Suspiciouspenguin
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Don't be this kind of libertarian
TL;DR VACCINATE YOUR DAMN CHILDREN
Fucking seriously.
The municipality are even doing mass vaccination drives, going to all the preschools in Gauteng and vaccinating every single child.
Because one family believes it "goes against their religion" to immunise their children from deadly diseases that can leave them blind, deaf, paralysed, or dead.
In case you didn't notice, I'm not just pro-vaccines, I'm anti-anti-vax.
If you're anti-vax, you can go to hell.
The only people who should skip vaccinations are those with compromised immune systems.
andrewbert
This is in no way the correct usage of this image macro. Do you really think this is a "socially awkward" situation?
NotQuiteDeadYetPool
After my brother's intense rounds of chemo he no longer has an immune system and he is now at risk from idiots.
mkingi
That's why I'm happy to get a needle shoved in me if it means someone like your brother won't have to die.
Hendlton
I mean, that's a nice benefit, but my favorite bit is the bit where I don't die.
PutThePRNDLinD
One family...and a whole bunch of others...
andweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Sauce: http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/gauteng/family-linked-to-measles-outbreak-in-gauteng-8980247
MaplePhoenix
It's time for uniform regulations...if you can't prove your kid is vaccinated, they can't come to school, rec centres, libraries...anything!
rabbiebabbie
My family had a tough time coming from Israel all the paperwork was in Hebrew and public school didn't understand/believe our medical record
rabbiebabbie
So I had to be re-immunizrd and get my paperwork in English to prove I could go to school
MaplePhoenix
I'm sorry you had to, but situations like that will happen, and are necessary
foreverastoned
pro vax here, i looked up the article, its 18 not hundreds. Lying about the little stuff makes people on the fence go the other direction.
hodoria
I'm Patrick
Gougak9
Source?
ILikeCuteGifsAndICannotLie
http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/gauteng/family-linked-to-measles-outbreak-in-gauteng-8980247
thdudedude
The source article says almost all of the people infected were not vaccinated.
MikeyDoesThings
this make more sense
mkingi
Yes, like infants who are too young to be vaccinated and are extremely vulnerable to serious complications of measles.
thdudedude
Read the article, one out of 17 was less than a year old. My kids got their first measles shot at 3 mo.
remembrtherain
Share the source article you're reading? It's not linked above.
maxwilder
Looks like it was linked in a comment. http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/gauteng/family-linked-to-measles-outbreak-in-gauteng-8980247
Carefuler
Do we know this is the same village OP is talking about? 17 is a long way from 100's and they choose to no vax. Or is PO a bundle of sticks?
cousteau
So some people were vaccinated and still had to pay for those who weren't.
cousteau
("pay" as in getting the disease themselves)
MrFnortner
This is fucking stupid. Only unvaccinated people can get the disease. How can you possibly point the finger at any one of them?
am0k
Yea this is clickbait as hell
upvoteALLtheposts
Odd that the sources say 17 and not hundreds...
somejerktookmyusualusername
Well yea, if you were vaccinated you probably wouldn't get the disease...that's how they are supposed to work...
Cuber22
You can also get vaccinated that you can't infect other people
Wholivesinapineappleunderthetree
Thank God. Scrolled down just for this comment
rabbiebabbie
Right there's a lot of reasons for people not being able to be vaccinated an they rely on the rest of the pop. Healthy people to get vavcina
somejerktookmyusualusername
SA's squatters camps in particular have problems with public health for obvious reasons and many of the people there go into the 1/?
somejerktookmyusualusername
cities and town for work making transmission very easy. At least this was true in the Pretoria area were I lived for a while. 2/2
rabbiebabbie
Hm didn't know that thanks
VodkaReindeer
No, there really aren't a lot of reasons for people not to get vaccinated. Most of the vaccines don't contain live things.
Dionysus187
There are a few reasons why someone can't because its more dangerous, but its a very low percentage of the pop.
cousteau
Some people are allergic to vaccines.
cousteau
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/should-not-vacc.html if you rely on trustable sources rather than random imgur comments.
redheadedandfreckled
I don't know much about vaccinations, but wouldn't the vaccinations protect the kids who were vaccinated?
rabbiebabbie
Vaccines aren't 100% and not everyone is healthy enough to get vaccinated so they rely on herd immunity for protection.
nevergoingtogiveyouupnevergoingtoletyoudown
On the upside the vaccinated children stand a better chance?
Chawzilla
Do you pronounce it Silth Ifrica or Seth Efrica?
Twasnotluckbutskill
Depends on if you're a fucking retard or not
thisusernameisalreadyinabuse
Random comment award
pantsinabucket
Souff Efika
JadedWombat
I wish there was a way to favorite comments, because this is gold. Okay, silver.
ImmaNeedBoutTreeFiddy
I saw a comment on Reddit get 24 gold. All it said was 'is'
clitaurus
Sääd Æfrikuh
Elcambio01
Safrikah
Nightcaste
But... But yure blick
TheHappyHermit
You are. He is.
ImgurianWhoClaimsToBeAnExpertOnEverything
Wow that sounds exactly like they say they say it when you read it out loud
Chawzilla
It's just comparing the accents from Lethal Weapon 2 and Invictus.
ImgurianWhoClaimsToBeAnExpertOnEverything
Goodness I love invictus. Great movie
GenuineHappiness
@SassyTablespoon we are dying to know!!
thoughtfulllama
Sydafrika
eggmuffin
Sooth Efrika, maybe? The dialects are all cool.
Idsertian
All I know is it's about who's bettah. You kill me, you're bettah. I kill you, I'm bettah. /Titanfall
Iemandanders
There are so many dialects and accents in SA, you can spell it any way you want and there would be someone who would pronounce it like that
WeAreStevo
Asking the real questions
RideTheStimutacs
Sout Afreeka
dracomageat
Sawth Arfreka
ABonkeysManana
South Africa.
Vercci
South Africa
suburbanhyena
South Ahfrica
YeahICanHearYouClemFandango
Love how none of these comments answer the question
StaticUnicorn
It honestly depends, there are different pronunciations. As a white English speaking S African I pronounce it as 'South Af-ree-kah'
CthulhusGreasyBallsack
sowt afreekah
yomomsaman
my dad's brother got it when he was 9 yrs old. Due to complications from it, he ended up in an asylum for 60 years until his death due 1/2
yomomsaman
to becoming mentally disabled due to measles. this was why vaxs were invented! to prevent this! my uncle never saw the day of light 2/3
yomomsaman
again due to getting the measles. If thats the kind of life you would want for your kids, then by all means dont get the vaxs.
Noctonaut
All Hail Anti-vaxers! The diseased shall inherit the earth. Cough...Cough.
Fairemont
Papa Nurgle is pleased.
Zudaya
My father initially refused to get the TDap booster because 'he wouldn't have to if Muslims wern't in America.' 1/2
rabbiebabbie
That's some next level racism thinking lol
MerToo
lawl there's no vaccine for weak reasoning skills
rabbiebabbie
Maybe a large caliber bullet to the cranium???
