Generallydontcare
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In battle, as long as you can rely on your brothers and sisters to do as they are trained that is all that matters. Not sexual preference...make this man president.
walaishy
The two golden rules of military inclusion: Keep up and carry your own pack.
CarreraCowboy
In the pilot world: be a good dude, fly a good jet, and don't make work for your bros.
dubbelu
+1
teknojo
Here here.
Nova5269
A drink to that!
ThatChecksOut
Seggs
as a Marine, "...pack and rifle."
BronzeLeaguePro
As a Norwegian conscript: The GRU is ALWAYS ON BODY.
tardismisunderstood
Aye I'll drink to that friend!
BronzeLeaguePro
So 90% of the women in the military should be booted out because they make the remaining 10% look bad.
JoeBobBriggs
If you cant keep up with the standards men have too yes. We have them for a reason lowering the bar can get people killed.
Seggs
as a Marine, "...pack and rifle."
TropicLightning
Aka...don't be a blue falcon.
darktempura
hey you dont see the motto for the electric strawberry too often ;)
TropicLightning
I was kind of a "bastard" electric strawberry....was at Ft. Lewis in last of 7th ID/Manchu, then 25th (5/20) for a bit b4 I ETS'd. 93'-96'
CHEMMAH
people still do not get it right: it's about LOVE not SEX.
InRetrospectIShouldveLearnedToSwimBeforeBecomingaSailor
I love my friends without being attracted to them and wanting to "SEX" them. I'm pretty sure this is why I'm not gay but I could be wrong...
probshouldntsayitbut
For a lot of people sex is a big part of love. The physical intimacy is kind of what sets that person apart from just being your friend.
LittleAldy
I came out as Bi after DADT was removed, turns out nobody in my division even gave the slightest shit.
cokeysmurf
Yeah, I've been in since '04, when people came out after DADT the surprise was on them. We already knew and don't care
connorcat
I've come to learn that, despite common belief, if you're homophobic in the military it WILL be hell.
MrStrabismus
So, it's just some civilians and politicians - who should probs mind their own business?
EatTacos
Pretty much, yep. People in the military only care if you can carry your own ruck. If you can do that, they got your back.
kickliquid
I watch your back, you watch my back..... wait...
Mec26
"That's nice. Hey, what's in the chow tent today?"
NevermindThatShitHereComesMongo
Friend of mine came out to us years ago. Iirc, we collectively exhaled, looked him in the eye and said "dude, you're blocking the TV"
Ant4N
Yeah. I didnt when people came out to me.
TheCorvus
The military is already gayer than a bag of dicks, so no one really noticed when people were allowed to be open about it
BarrythebionicdouchebagDylan
Former Af here, can confirm. I've seen some shit.
TheCorvus
Current AF here, still seeing the shit. It's glorious.
abrakadumbass
Former army. Literal shit.
ItsUncleSam
Most people don't. Even most republicans don't, but unfortunately the ones we put in office have pretty stupid beliefs regarding LGBT.
SomeCrazyNerd
It's because when voting isn't mandatory the motivated decide. Motivated includes homophobes.
Flyndaran
Mandatory voting would make more uneducated vote. It's bad now, but would probably be worse that way.
SomeCrazyNerd
The uneducated can be some of the most motivated votes. They are easier to manipulate.
lintwizard
The educated can be some of the most motivated votes. They understand the real values of their contributions and what's at stake! Waitaminut
SamaelTheVenomOfGod
It is really frustrating how the LGBT "issues" polarize conversations that could otherwise be productive, especially when most don't care.
ItsUncleSam
1/2 I'm a conservative. Fine with gays, transgender people are weird to me but I don't give a shit, let them be how they are. What other
SamaelTheVenomOfGod
It's like, "Are LGBT people citizens? Yes. Then why are we debating their rights?"
JuliaVT
"I don't care what you do with your parts, it's how you handle other privates"
Makecba
What a fucking great quote. Source?
JuliaVT
Me. I think. I may have heard it before, and it subconsciously came up, but as far as I know it was me. Sorry.
BBmathlvr
Try not to trip on that extremely low bar on your way out.
itsjustjake
It's clever. But I'm still glad Mattis is Secretary of Defense. It was a good decision on the President Elect's part.
BBmathlvr
I'm not too upset about it. Trump could, and has, done a lot worse than this marine general.
