Getting into an argument when you don't know anything and still expect to be taken seriously is such a hilarious move because it tells you exactly how everyone in the heckler's life either already agrees with him or treats him with kid gloves.
Dude in the audience needs put the shovel down & stop digging himself a bigger hole lol that comedian slapped down his arguments every single timeā¦.. thatās what every maga person looks like to the world
America "saved" Europe in WWII the same way the third fire truck "saved" the house from burning down. Yes they were a help, probably even was the push that turned the tide which might not have happened otherwise... But they weren't the only thing going on.
That heavily, heavily propagandized behavior exemplifies the stomach-churning š³š¼šš¹š»š²šš of American arrogance. And it's an arrogance defined by unmitigated cluelessness. Abject political, historical, and moral illiteracy. As you can see I've deliberately sugar coated my feelings about this for sensitive folks.
Dumbass fucking traitor even said he'd vote for an illegal third term for the orange shitstain. If I had a full bladder and he was burning alive, I'd rather piss on my own carpet. Hope he dies painfully, from his own political decisions.
Very on brand. An overinflated sense of history based on propaganda, and completely unaware that they are the laughing stock while literally debating a comedian.
I'm Canadian and even I can admit that Germany lost the moment they declared war on the US. US aid to the USSR was the difference between the Soviets having to sue for peace in 1942 and the Soviets taking Berlin in 1945.
Correct. Had the UK been knocked out of the war, the US would not have been able to take on Germany. My personal favourite knuckle-dragger belief is that the US saved Canada from Germany.
For those who don't know : ForƧa ExpedicionƔria Brasileira (FEB) was incorporated in the 5th American army and fought (quite well) in Italy, from july 1944 onwards.
USA stayed out of the WWII for a comfortable looooong time, and Europeans will never forget that USA did this while evil forces were destroying the world. I am tired about ppl from USA saying 'whose money rebuilt Western Europe' (referring to the Marshall Plan). USA played a waiting game. It is like ignoring that someone is being beaten to a pulp by the school yard bully, then walking over to offer a lollipop. Too little, too late.
The US stayed out of WWII until it directly affected us, which is an unfortunate trend. To update your analogy, it was like ignoring someone being beaten up by a bully until one of that bully's friends started throwing punches at you and only then getting involved to stop it.
Magas aren't smart enough to know they're losing an argument. They'll just scream the next big conspiracy theory that jumps into their head until people get tired of listening to them.
Never get in an argument with a person who makes a living with the spoken word. That was his second mistake. His first was thinking that the rest of the world owes America when they clearly don't.
Yep. That's the problem. Once you get in the mentality that you're always right there's no real escape for you. If the US ever gets out of this it's going to be literal generations waiting for these people to die to get rid of this, there's no real way to help them until/unless they want to escape, and that's rare.
I've had an exchange with MAGA like this and he would smugly pat me on the shoulder and tell me if I want to him to beat me in debate again to come back and talk. Circular reasoning be damned. I'm willing to win this bet.
I've had a conversation like that. Me: I don't like billionaires because they're evil for the things they do. Him: "You can't say that about all billionaires, that's like saying all black people are evil." Very telling when they go straight to skin color while I'm talking about economics.
He is god damn proud of stopping Germany from going to war with every other country, while in the same breath also voting for America to go to war with every other country.
Would've been good if he coulda come up with something good we did in the last like, 20 years. I mean, if the good you think your country did was an entire lifetime ago, maybe it doesnt count anymore
Exactly, America should simultaneously be worshipped for stopping one from doing it and allowed to do the same. And respected/admired/even rewarded for both! The cognitive dissonance is stunning.
They don't see this as a contradiction. We "won" in WW2 so that's good. We're doing war with Iran presumably for our interests (in their mind) so that's good. It's not that they have a principled stance on war. It's that they like when the US is powerful and winning.
America stopped the Nazi's in 1944 so that America could f*#k over the little countries like it has always been since the world was spinning?!? That is one huge cognitive dissonance right there! Wow! This guy eats propaganda for breakfast, lunch, and dinner!
