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Imacatflushingthetoilet
American politicians - how about no
VictimAndVillain
It's really Health Insurance companies and other special interests putting money in the Politicians' pockets, leaning on them to say no.
DuckPlanetKing
So it’s the politicians then.
HighSorcerer
American politicians: It's a good thing they put you in a garbage can because we're just gonna throw you out.
Audioclark
I process loans for a living and medical debt is the #1 reason why people get denied. Utterly ridiculous when there are proven solutions.
balsamicninja
No money in solutions
Sechran
Those "proven solutions?" To those in power, "medical debt" isn't the problem - "profit preservation" and "campaign contributions" are.
Richter12x2
Well yes, the proven solutions involve making the hunting of pharmaceutical executives and lobbyists legal.
Userlivewire
They don’t want solutions. They want debtors.
Gartetan
They don’t want solutions. They want indentured servitude.
Godawful8888
I declared bankruptcy because of medical debt. My credit score rose
CoachMcgurl
I DECLARE...BANKRUPTCY!!!!
Userlivewire
How long ago was that?
Godawful8888
5 years ago
MobLash2828
Same in Norway. Except teeth.
MonsoonPoultryHospital
Cdn here: I spent 7 hours in the ER a few weeks ago and have another specialist appt in Feb. It cost me precisely $0.
snowinmyboots
He must be in Canada
Gibramovic
Those damn healthy commies!! Can someone please think in capitalists who can't benefit from desesse and suffer!!
wlfman
reminds me of 30 Rock when Jack's wife (can't remember name) was having a baby in Canada - "we will find someone to take our money!"
djangojazz
As a US person the rest of the world seems like a dream of functioning governments
zrXO
season 2?
CrixusMaximus
I believe so. I binged it so fast, it’s a blur though.
MyBallsSpellAmazingInBraille
*An
mordenkhan
It’s the same in the us. Just remember to give a fake name.
IwishIwasJamesBond
Ted Lasso. Feel good series adressing serious topics. Love it.
graycore
Coach played Jesus in community. Such a great guy. Ha
TrueLegateDamar
Fuck Nate though.
coronakilla
I thought Nate was a kind, feel food underdog? Something happen in season 2?
TrueLegateDamar
He became extremely entitled and paranoid, leaked Ted's panic attacks to the press and then joined the ex-husband to headcoach his team.
w1k2
Umm… spoilers!
RIPSlurmsMckenzie
Nate is a sad little guy that just repeats abuse.
MrBismarck
Even Nate spits on Nate.
HiMyNameIsKevinIHaveChangnesia
Don’t hate Nate, he’s just a kid looking for a father. He’s terrified he let Ted down & he’s just lashing out. Ted’ll set him straight.
Macewindow54
I don't think Nate is coming back. He's a lesson for Ted: you can't save everyone
SolarOnions
Nah that doesn’t give him a pass on me not hating him. He knew what he was doing and was actively trying to ruin Ted. Fuck Nate
HiMyNameIsKevinIHaveChangnesia
Several ppl have actively tried to ruin Ted. And he loves & forgives them all. It is literally the show’s whole schtick.
SolarOnions
It’s also part of the show that Ted is sometimes too forgiving. That’s why Coach Beard pushed him to confront Nate rather than wait for him
Fengor
I was on a school trip to the UK many years ago when a student broke her arm. She was in and out of a hospital in 5hrs and it cost like £10.
DisobidientAvacado
Hah I finally got insurance after most of my life with none and I’m too scared to go to the hospital because the bill might wipe my savings
BaronSpaghetti
Look. No matter how many times you point it out to us, we’re still NEVER going to be allowed to have this.
WeAreTheRobots
Had got a nasty cut on my head from playing soccer, went in showed my health card, sat down, 20 min and 8 staples later went home #canada
AbhainnFuil
I recall Michael Moore doc on NHS, he spied the payment counter, took a look, hospital was paying the patients, reimbursing travel costs.
DenounceAll
American Conservatism - not even once
Rkhbusa
I've said it many times, if the US could just wrap up their nightmare healthcare I'd like to move where it's warmer - Canadian
CptJohnYossarian
Turns out the real shit hole country was the friends we made along the way.
Mkonemo
let me state it: USA have been turning into a dystopian country a few decades ago... and it's worsening
kyro
Oh, thanks for letting us know. This is the first we've heard about it.
Mkonemo
Well, at least 50% of USA citizen look to be ok and accustomed to it, but as a European each time sounds crazy & fucked up as the 1st one
AgentCatherine
The ones that have money don’t care, the ones that are broke are too busy trying to survive to do anything about it.