MerToo
they used to do that but the side-effects were deemed too severe so mostly it's been disccontinued as a treatment
Zudaya
Whooping cough has been bad here and I threatened to with hold his only grandchild until he did.
ticklemelulu
I did the exact same thing to my mother in law when my son was born. She refused because vax made her son autistic -
ticklemelulu
- when no, they didn't. Whooping cough went around and my nephew got it. He wasn't allowed around my son either. Didn't stop my crazy mil -
ticklemelulu
- from talking shit about me behind my back. Hasn't seen her only grandchild in 8 months because of it. Oh well.
SiNO3
We will be in the same boat. Mil thinks it will melt your brain (she is a "nurse ") refuse to let her see our future kid til she gets it!
alsoAzrael
I've gotta admit, this is a new one to me. I wouldn't have thought to connect those two.
justsmilestupid
I didn't vaccinate my kids and the one that lived is perfectly healthy.
iputthefiresout
I firmly believe not vaccinating your children should be considered child neglect, especially around my anti-vax sister in law
kcufuck
I wonder how it's just the one family. Where are they going to pick up the virus themselves before coming back and spreading it?
CongratsYouAreHereNow
hey @OP man, just moer those buggers!
HorsesAreLikeWalkingCouchesWithAnxiety
If they came in contact with it through someone who had gone out of the country, etc. It would spread through the family like wild fire.
girlyThings84
Here is Pakistan, refusal to vaccinate means jail time
Carefuler
What about the Bodily Autonomy all the pro-choicer love to crow about????
Carefuler
I'm not anti-vax, but that's not a kind of country I want to live in. Only a matter of time until that kind of power is abused.
trollingworld
U guys shoot nurses who try to vaccinate u
girlyThings84
you are utterly misinformed. i wonder where you are from so I can speculate and tell you what isolated incidents happens in your country 1/2
trollingworld
https://www.pri.org/stories/2012-12-19/polio-workers-shot-pakistan-9-killed-3-days
girlyThings84
There was this incident in Afghan tribal areas which come under Pakistan judiciary
trollingworld
1)So that is not ur country? Usually if an area comes under a country's jurisdiction, its ur country. Tribal or not.
girlyThings84
and how world generalizes it
trollingworld
I didnt say ur entire country shoots nurses. Im not misinformed.
medlifebum
That's because they are the only country left with polio, antivax. Ppl suck!
ComicallyLongUsername
With poor education access in rural Afghan. Pakistan, Nigeria, and the west's bad reputation, you can't blame people for being suspicious.
girlyThings84
well, you too are misinformed, if you ever happened to study medical articles, you will know that polio doesnt exist here anymore
medlifebum
it exists in Pakistan, to the point where you have to take drops before you fly out of a major international airport w/ Pakistani passport.
medlifebum
also I am currently a med student, Canadian American w/ a Pakistani background, feels pretty crummy when your country is the only one left.
medlifebum
unless you have a document that says that you have been previously vaccinated. This happened until 2015, don't know if it still happens.
ComicallyLongUsername
According to the WHO, Polio is extant in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Nigeria.
DarkUranium
But the WHO are also the same organization that said cell phones cause cancer. I've lost trust in them after that.
ComicallyLongUsername
No they didn't http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs193/en/
medlifebum
Afghanistan and Nigeria were in the clear last time I checked (which was a year ago).
jayxero
I have a confuse... doesn't that mean that anyone who contacted it wasn't vaxed either?
ThatAssholeOverThere
Like other said with herd immunity, but also that these diseases could mutate or become stronger in a person and pass on
lokikismit
Immunity is not necessary life long. For example, I have the pneumonia vaccination, but have to get it again every ~10 years, not because of
lokikismit
mutations, but because the body 'forgets' it's resistances if it's not exposed to the disease.
spookyvicky
The measles vaccine doesn't provide long-lasting immunity for around 5% of people who get it.
cattriona
I was fully vaxxed, yet got both the measles and the mumps in childhood. It isn't 100% foolproof.
kiwiflavored
Vaccination merely enables the immune system to recognize the pathogen and produce antibodies. Without vaccination, this happens too but...
kiwiflavored
it takes much longer upon 1st contact with an unknown pathogen. If this immune response will be sufficient to prevent a full-on infection...
kiwiflavored
is anyone's guess. Vaccinated people stand a better chance, but their immune system can still be overwhelmed. Needless to say that the ...
kiwiflavored
more contact you have with infected people, the more likely you are to contract the disease despite being vaccinated.Herd immunity=important
Bostonbulldog
LOL, nope that means the vaccine didn't work and this one family (if this family even exists) is being used as a scapegoat to teach a lesson
Spaceframe
this
TheTastiestTampon
Is wrong. Ftfy
mkingi
You actually can trace a disease outbreak to its source; that's the field of epidemiology. You absolutely can trace it to one family.
GavinScreaming
Well you're wrong
Maddie223
That's not how it works. Nice try.
Nyoibo83
And here we see the science side of stupid
HorsesAreLikeWalkingCouchesWithAnxiety
Vaccinations improve the immune system but don't totally eradicate the possibility of getting the disease. The more people diseased, 1/2
Bostonbulldog
Completely incorrect. If anything vaccines weaken your immune system. They claim to create antibodies so you can't get the illness.
HorsesAreLikeWalkingCouchesWithAnxiety
The more likely it is for someone previously vaccinated to end up with it. There's also immunocompromised kids, infants before vaccine age..
CPTNNemo
true. The MMR vaccine is ~90% effective due to young age and interactions with immunity gained from mothers. Therefore you need 95% vacc lvl
Dionysus187
Also allows the virus to potentially mutate and render all vaccines useless so, yeah, kind of a big deal.
Salazanca
According to the CDC only 3% of people vaccinated would get it if they were in contact with someone with measles.
ITalkAboutGoats
Yeah, but would you want to be in that 3%
tiarali
Yeah, but if you're not immunized, your chance of getting it are a hell of a lot higher than 3%
ASideOfRice
3% of millions of people is still a lot of people
shinagami091
Wait but weren't the kids who got it vaccinated?
kiwiflavored
Vaccines don't render you immune, they "only" greatly speed up your immune response to a pathogen. Your immune system can still fail though.
kiwiflavored
Of course when more people are unvaccinated, the risk of vaccinated people to contract the disease rises as well since they're bombarded...
kiwiflavored
with pathogens from all sides. That's why vaccination is not just a matter of individual preference. Any unvaccinated idiot endangers every1
rabbiebabbie
Vaccines aren't 100% effective. Every body works differently also not everyone is healthy enough to get a vaccine. See herd immunity
tiarali
Not necessarily. Some are too young to be fully immunized, and some are unable to be immunised due to medical conditions.
lostnortherner
Yes. Which actually then reconfirms some people's concerns that vaccines don't work anyway, or that some batches are bad/ineffective.
exlurker42
Maybe if it gets widespread enough we could treat the movement as a domestic terrorist group?