Not yet cognitive dissonance, given Hitlers whole schtick was taken from the US, influenced by Jim Crow and the US right.. they were the template the Nazis built themselves from
400,000 Americans died in ww2, 27 million Soviets died. Def the Americans who did all the work. And then you have the war crimes, oh and the failure to prosecute war crimes to get technology. Yeah what would they have done without the US?
British (+NZAC) intelligence, soviet blood, american industry were the major notes played throughout. It's very probable that significantly different outcomes would've occurred with the most miniscule of change such as Hitler poking Russia.
Look your overall point is correct, but also the Soviets used tactics that made it look like they were going for a high score in deaths. They cleared minefields by sending more bodies. Plus they were shot rather than being taken prisoner. Just give some context where it is due my dude.
The German military was much weaker and disorganized than generally accepted. Hitlers interventions throughout the war, especially at the end, frequently caused mass chaos and casualties. Generals were completely ignoring him at the end. Theres this prevalent mythos that the Germans were organized and well supplied. Not true at all. They had several early successes that were not repeated later, mostly due to lack of supplies, men, and Hitler micromanaging.
Did the US help the war? Absolutely. Did they win it? I would argue that their help was very important, but its American propaganda to say the US is the only reason Germany lost.
I think it makes perfect sense to be proud the part we played in WWII. I think it even makes sense to inflate our roll in own minds a little because I think most countries do that with their own history. But this guy seems to be making some kind of logical leap that we can now stand up and say the rest of the world owes us. They owe us loyalty and in some cases money, they owe it to us to let us fuck up the world for the benefit of a few in our country. That's insane.
I think Europe collectively did owe the US, and paid that debt with decades of friendship and such. We bonded over that, two friends helping each other out of a tough spot and keeping up with each other afterwards. And then one friend gets dementia and starts doing stupid shit.
American industrial and agricultural production kept the USSR in the world. Food aid to the USSR fed 12 million people. Military aid kept over 200 Soviet divisions in the field. After the war even Stalin admitted that without the US, the USSR would have fallen. During the war, when Stalin was pressuring the Allies to move up the main invasion of Europe, FDR said it was possible but would require pausing aid to the USSR. Stalin immediately backed down. I'm Canadian. We were in the war 1/
from the beginning and pulled more than our weight both militarily and economically, but even I am awestruck at what the US did in WW2. And yes, they did show up late, but at least they weren't actively helping Germany like the Soviets were prior to getting invaded. 2/2
I mean amount of deaths doesn't really matter. Canada was in the war pretty well since the start and only suffered 45000 casualties. They however were integral to most of the major missions
The goal of war isn't to die for your country, but to make the other guy die for his. The Soviets were bad for their own people. I'm not saying that the war could've been won without their help, but looking just at the numbers is very, very misleading.
Yup, they did a ton of things well and they were critical to the war effort - but the effects are best measured in how much the germans spent (in money, time, and men) fighting them, not in how many of their own soldiers died. That just shows that the Soviets paid a high price for what they got.
Should always be noted american industry told Roosevelt to back off with worker protections and new deal type stuff if he wanted them to contribute to the war effort. All those products came with a huge asterisk.
I believe the war powers placed industry under direct government control, did it not? The same justification was used for nationalization of the railroads during World War I.
And as I understand, the largest contribution wasn't even in weaponry, but rather basic logistical supplies. Trucks, Trains, Food, and Boats. Get's harsher when you realize the Battle of Moscow started in Oct 1941, with war declarations regarding US not happening until that Dec 1941 (and US troops didn't arrive to europe until Jan 1942 IIRC)
Trucks, railway locomotives, clothing, food, medical supplies, and fuel, was the bulk of it I believe. The US 2 1/2 ton truck won the war in Europe, as much as any other object.
The US was supplying the UK via Lend-Lease long before the US entered the war, but I dont know if any aid made it to the soviets before spring or summer of 42. The Soviets were very more viewed as "the enemy of my enemy" than an ally like the UK, France, or the Netherlands.