Mkonemo
I agree. This sounds as the origin and the outcome of the issue at the same time. A dog chasing it's own tail. :-(
Newlyof
We really need to start paying attention to the details of new healthcare bills to make elements are not being made accessible 1/?
Newlyof
To outside commerical operations to embed themselves. Even if they are doing good we need to understand what they are doing.2/2
stronomer
Germany doesn't have universal healthcare but mandatory health insurance, with a fraction of salary paying for it. Works.
fowlersleftfoot
Do the unemployed or those unable to work get state subsidised insurance of the same standard?
TobiFuenke
Yes, the state pays your fees in times of unemployment or when you are not able to work.
fowlersleftfoot
Richter12x2
We tried that. If it hadn't been a black man that finally made it happen, it might have worked here, too.
W92Baj
Same thing
stronomer
My kids are included in my healthcare until they're in college. Any doc, anything.
halfwindsor
Well, so long as you and your kids are OK
stronomer
? Of course they are ok, they are included in full healthcare coverage. So even if they are not ok they are ok.
Evi1Gav
And how much does that cost you and your employer?
TobiFuenke
It’s 14.6% of your income, 405 € max. The employer has to pay the same amount. Kids are included till the age of 26.
stronomer
Exactly. It's part of my benefit package and is fixed in percentage. I'd also be covered if I were unemployed or had a low-pay job.
stronomer
It's basically a tax, but dedicated solely to healthcare.
DukePhelan
For profit healthcare is a crime against humanity.
Kbantar
Any business that makes money by NOT providing a service.
Pikkupanda
A friend of mine was a talented in-demand laparoscopic surgeon and quit the profession because of the demands for profit. It’s evil.
DukePhelan
That is a loss not only to your friend doing something they were good at but to people they might have helped without the demands on them
Pikkupanda
Yeah. Always made me sad. I wish he’d gone into practice in another country. He’s doing consulting work here but it’s not the same.
BettyWhiteSupremacy
As a Brit the only members of my house with private health insurance are my pets
Leushenko
As a Brit I recommend you change that because the only fuckin' people who like the NHS are the ones who haven't tried to access anything yet
Gartetan
xj4low
And I'm a modern day corporate slave because my medical is tied to my work and I would be dead or medically bankrupt and dead without it.
8008135calculator
My pets have better coverage than most Americans. £80 deductible and lifetime cover. £60 a month.
BettyWhiteSupremacy
Petplan?
FerbIsMySpiritAnimal
Oof. As an American that fucking hurts to read.
Steveisalreadytaken
As another Brit, enjoy it while you can, the Scumbag Tory sleazebags are bent on selling it off piecemeal to their cronies. Fuck Johnson.
Ijustwantquiet
They know how much money they could drain from the populace.
TheRealPumpkinQueen
Meanwhile i had to cancel my therapist appt cause my $200+ a month insurance lapsed and I would have had to pay $200 up front. Cause that
TheRealPumpkinQueen
makes sense. I'm angry
Youhavinagiraffe
I have insurance for my pets too and it cost more per month than it did to get them in the first place
fowlersleftfoot
And even that is an outrage
ThereAreCrocodiles
How do your pets even fill out the insurance application form? And hours do they pay the premiums? In treats?
smudle
My dog is literally the most expensive member of any household I've ever lived in. And I fucking love her.
dumberthanyouraveragebear
The pets employer fills it all out
RunawaySpoons
*employee
iAmLion
Doesn't it depend on whether you have a dog or a cat?
RunawaySpoons
Eh … I dunno, dogs just might be more subtle about it
BettyWhiteSupremacy
They manipulate me into doing it. And paying for it. And everything else come to think of it.
BeerBatteredandBold
Classic.
Shamorza
Can I become your pet? I'm good at meowing and woofing, and modestly successful in the art of manipulation.
woxx150
BettyWhiteSupremacy
What’s your stance on sitting on my lap, belly rubs and scratching at my bedroom door in the middle of the night?
Shamorza
Sure
Hangonthere
Your government is selling out your NHS at this f**king moment. Be careful! USA standards in 5 years.
Curii
No they're fucking not god damn it! That story was a Lie by Corbyn during the election campaign. The 'secret documents' he waved around >>>>
Curii
online, and can be read. They dated from 2017, under a previous government and said nothing of the sort!
Thewayofthebear
It would be political suicide and we would riot if it ever happened
imgrYouCount
And THAT is why they are making protesting difficult/illegal...