DirtyParrot
Damn straight.....I mean Damn right......forget it, I like what he said
ArcaneConjecture
Can we make this guy Vice President and send Mike Pence to Iraq?
Tinyp77
xrufus7x
Where are you hiding the rest of the pixels?
shakinbones
Actually probably more efficient having gay people serve. Two to a bed. Plus the barracks would be spotless.
InfOracle
The barracks would look fabulous!
whiteymcnight
I served in two branches. A lot of homophobic people, think a lot of them were secretly gay. what you do with your parts ain't my business.
MrAwesomesauce101
Which ones?
SenatorHillaryIAmStillInTheRaceClinton
I was in during the end of the don't ask don't tell policy and the only thing I heard from anyone was that it's about fucking time.
SenatorHillaryIAmStillInTheRaceClinton
Oh yeah, and the JAG lawyer that gave us the briefing on its end was named Maj. Cox. I kid you not.
WeirdStealth
I've known 3 different soldiers who was lesbian, one of which was very open about it, another flat out told me on a drive, and the other
WeirdStealth
introduced me to her wife after she got out of the military. If they don't tell you, it's really none of our business, and it don't matter.
WeirdStealth
all that matters is when they put on the uniform, they do their job, and they follow the orders they're given.
Horehey360
Well, whats the point of joining the military if you're not secretly gay? That's why the whole leather-man movement started.
LeJacquelope
Ever heard about the sailors in the submarine, and the barrel?
dizzyturtle
As long as they can shoot straight.
MrAwesomesauce101
Which ones?
whiteymcnight
Army and Air Force
Flyndaran
Air Force is military light. ;) I kid, but the guy I knew gained a lot of fat during boot camp.
colios903843
So many people are giving this guy shit. Uh, He's actually someone that can/will push back on Trump. Imagine if Rudy or Gringich got it.
complimentpin
what about iran? i care more on his opinion of iran, since my family lives there...
ARandomHelljumper
He forced the Obama Adm. to halt all planning for war against Iran until they had a solid, complete understanding, which cost him his job.
DrKriegersClone
Why stop planning, instead of get the politicians up to an appropriate level of understanding? Iran is probably one of the top five 1/
DrKriegersClone
2/ possibilities for a major conflict to happen. There probably ought to be plans in place at least for contingency.
ferengischoolofbusiness
I like this guy, he expects you to kill everyone that has planned to shoot at you
GreenJ
So he's not down with threesomes and orgies?!?!
DanielWhiffin
The one Trump appointee that a) is actually goddamn competent and b) won't set fir to their department for sh*ts and giggles.
complimentpin
check his stance on iran
MandaloreTheODST
Which part and what about it
Jupman
Ms McMahon is also good for the SBA, The WWE is a business I respect.
jaijaikali
Agreed, and I say that as a left of Bernie socialist with hawkish tendencies.
Flyndaran
Literally the only one not anti-qualified that I've heard of. Trump's a Captain Planet villain doing as much damage as he physically can.
CommanderWilliamTRiker
I'd argue that he'll be one of the biggest opponents to Trump.
IWasInThePool
Elaine Chao is not a nightmare as Transportation Secretary. She has cabinet experience and seems supportive of autonomous vehicles.
DanielWhiffin
Huh, I'm in Europe. Hadn't heard about her much,.
kiruwa
I'm not surprised
IWasInThePool
My biggest complaint is she's married to Mitch McConnell, the Republican leader in the Senate. She got her nomination right as McConnell
TheContemplatorOfFate
could be a way to control him, McConnell wouldn't be where he is now without her family's wealth and influence.
IWasInThePool
2) was publicly disagreeing with the idea that the Russians meddled in Trump's election.
kiruwa
Most of them are actually fairly competent. The firebrands are mostly "advisors" and generally non-administrative.
TheJudgeHasItBackwards
You mean, except for Pruitt, Perry, and DeVos, who are diametrically opposed to the very function of the departments they are to run?
kiruwa
Is DeVos supposed to be be pro-education? or only pro-education bureaucracy?
NotFarEnough
What, competent at dismantling the departments they're appointed to?
kiruwa
Some of them, maybe. I don't like his commerce pick, but I didn't get elected president partly by promising the things Ross likes.
Rayfire3535
And then there's Rex.
kiruwa
Rex is certainly competent. And the main argument against him seems to be "he did business in Russia".
