those pockets are useless because they pull on the dress too much and the fabric gets pinned to my side.
StoneofThor
It's a feeling like no other.
Win1forthegifer
I knew this but it was repeated three times this weekend anywsyd
AssapoopshitsMassachusetts
"That's a cute dre.." THANKS IT HAS POCKETS
1lovesdave
Damn straight!
HouseofWeiner
EVERYTIME!!!!!!!
AmITheOnlyWomanOnImgur
Wow - I have never owned a dress with actual pockets!
1lovesdave
It's an amazing thing
1lovesdave
It's an amazing thing
Noob3rts
Wait, are you serious? Women don't get pockets in their clothes? What the fuck?
introtothevert
I was told it's because women like to have a smooth, slim form. But, I'm a women and I want my shit on me and my hands free!
Noob3rts
It's time for women to rise up. Create gorgeous outfits with pockets! POCKETS FOR ALL!
AmITheOnlyWomanOnImgur
Yes! It's so sad. Sometimes they are tiny pockets, just big enough for a chapstick.
Noob3rts
Jesus. I couldn't handle that. My phone, keys, wallet and such has to be in there. I now realize the purse but why are some so damn big?!
1lovesdave
Some clothing doesn't have pockets, or they have fake pockets that are stitched closed, or really small pockets that are practically useless
Noob3rts
That's.. fucking retarded. I am so sorry.
1lovesdave
This is to basically force women to buy purses to carry what most guys can carry in their pockets.
blairmichod
No, it's because the pockets would add bulk, especially if actually used.
MistahPrickles
I almost agree, but I've seen those duffel bags some of you call purses. That's a bit of an overreaction for a few pockets you're missing.
bayardthebloodhound
Well there is a few things I wouldn't put in my pocket. Unless I was running to the bathroom.
Knilore
You know the one's stitched closed are just to help maintain ship til bought? Seam ripper to the rescue!
bayardthebloodhound
For some yes
Knilore
I didn't know a lot of my nice clothes had usable pockets for decades.
azizakalistayumyum
I've got clothes with legit fake pockets-they feel like disappointment and lies
kermie92
As a woman, can confirm
Beezlebubble
How else are you gonna get duped into buying hundreds of dollars worth of handbags?
FisherWisher
Someone once asked me, "why do all women have purses?" And I replied, "because we don't get to have any goddamn pockets"
venra93
I've seen more women switch to backpacks. If it feels anything like my laptop bag on my shoulders, I can see why.
comette
Pockets on dresses, that's all we ask for!
IvanYackinOff
As a married man, I can confirm as well.
AaaaandIiiiiiWillAlwaysLoooooooveYooooouuuuuuu
As a pocket on women's jeans, can confi.. wait *disappears*
neoritter
But you get to have fancy purses.
introtothevert
If it's not attached, I'm losing it.
mynameismati
As a man who has had to wear women's jeans, can confirm. How do you fit phones in there??
Mephian
True dat!
RachTrap
Can confirm too, all I have are faux pockets.
OrionMcnally
As a man with size 24 waist, can confirm
Azerai
As a human, can confirm
PantsGuy
It's so that they can sell more purses.
Beezlebubble
How else are you gonna get duped into buying hundreds of dollars worth of handbags?
AmITheOnlyWomanOnImgur
I HATE using purses and bags.
Beezlebubble
WHY ARE ALL MY COMMENTS DUPING
thecloudsboy
although your clothes are a lot more comfortable
Idunnobage
As a man who wore yoga pants once, can confirm. Weird night.
MetalTao
TBH I love their pants and the likes, very comfy
kermie92
Ehh. Yoga pants, yes. Bras? Nah. Fuzzy socks? Yes. Structured shirts? Nah.
Hetuni
Fuck yes, thigh high fuzzy socks sound bloody amazing to wear.
StereoIsntDankYet
Hell ye, fuzzy socks are great
thecloudsboy
what do you mean by structured shirts? all i know is every piece of womens clothing ive touched is softer than the male counterpart
IronGravyBoat
Thank you for asking. I too did not know those words could go together to make sense.
kermie92
Shirts that have bones in them, it's like a hard plastic used to create a body shape. Or shirts that have cups built in. Dresses similar too
kermie92
But I agree fabric is usually soft as fuck
mookiy
I feel like you've been shopping in the shitty men's section, bc shitty fabric is still shitty regardless of gendered clothes.
CreatureFromtheBlackLegume
Not sweatshirts! Why do you think we always steal them?
StoneofThor
When you make a comment like this it makes me think you must have absolutely no clue how to be empathetic towards others.
AbrahamLincolnGingerHunter
Comments like this are the problem. Ever thought of explaining instead of condemning? Maybe this is her way of asking.
lornabird
It's a pretty darn sarcastic way of asking that makes it seem more like she wants a pat on the back for being special rather than an answer.
StoneofThor
I'm not really feeling the teachable moment here. You're more than welcome to have at it.
Lissyb
Maybe stop being so bitchy when someone's literally asking a question?
StoneofThor
Explain? How is pointing out a person's lack of empathy being bitch?
AbrahamLincolnGingerHunter
Your first comment was a complaint, but not actually addressing what the OP wanted to know. Seemed like an opportunity to explain to her.
matyles
If there wasn't real issues that even modern women face, they wouldn't rally in such numbers, globally.
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tinkerbug
Reproductive rights, lack of political representation, lack of funding and pay for sports, being told tampons are a luxury...
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tinkerbug
There's a £10,000 fee in the U.K. to run for parliament. Lots of people don't have that kind of choice
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tinkerbug
Also access to abortions?
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tinkerbug
Nope, check my comments about women's tennis. Complete denial of opportunity to make more money simply because the men's game came first
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tinkerbug
Not necessarily, female tennis players' pay is justified by saying they only play 3 sets. But they won't let them play 5 sets or it'd 1
tinkerbug
You asked how are women unequal, not what laws limit women being equal. There's a cultural problem here
bloatedplutocrat
https://www.womensmarch.com/mission/ that's their reasoning. As far as rights being denied there's a few dozen bills that restrict 1/2
xython
Principle 1 (Nonviolence) is rich considering they've attacked several people. Yeah, I know, it's supposedly the facists at AntiFa doing it.
xython
But they're not exactly demanding AntiFa stop, or demanding the black hooded thugs leave, either.
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thelonepig
They did....They marched for the people mentioned in the article.
thesaturdaygamerz
Hmm, from the article it didn't seem that way, I suppose I may have misread
bricha55
Hey thanks for the link, good to read from the source!
icantbelieveisignedupdamnuimgur
Did you find it as unhelpful as I did? It doesn't really say anything definitive other than nonviolent, which was a fail apparently.
alberteinsteinwasagreatmagician
"LGBTQIA" wtf?
RelaxYourself
Thank you I will read this later
ascoolasyou67
but do the women marching know that or are they just hopping on the bandwagon
BigBenThisHeresRubberDuck
All I got out of that was "LGBTQIA." What in the harold magarold is that. ??
itsgonnabeasparklingday
Let me Google that for you...
JustinKlosen
As Abraham Lincoln said: "No law can give me the right to do what is wrong."
Chilipaul811
They didn't answer the who, what, when, where, and why.
GTimgur
I don't understand why this is called a women's march based on this link. O_o
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GTimgur
Pardon, what is now under intersectionality? The term women or the march itself? I'm confused by the name if it's representing all.
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GTimgur
That's just... bleh... whatever.
Thebebop
Sounds more cultish than an agenda.
chipppppppppppppppp7
Thank you for the link.
dangergrouse
Don't forget this page, too: https://www.womensmarch.com/principles/
Thebebop
Sounds more cultish than an agenda.
lurkvoter
Regrettable time to accidentally double post.
punchlineguy
No offense but tl:dr
WillAlwaysUpvoteTAWOG
To;Dr: in some states, if you get raped and conceive, you don't get an abortion; gotta give birth and care of the little shit all your life.
LQTM
Thanks for the sauce.
barnaclebillthesailor
Hurray source!
1metalnation
So they are protesting for an amorphous reason and have no clearly defined goals other than exposure of... stuff. Yeah that sounds right
cleverbeans
When you do exactly no research you reach ignorant conclusions. https://www.womensmarch.com/mission/
twozerooz
The guy didnt link to the right page. Click the link at the bottom
Joni2000
Women's rights aren't human rights, human rights are human rights. That webpage feels like a bitchfest, downvote me.
cleverbeans
Maybe if you stopped bitching it wouldn't feel like a bitchfest?
cadetlink
Ok, but ill be gentle.