Britain began supplying the Russians before the US agreed to extend the policy to them and even after they did extend it they still needed Britain to move the stuff to Russia via the Arctic convoy system. The first real impact of US aid to Russia was seen with operation bagration, by then a few hundred Shermans had reached the soviet armoured divisions and Mustangs were reaching the red airforce.
I donāt disagree with your sentiment, and I want to add a bit more context. The reason the Soviet numbers are so much higher is due to a few things. One is that the Soviets were actually invaded. Actual Military deaths are somewhere between 8 and 11 million. The rest were civilians. The high military deaths is largely due to the Nazis opting to kill rather than capture Soviet POWs more often than not. The other aspect is tactics. The Soviets employed human wave tactics in several battles 1/2
Which resulted in heavy casualties every time. Neither the US or any other allied power viewed losses at that scale as acceptable. Even the US 8th Air Force, which gained a reputation for disregarding the lives of its bomber pilots, adjusted its tactics to minimize casualties as much as they could while still achieving air superiority.
I only point this stuff out because the 27 million number you gave was presented as military KIA, when itās more in line with total population KIA.
It is very difficult to draw distinctions on the Eastern front between military and civilian casualties, you could even argue that significantly more were "military" since it was essentially Total War, with partisan fighting and civilians press-ganged into militia combat. Sure there was starvation and disease as well, but the Eastern Front was the uniquely brutal theater of war that broke Germany. The best thing the US did for the war effort was not supply Hitler.
Of course. As a side note it is worth remembering that America has literally never been invaded. It has had enemy troops inside its territory twice: During the civil war, and a British retaliation force when trying to invade and occupy Canada unprovoked. The point being that Americans talk loud about bravery but has literally never had to actually defend themselves in any meaningful way.
I'm against nationalism as much as anyone on this site, but this is a weird argument. The fact that we have an ocean to our west and an ocean to our east and are therefore difficult to invade is not some kind of moral argument against us.
Its really hard to overstate the kind of psychological impact both world wars had on Europe precisely because of the scale of the destruction endured not only to lives, but to infrastructure, and how that effected post-war Europe.
TheOnlyPtylerdactyl
Getting into an argument when you don't know anything and still expect to be taken seriously is such a hilarious move because it tells you exactly how everyone in the heckler's life either already agrees with him or treats him with kid gloves.
Jaqdakloun
This wasn't a comedy routine, it was a history lesson, just happened to be hilarious.
chatawillybilly
Dolt MAGA believes having a $40 plus trillion dollar debt makes America the world's largest economy. Where was you hat made?
teklanis
Love it when both sides of an argument are aggressively wrong on almost every point.
Garwoodxx
On the list of horrible things Trump (and right wing media) did was to empower the vile among us to be their worst selves.
cytherians
I would've poured my drink over the head of that MAGA because I know the crowd would have my back. ššš
philmoregraves
Longer clip of this https://youtube.com/shorts/T9CMw4nkT9w?is=q2ldmAQ9AF7EXvRw
ActuallyMyNamesMarina
Always hilarious finding someone that believes in the American Myth
bumblebeerumble
Dude in the audience needs put the shovel down & stop digging himself a bigger hole lol that comedian slapped down his arguments every single timeā¦.. thatās what every maga person looks like to the world
ChazzK
America "saved" Europe in WWII the same way the third fire truck "saved" the house from burning down. Yes they were a help, probably even was the push that turned the tide which might not have happened otherwise... But they weren't the only thing going on.
wadatahmydamie
Definitely helped, but āturned the tideā is pretty generous.
onemightyandstrong
So fucking embarrassing.
DefinitelyaHumanNotanAlien
The American economy is so great that they go to other people's countries to work because their own country can't provide for them...š
beefsteak73
MAGA hogs absolutely revel in their own sociopathy.
Armouredfalcon
Its weird how their default is to always fall back on something that happened 80+ years ago to justify the shit they are doing now.
turbodog
#include
int main() {
printf("Hello, World!\nAs an American, we are NOT all like that asshole\nWe are trying to fix things\n");
return 0;
}
TimmyTimm
Well ... half of us ...
BorkSamson
Trumps approval rating is negative 23 as of this post.
That means less than a 5th still support him.
