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sqabbit
I do that just to get people to defend what their saying, even if I agree with it, it's good to keep them on their toes
BrazilianThunderPanda
ThailandExpress
netutoring
Sanders and Warren are two of my favorites (in general).
RowanUnderwood
All this one-off programs to fix poverty when MINIMUM WAGE IS JUST SITTING RIGHT THERE.
poochyena
Why do you think min wage is so important? Most countries with a lower poverty rate than the US also have a lower min wage.
MacklinBurtMacklinFBI
Member when California had a super majority and killed there own single payer health Bill and said dick when it was scheduled for a vote
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
Hey you should raise minimum wage "We can't we have to fix poverty!" Yeah so raise minimu- "COMMUNIST!" No COL is rising and- "BOOTSTRAPS!"
Seanspeed
Like 95% of Dems in Congress support this, including nearly every 'liberal' one.
RuijiRiku
Heck yeah comrade!
ScienceIsNotALiberalConspiracy
When the progressive finish with the facists, the communists are next on the list of "enemies of the people". Comrade.
szepasszony
The left in the US is not nearly united or powerful enough to combat fascism alone. It would be nice if liberals would, you know, TRY a bit.
szepasszony
Of course, historically, centrists side with fascists as soon as they get power. We're not there yet, but it isn't looking good.
ScienceIsNotALiberalConspiracy
I don't disagree. Just don't think a communist is in any way your friend. They worship the state & exploit the worker, too.
frankierizzo0351
Andricus
Republicans only bully other Republicans if one of them expresses a different opinion than their party line. XD
Azawarau
Democrats do that too, voters at least . It's more of a people thing
beelzebob23
How is this different from democrats?
blainetog
GQPers still show up at the ballot box angry at other GQPers.
pastramionrye
It’s not. At all. It’s exactly the same and it’s stupid people like the ones who downvoted you who propagate it.
Andricus
Democrats will bully other Democrats for anything stupid they do. Republicans overlook stupidity because otherwise they'd be extinct.
pastramionrye
In this context, the reality of your statement suggests Stupidity=actually being on the left on any issue
swellguy18
Because the party has more loose alliances? This only holds if all you care about is your agenda, and not what other elected officials think
pastramionrye
Because the party is undisciplined, fractured, and corrupt. They are, both. The Republicans are just better at politics. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
Redyls
im in this picture and i don't like it.
ArkoneAxon
I'm in this picture too, and I do. Sometimes it's better to be defined by one's enemies than one's friends.
Seanspeed
Yea, almost like that's a really dumb strategy, eh?
BritishPinkiePie
Oh and libertarian whom are scared of taxes and think everyone is a commie
ProcrastinatorMasturnater
I call myself a "centrist" when in reality I'm nowhere near what one could consider the "middle" of American politics.
Rasdwa
the label "liberal" is so non descriptive and can mean very different things..
Seanspeed
Used to just mean 'American left leaner'. Now certain progressives are trying to demonize and divide by making these people seem right wing.
RuijiRiku
If you support capitalism with no intention of moving away from it, by definition you are a liberal, from social democracy to free market ©$
Seanspeed
'Liberal' has no strict meaning, certainly not in American political terms.
Seanspeed
It has generally just meant anybody left leaning. Only recently have y'all tried to push divisive rhetoric to make it seem like moderates
Seanspeed
are somehow so far away from progressives and 'the enemy'. Divisive rhetoric is the biggest gift we could give the right.
URNOTFUNNY1226
During the run-up to the 2020 election I had several fake Twitter accounts as a tRump supporter. It was fun infiltrating the enemy.
umlcat
Anarchy in the UK !!!
FreeRangeToast
same, yo. i feel this in my bones.
confanity
If the GOP thinks you're part of their malicious death cult, you probably need to rethink your entire life and way of doing things.
Mastershake5
Bro I can relate! Also it’s like if you question either side they attack you. Im a leftist I was called a MAGA Trump supporter um ok my guy
MacklinBurtMacklinFBI
Left in most of my views but if you expose the hypocrisy of the left you’re apparently a nazi.