CreamAndShit
"downvote me"... I don't care what came before this, any variation of that I will downvote regardless.
KeeleonOhms
Sounds like they think things are gonna be A-OK for all straight white guys though.
IHaveADoggoShesNeato
Well when you've never had your right to marry who you want threatened and don't have to worry about your bodily autonomy being taken 1/
IHaveADoggoShesNeato
At the turn of each election, not being denied service bc you're straight or have had an abortion, things may seem pretty fuckin peachy 2/
KeeleonOhms
And what rights are being taken away from Blacks and Muslims? They need to pick a clear goal, not just list opppressed" minorities to pander
BadWolf1993
So basically they want us to hand over the keys to Putin?
cadetlink
...what?
BadWolf1993
From what i understand from the mission statement is were to forgo the military and adapt a peaceful life. Im all for being corrected I may
cadetlink
i don't know where you got "get rid of the military" from but... no? secondly, Russia is not and has not been since the days of (1)
cadetlink
'Russia' being called the USSR. and while im not saying they wouldnt invade if we did get rid of the military, we are not cause no one is (2
BadWolf1993
Think we should make it any easier.
BadWolf1993
Not being understanding correctly but won't that just be asking a communist country to take over? Russia is already in the running i dont
YesThisIsJesus
"Nonviolence is a way of life for courageous people."
01001000011000010111001001100001011011010110001001100101
It doesn't take courage to leave other people alone. Am I missing something?
SomewhatOxygenated
It takes courage to not strike back when you feel threatened.
LordGriffith
Does it not also take courage to strike back when it's necessary, though?
bratlitorstein42
I felt that one aswell
StAndrews607
Username checks out
radicalbread
Tell the black gangs when killing other black gang members to stop non violently. Tell the drug cartels to stop. Non violently.
prisoner6defaultxskyrimxname9
Yeah but as a man I can't get an abortion, so take that.
JGthiccworth877THICCNOW
Not with that attitude!
L3viath0n
This is either the best or the worst reasoning on this issue.
LordJohnWhorfin
Serious question. So, the march was not against Trump? I mean, all this existed before he was inaugurated, right?
cleverbeans
No Trump specifically said he intended to attack women on all of these issues so he's certainly the main motivation for this showing.
Mygirlfriends80085
It was not officially an anti-Trump protest, but since Trump actively opposes many of these issues, there is clearly overlapping ground
trustmeimontheinternet
Obama never admitted to sexual assault on camera or campaigned to close women's health clinics.
MaggGyver
Officially a women's rights march, but most of the people at them (or at least at the one I attended) were very much against Trump.
whocaresdotcom
I've wondered this too. They could have marched during Obama's term, but didn't. Hmmm...
uvwaexx
Of course Obama represented their views. Trump does not, nor does any branch of govt currently, hence, the march
handgrenade
Probably because Obama isn't an admitted sexual assaulter of women, running on an incredibly regressive platform?
HakoonaMatata
LGBTQIA? What has been added now?
Cacapeepeepoopoo
Omg this is the comment I was looking for. Everytime is see the acronym LGBT, a new letter is always added.
yak3ftw
Why not just add the entire alphabet at this point, shit..Numbers too. Gotta include everybody, right?
Ringshadow
I use QUILTBAG, personally.
PolarHailStorm
All you need is U.
danishjuggler21
LOL it's less of a mouthful. Are asexual people really a marginalized group though?
Ringshadow
Ignored or told they don't exist, yes.
dbizzles
But are they denied rights...? I'm not trying to be contentious. This stuff just confuses me.
LesGrossman
Tomorrow it will be LGBTQIAZXGHTRBMNW
robotzombies
Haha! They're different!
tomasunozapato
And so what if it is?
LesGrossman
The fact that you don't find that rediculous is in itself, rediculous.
tomasunozapato
Meh, I disagree
AndrewSBalfour
Intersex and Asexual
twozerooz
But those are covered under the Q...
DeLaRuuu
The Asexual bit being part of it is so retarded. What the shit does a asexual person have to be upset about? Putting them in the crowd of...
DeLaRuuu
...homosexuals, etc, has no logic attached to it. A heterosexual can go asexual and NOTHING would change in how they are treated by others.
RedDwarfIV
Because the progressives decided 'asexual' is a gender.
cruxvector
What's intersex
Zarvox
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex
MechAnon
If you have to ask, you can't afford it.
Hakosukaz
That's the first time I've seen LGTBQIA... It gets longer every time... What's the last few mean?
Dzingara
I don't know why anyone would want to label themselves. People seriously confuse me.
AirshipEngineer
The longest related Initialism i have seen is LGBTTQQIAAP. At that point I assumed they were taking the piss. They were not.
siggyphiddit
Not sure why you were downvoted--I was wondering the same thing.
Dhakka
They're just trying to be inclusive to every letter in the Alphabet. Progressive!
OreoBorealis
A queer friend of mine said to use the acronym QuILTBAGS to make it easier to remember
HalfPintKatie
Quiltbags?
OreoBorealis
Queer, Intersex, Lexbian, Trans, Bisexual, Asexual, Gay and....uh..Sexy?
photoshopbot01
Darn sexy people! They shouldn't be allowed to marry! IT'S NOT RIGHT!
InnerUniverse
The varied answers I'm seeing here are exactly the problem I have with these stupid labels.
samsonguy920
At this point I think I am fine with more letters being added. But they gotta use the whole alphabet once. No repeats.
chronovore
"Questions In Advance"
RaynWisp
I'm gay, can't we just say "people" instead of making ridiculously longer sequences of letters?
pdxenburg
Sure, and we can get rid of all groups and categories and just call everything "stuff" :)
lysani
What gets me is why do they keep wanting special labels for everything? Why can't they just be a person, not a letter of the alphabet?
pdxenburg
Because we have subgroups we all belong too and it's helpful to classify things in many situations.
xython
Q is Queer, I is Intersex, A is... either Ally or Asexual depending on how much Tumblr you've smoked. It's all snowflake bullshit.
DLGU
Dont feel bad. I'm a social worker and thats the first Ive seen it like that as well.
AceOfBase19
I'm gay and I have no idea what those mean.
xelbar
you're a bad gay then :D
Flipvan
I'm gay and I didn't even know it went past LGBT. Should just call it "everything other than straight" at this point.
Toofwess
Itll keep getting longer as long as people continue to think gender identity and sexuality are the same thing too
pdxenburg
It would be shorter if we just used "other"
Khaotix11
I don't like how the "LGB" is included in it all. At least they know what they are and don't need special labels.
ThatShiftyMonkey
We could add U for unisex, and rearrange them to QUILTBAG. Much easier to say.
HodorIsADJ
Weren't the non-vaginal members of the march triggered by the (insert plural pronoun) wearing vaginas on their faces? How rude.
ITryToOnlyRespondInGifs
The 2 new letters really screwed up the GQBLT acronym I was using
edgarmunozsj
Why don't they just make it "to infinity and beyond" as they continues to identify more stuff
rekcilthis1
Politically correct term for 'mental illness'
cadetlink
I hate to admit it, but once you get far enough its either you are doing it for attention, or have serious issues. I draw that line at (1/2)
cadetlink
The titles that are so specific that only you belong in it, and the "other-kin" bullshit. No, you are not part wolf, you are a furry.
DustyGryffon
I was thinking the same thing... what the shit..
Zath
Queer, Insane, and Agonizing
noonelovesmike
Am I the only one who thinks this is getting a little out of hand? At this rate it will be the entire alphabet.
FrozenCoast
That alphabet soup just keeps getting longer. I am confused, does lesbian and gay not cover queer?
chaoticbear1
Queer also connotes a more radical and political ideology.
eadano77
Queer is becoming common as a catch-all for anything not fitting into straight or the other letters. Tho the q sometimes means questioning.
pdxenburg
Gay covers lesbian, so there's one letter we can get rid of
IFuckingLoveGoldenRetrievers
But there needs to be distinction as both groups have their own needs/issues they face.
pdxenburg
"gay" covers men and women issues.
ExclamaTori
Not necessarily. Queer in this sense is more about having a fluid gender identity that bounces between masculine and feminine or neither
eadano77
Though I have to say a gender queer person will likely have some trouble making one of the other labels fit.
eadano77
There is a difference between queer and genderqueer, is there not?
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
Yes. Queer is a much older term and usually refers to sexual orientation rather than gender identity/expression, although expression does...