CongratsYouAreHereNow
moer those fokkin cunts
Wholivesinapineappleunderthetree
Fuck me, is everything going to be classed as terrorism? Whats gardening, horticultural terrorism?Pissing in the sea, marine terrorism? Fuck
cousteau
Well, currently random assholes running over people with a car is called a terrorist attack
Wholivesinapineappleunderthetree
Because it is terrorism motivated a political ideology, whats ur point?
cousteau
That back in the day terror attacks were calculated planned attacks intended to induce fear. Now it's just a random asshole with an axe.
Wholivesinapineappleunderthetree
It's an over used term for sure
AwesomeName
They are using biological warfare, no prisoners!
exlurker42
Now we're cooking with gas. Wait....shit....now I'm a nazi
AveragegamerdudeBANNED1
Shit fam go wash yourself in the showers now you dirty dude
exlurker42
I know. I almost feel like I need to go to some kind of camp to get over this. A place where I could really concentrate on the issue.
RocketsRus
Once you get to the "camp", concentrate on your work. After all, it will set you free.
TheMasterDB8er
Nope, just junkrat.
krapmyself
Primed and ready!
exlurker42
...I don't actually know that that means
TheMasterDB8er
A character in overwatch who has a voice line saying "now we're cooking with gas!"
cousteau
Maybe we should legalize ownership of preventable diseases, so that if you infect others you can be fined and have to pay the damages.
cousteau
I mean, I imagine that's what would happen if you own a pet lion, it escapes and kills someone.
exlurker42
...there is a certain logic it
IronicUsername
As much as I detest the anti-vax movement, I'm a bit wary of labeling a misinformation campaign as terrorism.
Nyoibo83
I'm pretty sure some of them know what they're peddling is bullshit, but they're usually selling something so that's why they do it
exlurker42
I was kidding, but am also at a bit if a loss as to how to combat something like that
TheGamingBaconator
You can't fight stupidity.
exlurker42
Hence being at a loss
CreepyGingerKid
Simple, make it illegal to not. Or make them responsible for any deaths caused by that disease, if it's linked to them.
TheGamingBaconator
Like they would accept that. If it was illegal, SO many people would be in prison.
GoldenSama
Good. They're literally risking the lives of countless children because they don't like science. Fuck them.
RealFuckinNito
We could label it a mental disorder instead.
ConfirmologistUK
You guys realise this is an underhanded way of rebuffing them? Why not use argument to debunk their pernicious beliefs?
Hendlton
Because some people believe that the Earth is flat.You can't use argument on some people because they'll just say the government made it up.
RealFuckinNito
Actually I only meant it as a joke and prior comments will prove that indeed I agree with what you are saying 100%, and not only with 1/
MrWolfwood
Hundreds?
upvoteALLtheposts
Shhh. You'll confuse and frighten them.
avidday04
18 https://southafricatoday.net/south-africa-news/gauteng/measles-outbreak-in-gauteng/
MrWolfwood
but @op is like "HUNDREDS"
MissingImage
Honestly, as bad as I feel for the kids that aren't being vaccinated, unless we are going to call it some kind of cold abuse and take the...
MissingImage
kids to get their vaccines then let em all die. It sucks, but we either have to do something to protect these kids from their "parents"...
stormegedendarklordofall
But, like in this case the damage was done. The antivaxiers children may not have even died... It's not worth it.
MissingImage
or let them all go. You can't persuade these people with facts and known science, and you can't do it with religion. So law or nothing.
cousteau
Unfortunately this affects vaccinated people as well (to a lesser degree)
cousteau
Or people who haven't vaccinated yet or can't due to medical conditions.
SirDaveInUtah
I know a lady who is an Anti-Vaxxer and refuses to get her kids vaccinated Her hubby is not and took them behind her back to be vaccinated
bnye135
It is dangerous though if family doesn't communicate about what vaccines kids had :/
neospor1n
it is also dangerous if the mother doesnt know because now when the kid doesnt get sick she says "see, vaccines are pointless, i have proof"
Sylviastout
Good on him, saved their lives & possibly those around them
vowofloudness
Would have been cooler to have that conversation before he fucked her. I'm sure that's not the only insane thing she's doing to those kids.
myglassesarebiggerthanyours
Some people don't know they are antivax until after they have kids and stumble across an alarming article on Facebook.
vowofloudness
I think being certain your mate is not one of those people is an absolute prerequisite for responsible parenthood.
Kamasu0Tra
People change, especially after something like childbirth which has a huge batch of mental issues associated with it.
draykow
He should tell her so she doesn't credit her kid's health to "not being vaccinated".
Thisismyusernamenotyoursitsmine
Dadding
TheBufferkiller
If my ex were to ever tell me she's anti-vaccine, I'd take my son anyway and let her know afterward with a smile on my face.
Iamusuallyalurker
Wish I could do this with my granddaughter
Redandpurpleunicorns
I hope you get to do so.
itsybitsyspider
I knew a couple who were anti vaxx and religious. The lady said to me, "You should do your research and pray about it!"---
itsybitsyspider
-- I usually try to let things like that slide but I had to actually get firm with her and go, "I did do those things!"
HalfPintKatie
I "ho-ho-ho"-ed at this...well done dad!!
HighlandPotatoe
Hubby is to take kids for vaccines. I don't want my needle phobia rubbing off on them.
BertuQ
Go dad
simsom4343
as long as the kids know they are vaccinated, so they don't think not vaccinating is the right choice when they get their own kids...
sambaloelek
I could not marry a person who is anti vax. Some who doesn't understand the scientific method. Grounds for divorce.
fencer1964
#PreachTheTruth
rabbiebabbie
Seriously. It's not like a difference in religion or something. It's not something I could over look either.
VitameatavegaminItsSoTastyToo
Agreed. It used to be a no-brainer, but now it's a relationship deal breaker, and sometimes people switch their choices after having kids.
eazolan
It's a vaccine. I'd just go get the kids vaccinated.
taeg1
My French teacher is against modern medicine, and got REALLY sick. Like she missed 4-5 months of school and lost a lot of weight.
JimJamesJimothyHalpert
Alright, the weight loss part is cool
taeg1
... it's not a good version of weight loss
RoseTheSpecialEdTeacher
Make stuoid choices, win stupid prizes.
Brenbop
No joke my parents are antivaxx. I did a post about it. I did it behind their back when I turned 18 and got kicked out temporarily.
Philme
Wtf. But good on you for taking your health in your own hands.
SolidusPliskin
When does the autism kick in
Brenbop
Well it's been a few years but I think it's slowly creeping in
ICarpeYourDiems
you know Jim Jefferies & Kate Luyben???
toeshoes
"my kid's autistic it's all my fault my kid's autistic it's all my fault my kid's autistic it's all my fault..."
HellhathnofurylikeIdoLogan
I was looking for this
ICarpeYourDiems
Hadn't seen Kate before, just heard Jefferies' bit. A) holy smokes she's above his pay grade & b) she's been an accoutrement too much for me
Illthinkofausernamelater
Why is he with her? She's a danger to their kids.