MacklinBurtMacklinFBI
Left says right are authoritarians, left will ban, silence and de platform with fierce fervour but are 100% not authoritarians.
MacklinBurtMacklinFBI
Canadian government support here is a funny one, liberal country who just froze people’s assets including Crypto for donating money.
MacklinBurtMacklinFBI
And most are supportive? You just championed a western government silencing dissents in a manner that would make China proud. We’re lost
Mastershake5
Exactly, I hate politicians and hypocrisy on both sides equally. But yes the left has become this weird intolerant voice. They are going
exdomineus1337
Good game for asking more of liberals. They do generally suck. So do conservatives because ultimately they’re of the same ilk
PennyLava
you are all so ocd with your gang affiliations its hilarious. youre all on a spectrum roflcopter
HankThePropaneTank
you dont have to agree with everything a political party says and does. Crazy idea right?
ArkoneAxon
On this site? VERY crazy. "Vote blue no matter who, or else you're a fascist." Bleh.
ScienceIsNotALiberalConspiracy
But at what point does one or two things a party DOES stand for become too much?
shinagami091
I’m not a cis white male but every time I hear someone say that phrase my stomach turns. Cis white males are people too.
AerialAceAttack
I agree.
Seanspeed
So you think cis white males are being oppressed? lol
AerialAceAttack
No, but I dont think people should be mean to anyone. (Coming from a nonbinary queer woman.)
Seanspeed
Nobody has ever said otherwise. This is no different than 'It's ok to be white' propaganda from white nationalists. smh
shinagami091
To elaborate, there was a video in saw on Reddit a few days ago where a couple girls were screaming and yelling at two white guys that>
shinagami091
Sat down at a table in the “multi-cultural center” at a college or uni. Went on a rant about cis white male bullshit and how they can’t>
shinagami091
Be there and that whiteness isn’t a culture. It’s like we’ve come full circle to segregation except now it’s multicultural people choosing>
shinagami091
to be segregated. It’s such a bizarre way of thinking. We’ve abandoned tolerance and acceptance now just chose to isolate ourselves.
xXxSTEVOxXx
More common is liberal centrists who think you're a Republican because they dont even recognize leftist when they see them.
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xXxSTEVOxXx
I'm sorry but liberal capitalists do nothing to resist fascism. They are not allies. It's sad and uncomfortable but true.
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xXxSTEVOxXx
Dont you worry daddy I toe the party line like a good boy. I'm the democratic party's most obedient little political hostage.
Seanspeed
No, that's really not very common. Tell yourself what you need to, though. Also liberals aren't 'centrist'.
xXxSTEVOxXx
What a well constructed bit of rhetoric. You're basically Marcus Aurelius with this shit over here
Seanspeed
You're pushing right-friendly divisive rhetoric designed to make you separate and hate from moderates(not centrists) on the left.
Seanspeed
You are the best gift to Republicans they could ask for. You're a detriment to the progressive cause.
xXxSTEVOxXx
Lol if this Alinsky-ite delusion of democratic/leftist unity was a sound tactic it would have worked by now.
Someshithead241
Even just a slight criticism will get you called a trump supporter, nazi, racist etc. Happens a *shit ton* on here.
xXxSTEVOxXx
Even mentioning that it happens is gonna get you downvotes apparently!
LooseyGooseyBrett
I dont know what many of these mean
theworldcouldbeflat
All the categories and buzz words being used are part of the propaganda and don't really mean anything. Be human.
Stinkleberg
Introducing basic context to Ukraine will get you mobbed with libs saying “Oh you’re running to Putin cause Trump’s going to jail?”
xXxSTEVOxXx
Haven't gotten that one yet.... But mostly cuz I'm even more ambivalent about the situation than Ukrainians.
Seffypoo
They know. And they don't appreciate the saber rattling from the US side and making Putin more crazy.
SoundFuture
It's been pretty pathetic saber rattling TBH. Extremely mild for the US.
Seffypoo
Mostly the corp. Media. The Ukrainian economy took a big hit when they said the invasion would happen in Feb 16
leesk
Dude I’m literally from Crimea, like grew up and still visit regularly. I dare not speak because everyone thinks I’m pro Putin and his bs.