HodorIsADJ
In what part of the spectrum do the face-vaginas fall?
FrozenCoast
Ah, ok. I did not know that.
DeLaRuuu
Intersex and asexual and/or ally. The last A is laughable.
Skotty
I think the A may just be asexual.
blargedyblargedy
It is
dracomageat
Ally can go F itself. Being ok with different genders/sexualities doesn't make you not straight or cisgender.
DeLaRuuu
Agreed, I think some people just want to feel special or included, no matter if they deserve to be.
dracomageat
Oh, that's for sure. Transgender has issues in that regard too, since it's based entirely on internal belief and so impossible to verify.
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
To be fair, the word feminist describes both female and male feminists, and white people participated in the black civil rights movement
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
In fact, a woman can't be a feminist in Germany :) Only a man can be a Feminist. Women are Feministinnen. The idiocy of gendered language
dracomageat
Sure, I have no issue with that, I'm just saying they don't need their own special term just because they're nice to one group of people.
Dtherese83
At what point does it change to "The Sexual Identification Spectrum"?
ArdentSlacker
According to my scrabble tiles, we're not even halfway there.
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
Or "gender and sexual minorities" (GSM). 3 letters that cover everything. Works in German too (geschlechtliche und sexuelle Minderheiten).
cadetlink
That would be a significantly better name.
GodFuckingDamnitVanEyck
No it wouldn't. Let them keep adding letters. It lets me call them the Drunk Alphabet Group.
tremonti
There all on the spectrum, no doubt.
javer80
I've heard propositions for Sexuality And Gender Acceptance - SAGA
yourrabiddoggy
I would hear that every time in my head like the old SEGA jingle...which would be awesome.
javer80
"Saahhh-gaaa..."
ggemmell
Welcome to the next level...? Or... SEGA!!!
TheDarkNerd
I've heard adding in "Uncertain", and just rearranging it to QUILTBAG.
javer80
Yes that too! Haha.
NotEven0nce
Nah when they're uncertain they make a new acronym.
Tunisia
Queer, intersex, asexual.
GaijinSin
This is why QUILTBAG is a better way of writing it.
playstation360
Intersex?
Tunisia
People whose biological/physical sex (phenotypic or sometimes even genotypic) is indeterminate or ambiguous. It's rare, but it happens.
playstation360
Seems more like a disorder, but OK, sure.
SuperFakeAndReallyGay
This is legitimately getting out of hand
SickNastyofSpades
Is the Q stand for questioning?
eadano77
Depends on who you ask. I wish I had a better answer.
myfriendwhodoesntgetit
I mean this is the right answer ^
BlondieSayWhat
It depends. I always heard questioning. Some say the A is for Allies and not Asexuals
0956
Thought the A was allies
TheTwitchingEye
It was when I was in college in the early oughts. I've started referring to it as 'alphabet soup' because they're always adding letters.
comette
Idk why you were downvoted for that but pretty sure it used to. Cant keep up with everything I guess
NuclearBoxcutter
Ironic how in trying so hard to be "inclusive", they turn people against each other.
EternalSunshineOfTheSpotlessMind
Isn't queer the same as gay? Then again, aren't lesbian and gay essentially the same thing as well?
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
It's a large umbrella that essentially means not straight and/or not gender-conforming. Could describe pansexuality, crossdressing, anything
Vatricidal
Lesbian and gay have very different cultural connotations and histories. Queer is a catchall for people whose sexuality might be misleading>
Vatricidal
if given a more common name. Lesbians who like certain men, people exclusively interested in androgynous partners, things like that.
cyberjamie
Yes and no. Queer is a bit more like....bi with a heavy leaning on way or another. At least thats how it was explained to me. Gay-Lite.
ralmoly
Queer was explained to me as not heterosexual and I don't have to tell you who I sleep with. Because really, it's not your business.
eadano77
That's heteroflexible.
KorraOfTheSouthernWaterTribe
Queer is more of an overarching term that people can use when they feel that none of the other labels describe them well. For example, (1/2)
GuckFoogle
so in other words it's bullshit
KorraOfTheSouthernWaterTribe
my queer friends say that some days they are more attracted to men and others they're more into women (2/2)
SexualHerassment
Shhhhhh, have to be extra special
chimchim666
yeah or just not feel like "gay" or "straight" describes you
cadetlink
Seriously... at least take solice in knowing those kids at the high school level are not taken seriously in the least.
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
Yeah, because queer people made this term up, right? It's not like it was hurled at them as a slur by people who refused to accept them...
joeafro
All for the right to have an abortion but also give the male to not be financially burdened for nearly a quarter of their life if they 1
Thehumanracestinx
Also https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2015/12/01/health/maternal-mortality-rate-u-s-increasing-why/index.html
JarJarDidOrder66
Correct me if I'm wrong but if you don't want the kid, can't you sign away your rights as the father and then you don't have to pay support?
Zeuski
Nope. You still have to pay http://thelawdictionary.org/article/giving-up-a-fathers-parental-rights/
joeafro
Decide to not want said child.
Jaimelee
You have the option to wear a condom...
Jaimelee
Really? I point out that men are also culpable and you downvote me?!
MittenMagick
She has the option to be on the pill. What's your point?
Jaimelee
That men also have a protection available to them. Some women lie (gasp!) about birth control.
alsoAzrael
There's a sort of entitlement here that bothers me. "I fathered a kid but it's my right to not be burdened by it."
Doraste
And the father having no right to have their child live?
Reconcephelafacon
Then shouldnt women be held to the same boundaries when half of that kid is part of the father? Equality is about equality
alsoAzrael
I didn't say anything about abortion, because I don't have any answers. Abortion is a really tough subject and there are no easy solutions.
Doraste
The statement "I was stupid and got knocked up but it's my right to not be burdened by a healthy non dangerous pregnancy."
Jaimelee
Thanks, that's what I was trying to say... It's a two-person job!
joeafro
After I posted this my SO told me that guys can give up rights.
Hot4Professor
As I understand it: parental rights, yes, financial obligations, no. But I'll readily admit to just being a random guy on the interwebs.
Hot4Professor
As I understand it: parental rights, yes, financial obligations, no. But I'll readily admit to just being a random guy on the interwebs.
DragonFromAFewDoorsOver
In the US, Canada, and UK legal paternal surrende/financial abortion is rare, convoluted, and usually only if the mother agrees to it.
DragonFromAFewDoorsOver
That's not the case generally, as a rule even if a man is raped he will be responsible for child support if named the father.
jonathantoast
Are you saying that you should be able to force a woman to have an abortion? Or just not pay for your own kid?
Doraste
So the man should have to just live with the woman's choice regardless?
USD1
If women want the power to keep/abort the child all to themselves, men shouldn't have to pay for their decision.
cchandler73
Being able to walk away without having to pay child support, ect. If the woman should have the right to have the child or not and the man 1
cchandler73
2should be able to walk away or be a part of the childs life. You shouldn't be allowd to trap the man in the situation.
KatsDiscoBall
Men walk away all the fuckin time, what are you talking about?
cchandler73
An option where men can legally sign over all rights to the child and have no obligations, financial or otherwise, to the mother or child.
cchandler73
Legally speaking, a man is always financially responsible as the father. When a father walks away, he can always be forced to pay even if he
KatsDiscoBall
Well, as they say to women, maybe shoulda kept your legs shut, right? As for men, maybe shoulda kept it in your pants. Fair play, no?
cchandler73
If you read my first comments, I think women should be able to make whatever choice they want. I dont think they should force their choice
cchandler73
On men. Equality all the way around. O think the "keep your legs shut" is a silly response to being against abortions.
bloatedplutocrat
abortion rights of women (particularly among the lower class) being drafted and presented at state congress's
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DragonFromAFewDoorsOver
Yes he did, he's in favor of repealing roe v wade and letting each state decide whether or not abortion should be allowed.
allthemimsy
That is how a federated republic works.
JohnnyTitelips
Actually, the draft thing is less a women's rights issue and more a men's rights issue, as men can be drafted and women can't.
Genriu
One thing I haven't seen clarified is that these people aren't just advocating directly for women's rights. They're also speaking up for 1/
Genriu
the rights of ALL minorities. In this case, it feels like calling it "Women's Rights." would be more of a means to get people to support 2/
Genriu
specifically women's rights over any other group's rights. As much as I understand that there's definitely good reason to want change for 3/
Genriu
all of the groups involved in the description of women's rights, it's still unfair to only call it that. 4/4
Loina
Much as I may be politically aligned differently I appreciate a well wrote TL:DR of the opposite side's views instead of "educate yourself"
LookingForWorkInColorado
What does @op say?