How anyone does is beyond me, but the good news is that number is shrinking rapidly.
Woogyface
the last sentence is wrong. should return -1
NChomsky
That heavily, heavily propagandized behavior exemplifies the stomach-churning š³š¼šš¹š»š²šš of American arrogance. And it's an arrogance defined by unmitigated cluelessness. Abject political, historical, and moral illiteracy. As you can see I've deliberately sugar coated my feelings about this for sensitive folks.
madjo
The uneducated Republican thinking USA is the best. You love to see it.
ThrowAwayAcct0000
As an American, we shouldn't allow Republicans to leave the US.
SleepyHollowAppleTree
When a good education slaps down a rotten one.
duhh33
That chucklefuck was too dumb to realize he was being slapped.
Pulsahr
I bet he was thinking "no this guy is fake news!"
Pear120
Dumbass fucking traitor even said he'd vote for an illegal third term for the orange shitstain. If I had a full bladder and he was burning alive, I'd rather piss on my own carpet. Hope he dies painfully, from his own political decisions.
LumpPump
you could piss on his shoes and legs and still not put the fire out as long as it was his upper half was the on fire part
SleepyKitten
I'd be ok with him not making the return trip. Maybe epstein island has room for him.
ForthBridge
The fact that he said this shite in Poland shows how moronically arrogant this fucker is. Fuck off back to Trumpland.
DiracsDelta
Very on brand. An overinflated sense of history based on propaganda, and completely unaware that they are the laughing stock while literally debating a comedian.
okayQpid
Greatest skill threat to US Olympic gymnastics = US mental gymnastics.
USA! USA! USA!
OhIfIMust
America HELPED. It was a TEAM EFFORT. Even Brazil sent a small contingent, and they did a damn good job where they were.
delpharseven
I'm Canadian and even I can admit that Germany lost the moment they declared war on the US. US aid to the USSR was the difference between the Soviets having to sue for peace in 1942 and the Soviets taking Berlin in 1945.
OhIfIMust
Sure, but the US couldnāt have done it alone, like so many knuckle-draggers claim.
delpharseven
Correct. Had the UK been knocked out of the war, the US would not have been able to take on Germany. My personal favourite knuckle-dragger belief is that the US saved Canada from Germany.
hiiamluciole
For those who don't know : ForƧa ExpedicionƔria Brasileira (FEB) was incorporated in the 5th American army and fought (quite well) in Italy, from july 1944 onwards.
YippeeKayakOB
USA stayed out of the WWII for a comfortable looooong time, and Europeans will never forget that USA did this while evil forces were destroying the world. I am tired about ppl from USA saying 'whose money rebuilt Western Europe' (referring to the Marshall Plan). USA played a waiting game. It is like ignoring that someone is being beaten to a pulp by the school yard bully, then walking over to offer a lollipop. Too little, too late.
Jarjarthejedi
The US stayed out of WWII until it directly affected us, which is an unfortunate trend. To update your analogy, it was like ignoring someone being beaten up by a bully until one of that bully's friends started throwing punches at you and only then getting involved to stop it.
Gruesslibaer
Same with WW1. America only declared war after they intercepted the Zimmermann telegram in 1917.
YippeeKayakOB
Fair update
cheeriossuckbecause7
I can see why the poor little magas would be mad at this. This guy doesn't stroke their egos with a nice, soft nationalistic glove the way they want.
MassiveCollisionY
America is not even the greatest country in NA. Let alone the world, they can't handle that.
Eyeetsass
They hate it because they are stupid, and their entire personality is built on made up bullshit.
thotterpop
Magas aren't smart enough to know they're losing an argument. They'll just scream the next big conspiracy theory that jumps into their head until people get tired of listening to them.
Doctorfatherson
They get confused when " because we're american" isn't a good enough answer. He probably thinks Jesus was from Pennsylvania
diemajorthrilldie
Well they sure think he lives on Pennsylvania avenue.
okayQpid
Itās a wonder Christian/evangelical meccas donāt overrun the place.
zsefvgb
I mean, that's like 2/3rds of the way to Mormonism
CrisprCAS
I'm going to challenge this comedian as the world's most easily mocked person! I'm am so smrt!