AmyBethMegJo
Maybe in order to protect his kids as much as possible.
diregamer
Fear. Have you seen what divorce can do to a man? especially in certain states?
StumbleJunkie
If she was fully aware that she was harming them and chose to do it anyway out of maliciousness I am sure that a divorce would be (1/?)
PleaseMrLewisIsMyFatherImDoctorLewis
True story: my mom didn't have me or my sister vaccinated. My dad did. Now they're divorced. But mostly for other reasons.
StumbleJunkie
cumming real fast. However, in her mind she is "protecting" them which is a good trait to have in a mother and makes it (2/?)
StumbleJunkie
a "loving" act regardless of how clearly wrong/ignorant she is. That is a good trait to have in a mother and therefore =/= divorce. (3/4)
StumbleJunkie
But yeah, some education is clearly needed here (4/4)
Totallyscrewedinaustin
My husband is anti vax. The kids have been vaccinated!
Ivanaski
Good on you for marrying a retard. They need love too. Just leave him out of any heavy mental lifting
Nyoibo83
No offense to you, but your husband is an idiot
EvolvedLurker
I don't mean to insult you when I ask this, but did you know this before you married him?
MakesDepressivelySingleComments
Thats probably grounds for divorce for me.
CMcAwesomeville
Divorce is hard, they can change opinions. But I get where you're coming from. This is a matter of health and future of your kids 1/2
CMcAwesomeville
It's not like: I was married for 5 years, then I found out he was a Patriots fan.... 2/2
diregamer
Check their user name and I think it sadly answers your question.
cbaggs32
Asking the important questions.
Totallyscrewedinaustin
It's a recent development.
EvolvedLurker
I'm sorry to hear
odraencoded
A perfect couple doesn't exist. Relationships only last if you can manage differences like this.
C0mtraya
No hard feelings but this is pretty essential "difference" in thinking imo.
brendoncnz
As long as he didn't get in the way of her vaccinating the kids then its probably something they can get past
EvolvedLurker
You're right, it just seems like such a big difference.
IamtheFloridaMan
And that's why I'm single.
JapAnus
Also because I'm ugly and fat, but this too I guess.
SupercalifragilisticexpialidociousShenanigans
Are you sure it's not something you did or said? I've read many articles about your antics, Florida Man
krugle
Sometimes I wonder if people like anti-vaxers are nature's way of trying to knock down the human population.
cousteau
Scientific and medical research makes it easier for idiots to proliferate. Ever seen Idiocracy?
SomeSortaPsycho
nah I think that's homosexuality (not bashing gays so don't report)... there was an experiment a few years ago with mice that once they 1/2
SomeSortaPsycho
outgrew population size the environment could support they began to manifest over aggression and homosexuality
krugle
Didn't say slow down population, I said knock down population.
SomeSortaPsycho
well I think the diseases in the first place where designed to do that part, the problem is we still breed too fast even if millions die off
ITalkAboutGoats
Designed? I mean that's heavily implying there's a reason behind this and not random chaos. Diseases like this happen because we're not 1
GavinScreaming
That doesn't really make sense. Someone born gay in Nebraska has no idea there's billions of people in China and India
Greymalum
I get my kids vaccinated because I enjoy seeing children stabbed.
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AegonTargaryenTheSixthOfHisName
No.
DesignatedAwper21
What was the post? He deleted it.
AegonTargaryenTheSixthOfHisName
Something about "oh then you'd be ok with child porn" which is NEVER an appropriate comment in my opinion.
DesignatedAwper21
Yea, that's fucked up.
whatwverwhatever
malfunctionm1ke
Woah, easy there Satan...
Slayman3909
Terella
I'm pretty sure they were doing it wrong.
pragmatao
Good enough reason as any.
rcame26
If you gotta get something done may as well find enjoyment
Trumpcard814
Or find enjoyment in something that happens to also be necessary
MyNameIsHorace
RainbowUnicode
Thanks for that chuckle.
CrypticTree
tg2222222
You should try doing the stabbing. Bliss.
calichillionaire
If you like hearing a small child scream bloody fucking murder come with me when my daughter gets shots. She's a 25lb air raid siren.
ShannonLea1218
How do you think she'd scream when she's dying of a preventable disease?
calichillionaire
This one of those things people say to you anonymously on the internet.
DarkUranium
Time to drop the bomb and tell 'er to shut up!
DoublevBomb
I never cried when I was four. "It's a little poke to help prevent you from dieing a terrible and needless death". Okay. Can I have a candy?
michonnedisapproves
Yeah when you're four you don't exactly comprehend the seriousness of it, so I highly doubt that was what went through your mind
DoublevBomb
Or they like...tell you why it's important.
MissArnie
Exactly, even so i never understood why people cry about it, not scary at all. just a little jab and tbh its fun to wiggle ur arm around.
crochetingsteelmagnolia17
My little brother never cried either. He growled instead, it was hilarious!
Omnislash9
I busted a nurse's nose :/
everythingismelting
You were a really adult kid.
simsom4343
a terrible and needle-less death
CiderChugginBitch
My little brother ran from the office and hid for thirty minutes before we could give him his shots. He's the kid that needs to be tied down
DoublevBomb
I think those are the ones you give the shot to without telling them, lol, if at all possible.
CiderChugginBitch
Never told him. But the moment the nurse came in with the needle he ran. I have no clue how they deal with it.
SupercalifragilisticexpialidociousShenanigans
I hugged my pillow & didn't look. Until I needed huge thigh ones & they told me would hurt bad in advance. I believe I ran around the room
screamingshits
my BIL started yelling I GOTTA GO SHIT! I GOTTA GO SHIT! and got a spanking when they got back home LOL this was in the 70's
PennyJaye
My 3yo didn't cry when she had a jab in each arm a few weeks ago, despite the child before her screaming their head off!
festivefaux
I'm 18 and I still scream my head off D:
Odiin46
SO THAT WAS YOU SCREAMING BEFORE PENNY'S CROTCH-GOBLIN
DoublevBomb
Yeah, I recall being in the school gym and watching ALL of the other kids in tears. I guess I've just never been afraid of needles.
PennyJaye
I think she's like me. I'm terrified but I internalise fear and pain. I gave birth to my first in almost silence!
TheRaiderofRandom
When they're young it seems to be a personality quirk. The screamers tend to be needy.
HaroldStewartIII
Jehovah's Witnesses have some pretty fucked up ideals when it comes to taking advantage of modern medicine. But even they vax.
thegamethesis
thanks, I guess.
HaroldStewartIII
You're welcome, I guess. What's wrong?
rabbiebabbie
Anyone who doesn't believe in blood transfusions is a retard in my book
cousteau
Not wanting to save their own life is up to them. When this affects other people as well things change.
cousteau
…Another comment pointed out how this'd mean refusing their kids to get a blood transfusion. I stand corrected.
Pulseless
I know its probably not common but medical boards love using the scenario of a JW couple refusing life-saving transfusions for their kids.