Rayfire3535
While he is competent, I question his motives. The oil drilling Exxon has in Russia is twice what's available in the rest of the world (1)
Rayfire3535
(2) combined. Drilling only restricted by current sanctions. That said, I was saying he is neither a firebrand or non-administrative.
Rayfire3535
While he is competent, I question his motives. The oil drilling Exxon has in Russia is twice what's available in the rest of the world (1)
kiruwa
Huh... do you have a source for that? I was under the impression that Russia didn't have that much in reserve (relatively speaking)
kiruwa
On the topic of Rex, however... I'm not sure that actually matters. People CAN leave companies, it is allowed. :)
TheStealthHippopotamus
How many people do we have to kill to make this man President?!?
Jugarnath
"Mattis...lifelong bachelor...never been married...has no children...nicknamed "The Warrior Monk" because of his bachelor life." *wink*
Sypher11705
When you face a war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy
HermitWizard
I've been thinking of joining the military, I too do not care for kids and wives and such. Nice to see people that think the same way.
malikcarr
No time for family, too busy with war. He's like a modern Karl XII. Maybe Sabaton will make an album for him too?
FishAndRiceKeks
I thought his nickname was "Mad Dog" Mattis?
mrcynic
That is as well, but apparently the man has done enough to earn multiple nicknames
jonestown
It's a bit ironic that we're discussing MD's orientation in this post.
grndpnder
Supply was all out. It's just more gear to keep track of anyway.
JoeBobBriggs
Lets be honest he is probably drowning in pussy and hes smart enough not to ruin that by getting married.
gablestout
If the Marine Corps wanted him to have a wife, we would have issued him one.
GayPeacock
My dad was a Marine before he switched to Army. When I asked why, he said this. I didn't know it was a popular phrase until I grew up.
BewareTheJabberwockie
Could also be asexual having no particular feelings either way.
BewareTheJabberwockie
My great uncle was in the navy in ww2 never married...around 94 now or so. We think he has aspergs though
Flyndaran
Autism isn't a romantic or sexual orientation though. It makes relationships difficult but not impossible. Source-Me. :)
CokieMonster69
He's smart. The military lifestyle isn't exactly conducive to having a family. Better off without the distraction of a dependapotamus.
Flyndaran
I don't like parents spending months to years away from kids. That's not parenting, in my opinion. Fight me!
CokieMonster69
Don't know how so many people do it. Then they get divorced and have to drive 5 hours across MT to an airport and fly to see their kids...
floofitysnoof
+1 for dependapotomus!
shmuckatelliLCPLtype
What do you mean no kids? He's the father of 180,000 marines!
CallSignTinMan
Those are Marines, not kids.
JohnnyTitelips
And I bet you upvote a post wherein someone calls their fucking dog their kid dontcha, cunt?
Asexypieceoftoast1371
Um.... Have you ever met a Marine before?
CallSignTinMan
Plenty, but they're still marines. Even the dumb ones.
unprofessionalangler
We are children. Smart, stupid, strong, weak, old, young, boot, saltdog. All children.
unprofessionalangler
^ this guy knows what's up
Toralar
Lol I was about to say this
saltpogbootfuckglowbeltshowershoebootasspogassbitchass
We are not children! btw I need new crayons, just ate all of mine
sandollor
Adapt and overcome; it's time to start coloring with your turds.
Notanotherdamnone
Ate or finally fit them all up your nose. Again.
Tehxgrims
Mad dog 2020
Tater4049
Do they still make that? I thought it died with Ripple and Boones Farm.
Tehxgrims
It's hard as Shit to find. But I have seen the occasional stray case or two in my region of Va
Tater4049
Don't misunderstand me. MD 20/20 is probably the nastiest crap I ever drank. I just haven't heard it mentioned in awhile. So you don't 1/2
Tater4049
have to worry about me driving from Oklahoma to Virginia to find it. But if you find some Ripple let me know. Lol 2/2
Wutnameisnotinuse
The "make this man president" statement at the end of this post is so stupid. Just based off one of his opinion? This pisses me off.
Marvelous1
Mad Dog 2020!!!
PappyBruns
So... how would that work, does the USMC become the first lady?
bigmee
Perfect fucking comment
Generallydontcare
I wish!
KenKorte
I served under Mattis in Iraq, we could ask for no finer counter balance to Trump than him when it comes to our military.
Generallydontcare
Im glad Trump was wise enough to know this.