Thewayofthebear
........oh no! That'll matter.
YourMomWasHere
Yeah they are. Tbf it's already somewhat dire- half the haematology department at the local infirmary is empty (source: aunt.) Lord help us.
fowlersleftfoot
It’s actually been happening since Blair, but as long as they keep that “free at the point of access” people will keep ignoring it
shitheadtookmyname
Yeah i have young physician friends in the UK and there was an point where their FB posts were about NHS slashing their income to like
fowlersleftfoot
It’s an exercise in extracting tax money from the NHS and into the pockets of companies friendly, or actively involved, with Tories.
fowlersleftfoot
Only have to look at the recent allocation of PPE contracts at the beginning of the pandemic. Lots of deals done over whisky and a cigar
fowlersleftfoot
As these other replies tragically illustrate
SukhoiSuperjet
We've been hearing this for decades. The NHS is not getting privatised.
TakeMeToFrontPageAndBackFiveTimesADay
It is, for instance the land of some of the hospitals that the hospitals owned, got sold and now they have to pay rent. I’m a Brit
melmboundanddown
Lol so a public hospital paying rent makes it a private hospital? You dumb as a brit anyway.
TakeMeToFrontPageAndBackFiveTimesADay
No no, they sold the land the hospital was on to the private sector and now have to pay rent. The argument was bits were being sold,they are
SilverHornet
It's being chopped up and sold piecemeal, and the rest deliberately underfunded (not least as so much is now for-profit subcontracted). >
SilverHornet
The long-term game is break it 'organically' and so we're forced to 'choose' private as the better/only option. Completely predictable.
Youhavinagiraffe
The NHS is being absorbed by private entities slowly with the private sector gradually cutting away certain services or controlling...
Youhavinagiraffe
...particular areas over time. GP services are being bought up by US companies, some services are no longer being covered or being...
Youhavinagiraffe
...starved of funds so people are encouraged to go private. And political and corporate appointees are being embedded in key areas to...
fowlersleftfoot
Been happening for years that’s why you’ve been hearing it. Just because you dont get a bill doesn’t mean it’s not shifting to privatisation
stret
Rubbish, even Johnson's Tory wankers aren't stupid enough to take us into the dark ages of US style health "care".
iAmLion
Not in one leap. They will make small discrete adjustments in policy and procurement here until their media allies ask for a sea change
AuntieCoddswaddle
As a Texan: I used to think like this. Then they let us freeze to death and put a bounty on women. Fight back and fight hard. Get mad.
thethingthatwentsplat
I used to be an optimist, the I took an arrow to the knee.
fowlersleftfoot
If Tories could design a public attitude in a lab it would be this. The “it’ll all work out alright” naivety that allows them to pilfer
stret
The NHS, for all its faults, is free at point of access. If one day they try to change that then we'll rise up and destroy them.
lunicow
There are already many people who will go private to get past NHS waiting times, then transfer back for free treatment, this gets people
fowlersleftfoot
It’ll be far too late then you spanner. That’s exactly their tactic, dismantle everything from behind the scenes and keep you quiet with
Grizzlious
BritaThePurifier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGUujPknIIQ
Grizzlious
BillandTedsUnremarkableTripToCostCo
Even though football is life, football is also death. And football is football too. But mostly football is life!
HiMyNameIsKevinIHaveChangnesia
DANNY ROJAS!
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Gartetan
It does mean that. That is exactly what it means. You are quite wrong.
Vergath
That's literally what it does mean
fowlersleftfoot
It literally does.
Tyrann01
JustAnotherVictimOfAmbientMorality
It does, dude. It absolutely does.
OnlyDeadFishShouldGoWithTheFlow
Talking from experience? Or talking out of your ass about shit you know nothing about? I'm going with the latter.
nonickname23
Yeah it does. Sometimes medications cost, after you leave the hospital. Otherwise free. Like in lots of not-USA places.
naaninn
The concept of free health care really seems to be difficult to grasp for some people. ;)
TwoFlower68
"But how are NHS hospitals turning a profit then? Seems fishy" - some guy probably
dumberthanyouraveragebear
To be fair I’m pretty sure the UK does have a two tiered system, which is different than nations that have strictly universal healthcare and
dumberthanyouraveragebear
That’s it. So some may be getting confused and commenting on those aspects.
halfwindsor
No. We have the NHS. Some people have private health care which is primarily for minor things to be dealt with more quickly. I have private…
halfwindsor
…through work which is useful for stuff like travel vaccines. When I needed surgery the NHS was the quicker option and it was the same…
BojackTheHorsemanDontActLikeYouDontKnow
I mean, it's not "free", the doctor isn't doing charity work. They're paid through taxes & Ted Lasso is paying British taxes in this case.