ZeroNappa
So we're pedaling pacifism against people who want to hurt us. All of their points talk about non-violence.
Cereaza
I'm a man, and I'm not allowed to have an abortion. Some equality....
watchrinserepeat
That makes a little more sense why they kicked out a feminist group just because they believe fetuses have rights too.
CyborgScribe
But can we trust a bloated plutocrat?
NotEven0nce
I never understood the reasoning behind separating human and women's rights. They're the same thing. Else you're already starting divided.
iuploadbearpics
Abortions kill women, too.
aUsername85
So let's all protest against trump! Who has nothing to do with the issues we dislike a the state level!!!
bloatedplutocrat
Trumps admin has a #2 who orchestrated this state level stuff. Trump himself wants to appoint an anti RVW USSC judge. Point missing is easy!
aUsername85
Who is this #2 orchestrating state level stuff? Specifics would help your point. You know RVW is not the prevailing law on abortion, right?
bloatedplutocrat
Inept, aren't we? #2, 2IC, XO, aka his vice president Mike Pence. As Gov. signed into law a bill criminalizing abortion for mental illness.
BillyBaloney976
You're really doing great work here, thanks for having more patience with them than I ever could.
spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaccee
There's an attempt in Texas right now to turn abortion into a felony, thus preventing women from being allowed to vote if they've had one.
JohnCalvinCoolidgeJr
Adultery is a felony in Michigan. MI Statutes Section 750.30 My point is lots of shit is felony, and non enforced
CheshirePhoenix
Not all states deny you your constitutional rights, though. In Texas specifically, the disenfranchisement only lasts as long as the sentence
Freaknik48
Can I march so men can't be drafted? Im not a fan of it in general.
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
You'd probably have the support of feminists on that. They've fought to be included in the draft before, so visa versa seems appropriate.
Shemjaza
Someone stopping you?
DeepFriedAndSanctified
So none, but somebody said something. So everybody marches.
bloatedplutocrat
DeepFriedAndSanctified
Been hearing this for 45 years. Clearly im not the slow one.
bloatedplutocrat
Y'know, these things are alot more fun if you put some effort into it. Your generation is terrible at pointless internet arguments.
REDWHITEANDMERICA
They ruled it legal and protected under the 14th Amendment. Supreme Court cant declare something a constituional right.
sorathecrow
I'm all for fully restricting abortions. Period. Entirely. Like have none of them.
roastbeefkazenzakis
So pregnancies that'll end up killing both mother and fetus should go untreated? Some abortions are to save lives.
cadetlink
What should we do about the teenagers that can barely support themselves? (Genuine question)
sorathecrow
Genuine response.
sorathecrow
Let them put the kid up for adoption. I'm not for murdering a child for the convenience of society.
TheEchoWeaver
You do realize that the adoption/homeless children system is already massively overtaxed, and many of these kids grow up completely >>
JohnnySfondi
If a woman chooses to do the deed, it should be she who bears the responsibility and cost of birth control or abortion-- 1/2
JohnnySfondi
not her neighbors. If anything the money used for govt care, directly related to this, should be put towards edu on the subject. 2/2
srawr42
Abortions are already prevented from being federally funded. These bills prevent people from paying for the operation.
sexconker
You have $10 for food & someone gives you $5, but not for tacos. You still have $5 more that can be applied to tacos. It's just earmarking.
srawr42
http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/05/429641062/fact-check-how-does-planned-parenthood-spend-that-government-money
NotThatSarahbutTheOtherOne
Oh man...as a middle school teacher, please world, allow abortions.
Stegotops137
Why allow abortions?
NotThatSarahbutTheOtherOne
There are 2 wars to fight here. 12 year olds with babies or the totally incapable parents reproducing in the first place.
Stegotops137
12 year olds having to deal with pregnancies (presumably rape or other nonconsentual ways) is, obviously, not good for them, but I don't 1/2
FuzzyBwalls
Seriously..just getting worse and worse
cadetlink
Jesus, as a high schooler even the thought of children scares me. But middle school? Yeesh.
dontyoudaretouchmybutt
When I was student teaching, I was placed in a middle school. 1 pregnancy in 5th grade, 3 in 6th, 2 in 7th, and a whopping 9 in 8th grade.
disister1201
Oh I graduated in the class of 2012 and I remember kids getting pregnant as early as the 6th grade
JaxAndHisLampPost
I'm not against abortion, but I can understand why certain people may be. It's definitely a tough issue.
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FeliciaSexopants
Ok. That's just unhealthy.
NOINOON
No it's not. "Stay the fuck out of other people's lives."
Ihazcheeseburger
You realize there are things society deems morally wrong and therefore illegal, right?
DeusExSpockina
It can be. It's also a personal issue. I will never say you should or must get an abortion. That is your choice. Right? Pro-CHOICE.
Romale
i'm pro abortion, but if you're pro life, it's not your choice, its about taking away a child's right to life.
JaxAndHisLampPost
I feel the same way, but I can understand why certain people would be against it.
DeusExSpockina
Which is fine. But they want to make it illegal to chose anything else. There is a huge difference between the two.
MittenMagick
Its as personal of an issue as my desire to murder someone.
DeusExSpockina
Oh. Cool, so you support compulsory organ donation?
Corin
Can't we just have a happy median? One abortion per person (man or woman); no questions asked.
Brucecori2
That's not really a happy median for either side.
LookingForWorkInColorado
Is it too late for your mum to have one?
Corin
Well, she's 4 months pregnant with my little sister, and late term abortions are legal here...
CKnowles
Tbf, those deny men abortion rights, too
HoldMyWater
Big if true.
nandecatur
You're not wrong
newsguycraigevans
Tbf, men were out there marching too
FuckYourMorality
Still being labelled as solely a women's right march. In a biological vacuum, sure. In real life, people utilize abortions, not just women.
FeliciaSexopants
Yeah, but those men don't have to carry a baby for 9months & give birth.
CKnowles
Some inequalities are brought on by nature, and some by man.
watchrinserepeat
That is more profound than I was expecting to find. Did you come up with that?
LakrisalLover
Then why aren't you in the street protesting?
CKnowles
Bitch I might be
PassTheGiggles
DeusExSpockina
Yeah, but so you want to have a transvaginal ultrasound?
Ryebread91
Sounds kinky
lyricallove
More like unpleasant. Women are forced to look at the sonogram and listen to the heartbeat before an abortion.
AegonTargaryenTheSixthOfHisName
http://imgur.com/Mmvr4Xx
AegonTargaryenTheSixthOfHisName
I'm so sorry i thought that said "How would you have..."
AegonTargaryenTheSixthOfHisName
http://imgur.com/Mmvr4Xx
wearebestfwends
Why would they be opposed to being drafted?
HoodsBallsOnASkillet
Because equality only counts when it's beneficial
DeLaRuuu
I don't see why anyone would want to be drafted. "/
wearebestfwends
Nobody wants a draft.
DeLaRuuu
I know, nobody likes to get cold.
bigeasy44
The bills are being drafted, as in the early process of writing.
wearebestfwends
No my question is, why would women fighting for equality be against the draft?
Imgurkoff69
Modern day "Feminists" aren't about equality, they're about female superiority.
RandomThingiesHere
A lot of them are against the draft for both men and women
bigeasy44
They aren't.
WanderWanda
As a European I never got why is abortion such a central issue in US politics. Aren't there more pressing matters that need attention
JohnCalvinCoolidgeJr
Because people get mad at the idea that it is constitutionally protected. I don't care if my state allows it, but Roe should be overturned
CheshirePhoenix
We like to pretend that we're still a "moral" nation even though literally everybody knows that's a giant pile of steaming bullshit.
Dtherese83
We have little actual separation of church and state in a country founded on separating church from state. It is confusing and frustrating.
JohnCalvinCoolidgeJr
The guy who said that phrase first advocated federal funds be used to create churches for the Indians you know
JohnCalvinCoolidgeJr
the phase is about keeping government out of religion, not religion out of government :-)
archaontheeverchosen
Yep
TheHighCourt
It's the influence of Christianity, which demonises abortion
Romale
it comes down to if you pro life, you believe its murder, if you're pro abortion, you don't.
nozzle
*Pro-Choice, madam president. You can be for a woman's right to choose, and dislike abortion. It's about giving them control over their body
MrPeterCapaldi
No. It comes down to Roe v Wade argument of whether the government can force you into bodily servitude of the state.