HaroldStewartIII
Yeah, that's what I hate about their beliefs the most. They'll let their children die if they need a transfusion or transplant. Shits crazy.
rabbiebabbie
That's some serious brainwashing to refuse a treatment that will save your child and choose to just hope it'll work out and pray
HaroldStewartIII
Agreed. One of the best life decisions I ever made was getting out of that religion.
boxmeister
They don't what now? Why??
HaroldStewartIII
The blood is sacred blah blah blah. They're not allowed to accept transfusions.
TheBlackWindHowls
Excellent. More for me.
boxmeister
Well that's just selfish
CthulhusGreasyBallsack
how is is selfish is they are the ones refusing blood?
HaroldStewartIII
It is, but they honestly believe that their kids won't get to enjoy Paradise on Earth if they recieve a transfusion or transplant, which...
Riptide00
What's the worst that could happen? Oh... outbreak of a deadly, contagious disease.
rohittee1
Or pointless death of a child who never got a choice in the matter.
AustrailanSecurityIntelligenceOrganisation
impostersquall
Wait what?
Sarahsmomhasgotitgoingon
Question, if there the only family who didn't get the vaccination, how is everyone else catching it if they do have the vaccination?
BluePaladin42
Likely the kids getting it are mostly too young to get the vaccine. Possibly some have a medical condition that prevents getting the vax.
youareandshallalwaysbemyfuzzy
HIGHLY CONTAGIOUS disease. You just need to be in a room with someone with measles to get it...
icelandicsealbear
I'm about to get political, but when people thought the enemies were at our gates, they believed in science and engineering. This to me...
icelandicsealbear
Is the perfect metaphor.
SatansBossDeath
The bible tells us to not protect our children! to do so is against our religion! well why does your religion want children to die?
justbecauseihaveto
Really? If they are all vaxxed how is the "unvaxxed" family a problem?
RayveniaSylversun
Because some people can't be vaccinated due to other medical issues, and the vaccine is not 100% just a greatly reduced chance.
CrypticTree
bluechipmunk
<.< This is what I get for browsing random. +1 good buddy.
vecna03
You forgot some stuff. I'll add it. "Deadly, contagious disease that will cripple survivors and was wiped out nearly a century ago"
Maranour
I agree, and it's not like our government isn't already divided on every single important issue...
Selerox
Anti-vaxxers are intellectual untermensch and deserve to be treated as such.
MindlessChaos
The problem is lack of quality screening and people getting around the system. It's not a coincidence that the outbreaks are in the (1)
MindlessChaos
migrant areas... It's ridiculous that these things should even be a concern in our society. (2/2)
Bundacious
Me to rustle up and angry torch weilding mob and pay those fuckers a visit!!!
Angrypotato21
#raccooncity
SirHappi
The thing is it won't cause mass death in developed regions, which coincidentally is where these pee-brained fucks live. Because the 1/2
SirHappi
people from undeveloped regions have the seen the worst shit and they don't want to experience it. 2/2
36roentgen
I was thinking the end of the world but that works too.
RhetoricalRobot
Measles isn't a deadly disease in any meaningful way.
themuttonisniceandlean
It did kill some, but it could also lead to scarring, sterility, blindness, infections, long term health problems, depending upon severity.
entropyk
Absolutely. I'm old enough to remember entire neighborhoods ill. Had classmates who walked with braces. We got the first that came out, 2
entropyk
A sugar cube with the vaccine culture, oral Sabin-Saulk or something, and the newer ones as they happened. My children were ill very few 3
Hekatombe
Salk was the injection and the first polio vaccine. Sabin is the sugar cube vaccine. It is the cheapest and most effective polio vaccine.
Hekatombe
The reason Salk (IPV) vaccine is used in the western world is because it is safer. Sabin vaccine have a 1:2.7million risk of paralysis, VAPP
Hekatombe
http://www.who.int/immunization/diseases/poliomyelitis/endgame_objective2/oral_polio_vaccine/VAPPandcVDPVFactSheet-Feb2015.pdf
entropyk
times. Me and my siblings were constantly ill with something.It is incredulous that someone would refuse to protect their children.
ChrisLucas1
Can't get autism if they die
BYBT
I get why you say that, but they cited religious reasons, not fear of autism. Not that that's less idiotic
ikbenlike
I like how some religious people claim that God is the only one who can judge, and then they just go on and judge others
MyDixyRect
darkhavana0512
FireBelow
But how does the outbreak happen, if the other people are vaccinated?
lostnortherner
As I recently found out - vaccinations aren't 100% - my niece got the chickenpox vaccine and got chicken pox 2 weeks later.
themuttonisniceandlean
That vaccine is not as effective as others, but likely your niece got a less serious case. Also 2 wks isn't long enough to be fully immune.
Nodyarb
That and every body takes the vaccine differently, such as i never got chicken pox, but one of my sisters did. And yes, were all vaccinated
rabbiebabbie
There are lots of kids not vaccinated cause they are too young or for health reasons like compromised immune system from cancer or a disease
rabbiebabbie
They rely on other people to get vaccinated in order to be protected from herd immunity which requires at least 90% pop. Immunized
ProphetTenebrae
To be truly effective, you need to hit a critical level of vaccination to achieve herd immunity - which is why anti-vaxxers are cancer.
ojakojako
Was given the whooping cough vaccination and it almost killed me. Just saying. Don't kill me
themuttonisniceandlean
Whooping cough almost killed me.
elfearlightcouncil3000
Sorry you had a bad reaction, hope you're staying safe n stuff
ojakojako
Cheers dude. T'was when I was a but a wee baby.
minimalsix
Measles isn't deadly, but ok.
Boosted8onobo
Well ain't you a special snowflake?
Drag0nF1RE
In 2015, there were 134,200 measles deaths globally. Ya know, not deadly at all.
SciGuy
No, it definitely is. Like... really, really definitely.
Redenbacher09
I agree, but far less deadly in developed countries. https://doi.org/10.1086/377712
sovietracism
I'll let the kids who died know that measles isn't deadly and they should recover soon.
PoliticalAutisticScreeching
SPICYDlCKMlLK
Neither is a bullet to the brain... I dare you to prove me wrong...
Smayds
You have to simply vaccinate against bullets to the brain by inoculating with smaller bullets.
SPICYDlCKMlLK
My bad, and thanks for educating me.
sovietracism
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/
aseeminglyniceguy
They didn't read the article apparently "Most people recover in two to three weeks, "However, particularly in malnourished ..."
YourMemeSucksHarderThanaDyson
Please look this up. It was common that people survived but it's deadly. And many people that contract it feel as if they're dying.
isaidworstcase
I've gotta go refresh my memory - so, I asked stupidly - the vaccine doesn't prevent people in proximity from catching measles?
dangerkitty
For certain individuals, there are medical reasons they can't vac. For them, they must rely on others for protection.
ikbenlike
Yup. This is another reason I hate antivaxxers, they weaken the heard immunity
Snowdemoman
To clarify, a vaccinated individual won't get infected or be able to transmit the disease.
rabbiebabbie
Correct in theory but of course no vaccine is 100% effective every body is unique and can react differently
Nifty255
Technically, vaccines only prepare the body to fight the associated disease. It isn't a magical shield that prevents contracting it.