Ac1dBurn72
https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1bTZ4d2hybWR5YTE1NDMxc2l5OXJoMmE4cXd1N2x3cnJ6cHMyYzYzNyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/hFROvOhBPQVRm/200w.webp
itwasababyox
https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1ZWZnYmVmanNtMGVjbTNtbHcwZHYwdzlwdDFibmwyb2d1N3NrZXpoMSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/vLruErVSYGx8s/200w.webp
xj4low
Never get in an argument with a person who makes a living with the spoken word. That was his second mistake. His first was thinking that the rest of the world owes America when they clearly don't.
BorkSamson
You know whos insanely indebted to Americans?
Our politicians. haha...ha. I made myself sad.
NinjaCongo
I'd say his first mistake was being MAGA, but
TI99Kitty
Oh, it absolutely was. That goes hand-in-hand with the arrogance of believing Europe wouldn't exist if it weren't for us.
NinjaCongo
Lol I've been hearing Americans for years saying "if it wasn't for us, you'd be speaking German" yet here we are all speaking English...
BorkSamson
I only hear a certain crowd say such dumb shit tbh, and I live here.
Coincidentally, they share a uniform with the guy in the audience.
I hate 1/3rd of this country. Imbred, bible thumping, cognitive decline after age 8 tier fuckups.
And the worst part? Nationalism and MAGA has made the stupid people LOUD AS FUCK.
Kill em all. All the Maga. Idfc. If Its up to me to decide, zero years dungeon for any who do. Theyre not real Americans.
NinjaCongo
Kill'em all you say?
youreathing
I guarantee you the audience member think they "won" that whole exchange. Beyond delusional.
Jarjarthejedi
Yep. That's the problem. Once you get in the mentality that you're always right there's no real escape for you. If the US ever gets out of this it's going to be literal generations waiting for these people to die to get rid of this, there's no real way to help them until/unless they want to escape, and that's rare.
ChiLLeCheeze
I've had an exchange with MAGA like this and he would smugly pat me on the shoulder and tell me if I want to him to beat me in debate again to come back and talk. Circular reasoning be damned. I'm willing to win this bet.
BorkSamson
"Heh facts? Fact is, I hate black people and love billionaires. Theyre just like me, frfr. Im just down on my luck atm"
~Them, probably. Idk I tune out any Maggot talking pts.
ChiLLeCheeze
I've had a conversation like that.
Me: I don't like billionaires because they're evil for the things they do.
Him: "You can't say that about all billionaires, that's like saying all black people are evil."
Very telling when they go straight to skin color while I'm talking about economics.
MyVirginityIsGrowingBack
He is god damn proud of stopping Germany from going to war with every other country, while in the same breath also voting for America to go to war with every other country.
Dontstopbelever2000ismyfavoritesoap
Would've been good if he coulda come up with something good we did in the last like, 20 years. I mean, if the good you think your country did was an entire lifetime ago, maybe it doesnt count anymore
NinjaCongo
Yeah but you know, big countries have always fucked over everyone else, what are you gonna do like, you're always gonna have that, yadda yadda...
okayQpid
Exactly, America should simultaneously be worshipped for stopping one from doing it and allowed to do the same. And respected/admired/even rewarded for both! The cognitive dissonance is stunning.
hoefty
They don't see this as a contradiction. We "won" in WW2 so that's good. We're doing war with Iran presumably for our interests (in their mind) so that's good. It's not that they have a principled stance on war. It's that they like when the US is powerful and winning.
beefsteak73
It cuts off right where he asks the guy, "So, what's your favorite war?" and the hog answers "Whatever's the most profitable"
beefsteak73
Whenever they complain about someone doing something, what they're complaining about isn't the something, it's that they're not the someone.
OhIfIMust
zeusfdelta
SiameseDream
America stopped the Nazi's in 1944 so that America could f*#k over the little countries like it has always been since the world was spinning?!? That is one huge cognitive dissonance right there! Wow! This guy eats propaganda for breakfast, lunch, and dinner!