NewtonWren
The context is that 1) Iran and NK won't be the only ones with WMDs after this settles down, and 2) chems and bio are cheaper than nukes
NewtonWren
Covid is going to look like amateur hour if a country with the security of Yemen starts weaponising viruses.
pastramionrye
This. Imgur is this.
Jewdakris
Yeah some people don't realize that being liberal doesn't mean you still don't have some breaking points on issues.
AllisDashChalmersWasAnInsideJob
I remember when white knight social justice warrior was a thing. I get that vibe here a lot
pastramionrye
Big time. It’s easy when there is no accountability. Lol. But I suppose it’s the nature of Social Media ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Someshithead241
Never stopped being a thing.
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pastramionrye
Fuckin neoliberals be trippin’
xXxSTEVOxXx
Yaaaas!! Finally I have been able to instigate a critique of neoliberalism comment thread!!
pastramionrye
Haha. One that doesn’t automatically get downvoted to oblivion at the outset. Kudos and congrats all around.
netutoring
Yep. I hold ALL politicians to a very high standard. Democrat or Republican, I don't care. Black, white, man, woman, still don't.
xXxSTEVOxXx
Imgur is so attached to the comforting delusion that the Great Blue Saviors are coming to protect them from oligarchy and fascism. Its sad.
pastramionrye
Yarp. Meanwhile the DNC is literally laughing at their own ppl while getting rich. Say what you want about GOP, they’re afraid of their base
netutoring
To be sure, there are SOME Democrats who do decent policy, compared to the near zero on the Republican side. But still, Democrat is not...
BigDaddysMeatWagon
Tbh if I see someone defending Nazis and white supremacists I assume they're right wing. Haven't been wrong yet.
Stinkleberg
No one on the left is ever defending a fascist, so this is just true.
RealityIsOftenDisappointing
isn't it fascism = right and communism = left? correlation not causation tho
BigDaddysMeatWagon
--you can be fascist and communist at the same time. You can't be left and right at the same time.
RealityIsOftenDisappointing
right right. communism is from socialism and left leaning concepts. Not sure it fits well on a scale tho. Socialism feels more central value
Stinkleberg
Yeah, exactly. Fascism is a right wing ideology that is antithetical to left ideology.
BigDaddysMeatWagon
Communism is not inherently left though. It is an economic style, like capitalism. It is also not opposite fascism.--
xXxSTEVOxXx
Have you ever seen a fucking communist talking about white power lmao omg what even is this
Tumescentpie
That would be interesting in a very morbid what the fuck is wrong with you kind of way. The cognitive dissonance of that position ... wow.
Taxicat
Most of the ones I’ve encountered are a bit more subtle than that. They go more for dismissing any concerns about racism or sexism, >
Taxicat
>or outright attacking anyone raising such concerns as “distracting from the real problems.” Oh, and you’d be shocked how many “leftists” >
Taxicat
>are against coerced labor…unless it’s domestic or reproductive labor from women. They make it pretty clear that “class solidarity” >
xXxSTEVOxXx
1. Yes. The left definitely has a large contingent of shall we say people with lots left to learn. That critique is accurate and valid but>
xXxSTEVOxXx
2. What that comment said that I thought was bizarre and remarkable was, based in my impression, was they had met white supremacist lefties>
xXxSTEVOxXx
Like is this saying criticizing the democrats is somehow adjacent/related to defending nazis?? Wth is this saying omg
pastramionrye
Haha. Same thought. You said it
derfcat
Definitely not what he is saying. You can criticize democrats and not be a nazi. Just that a nazi is more likely right wing
xXxSTEVOxXx
Ahem but .....nazis are *EXCLUSIVELY* right wing
derfcat
Yep a lot of white supremacists are openly right wing
pastramionrye
So, basically a nonsequitur.
derfcat
Yep, his comment is a non sequitur
iamthisguy247
Like republicans thinking Dave Chappelle is one of them.
SuperNintendoEntertainmentSystem
Well he's become a rich, entitled, out-of-touch asshole who whines about being a victim of political correctness. They love all that.
INeverWaitForIt
Oh, I don't think you have to worry about the GOP thinking Dave Chappelle is one of them. Can't qwhite put my finger as to why, though.