ChrisLucas1
Losing the herd immunity is crappy
MrNohbdy
Deadly but preventable disease.
rickeyspanish
the last death in the USA by measles was in 1992. Lets not go overboard here.
Juuha
And the reason for that? Oh right, the vaccines.
rickeyspanish
um well lets take a look in 1962 before the vaccine. 700 deaths. 10 kids die a year from the MMR vaccine. Flu kills several thousand
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DarkZalgo
And a .001% problem rate is a reason to let a deadly disease resurface? Even there are 10 deaths per year from the vaccine like you say.
Kalboyo
Preventable with vaccines. Huh. Guess they should have vaccinated.
isuckatbeingfunnysoipostcoolgeologicfeatures
Thanks darwin
justbecauseihaveto
Yep, and the inference here is that the area was all vaccinated until this family moved in. So just how were these "vaxxed" people affected
ImNotAnOrange
pretty sure thats the entire point of this post
Danishlmgurian
It just makes it even worse
BleachItsWhatsForDinner
Smoking- check, drinking- check, over eating- che... Wait a minute... Define "over"
TacoPrime
So if I have been vac against it can it still infect me?
BethMPositivityBeast
Only if your immune system sucks I think
Redandpurpleunicorns
It can, however if you're vaccinated your body has the antibodies to fight it off straight away.
liliantbn
Immunity from vaccines gradually wears off so if you don't get a booster shot for them depending on your age your immunity is almost gone.
mallywanders
Some people's immune systems do not produce or maintain antibodies as they should, like how some people can get chicken pox multiple times
mallywanders
So there's a chance you could still catch something you've been vaccinated for. For most though, an adequate time between shot and exposure
mallywanders
Will be enough for their bodies to build a proper immunity.
mart1216
I totally have the chicken pox right now for the second time! No joke. It's terrible
Sheprador
It's possible. No vaccine is 100% effective. However, with appropriate compliance it won't matter as herd immunity will protect you.
GerberLegalTeam
So is it like this? If a is vac and b is unvac then it's 90% effective for a. But if a & b are vac then it's 99% effective for both?
DeepFriedMemesExclusively
Here I stole a gif about it
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mallywanders
Imagine you put animal shaped sponges in plastic bags. Some, like giraffe sponges, are just not shaped right to fit all the way in a bag, so
mallywanders
They're still exposed. These are immunocompromised people. Others, like elephant sponges, can't be put in bags at all. These are people who,
StateOfPlague
Most viruses can mutate and either become a new strain, or become resistant to vacs, but that's really unlikely (iirc from my bio class)
ikbenlike
Vacs work by introducing the virus itself, so your body makes antigens. This means you can't get "immune" to vacs, but (1/2)
mkingi
It won't 100% guarantee not getting sick, but it does make the infection less bad. It lowers the risk of serious complications (e.g., death)
magisch
Lets say the vac is on avg 95% effective. If everyone is vac'd then there will be maybe 1 or 2 people getting sick, but they won't be able
magisch
to spread the disease because everyone around them is resistant. Now the person that can't get vaccinated won't get infected either because
magisch
statistically, everyone around them is resistant and the virus dies out from a lack of hosts.
Sheprador
Not really, I don't think. It depends on the individual to an extent. Not every individual who is vaccinated has an appropriate response (1)
Sheprador
But if enough people are vaccinated who DO have an appropriate response, then the original person won't be exposed.
GerberLegalTeam
Ok. But the take away is if the herd is immunized it's much less likely for it to even get to that person in the first place, right?
jangoblamba
Australia finally banned kids who don't get vax'd into public schools. A lot of US schools should look to do the same to prevent this shit
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stsword
Ohio allows for exceptions based on religious or personal objections, which means no, it's not really required.
Djdoubleb
As a father in the USA, my children's school system requires shots be up to date.
Greymalum
Our daycare providers require it in my state.
Delta2279
As logical as this is, and helpful if might be....thst would be logical and helpful towards the greater good, but that isn't 1/
Delta2279
/what the goal of the United States Congress is.
freckledkink
Mississippi does this. This is something we're actually #1 in the nation about!
themuttonisniceandlean
http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/State+slogans+part+1+of+5+center+alabama+center_4b8ee4_5479029.jpg
exlurker42
When I was in school vaccination records were required to stay enrolled. Hell even I'm college I had to get the new ones.
exlurker42
In college*
BlackoutAU
No, Australia certainly didn't. The government is talking about banning them from childcare. Currently if your child isn't vaccinated 1/2
BlackoutAU
2/2 are unable to get some family tax benefits worth around 2K a year. But currently un-vaccinated kids aren't banned from anything.
stoneyman
when I went to kindergarten, in Los Angeles, Ca, it was required to show proof of shots before parents could enroll me....
Hornchief
They do
Heathermaywho
Texas does. I've actually sent kids home, per nurse's orders on several occasions.
TheRaiderofRandom
More power to ya!
impostersquall
it was that way for my highschool. if you didnt have your shots you couldnt attend the next grade.....
kats14052718
They do... just not all vaccines
rickeyspanish
I have 7 kids and have lived across 3 different states and multiple cities. You cannot attend public school without them
stsword
it's probably changed, but in 2014, 48 states allowed religious exemptions, and 20 states allowed personal exemptions to vaccinations.
rickeyspanish
without getting downvoted hopefully. I tried the religious exemption. It basically only works for homeschool. no dice in public school
MrJoshua1989
In NJ, you must get your kids vaccinated before they can go to public school
Rektastic
my high school doesn't allow you to attend your senior year if you don't get your second meningitis vaccination
fistermatic5000
Most states, a parent has to show immunization records to register their child for public school.
Joemammayomamma
It is that way. No public school without vaccines. The tough part is to convince the religious fundamental schools to comply
callmethelizardqueen
Actually public schools let whiny anti-vax parents change policy so a simple "we don't do that note" replaces shot records.
FirstStepsIntoPoland
That's how it used to be when I went to school here in the U.S...No vaccine, no public school...as it should
sakireis
Yeah. Here in the US we have to have shots to enroll. I don't know about private schools tho. Probably handle things differently.
stsword
47 states allow for religious exceptions, 18 states allow for exceptions based on personal objections. Other than CA, WV, or MS, so no.
sakireis
Just goes to show how much I pay attention.
stsword
Well it's not something that's going to get attention from the media until a problem arises.
MagicSquid
They already do and have for at least 30 years.
stsword
47 out of the 50 states allow for religious or personal exemptions, if not both.
Doodleyduds
In CO ~'09 I was behind on my Tdap (as were others) at 14 and was threatened to be expelled if I didn't get it.
286893
Northern California has started enforcing this
SquanchingonImgur
Yeah they fixed all that
Deadpo0l
My sister-in-law is SUPER anti-vax because her sister told her to be. As a result she's talking about homeschooling my niece and nephew.
snarkypsych
MOST public schools do require vaccines, but parents can get around it. Unfortunately there are drs always willing to sign the waiver.
rusalka
I only went to private schools, don't curse us with those crazies! Ban them from all schools.
zma123456
NY state already does this. You can't attend school here unless you are vaxxed.
stsword
NY allows for religious exemptions.