Romale
like i said, whether its murder or not.
pdxenburg
nobody (in the rational discussion) is "pro-abortion" and encouraging it.
TangoIndiaTangoSierra
Sounds like a state issue, not a rights issue. That's Governmental
TangoIndiaTangoSierra
If I'm wrong, tell me how. States can't write the Constitution
snerkperk
Constitution req the fed govt will protect living citizens' bodily autonomy. It's not for the govt at any level to disallow abortions.
sexconker
If that were true we wouldn't have vaccine reqs for public schools. Roe v. Wade was about privacy & gov not accessing your records.
snerkperk
Roe was about privacy to make decisions about your person - I.e. Bodily autonomy. Also yes re vaccines hopefully that happens soon!
TangoIndiaTangoSierra
I'm confused, sorry
snerkperk
If you can ask your questions with kindness and respect feel free to message me, yo! I'll do my best to splain how I see it :)
LooseyGooseyBrett
Their description of their mission doesn't help me understand what rights they are missing
CommunistSynthesizer
The first line says "We stand together in solidarity with our partners and children for the protection of our rights..." Not clear enough?
DeusExSpockina
Rights and access aren't equivalent.
Skywatcher16
true, but when you intentionally restrict access enough, you have effectively restrcted the right. hence jim crow laws being illegal
DeusExSpockina
Yes, exactly!
Phunk08
This is what vexed me as well you think the mission would include their goals in any tangible sense.
Starcatcher1986
The new presidential regime is threatening to women and minorities. The march was about not losing rights we currently have.
LooseyGooseyBrett
Like?
Starcatcher1986
Abortion, for one. There's also the threatened Muslim registry. Then there's the fact that we elected a man that glorified sexual assault.
coffeeisnotmycupoftea
Its not always what is missing, but that protections have been threatened to be taken or new restrictions placed on everyone, not just women
Phunk08
But it's all extremely vague nothing is defined it just reads like the election conspiracies once again. Big bad Donnie gonna take your
Phunk08
Rights, sounds exactly like four and eight years ago big bad Obama is gonna take your guns and your rights.
Skywatcher16
heres the difference: the right spun up obama gonna take the guns. trump and congress have openly campaigned on removal of womens rights
coffeeisnotmycupoftea
If you actually watched the march speakers youd have specific issues being tackled by the march. But hey, bitches aint shit.
OneAngryAssCanadian
Trump wants to drop or reduce funding on planned parenthood. This not only takes away abortion rights, but cancer screens, STD tests, BC etc
WarpPig
um, dropping title X funding would only mean that you can't get an abortion at PP. Doesn't block screens/tests/bc or other clinics' abortns
sexysaxman95
Would to know what your sources are but Title X funding does not go to abortions. PP abortion funding comes from other donors.
WarpPig
no you're right, I misspoke. Title IX is what I was referring to. PM'ed
OneAngryAssCanadian
Basically we would like to keep control over our own bodies and not have our choices ran by a guy who thinks abortions should be punishable
TraceofSpades
Reducing federal funding for planned parenthood isn't an attack on anyone's rights. There's no other scenario that logic makes sense.
OneAngryAssCanadian
As well as other issues, like the VP's dislike for gay and diverse rights, which would hurt everyone if rights were no longer protected
Zanthy
The biggest one is the right to have an abortion and health insurance cover feminine products such as birth control
KingLeka
birth control isnt a right, and shouldnt be one. And certainly it has nothing to do with equality. Men buy condoms and razors. Why cant wome
AceTrainerPuppet
Because birth control costs the same as condoms, right? ps: women buy razors too. Why do you think only men need razors??
LaCroixBoix
I'm so confused by all this razor talk. Am I missing the point of comparing birth control and feminine products to razors??
gearbox2000
Best thing about being a man is free abortions and free pills.
Khaotix11
Health insurance thing is a commodity, not a right. The abortion thing has strong proper arguments on either side of the debate.
wrekemrobbie
and why do you think you deserve that?
Rokhoe
Isn't abortion more of a religion topic than being sexist?
Zanthy
That could be argued i guess, but it's not like people getting abortions are different religions than those against them.
troutslap
Very few people are pro abortion. The pro choice movement is about women who don't want to be told what to do with their bodies.
TheyCallMeJimmyButMyNameIsJames
Why can't you buy your birth control out of the money your employer pays you? But really: why should I pay for yours?
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LoveEngineFive
Well if this makes them pay for a boob job then I need to go March!
ALovelyTime
I've been on birth control since I was 15 because after I got my period I bled and passed huge blood clots every day for six months. 1/2
ALovelyTime
By the time they put me on the pills, I was anemic AF. The hormones keep me from bleeding to death, slowly. Not exactly elective. 2/2
ALovelyTime
And if you've never tried to get something covered that isn't explicitly in your insurance plan, let me tell you: it's nearly impossible.
TheDauphin
But it's not denied. Which bears the question: are they protesting for rights or celebrating the rights they have? All news says protesting
ilovemyboobs
It is more effective to protest before its actually taken away, than to protest to get it back. Bills are set in place to take rights away.
PMMeYourPopplios
Men aren't allowed to have abortions
isleptonit
Well its controversial cause abortions cost a lot of time for doctors. Over half a million every year since 1792. Majority of these.. 1/2
isleptonit
Are from unwanted pregnancies, but some are medical emergencies. So why use abundant resources on something that can be prevented with 1/?
isleptonit
Proper sex education in school or better goverment support of expectant mothers? Obviously there will be exceptions.. but half a million??
bigbluewhales
Lol you you guys really suck
twfeline
And that's just the start!
Acornlad
Is feminine products considered a right though?
pajamallamadrama
My BC is normally $94 a month. My insurance pays all but $11.24 of it. Why do people keep saying insurance doesn't cover it? IT DOES.
Listeningtokpop
You have every insurance under the sun? Wow! How'd you do that?
pajamallamadrama
You ignorant fool, if your insurance doesn't cover it then you have shitty insurance. I've had several different types (even cheap) and...
Listeningtokpop
Aetna. Granted not the best in the world, but decent.
pajamallamadrama
My best friend has Aetna and her BC is fully covered.
pajamallamadrama
It has ALWAYS been covered. Go march or something...jesus....
Tazmo523
Abortion Is legal..and how is the law preventing insurance covering birth control
JMEddings
If you want birth control pay for it yourself. Why should I have to pay for something you want? We should have the choice if we want this
sirachabear
Many woman NEED birth control. It's not all about sex
JMEddings
Ok. So as far as actual medication, I grew sure cover but not for morning after pills or abortions and stuff like that.
Listeningtokpop
I think you had a stroke half way through, can you reiterate?
JMEddings
I agree with actual medications but not abortions.
MadDrDrillBit
my car insurance should cover oil changes too. i think were missing the point and purpose of "insurance" . Definition changes at some point
mrsforfunsies
The maintenance on your car doesn't result in another human being. If it does, might wanna get that checked out.
Thehumanracestinx
Don't forget all the medical conditions that BC helps to control and alleviate.
JMEddings
Ok let me clarify, I am ok with actual medication. I misspoke when I said birth control. I am against abortions. That's it. Yes there are
JMEddings
Time when I feel it is ok. Like after a rape, or when the mother finds out she has cancer and to do treatment it will kill the baby anyway.
JMEddings
I donor feel that is very often though. I don't feel I should be forced to pay for something against my beliefs. And saying that it's either
JMEddings
Pay for abortions or welfare is stupid. Sounds like you need a job. There are all kinds of jobs that people can do from home.
sirachabear
No ones protesting to have free abortions??? And to touch on your "get a job" comment, I'm working 3 as well as in school and I couldn't
MissSiesta
... 2/2 my taxes.Your personal beliefs shouldn't restrict others' rights or privileges.That would be selfish and narrow-minded
JMEddings
I'm pretty sure viagra isn't paid for with your tax money. I think it would be insurance. Which is who would fund the abortions.
MissSiesta
I don't believe doctors should prescribe viagra to men when they could exercise and eat healthy instead. I pay for those pills with... 1/2
RindgeTinge
Get yourself a job that offers health insurance to cover said feminine products. Don't make everyone else pay for your needs.
ByThePowerofCommonSense
I don't know if you misread it or something but that is exactly what they said
DeusExSpockina
Yeah, because poor women who are unemployed or working shit jobs are exactly the people we want having unintentional babies.