SoundFuture
GOPers accept black members if they believe the same thing, and quite whole hearted. But it's very much you believe it all or GTFO.
INeverWaitForIt
They *tolerate* black members, as long as they toe the party line and aren't too uppity, but the GOP will turn on them the second they think
INeverWaitForIt
they aren't useful or that they think they can get away with it. Racism is, after all, part of their platform.
SoundFuture
Having known a couple of black conservatives I disagree on the principle that the GOP eats their own pretty regularly.
SoundFuture
Not disagreeing on the parts of their beliefs that are racist, because they are, just to clarify.
AscensoNaciente
I mean, he did just threaten to pull all his companies from his village to blackmail them into killing affordable housing.
Asadsadsadclown
Except that is the shitty headline version of the story.
fartharder
Got a link that explains that?
ArkoneAxon
Wrong: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI-QXU5a6LQ
MacklinBurtMacklinFBI
Well no.. see affordable housing clauses are a tactic to achieve approval. Sell the township 100home plan 2-4 are affordable housing. 1/2
MacklinBurtMacklinFBI
Company says we can’t find any one qualifies, clause in contract allows them to sell to anyone after a certain amount of time.
MacklinBurtMacklinFBI
It’s shockingly easy to due in rural areas due to the lack of access to programs that pair affordable housing. Basically no ones looking
nicoleoftheeast
Them Dave Chappel should be fine with it. Except of wait, he's worried about people who actually need affordable housing living there
MacklinBurtMacklinFBI
Happens with adult assisted living situations as well but and a very squed way. Sell the township the plan of 50 units for assisted living.
MacklinBurtMacklinFBI
Kicker being, there’s not 50 adults to fill the building so there will be a clause that allows the builder to rent who ever,and at any rate
MacklinBurtMacklinFBI
In Dave’s situation he outlines the affordable housing clause and throws it in there face as sees that this is a ploy
pastramionrye
I can identify. On this site if you say anything against Democrats everyone assumes you’re a fucking ratfuck Republican.
drzdeano
Yeah even before they realise there other other places in the world apart from America
poochyena
I've been called a republican dozens of times on this site despite never voting republican and voting for Sanders multiple times.
pastramionrye
Well ofc. The DNC assassinated Bernie’s campaign and their people are doing exactly what they have been controlled to do.
poochyena
no they didn't.
pastramionrye
Solid retort. Minimal effort, concise, solid 5/10. But you got docked points for being wrong, or at least, unthoughtful.
poochyena
Unicorns exist. Have fun disproving that.
Seanspeed
"Democrats rigged the election!" - who am I talking about - Trump supporters or Bernie diehards? Cant really tell, huh?
pastramionrye
Lmao, I will say lefties tend to keep the blame with the DNC, as in, it was a leadership decision, whereas asshats just say Dems or Libs.
rnugget
i don't understand why some democrats don't like Biden. It was him or Trump as the options.....
netutoring
Because his policies are still extremely weak and are basically 'old-school' Republican. He still does things which are uncomfortable.
Seanspeed
His policies aren't weak. Democrat Senate power is what is weak.
Seanspeed
Also claiming he's 'old school Republican' is garbage. Legitimately never had a more left leaning President ever.
rnugget
Ok. I understand...but...the alternative was Trump. goal number 1 was get Trump out, right?
exdomineus1337
It’s really simple. Trump used the loopholes Biden created. They’re both terrible for the same reasons
rnugget
ok. who do you think would do more damage to our nation tho?
exdomineus1337
Biden has already destroyed the nation for over 40 years. Trump just continued that trend
mutingisforcowardsandsycophants
Just recently I heard a podcast where a pollster gathered "centrists" to have their voices heard. The ignorance made me physically hurt.
Seanspeed
Actual centrists are not 'liberals'. Liberals are moderate, yet firm left leaners.
drzdeano
I've heard some fairly stupid leftists, rightists and you know what, pretty much every part of society has its morons.
MerkinSuit
Incorrect. 100% of evry part of society has its morons.