Rummskartoffel
They shouldn't ban the children from school, they should make vaccinations mandatory for children, whether their parents want it or not.
theMantisTobogganMD
They should be held responsible for the hospital bill for all that contracted the disease
slack3rdav3
I think the current administration is trying to do away with public schools in general. They just tryin to get that money
HaroldLostHisPurpleCrayon
I am a huge fan of this. I work in special ed with many students who physically can't get vax'd. I really hope the US starts requiring them
HaroldLostHisPurpleCrayon
I should clarify, Washington state! Bc they don't here. I didn't know some states already do. But it should seriously be a fed requirement
Xieko
My coworker has a toddler and she refuses to get him vaccines because he got sick after once. I can't take this girl seriously ever again.
steikewaffel
That's fascism, you would love Hitler. It's also junk science, you'd love Bill Nye, and Penn and Teller. Now go fuck a garden hose.
ZebraCockSandwich
So here's the thing, my kids still do REQUIRE a shot record of immunizations before they are allowed to enter the school year. The kicker...
ZebraCockSandwich
is that all you have to do to avoid this is pretty much a. show a drs note stating allergy to the shot, or b. just tell them its against ...
ZebraCockSandwich
your beliefs, and they just go "oh, ok, come on in then" - because you know, that makes sense.
Repostcomments
Australia is smart like that, a people mostly full of common sense. Mostly.
neech
Our president is an ati-vaxer so I doubt it will happen in the next 4 years. Too many stupid people believe everything he says.
Ididthisforthelol
I want us to try just to watch all the butthurt soccer moms uproar in displeasure.
yamiseirei
They cant get welfare either if they've got unvaccinated kids
INoLongerCareBoutThisName
It's bad when kids who can't have vaxes are in danger cuz kids than can don't. Makes it worse for us all
thepsudo
Lots of US schools already do that.
appleshampooooo
Australia won't subsidies childcare for daycare if you don't vax kids.
TheRaiderofRandom
It used to be mandatory. We had to bring proof before they would enroll us.
PraiseMyEggs
In my area public schools are not allowed to prevent a student from attending
ozmaofoz
Southern California here, its banned in my school district
RanaldMcDanald
Here where I live we have to gey vaxxed for college too not only school.
Shellbear3000
I swear I thought it was when I was little. I remember we couldn't officially enroll until we provided a shot record.
hersbad
yeah it most definitely used to be that way, until those idiots started suing and demanding religious protections..good Lord. ????????
forte10
I believe we did, here in California. But it was an uphill battle.
Ulthirm
It used to be that way here too. Intact I just had to give my school the list that verifies it.
DoublevBomb
It's happened in parts of eastern Canada too. Some 200+ kids were suspended in PEI or somewhere recently for such a reason.
CTHULUBUBBY
Isn't it like this or only some states? I had to get several shots to go to middle school
Affray
I'm in Canada and when I was in school kids who weren't vaccinated weren't allowed to go to school. I thought everywhere did this.
dietderpsy
That has been a thing in Ireland since forever.
lugasss
From now we're doing the same even in Italy , in every kind of school (not only public)
SaveMeSalem
In Tennessee you have to have all your vaccinations. Is this not how it is in all states?
NamesAreStupid
That's how it used to be, couldn't enroll until you were up to date.
PoliticalAutisticScreeching
I think it depends on where you are in the U.S. Where I am you can't go to 7th grade without having the proper vaccines.
lolly93
I never get my vax because i was never at the age to do so but my school doesnt check in on it really
Devan24x7
Thats how it was when i was growin up.
TheCloney
Also affects the Family Tax Benefit as well. These are the kinds of people who should be shunned from society.
ioncethoughtiwashalfcathalfwitchhalfhuman
Its the usa. Too many people care about not caring, Everything is too big, and somebody will find a way to make money off of it.
amop
should just be illegal, its a threat to national security
Betterwithcoffee
Most public school districts still do this, but there's been a rise in private and charter schools in the USA; many of them do not.
DaisyfromDownunder
Not true. Schooling is compulsory from 5 to 15years
thegreatninjaman
i don't know how i feel about this. on one hand its extremely important but on the other, there is an obvious breach of liberty forcing this
ForgivingCat
It's my liberty to spread disease.
Voggix
Your Liberty does not extend to the harm of others by your negligence. You want the benefits of a society there are costs.
thegreatninjaman
thats why its conflicting.
Imapancakenom
People are welcome to home school their kids or enroll them in private schools. If you want to join society you must conform to the rules.
SteveMcCroskey
The speed limit is also an obvious breach of liberty, but you don't live in a vacuum
helpim18whatshappening
The trial run of the vaccine against meningococcal is coming to my school, while i hate needles, a prick in the arm and a throat swab is 1/2
helpim18whatshappening
better than debilitating pain and possible death.
IHazAwoken
This is already a thing in public schools. Anti-vaxers have found a way to take shot records
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IHazAwoken
Well inner city school districts lile mine have it mandated. They won't let you start until the shot records are turned in
IHazAwoken
*Fake.
ForgotMyOtherAcct
Isn't that a felony?
RoseFaery
It really should be
magnificent87liver
In Illinois public colleges won't even allow you without vaccines.
DaphneNicole
I go to Illinois State University and we still had a mumps outbreak last month .
plamboo
Same in Georgia I had to get a bunch of vaccines before I went to college
Lifestyleoftheridgeandthefamous
Community college won't admit you until they receive MMR vaccine verification
somehowrelevantusername
Wow Illinois actually did something right
threecheersforsweetrevenge
Before I started college (I live in Ohio) i had to present them with my shot records and get the rest of my shots
requindiable42
Me too, I had to prove I had em. Northern Arizona University
Demenster
When i came to Texas they require a few and i was happy/surprised
themuttonisniceandlean
I had to get several more vaccinations when I moved to Texas as I didn't have some that they required.
Kilsim1v
Same in Washington (state) schools
ITalkAboutGoats
Are there medical exceptions like for kids with cancer
Vercci
People who deny access to people with proper medical exceptions are gonna get reamed harder than anti-vaxxers
Roger8086
It wouldn't surprise me if they were executed. That's the kind of thing that makes a parent desperate enough to turn to murder.
darkdragonempress
Not sure about that particular instance but in every other situation I know medical exemptions are always allowed.
Skittleballs
Fuck yes. The world needs this asap
YuckyCharms0000
Shame for the kids who deserve an education. Eff stupid adults.
MuayThaiwinLannister
"No shots, no school, no kidding" was always a thing where I'm from. Thought it was everywhere...