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MAN9000
Actually, most of our taxes go to subsidizing tax cuts for the wealthy.
dontfloatmygoat
Yes. But the point is the tax system has - at least in part - found the correct avenue re: health to support most people most of the time.
LurkerOfDarkness
And if a filthy rich person looses everything, they too will get help, with housing, living expenses, finding work, healthcare, pension...
stronomer
But the treatment is paid independent of the actual contribution of the individual requiring it.
Corrodias
Okay, then let's do that. Where's the picture of the bike customization guys throwing chairs and shit?
SjundeSjukaSjomannenSjunne
10% of the Swedish budget is aimed to healthcare. How many percent do you pay of your income for insurance?
Kbantar
Do you really think we're fucking stupid? Because that's the only reason to explain money and resources don't pop out of thin air.
dumberthanyouraveragebear
Cost in taxes ..Pennys…cost in private Medicare that has multiple levels (yes more than government) of bureaucracy all of which are aimed at
dumberthanyouraveragebear
Increasing profits for shareholders or stake holders at patients expense
dumberthanyouraveragebear
Making it exponentially more expensive and more for the privileged than the masses, who ironically pay more for elites to take the advantage
raptorlight3000
That's not contested in the post. The point is that we don't pay at point of use or after. Pay your share and use as you need. It's glorious
Gartetan
Such a tired red herring. Where was the word "free" even used? To clarify: everyone gets healthcare, free at the point of use, rich or poor.
imakebuns
What!?! Is that how that works?! Lol yes, we know how taxes work. Personally I'm 100% happy my taxes go to health and not tanks/jets/guns
philmoregraves
I want my taxes going towards killing shit. Not helping people not die. /s
HellBrendy
I fucking love playing taxes. And I'm Lucky enough to be fairly healthy, so I get to sleep well knowing someone else who needs it gets help.
JohnSmithterms
We pay about 50% less overall per capita for healthcare than USA. And its free for all to use.
ElBivo
A tax funded system is also self-regulated which means prices are better controlled, so you pay for service, not investor profit. I am...
ElBivo
...simplifying but the general effect means the tax cost is lower than say if americans tried to fund a healthcare system where the....
ElBivo
...service costs were the same as they currently are.
endem1c
Hear, hear! Cut out the blood-sucking middlemen!
YoSamiteSam
In America your taxes go to turning grandmothers into paste.
HighSorcerer
That's not what my brother thinks. He seems to think that patients not having to pay for healthcare means doctors don't get paid at all.
phuzz00
Doctors get paid well once they've been working for a while, but nurses get shit pay in the UK. Thanks to, you guessed it, the Tories
JonnyTightlips
Doctors and nurses get paid very well in Canada
RunawaySpoons
… does he think they're all volunteers over here?!
HighSorcerer
I think he thinks the healthcare systems in Canada and the UK are failing. I don't think he knows about other countries having healthcare.
RunawaySpoons
I mean, they *have* their failings, and the UK government seems to like the look of what the US has (!!!) but people don't have to choose >
RunawaySpoons
between seeing a doctor and eating, or between medication or rent. Our NHS is, for all its faults, pretty good at keeping people alive.
dank69
What people call socialism is really just "buying in bulk." We need to reframe this every chance we get until even the dumbest understand
ImGoingToGoFallAsleepOnABench
"It's not socialism, it's Costcoism!"
Abominablesloth
Collective consumerism
Richter12x2
It's not even that. Socialism isn't bad, it just means using your tax dollars for public benefit. Federal highways are socialism. /1
dank69
But that is not the actual definition of socialism. The actual definition of socialism is what scares people. 1/
dank69
Little-to-nothing of what Democrats propose actually fits the definition of socialism. 2/2
Richter12x2
Public schools, the fire department, the police department, veterans affairs. Hell, Social Security ALMOST has it right in the name.
imakebuns
Only Americans call this type of health care socialism. It's part of the propaganda fed to them so they keep wanting to die with no health
eightyearplan
a whole bunch of them really do want a whole bunch of others to die with no health.
thelegendofthetwistednavigator
And you do have to pay for parking!