InfocalypseRising
Not surprising since "centrist" is code for "I'm afraid to hold any serious convictions because somebody might not like me"
ImHereToGetDownvotes
More like, "I'm a Republican, but have an opinion or two that Republicans hate."
drzdeano
The entire world doesn't revolve around American politics
Tumescentpie
I just banned a centrist from my twitch stream because they thought it was okay to invite nazis to a party and let them talk.
TheEmeraldProphylactic
That isn’t a centrist, that is an idiot lol
Tumescentpie
Same thing.
TheEmeraldProphylactic
Large overlap sure
TheOnlyPtylerdactyl
Centrists are either that, or Republicans who just don't know enough to be able to identify themselves as Republican.
drzdeano
So your one of those if you don't agree with me you must be a fascist/Nazi/bigot. You can't divide the world into us and them.
TheOnlyPtylerdactyl
Lmao did you just tell on yourself? I didn't say anything about bigotry, but if that's what you think all Rs are...
drzdeano
I'm not American you twat
AscensoNaciente
Temporarily embarrassed Republicans.
6313326
Not as surprising as the avowed republicans (like my husband's grandparents) who wholeheartedly agree w/ a bunch of Bernie Sanders' policy¹
6313326
² positions when they're presented without the context of who said them.
drzdeano
So your saying republicans are actually lefties if you don't tell them who is speaking? Not sure about that
pastramionrye
They’re populist policies, everyone agrees with them without context, because they are good for actual people.
mutingisforcowardsandsycophants
These people were totally convinced that the country is going too far left, and that "more balance" is the answer to our problems.
drzdeano
You have two extremes moving further apart from each other, that's not a bad idea.
drmuelr
Here's a whole article detailing what's wrong with this stance. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Balance_fallacy
drzdeano
Just because you can't see the value of someone else's opinion doesn't give you the right to say their arguments are worthless.
adognamedpumpkin
Yes, we can’t agree on tacos or spaghetti for dinner, so we just got tortillas and marinara sauce to compromise.
Jaysus41
pastramionrye
Fucking idiots. All
drzdeano
Great contribution.
pastramionrye
Concise, obvious, true, all hallmarks of worthy statements.
CongratsYouAreHereNow
The country actually IS going too far left AND too far right SIMULTANEOUSLY
drzdeano
This guy gets it. Can you please get some therapy America.
InfocalypseRising
"too far left" = hey maybe four guys shouldn't have all the money. "too far right" = let's hunt gay people for sport. (weighing gesture)
CongratsYouAreHereNow
That is not true at all. I voted for Bernie. Bernie is not too far left. Too far left = the Khmer Rouge
mutingisforcowardsandsycophants
What exactly is moving too far left in your opinion? If you mean public opinion or culturally, those aren't what I'm talking about.
drzdeano
Education. An example is replacing competition winners with everyone gets a participation award. (equality of opportunity vs outcome)
drzdeano
Political correctness. Occupational Health and safety. Equality of outcomes(compared to opportunity).
drzdeano
No, it's more like I don't believe either of your bullshit, I reserve the right to make judgements based on information not ideology.
MerkinSuit
Someone square between those parties has absoloulty no critical thinking skills. You have to lack them to fully support either, it's worse.
drzdeano
You sound like a cult member. The whole point of being a centrist is to apply critical thought to each problem individually.
Armored0Titan0
That’s the same thing, just said angrier.
drzdeano
It's really not. I don't hold allegiance to either left or right. I'd prefer to choose the best solution for the particular situation.
channelranger
I mean in the states being a centrist means you're between the dems and reps which means you're pretty far right already.
drzdeano
Where did I claim (or anyone else) that being a centrist means you fall between dems and reps. You said yourself that isn't centre.
channelranger
In this context "centrist" and "middle of the political spectrum right/left" don't mean the same thing.
channelranger
It also means that you see a party that does nothing as on par with an outright fascist party which says bad things about you.
martyroflittlefaith
can't we be liberal leftists though?
exdomineus1337
They’re diametrically opposed when imperialism is introduced in multiple facets. So no they can’t
Seanspeed
Usually, yes. But now many people are hung up on divisive rhetoric to split *real* leftists and moderates(liberals). It's so fucking dumb.