PandraPierva
It used to be that way at least in my schools...not sure anymore
Randersuarus
Yeah, it was always a pink sheet that we brought every year. Couldn't register without it, even up into high school
SquigglyBeast
I was gonna say this, I remember I couldn't get into school without my vaccinations
spookyu
It used to be, but now they run the risk of litigation based on "discrimination" because of their ass backwards beliefs.
isaacrosario9
That's how it is in New Jersey. You have to get vaccinated or you can't go to the public school. Not sure how the private schools operate
SuckitPUPPS
No, historically there has always been exemptions. Bad rates were a lot lower in the 70s / 80s too
ImHereToGetDownvotes
It still is in my school district. You need a note from a doctor saying you literally can't get vaccinated to not have to.
liliantbn
The doctor has to sign you excempt if he receives legal proof of your belief. Or the school is the one excempting.
FoxGodRecords
Missouri requires vaxxing for all students unless there is a medical or religious exemption. Exemptions are on file, and if there's an 1/2
FoxGodRecords
2/2 outbreak, your kid(s) will be barred from school until the outbreak ends. Also, YOUR KID(S) COULD DIE, DUMBASS!
delfin05
You can get notes exciting it apparently. Found out I have a co-worker who's mom is ani-vax. She graduates this year. Oh and she too is anti
otebear
It's still required, but anyone can claim religious exemption and the school can't challenge it.
Kurothct
I was told I had to get a tetanus shot or I'd be kicked out of high school 8 years ago. Idk anymore
bamblebimble
Nope, you can just say it's against your religion. That's what they do.
sandybuttcheeks
But mah religious freedom! I'll sue!
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Voggix
Bullshit
schtomp
He's not scapegoating religion, the personal belief exemption is required due to freedom of religion clause in the constitution.
unknownSubscriber
Thats not the driving force behind antivax movement.
schtomp
Didn't say it was, I said that religious protection is what prevents blanket mandatory vaccination in the US.
sandybuttcheeks
What's the worst that can happen if we target people based on religion? Psh, worry wart..
GinjerbreadMan
Make all the money you can :) You'll need it for your healthcare <3
sandybuttcheeks
Just to clarify, my comment was sarcasm. I absolutely hate anti-vaxers.
GinjerbreadMan
Totally! I was with you :) I didn't mean to come off rude :P
sandybuttcheeks
Nah you're good, it's just hard to tell over text sometimes so I wanted to clear things up
Rifneno
I mean, if your god is against protecting kids from disease, maybe you should find a god who isn't a cock.
exerminator2115
Careful, Ireland may charge you with blasphemy!
The701
"I want to protect my kids from the diseases you made. May I?" || "No." || "Oh, ok, I guess. I love you!"
SuperBobKing
That shouldn't be a valid reason, for the exact same reason that extremists blowing themselves up doesn't fall under freedom of religion.
mindstorm8191
You wanna blow yourself up, go right ahead! Doesn't bother me any - just don't do it in some crowded marketplace! Leave me out of it
NickRivieraMD
This is in South Africa tho.
kittybuttwiggle
The U.S. struggling with some of the same issues as South Africa should be a wakeup call.
jakslasher
Ha ha. Muricans. Got to be the centre of everything.
ImHereToGetDownvotes
It should extend past schools too. I don't want my child going to a day care, park, doctor's office, etc. where one asshole parent's 1/?
HighlandPotatoe
It's pretty standard for a lot of UK daycares, only those have been vaccinated or can't be vaccinated are allowed in.
ImHereToGetDownvotes
stupidity could get the whole class sick or worse. 2/2
themuttonisniceandlean
Everything I sign my kid up for, scouts, camp, day care, preschool, all seem to require it but there's always a way out.
ImHereToGetDownvotes
Why do I feel like this is going to take on it's one "That's racist" kind of behavior in a few years? "How dare you not 1/?
ImHereToGetDownvotes
let my un-vaxed by my choice child into your day care, That's anti-vaxist!" 2/2
Juicytoast
Durong my admission process to elementary school in 2000, we were required. Not sure why it changed.
Juicytoast
Also this was in Pennsylvania, USA.
SupercalifragilisticexpialidociousShenanigans
Michigan here. Required. Never tried to not have something, but I imagine it'd be a pain in the ass
stsword
Michigan allows for religious and personal objection exemptions
rshini
Because the "Mah religion requires me to be a dickhead to everyone else" movement started and anti-vaxxers rode on their coattails
jesuisjens
I'm not sure if I support the idea, the kids obviously have retarded parents, so how does pushing them towards homeschooling helps? 1/
ILikeQuiteHeavyMetal
I'm glad someone said it!! These parents irritate the hell out of me, but it doesn't make sense to punish the kids for havin idiotic parents
kittybuttwiggle
It's not punishing the kid so much as preventing the other kids from being punished despite doing the right thing.
jesuisjens
If the kids end up being vaccinated it's great, if they get home schooled they are fucked.
KillerHeels
And still an outbreak happens in perth. Mate is pregnant with her 1st and immune is low. Terrified she'll lose the baby.
bloatedplutocrat
I'm sure DeVos will get right on that.
TomBrokaw
But first... BEARS!
TheDuke0fHazzard
No matter who was in charge, the Dep of Ed wouldn't be involved in this. Situations like this are decided on the state level.
shackslam
Banning public schools that is.
MrMemethief
Can't catch measles from a kid at school if there are no schools *taps forehead*
MissDashLisa
Can't catch measles if there are no kids left cause they all.... died... From measles.... Wait.... What?
ididnothavesexwiththatwoman
RobertNAdams
You know, states are perfectly capable of making laws and many already have.
bloatedplutocrat
Good thing measles follow the state laws of their host and don't cross state lines.
TheDuke0fHazzard
It's a slippery slope once the feds start setting standards for schools, even if it is for a good cause like this one.
stsword
I live in a state that had a factory explosion. I remember one of the local politicians explaining that it wasn't the government's job 1/2
RobertNAdams
I'd wager that factory wasn't OSHA-compliant to begin with, the federal agency that would handle such things.
stsword
Probably not, after all, why give OSHA enough money to do the job, when there are 1%ers who need more hookers and drugs money?
stsword
2/3 to prevent factory explosions. Living in a state in which the polis can't even pretend to care if I live or die doesn't really
stsword
3/3 induce me to trust them to actually care if people live or die.
Aquatomahawk
California already does this. If there is a outbreak they pull the kids from school
BethMPositivityBeast
I Do believe the new law in California states that all children must be vaccinated to be allowed into public schools now. Religious beliefs1
BethMPositivityBeast
Are no longer an exemption. Only exemption are people with compromised immune systems but I still don't think they allow them in
BethMPositivityBeast
Checked again and only people with a real medical condition get exemptions. They are allowed to attend. Religious waivers are not issued.
RobertNAdams
Good.
ajpimpsalll
but they shouldn't even be allowed in.
nasukkin
They don't. At least they didn't when I was in highschool 15 years ago.
RobertNAdams
Anti-vax wasn't as big of a problem 15 years ago. It'll change as more children die.
houseofprimetofu
New law passed that kids without vaccines cannot be enrolled in schools. Triggerd homeschooling big time.
Tisbutafleshwound
Good. Keep your crazy in your own house.
houseofprimetofu
Sad thing is, those kids won't get a good education :(