RindgeTinge
Then have safe sex.
itsgonnabeasparklingday
Go do the research on contraceptive failure rates and get back to me.
DeusExSpockina
How? They have trouble affording birth control. Are you advocating celibacy within marriage?
RindgeTinge
Wear a condom or don't take the risk
GeorgeRobertTwelvesHewes
Correct me if I'm wrong, but abortion has been legal since 1973?
DoYouHaveSnacks
You were right, but unfortunately now you are wrong :(
IllyriaBlueHairedGoddess
It has been legal, but that doesn't stop states from creating legislation that makes it nearly impossible for them to be administered
GeorgeRobertTwelvesHewes
Ya but those states you are referring to are usually random flyover states where a bunch of pro life people live who don't want abortions
JMEddings
If you want birth control pay for it yourself. Why should I have to pay for something you want? We should have the choice if we want this
itsgonnabeasparklingday
Pay for condoms or pay for an entire child's needs. Do you you need to go back to remedial math?
DeusExSpockina
It's a medication. When I can pick it up from the pharmacy like allergy meds, sure. Until then, it should be covered like all other scrips.
SuperCerealManBearPig
Birth control being covered? That doesn't even happen the the eu
1963pontiactempest
It falls under preventative care, which also includes things like cancer screenings, vaccination, etc.
srslydude
That sounds reasonable.
MissSiesta
Yes, it does.
Zanthy
That happens right now in America.
SuperCerealManBearPig
They why are they protesting for it
Zanthy
They're protesting new proposed bills that are trying to repeal the access.
Zanthy
They're protesting new proposed bills that are trying to repeal the access.
amuseddimples
I have birth control and can get an abortion 30 minutes from my house. Guess I'm missing something.
sirachabear
Because women in your past protested for that right lol that's the point. To preserve and not backlash
Zanthy
That's what the march was to preserve. There are bills in the house that are trying to repeal the current laws that permit it.
JessWithaC
I've read through this thread for quite a while to get this far, and I keep seeing your comments. Thank you for spreading truth and facts.
Tourine17
Why should insurance be required to cover an abortion and birth control? How is that a right?
CheshirePhoenix
It's a right because SCOTUS has granted the right. That's their job, yo.
candycoatedbats
Concerning birth contr, not everyone uses it to not get pregnant. Some women use it as a medication to keep their hormones in check
stoploggingmeoutImgurIfuckingswear
I have several friends that need it for PCOS, ovarian cysts, debilitating period cramps. Don't know if insurance covers it or not.
Listeningtokpop
It does not. PCOS here. Insurance counts anything towards getting pregnant as "getting sick" and won't pay for you to "get sick".
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Zanthy
Women want the choice to be able to get an abortion. They want to keep it legal. It's not a matter of voting, it's a matter of rights.
bondagewithjesus
Healthcare is an elected choice? Thats a sad state of affairs then
Thehumanracestinx
It is everywhere. Do you not understand how laws affect people's lives?
bondagewithjesus
I do but where I live we have universal health care you don't decide if you treated or not based on whether you can afford to
Istorestuffinmyboobs
There are other uses for BC pills than as a contraceptive, for many they are simply medicine.
BrianMFTurner
I know, my girlfriend uses it for ovarian cysts. And her this is covered by health insurance.
Istorestuffinmyboobs
If it's covered, it's not an issue :) the problem is when it's not anymore, while Viagra still is.
lemonyflavoredjunimo
This. I use BC to keep my cysts at bay and also because without them I'd be bleeding constantly. I went 3 months without stopping before BC.
Istorestuffinmyboobs
Yup! Not getting pregnant everytime one chooses to have sex is good and everything, but for many people this is te reason why they take them
Istorestuffinmyboobs
I would've stopped taking them and rather use condoms if it didn't mean I had to call in sick every month because of cramps.They can be bad.
Istorestuffinmyboobs
And it's not that difficult to obtain free condoms.
onlyfavoritesdogposts
This. This is what I want politicians to keep in mind. I have PMDD and ovarian cysts, and I need BC to keep me from being in pain 1/?
JGthiccworth877THICCNOW
Preach. I bled for 3 months straight and almost fucking died until I was put on BC as a medication to regulate my body.
onlyfavoritesdogposts
And while I would love to see all forms of contraception to still be available and/or covered by insurance, this is the one I'm worried 2/?
onlyfavoritesdogposts
about the most. 3/3
impostersquall
spending 10-20 dollars every month on 'luxury items' ...aka tampons and pads. isnt fun.
MrJitterfingers
My hearing aids are luxury items, and I spend more a month on batteries then a woman spends on tampons - private insurance people.
mookiy
At that point, it's better to bulk buy. I was excited to find out emp benefits had a HSA that would pay for tampons/pads/contact lens ... 1/
impostersquall
yeah i normally wait for the sells and stuff. "buy 2 get 1 free." Ect. then buy a shit ton.
DingDongSingAlong
I have to buy food or I'll die. You guys really should be picking up the tab.
BillyYumYum2by2
Food isn't taxed as a luxury item though. Tampons are. (Most) women aren't saying they should be free, just not taxed that way
DingDongSingAlong
Food and tampons are taxed exactly the same way where I live (and everywhere I've ever lived). WTH is a "luxury" tax? That may be the issue.
BillyYumYum2by2
Hm, didn't realized it varied. A luxury tax is a tax on something that isn't a necessity. So it's basically saying that women don't need 1
BillyYumYum2by2
tampons or pads. For reference- food and medication are not taxed this way. Most, but not all, states have this 2
mookiy
solutions, but then the insurance company immediately backtracked and said those don't apply. Hate the system so much. 2/2.
Listeningtokpop
I bought bulk. Bought enough for 5 years, figured "welp I'll use them." Diagnosed with PCOS and didn't have a period for 18 months. lol
whocaresdotcom
So, when a pregnant woman is murdered, it's a double homicide. But when a woman has an abortion, it's ok. It's somehow "human rights".
whocaresdotcom
You can't have it both ways.
Listeningtokpop
Agreed- it should only be homicide. Not double.
Cac2008
I'm horrified by how many people are casually talking about destruction of a human life, just to avoid pain. I didn't know that was [1]
Cac2008
[2] a valid excuse for ending a life. It isn't part of the woman like a leg, it's is a separate life that needs her support.
claudiajeancregg
What about if an abortion is needed for a medical reason? Eg the baby or mother has a health condition that could harm one or both of them?
Cac2008
Oh I'm absolutely in favour of abortions being legal, and available, without constraint. Especially in terms of saving the life of the
JMEddings
If you want birth control pay for it yourself. Why should I have to pay for something you want? We should have the choice if we want this
JMEddings
Covered. If you want it you pay for it. If not you don't have to pay for it.
lraskie
Well nobody wants abortions or to pay for welfare, which do you think is cheaper?
erischilde
Because it's used as medication for pain and hormone issues and still isn't covered in those cases.
Zanthy
Why should we pay if you break your leg? Or if you get cancer from smoking? That's how insurance works
JMEddings
But let's say I am against regular abortions. I feel they are against my beliefs. Why should I be forded to pay for this? I think if you
JMEddings
Want it covered you pay for it. If you don't want it covered you don't pay for it. It should be sold a la-cart style.
Zanthy
Insurance doesn't work like that. You don't pick and choose what your company covers, only what coverage you get.
Listeningtokpop
(1)I'm against paying for cancer treatments. So can I opt out? They shouldn't have smoked if they didn't want cancer. We gave them plenty of
JMEddings
Not every one who has cancer smokes. Let's try to be competent, and adult.
Listeningtokpop
(2) Free air to breathe. They should've known smoking leads to all cancers. Why should I have to pay? I believe smoking is wrong. Same logic
JMEddings
It's a religious issue. I am referring to abortions only not all birth controls. Just to be clear.
valsodarg
Because it benefits society as a whole. That is why ppl pay for roads (even if you don't drive), defense (even if you are against war), etc
JMEddings
Well with that argument did you know churches provide about 85% of soup kitchens, shelters for homeless, so everyone should be forced to
JMEddings
Well with that argument did you know churches provide about 85% of soup kitchens, shelters for homeless, so everyone should be forced to
KingLeka
free birth control isnt a right, and shouldnt be one. And certainly it has nothing to do with equality. Men buy condoms and razors.
Listeningtokpop
Why are you buying condoms? They're available for free...
sirachabear
Condoms are readily available for free. Many places hand them out. Tampons, pads, and birth control are not.
lraskie
The idea was to help prevent unwanted pregnancies, condoms are given out free at health clinics too. Razors should be cheaper for all.