76000BatteryLlamas
The USSR stopped the Nazi's in 1944, the US helped, and then blew up Japan
MadamPuddifoot
Yes but don't make words plural with 's.
Sh1tMovieGroup
Not yet cognitive dissonance, given Hitlers whole schtick was taken from the US, influenced by Jim Crow and the US right.. they were the template the Nazis built themselves from
okayQpid
The US continues to lead in mental gymnastics more than any other category.
okayQpid
ā¦I meant more than any other category of gymnastics, but this works, too - objectively better.
beegobuzz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG0sMiH3Vys Victor Patrascan. Amazing comedian.
contextisimportant
@OP: there is some sauce to edit into the post.
gayvillian
400,000 Americans died in ww2, 27 million Soviets died. Def the Americans who did all the work. And then you have the war crimes, oh and the failure to prosecute war crimes to get technology. Yeah what would they have done without the US?
gayvillian
American in video: the US singlehandedly won ww2!!
Comic: that's just what you were told.
European audience: that's just what you were told.
Americans in the comments: the US singlehandedly won wurld war too!!!
BorkSamson
Whatever you are: Lies in the comments about what other comments are saying.
Literally nobody here is agreeing with this dumb fuck. Well.
One probably Mars account troll downvoted to oblivion, but if you count the 1 as the decider for the many, I'm gonna assume YOURE a maga.
thedeadmarchhare
British (+NZAC) intelligence, soviet blood, american industry were the major notes played throughout. It's very probable that significantly different outcomes would've occurred with the most miniscule of change such as Hitler poking Russia.
khaoselement
Look your overall point is correct, but also the Soviets used tactics that made it look like they were going for a high score in deaths. They cleared minefields by sending more bodies. Plus they were shot rather than being taken prisoner. Just give some context where it is due my dude.
LaffertyDanie1
There are many ways to argue the role of the US in ww2 is overstated. Both of these points are true but in no way make that case
gayvillian
The German military was much weaker and disorganized than generally accepted. Hitlers interventions throughout the war, especially at the end, frequently caused mass chaos and casualties. Generals were completely ignoring him at the end. Theres this prevalent mythos that the Germans were organized and well supplied. Not true at all. They had several early successes that were not repeated later, mostly due to lack of supplies, men, and Hitler micromanaging.
gayvillian
Did the US help the war? Absolutely. Did they win it? I would argue that their help was very important, but its American propaganda to say the US is the only reason Germany lost.
probablywontbearoundlong
I think it makes perfect sense to be proud the part we played in WWII. I think it even makes sense to inflate our roll in own minds a little because I think most countries do that with their own history. But this guy seems to be making some kind of logical leap that we can now stand up and say the rest of the world owes us. They owe us loyalty and in some cases money, they owe it to us to let us fuck up the world for the benefit of a few in our country. That's insane.
ThisNameIsMaybeTaken
I think Europe collectively did owe the US, and paid that debt with decades of friendship and such. We bonded over that, two friends helping each other out of a tough spot and keeping up with each other afterwards. And then one friend gets dementia and starts doing stupid shit.
delpharseven
American industrial and agricultural production kept the USSR in the world. Food aid to the USSR fed 12 million people. Military aid kept over 200 Soviet divisions in the field. After the war even Stalin admitted that without the US, the USSR would have fallen. During the war, when Stalin was pressuring the Allies to move up the main invasion of Europe, FDR said it was possible but would require pausing aid to the USSR. Stalin immediately backed down. I'm Canadian. We were in the war 1/
delpharseven
from the beginning and pulled more than our weight both militarily and economically, but even I am awestruck at what the US did in WW2. And yes, they did show up late, but at least they weren't actively helping Germany like the Soviets were prior to getting invaded. 2/2
mjtheking
I mean amount of deaths doesn't really matter. Canada was in the war pretty well since the start and only suffered 45000 casualties. They however were integral to most of the major missions
pgdave
The goal of war isn't to die for your country, but to make the other guy die for his. The Soviets were bad for their own people. I'm not saying that the war could've been won without their help, but looking just at the numbers is very, very misleading.