RunawaySpoons
Usually yes, sometimes no, and sometimes cheap parking (e.g. cancer treatment, visiting in certain wards)
thelegendofthetwistednavigator
They stopped charging the hospital staff for parking yet?
fowlersleftfoot
No they charge more.
RunawaySpoons
Not that I know of :(
LetsEatGrandpaCommasSaveLives
Yeah taxes paying your healthcare is great, but have you tried paying high taxes so the government can buy weapons and give you nothing? HA!
proracing53
RiverRoyal
You Yanks already pay enough in taxes to cover a normally priced healthcare system. The problem is that it’s not normally priced over there.
StoppedLurkingtoDownvote
I'm paying enough to cover several people in a normally priced healthcare system. More if I actually use ours.
LetsEatGrandpaCommasSaveLives
The problem is that our politicians are bought, not elected.
Limoncellos
Yea but like he said, we would if those taxes actually went to healthcare. But they don’t.
NoobsStfu
It's weird how many people skip over that tidbit. Pharma/med corps extort us while charging far less elsewhere. It's really the cost.
Richter12x2
We pay enough to cover an exorbitantly priced healthcare system too... the problem is if we don't keep giving billionaires more money /1
md22mdrx
And we keep on giving trillions to the military who are somehow still falling behind in technology …
Richter12x2
they may take their negative impact to the economy to one of the other countries that don't have universal healthcare. If they can find one
YourIceCreamMan
I have insurance through my employer, as do millions (8.6% don't have Ins. Census.gov) and I've never paid much for care. I had $22,000 → →
LordHosk
You don't have a co-pay? and a catastrophic cap? thats the best private insurance I have ever heard of what company I want in!
YourIceCreamMan
I've had BC/BS non-stop. Different employers, different plans. I've always been covered and happy (your results may vary)
LordHosk
You didn't answer my questions.
YourIceCreamMan
Once my comment is downvoted into the cellar I see no point in investing additional energy into it. It is pointless.
Shoutrr
"i won't respond because if i do it you'll understand i'm a liar"
Richter12x2
I can only think of two explanations. 1. They're not a real person. or 2. They're wrong.
YourIceCreamMan
You have bought into the Imgur perpetuated falsehood that ALL are victims. Most in U.S. are fine. Its Vicarious Victimhood.
PhoenixfireUK
Isn't the problem with being tied to an employer's insurance that if you are sacked/fired/laid off you are not covered?
Shoutrr
or that it can be used to abuse you thanks to the fear of losing coverage, so you accept anything that is done to you
PhoenixfireUK
In the UK whatever is wrong with you, ni matter how serious, you will be treated for free at point of delivery forever. No quibbling. Always
TheGracefulDead
That or you get "COBRA" when you leave that is ridiculously expensive but still cheaper than paying for your own insurance
YourIceCreamMan
→ → shoulder surgery and my out of pocket was about $400. I'm 63 and have had various insurance since 16- never paid much out of pocket.
Pikkupanda
Good for you. I’m having a minor outpatient gynecological procedure that takes 15-20 minutes. My out of pocket will be $3K.
W92Baj
When you retire, presumably soon, what happens?
Imacatflushingthetoilet
Shhhhh, they're not used to think that far
fuznotfuz
I never did either, when I was living in the US w/employer-provided insurance. But shouldn't we care about that 8.6% that has nothing?
ExploratoryDentalSurgery
Yes. We should have made laws to help the 8.6%- not disrupted the 91.4% who did.
kakivara
No one is talking about outlawing private insurance. The plan is to give everyone public insurance. Keep your private plan if you love it.
fuznotfuz
The US failing to enact a form of national health insurance to help everybody isn't exactly an argument against national health insurance.
YourIceCreamMan
My son had a great employee plan. They cancelled it and told him, "Go to the exchange". He couldn't afford any plans. He fell into a → →
Richter12x2
I cut my finger once on a mandolin slicer but wouldn't stop bleeding. I paid $800 for a bandage. I have insurance through my employer, too.
Richter12x2
We have VSP, but our optometrist has Covid so we couldn't order glasses. Went to another one, so instead of covering $300 for glasses /1
Richter12x2
they paid $120 of the $400 it cost for kids eyeglasses. Luckily they were $400 instead of $800, since kids glasses are 50% off right now.
Richter12x2
My favorite: my wife had an accident, fell and cracked 3 teeth. Bc it was accident, dental said covered by medical, who said it was dental.
fuznotfuz
Thinking back…my insurance plan tried to get me to pay $3000 for an ER visit at one of their own ERs, for which there was a $75 co-pay.
Richter12x2
Seems about right.