TechnicolorCheeseWedge
Would you rather help a woman prevent pregnancy, or assist her in raising a child she didn't want or couldnt afford?
KingLeka
Neither. Not my problem what a woman does. You are treating women as if they are retarded children. want sex, buy birth control or condoms.
PrismarineGaming
Can't afford birth control? Don't have sex. Simple.
FightMeYouLongAssBitch
Why do I have to do either? Why am I responsible for them?
KingLeka
cause feminism. fuck logic and fuck men.
KingLeka
cause feminism treats women as if they are babies. This is everything true feminism fought againts.
deniseh
Women shouldn't be punished for having sex. Birth control should be free, it would decrease abortion rates and medical cost, look at Sweden
KingLeka
how is it equality when one gender gets free stuff and the other pays for themselves plus for women. Get a job.
deniseh
Um, but right now, men are getting free stuff!! FREE CONDOMS are being shared at every abortion and medical center for youths.
KingLeka
like I said men buy condoms. why cant women buy birth control. they arent being punished, not my job to pay for you to have sex.
deniseh
They buy condoms, but condoms are given out free, as I said. Not your job to pay me for having sex, well then don't complain when u have 1/2
KingLeka
condoms are a multi-billion dollar industry they arent given free to adults, only to kids. as for child support your comment is retarded.
deniseh
to pay child support cause you wanted to hit it raw. Don't whine and don't sympathise with men who complain about paying child support 1/2
SgtThunderfistMD
Since when do women have a right to have an abortion? Like where is it deemed a right under the law? Serious question.
narwhalhosting
Right to life. Literally the first fucking right listed.
Carefuler
No one is killing the woman.
DeusExSpockina
Actually happened in Ireland. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-20321741
narwhalhosting
Right to life. Literally the first fucking right listed.
NGC5189
Google Roe v Wade
Dolphinohhhh
Do you believe in the Dred Scott case?
NGC5189
I don't. He asked when it was deemed a right under law. That is where is was.
Dolphinohhhh
Owning a person was once a law, and I thought we were past calling other people not human because of factors they can't control.
NewCrobuzonCitizen
What the hell ? I am from EU aka free healthcare and we def. dont cover birth control in insurance. So this is quite a shock coming from US
bigredfiretruk
feminism is about proving to not need a mans help meanwhile forcing them to buy stuff... its better not to try and think about it
usedhernaym
Where in the definition of feminism did you get the idea that women want to single out men to pay for goods?
MissSiesta
Covered in Norway until you're over 22, I believe. It prevents a lot of unwanted pregnancies
stoploggingmeoutImgurIfuckingswear
That's really cool. Most people can afford it themselves by 22. Does this system work well?
MissSiesta
Yeah. I'd say so. We have very few teen pregnancies. We also have health clinics that hand out free condoms :)
JarJarDidOrder66
I'm in Canada and my birth control isn't covered by the government either
Quebeker
it is in canada
Quebeker
well Québec anyway, we are distinct after all ;)
ivebeenwatchingyou
The piece that hasn't been mentioned here is that Viagra or E.D. RX's are covered under insurance. Why Viagra but not birth control?
pajamallamadrama
Worked in a pharmacy, never filled one ED script that was covered by insurance.
usedhernaym
Viagra is more "cosmetic." Birth control prevents unwanted pregnancies, babies, and ultimately taxpayers' $$. Viagra doesn't "help prevent"
HenaK9
Erectile dysfunction is a medical problem, viagra is not a cosmetic.
SusanDelgado
I paid $30/month with insurance pre- ACA for my birth control, for example..
naanuenuekoa
My insurance completely covers my BC. Different programs I guess.
comette
Pre-ACA? mine was $15 when started and kept going up
naanuenuekoa
Ah no, I lost track of the conversation. Currently covered 100%. Now I'm wondering what the pill prices are in Europe though...
NewCrobuzonCitizen
In my country it costs like 15-30€ for 3 month package ... Without any insurance.
CheshirePhoenix
Here it would cost $30+ (there are some that cost $280). Per *month*. So for 3 months you're looking at $90-$840 without insurance.
FunFrenchStuff
Depends in which country you live, EU is not one unified bloc. It's covered in France, it's not in Poland for exemple.
KimJongUnceUnceUnce
exemple
FunFrenchStuff
Are you defining my comment, asking for another example, or pointing out my spelling mistake ("exemple" instead of "example") ?
thanatos777
Basically, the less Catholic a country is, the better their healthcare is likely to be.
indexOutOfBounds
As an Irish person, this.
FragileReality
devtek
Also the less Orthodox.
SadSnapchatguy
I'm taking a shit and I lol'd and my gf is concerned
CrazyMrowLady
From the UK, and birth control is free.
TakeMeToFrontPageAndBackFiveTimesADay
Long live the NHS, and hope the conservatives don't screw it over
MissSiesta
Whoop! Whoop!
elbdms
The problem in the US is that whatever is not covered, is exorbitantly priced.
NewCrobuzonCitizen
Yes, that I would imagine might be a serious problem in US.
AintYouGuysGonnaAskAboutMyHat
Condoms are like 50 cents each, cheaper if you buy 'em used.
sexysaxman95
Lol why get them used when Planned Parenthood gives out condoms for free.
usedhernaym
Because they won't be free if PP is defunded. See? This is why women are marching.
Icantthinkofaname2
They're talking about medications, often for ovarian cysts, etc.
AintYouGuysGonnaAskAboutMyHat
Ah ok. Makes sense. Still, I know a good used condom guy if you ever need a hookup. Some of them don't even have holes in 'em.
ShockTheMonk
Do they want health insurance to start covering the cost of condoms too? There are multiple methods of birth control
ilovemyboobs
birth control helps everything from acne to hormone regulation to blood thinning. A side effect is preventing pregnancy.
JessWithaC
Birth control isn't used only as a contraceptive, it can also help regulate hormonal imbalances that cause periods that are so painful (1/2)
JessWithaC
That they induce vomiting. It's also a fairly effective acne treatment that drs will recommend before trying more intense medicines (2/2)
JessWithaC
Source: I was put on BC by my Dr when I was 15 because of debilitating periods - it helped immensely (3/3).
justtwograinsofrice
B/c before Obamacare, health insurance was 40% more than male. Same exact insurance coverage. Must of been my fault for being a female.
icanhazusername
Plus a lot of insurances cover viagra and not birth control... so how about them equality apples?
ilovemyboobs
Really i just wish BC was called Female hormonal control kit, or something similar.
Zanthy
Specifically ones that a woman would use long term, such as the pill or the ring.
CheshirePhoenix
Condoms get forgotten, broken, not put on right (because sex-ed isn't a thing anymore, GG). Even if you forget BC pill it's still all good.
santini35
What I dont understand is under ACA tubal ligations have to be covered, but not vasectomies
santini35
Even though ligations typically cost more and can be riskier procedures
CheshirePhoenix
- "can be" + "definitely are" + "require a long recovery period including hospital stay"
Zulkier
As a woman, that's bullshit!
foxwithtools
No. As well as man shouldn't pay alimony for the unwanted child.
stoploggingmeoutImgurIfuckingswear
I think this is particularly a hard issue. Having an abortion is a difficult choice as is raising a child with no support. But for the man,
stoploggingmeoutImgurIfuckingswear
he gets to walk away from it with no burden either way. I'm not saying you are wrong, but I am not completely on board with it.
CheshirePhoenix
What's so hard about it? Woman wants abortion, man doesn't. Woman gets abortion. Man wants abortion, woman doesn't. Man gets saddled w/ 1/2
CheshirePhoenix
18-24 years of child support.
JabHerJaw
I agree with this opinion and get yelled at for it.
deniseh
Of course he should! He put it to the world. If he don't want to pay alimony, then don't hit it raw! :) Wear condom!
fathamster
You realize the condom can break or the female tricking the guy into thinking she's on the pill etc etc right?
troutslap
So why are you fucking her if you think she's going to do that?
fathamster
Yes because that's always super obvious and easy to spot huh? Can come out of the blue for all you know
Stelmacki
Can men get condoms covered by health insurance?
troutslap
Birth control isn't just for that. It's often used to treat irregular menstrual cycles and other reproductive health problems.
Beholdthewang
You didn't answer the question
HelaSisterOfThor
Since obamacare I've had no copayment for BC so... I thought thar shit was taken care of.