Avilan1972
The Soviets tied up Hitler for years and bled the Germans dry.
pgdave
Yup, they did a ton of things well and they were critical to the war effort - but the effects are best measured in how much the germans spent (in money, time, and men) fighting them, not in how many of their own soldiers died. That just shows that the Soviets paid a high price for what they got.
Ikwilstroopwaffels
America's biggest contribution was industrial, not military. America was pivotal in winning, but the important folks were in factories in Detroit.
gayvillian
Should always be noted american industry told Roosevelt to back off with worker protections and new deal type stuff if he wanted them to contribute to the war effort. All those products came with a huge asterisk.
Ikwilstroopwaffels
I believe the war powers placed industry under direct government control, did it not? The same justification was used for nationalization of the railroads during World War I.
Sliprunner
And as I understand, the largest contribution wasn't even in weaponry, but rather basic logistical supplies. Trucks, Trains, Food, and Boats. Get's harsher when you realize the Battle of Moscow started in Oct 1941, with war declarations regarding US not happening until that Dec 1941 (and US troops didn't arrive to europe until Jan 1942 IIRC)
Ikwilstroopwaffels
Trucks, railway locomotives, clothing, food, medical supplies, and fuel, was the bulk of it I believe. The US 2 1/2 ton truck won the war in Europe, as much as any other object.
Ikwilstroopwaffels
The US was supplying the UK via Lend-Lease long before the US entered the war, but I dont know if any aid made it to the soviets before spring or summer of 42. The Soviets were very more viewed as "the enemy of my enemy" than an ally like the UK, France, or the Netherlands.
FrancsTireur
It didnt.
Britain began supplying the Russians before the US agreed to extend the policy to them and even after they did extend it they still needed Britain to move the stuff to Russia via the Arctic convoy system. The first real impact of US aid to Russia was seen with operation bagration, by then a few hundred Shermans had reached the soviet armoured divisions and Mustangs were reaching the red airforce.
LTCmdrTomDodge
I donāt disagree with your sentiment, and I want to add a bit more context. The reason the Soviet numbers are so much higher is due to a few things. One is that the Soviets were actually invaded. Actual Military deaths are somewhere between 8 and 11 million. The rest were civilians. The high military deaths is largely due to the Nazis opting to kill rather than capture Soviet POWs more often than not. The other aspect is tactics. The Soviets employed human wave tactics in several battles 1/2
LTCmdrTomDodge
Which resulted in heavy casualties every time. Neither the US or any other allied power viewed losses at that scale as acceptable. Even the US 8th Air Force, which gained a reputation for disregarding the lives of its bomber pilots, adjusted its tactics to minimize casualties as much as they could while still achieving air superiority.
I only point this stuff out because the 27 million number you gave was presented as military KIA, when itās more in line with total population KIA.
MakeItBackAlright
It is very difficult to draw distinctions on the Eastern front between military and civilian casualties, you could even argue that significantly more were "military" since it was essentially Total War, with partisan fighting and civilians press-ganged into militia combat. Sure there was starvation and disease as well, but the Eastern Front was the uniquely brutal theater of war that broke Germany. The best thing the US did for the war effort was not supply Hitler.
Avilan1972
Of course. As a side note it is worth remembering that America has literally never been invaded. It has had enemy troops inside its territory twice: During the civil war, and a British retaliation force when trying to invade and occupy Canada unprovoked.
The point being that Americans talk loud about bravery but has literally never had to actually defend themselves in any meaningful way.
ButtblasterMcAssmaster
Technically there were Japanese troops on some of the Aleutian islands, but well. That's not much of an invasion.
probablywontbearoundlong
I'm against nationalism as much as anyone on this site, but this is a weird argument. The fact that we have an ocean to our west and an ocean to our east and are therefore difficult to invade is not some kind of moral argument against us.
NM156
But our big "Great America" nostalgia only happened because everyone else was rebuilding their countries instead of manufacturing.
Carl99
Its really hard to overstate the kind of psychological impact both world wars had on Europe precisely because of the scale of the destruction endured not only to lives, but to infrastructure, and how that effected post-war Europe.