exdomineus1337
I can’t remember what positive changes were enacted by liberals. to the point that civil rights activists often derided them for inaction
Seanspeed
That's only cuz you've conveniently changed your definition of 'liberals' to something divisive and helpful to Republicans.
exdomineus1337
That’s been the case for decades. Malcolm said it Martin said it black panthers said it and the list continues. Liberals don’t aid change
CongratsYouAreHereNow
I feel like this all too often lately. I wouldn’t say I “bully” my fellow Democrats, but I’m shocked at how stupid a lot of them are now
DaMummy
Oh, I bully them whole heartedly, recently called Kamala a moron and an unbearable cunt. But fuck the republicans.
MacklinBurtMacklinFBI
Had a throw away account banned for telling the truth about Kamalas history as a prosecutor?♂️
Itsonporpoise
Look everything is either wrong or right, good or evil. There is no room for anything but total disdain for “the other guys”. /s
pseudopseudonym
Political programs are, by necessity, designed to be consumed and promulgated by idiots.
pseudopseudonym
If no one does it on purpose, well, playing the game of telephone on twitter does just as well.
death4665
I leave the D's alone, but Nazis on the other hand, ill fuck with all day. If they all just so happen to be Republicans, fuck them too.
netutoring
If you leave one party alone, greed and corruption set in VERY easily.
netutoring
Guess he didn't like that answer. But consider, what happens to any group that runs without oversight?
death4665
Oh don't get me wrong, I'll call out BS when I see it, but Id rather focus on established evil. As a society we can't let these cunts thrive
netutoring
That goes for anyone who doesn't want to help their fellow man. (And really, I get downvoted for saying that leaving a party without....
netutoring
...oversight will result in greed and corruption? I must assume these people do not know history very well.)
Richter12x2
Careful. Those may be the ones that left the GOP after Trump, still learning how to be a more decent human being.
ThatHappensToMeSometimes
That’s a pretty cool take. Thanks for pointing that out as I’d honestly never thought of it before.
Bristlecone42
Yeah, I agree- empathizing with those who are at least TRYING to make humanitarian choices is what separates us from the Nazis.
CongratsYouAreHereNow
Loving things that are supposed to be hated by our side and hallmarks of the right: censorship, etc
Seanspeed
So progressives? Moderate left leaners typically aren't the ones trying to 'cancel' people and whatnot.
ScienceIsNotALiberalConspiracy
But think of the children!
nemo3590
The average person in general is shockingly uninformed or misinformed. It's just more hurtful when their opinions happen to align with yours
Seanspeed
The irony. I see maybe 1 in like 50 political comments here that show somebody who doesn't get all their political news from social media
swellguy18
I for one support Dems because they eat babies in a pizza restaurant. I love pizza and hate babies. I'm glad to call you an ally.
nemo3590
I always order double baby toppings on my pizza. It goes straight to my thighs but dammit I just can't quit.
DreamingOfDistantShores
Just be sure to ask satan for extra strength to keep up with your usual baby-eating, globe-dominating agenda.
6313326
Strong thighs help you dig & then fill in the basement baby kidnap-otoriums beneath already existing buildings.
Asadsadsadclown
*valid criticism of something bad a Democrat did* “Are you a Trumpist?”
Seanspeed
Uninformed bashing of Democrats: you are helping Republicans, whether you identify with them or not.
CongratsYouAreHereNow
You are what’s wrong, tribalist
Seanspeed
I'm not tribalist at all. But I actually read real news, not just twitter posts.
CongratsYouAreHereNow
Ok... are you suggesting I read Twitter?
Asadsadsadclown
And uninformed defense of Democrats just makes Democrats worse and you no better than the Republican cultists.
CongratsYouAreHereNow
Exactly. Not to mention, Democrats more easy to beat
Seanspeed
For example, bashing Dems for not passing Build Back Better. I see this a lot. The VAST majority of Dems support it, though.
Seanspeed
I dont blindly defend Dems, though. I'm just informed enough to know when the criticism is informed or not. It's usually not.
Asadsadsadclown
I bash dems for not living their convictions. I despise living in California, and of "Not in my backyard". Demand homes for the homeless,