TheyCallMeJimmyButMyNameIsJames
selfless!
Fuzzgoat
Trump and the GOP want to repeal Obamacare so that would go away. They especially don't like that portion so it's unlikely to be in (1/2)
HelaSisterOfThor
I'd like it repealed and replaced with something supporting free markets, tort reform, etc.
ReiiamaKotsu
That's the problem. They want to repeal it, then put it on a 3 year timer by which they PROMISE to have a replacement. 1/2
ReiiamaKotsu
The government is a lot of things, but timely isn't one of them. 2/2
Fuzzgoat
whatever they replace Obamacare with.
mookiy
Like they've got a plan. Honestly, they are replacing with air and fluff and "alternative facts". It's outrageous and shameful.
RindgeTinge
Since Obamacare, my co pay went from $0.00 a doctors visit to $25.00. My $200.00 hospital deductible went up to $500.00.
CheshirePhoenix
You can thank the GOP for that. Obamacare was SUPPOSED to be government single payer insurance, but GOP fought tooth and nail against that.
HelaSisterOfThor
I feel your pain. My deductible for myself and my son on my plan is $5000. It's ridiculous. I didn't have an issue paying for BC.
LoveEngineFive
Playing devil's advocate here - shouldn't the father of the child should get a say in whether or not an abortion is performed?
CheshirePhoenix
I think so, except for in special circumstances (rape/incest/abuse/etc).
reijitamashii
The father? That's debatable. Random old white dudes who think pregnancies from "legitimate rapes" abort themselves? Hell no.
eagerophiuchus
Non sequitur. Dads can have a say without making the entire medical procedure illegal and/or costing thousands.
ukalliq
Sure, if he wants to take over gestation for the remainder of the pregnancy.
ermahgerdawoman
If you are not responsible enough to have a discussion about what the woman would decide ahead of time, you have forfeited your right imo.
ermahgerdawoman
If you don't want potential offspring aborted, don't stick your dick in a pro-choice woman.
Orael
Male sea horses can carry a child, why the hell cant human men? Unfair!
deniseh
No. It's not his body. It is the woman who will have to endure the pain and body deformations if the husband wants to keep it.
CrazyMrowLady
I got pregnant a couple of years ago after switching medications to something that interefered with my BC and not realising. I had a 1/
CrazyMrowLady
Relatively new boyfriend, and so was very nervous about bringing it up. I was NOT going to have the baby, and all my friends told me to 2/
CrazyMrowLady
Just get rid of it without telling him. I found that really fucked up, so I told him anyway and made it clear that I didn't want it. If 3/
CrazyMrowLady
He had a problem with that, I'd be fine with him leaving or I'd let hin grieve or whatever. But financially, emotionally and practically 4/
bayareafarrier
Absolutely not whatsoever.
ilovemyboobs
he can have an opinion, but no say. If I ever need an abortion, I'm getting one even if my husband doesn't want it.
Zulkier
If there was a way to painlessly and without repercussions transfer the foetus to a mechanical uterus then absolutely. Until then, no.
bigdaddystuck
No! The man should only have a part if the woman decides to carry to full term then the only say he has is to pay child support! SMH!
EducatedKitten
I've always leaned towards giving the man the right to a "legal abortion". Mother gets to decide whether to have the abortion, father (1/2)
EducatedKitten
has the right to "legally" give up rights to any interactions with child in exchange for not being held responsible for child support. (2/2)
Zulkier
That isn't a thing? :( Damn. That's bullshit.
Listeningtokpop
100% agree.
ReeseTheFeels
So, the dad will pay for the time off work needed? All the time and money needed for doc appts? That would be an issue if both parents...
dbizzles
Pre-child support lol.
ReeseTheFeels
agreed to him raising the child alone. It's a pretty long and expensive process to birth a child.
bloatedplutocrat
Fair enough, however, in this case its either a yes or no. What's the ruling if the woman is pro abortion and the father is anti abortion?
itsgonnabeasparklingday
1. He shouldn't be fucking outside of marriage. 2. He can pay for her time being pregnant in exchange for not aborting.
LoveEngineFive
That's the million dollar question, I guess.
magellan007
I think that's something you should discuss with a potential partner before sex. It might make for an awkward moment but worth it long-term
MadDrDrillBit
Theres always abstinence. i know they'll do it anyway. but the same people want paperwork before sex in college.
bloatedplutocrat
That was fortunately already answered by the USSC in 1973.
LoveEngineFive
It doesn't morally answer it.
gamblingpoet
You can't force women to carry a baby for 9 months. Pregnancy is all on the woman, she should have the final and only say.
elganif
only if he ALSO gets a right to say the choice is hers and hers alone to keep the child and not have to support a child that could not exist
SolitaireUnraveling
It's not that easy. It's half his, and it's all the baby's. So getting an abortion is possibly alienating the rights of the father, and the
SolitaireUnraveling
rights of the baby, as well. It's a really shitty issue that's unfair to all, but in cases of consensual sex, women are adults. She can
MissSiesta
FYI. It's an embryo, then a fetus. It only becomes a baby and qualifies for rights when it can exist on its own.
SolitaireUnraveling
Absolve herself of the responsibility of creating a life if she wants, even against the father's wishes, but a man gets stuck with
Thehumanracestinx
Nope. The woman has to deal with the physical repercussions of the pregnancy and birth. You can get maimed, acquire lifelong medical conditi
Crockpotseal
Your argument is fair but then should a man be forced to pay child support if he (prior to birth) says he does not want the child at 1/2
sofcknwrong
An embryo is not a child. If a woman doesn't want to carry an embryo to term, it's her right. A baby is not an embryo. It has its own rights
Crockpotseal
All? If a woman doesn't want the child she can have an abortion, but if a man doesn't want it he's legally and financially responsible.
magellan007
In general, I think most women who truly don't want kids take precautions, the same cannot be said for most men and the law reflects that.
Thehumanracestinx
ns and even die in the process. You cannot force someone to do something that endangers them, especially when it's for a scientifically unve
Thehumanracestinx
Rifiable belief. Furthermore motherhood can ruin your career prospects and cost you hundreds of thousands in lost opportunity costs. This is
CoffeeTrampTossBitch
You. I like you.
Thehumanracestinx
Not true for fathers and those facts are scientifically verifiable.
Zanthy
As a man I'd like to have a say, but I can understand how it is significantly more the woman's choice, seeing as its her body.
KingLeka
the baby shares half of its DNA with the father, the baby is the product of both. it isnt her body,or her property!
itsgonnabeasparklingday
If she keeps it against his wishes, then she can pay for it.
Zanthy
We aren't talking about the baby's body, we're talking about the mother's.
KingLeka
we were talking about abortion.
ohnoporkchop
Yes, he should get a say also. But what if the women was raped?
Vaanhalen
Pretty obvious would be a unique situation. Not sure why you needed to ask.
Listeningtokpop
It happens a lot more than I'm guessing you think it does. Sad, but true.
ohnoporkchop
Because, that's how rhetorical questions work.
LoveEngineFive
I can see that she carries the child, but why does she -alone- get to decide? The father literally has no option to carry the child.
robotzombies
I think you just answered your own question.
HolyCringeLordBatman
So what you're telling me is, if a man wants to keep the child, a woman will be legally forced to carry to term and give birth?
FragileReality
Istorestuffinmyboobs
Because he can't decide that she has to carry the child to term, or undergo the trauma of an abortion. It's unfair, but biology isn't fair.
LoveEngineFive
Isn't it unequal that one person gets to choose the fate of something two people created?
kbmkbm
Because people kinda poop out on their words. Some father can make the verbal commitment to stay, and then leave after birth.
LoveEngineFive
Can't woman do that? Adoption.
DeusExSpockina
Well sure. But that would be like saying one parent should be able to legally force the other to donate an organ to a dying child.
MissSiesta
Or just die for it to live.
Listeningtokpop
There's an actual life-or-death scenario for the woman. Complications happen, and it's a big risk pushing a human out of a lemon sized hole
LinkTheHeroOfWinds
So its kinda like slavery. She wants to do one thing. but someone else has the ability to tell her that she can't do things with her body.
Zanthy
It's a tough topic, I guess the argument could be made that a man could impregnate another lady if one doesn't want kids with him?
LoveEngineFive
It just doesn't seem fair to the men. They have NO OPTION of carrying a child.
Zanthy
The other thing to consider is that in many states, if a woman is raped and impregnated, the father still has rights to the kid.