IcyPeter
I like this
spankythedog
Best candidate ever! But gonna be a hell of a hangover next election
BurnItWithFire
That comment made me snort thanks for that.
ifistandroidgirls
Yes!
Besteger
I'll drink to that!
TheGirafe
Wait can we do Biden for pres & Mad Dog for vice pres?
MandaloreTheODST
jdis0351
Quick reelection, Trump or Mad Dog. Mad dog wins by a land slide.
Aussieausti
He has already said that his place is not in politics and that his place is on the battlefield
nothingtodoandalldaytodoit
No clue as to the reference- my first thoughts were music group WASP (song "Mean Man") and then that horrible drink from my late teens.
IfILikeYourJokeITellYou
WASP!!!
PappyBruns
So... how would that work, does the USMC become the first lady?
HeinrichHiTheSSGuy
Yeah WW3 incoming!
Notanotherdamnone
Chaos 2020!
frankwhite77
Username checks out
BeautifulThighs
Yes please
ImJustHereToMakePeopleCry
And SgtMaj Kasal as VP!
Neuronzap
Holy shit.
stillers2000
http://www.drinksupermarket.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/m/d/md-20-20-orange-jubilee-75cl.jpg
isitduckorduct
I got hungover just looking at this pic
isitduckorduct
I got hungover just looking at this pic
stillers2000
As an HVAC contractor I dig your username
stillers2000
to help out the non-alcoholics of the group (i assume there's some out there)
DorbinCallas
I guess having someone who is ready to kill everyone he meets makes him a good choice for Emper... President.
PappyBruns
Overly sensationalized, the full quote is about having a plan to kill everyone you meet as a contingency, not a primary course of action.
OutrageousHemmorhoid
That's how I live, and I'm a civilian!
PappyBruns
Honestly, take some time to read up on the man, It is better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war.
tiberiuswhythecrapcantweuseunderscoresxxvii
Not "ready"; have a plan for. Hell, even Batman's like that (granted, for him it's neutralize rather than kill, but same idea).
MandaloreTheODST
Same concept, just changes based on occupation just like it would in a situation where Mattis is president
Dtothechalmers
As a scottishman mad dog 2020 is a very popular alcoholic beverage in scotland
chilimagik
Cheap and oh so cheerful
dicapricorn
I'm glad someone said it
IWantToHaveTheLongestUserNamePossibleJustToBeAnnoyingWhenIPost
Please send me some. I'll pay whatever the cost. As a Marine, this has such a gloriousness to it.
IWantToHaveTheLongestUserNamePossibleJustToBeAnnoyingWhenIPost
Please send me some. I'll pay whatever the cost. As a Marine, this has such gloriousness to it.
IWantToHaveTheLongestUserNamePossibleJustToBeAnnoyingWhenIPost
I can send you some Budweiser to wash your undies with if you'd like. It's really all it's good for.
Dtothechalmers
Not sure i'd be able to send it personally but if you let me know the region you live first of all i'll have a look into how to get some.
Dtothechalmers
To you and double check on the rules about sending booze and so on
TheRelevancyOfMyNameIsRelativelyIrrelevant
KeisatsuOtaku
Ah yes the Vulture....aka MadDog
KeisatsuOtaku
Ah yes the Vulture....aka MadDog
Rockmontana
This guy is Patton on drugs
SomeCrazyNerd
Patton was an arsehole. This guys sems a bit more admirable. More like a nice person who just accepts the need for unpleasant methods.
MandaloreTheODST
I like this comparison much more than calling him our generations Patton.
TheDarkLordOfTrees
Patton was on drugs tho. Like a lot
4775795f4d616e
Patton on double drugs
styvan
Well, Mattis was born 5 years after Patton died. Reincarnation anyone?
Freightshaker
Given massive logistical support, unrivaled air superiority, and overwhelming fire support, I can't think of a better commander than Patton.
JohnnyTitelips
Other way around. Patton carried twin ivory-plated revolvers at all times. But still, point taken.
Entartika
What did you think he was gonna say?? lol
nipplepanties
People are trying to do anything to back peddle on the Obama admin. His opinion weighs heavily and they might have used it to redact laws.
unprofessionalangler
The thing is, Mattis doesn't kiss ass. He says what he thinks and if you don't like it, he doesn't care. He's not here to appease people.
JohnnyTitelips
Something else. Military men tend to be rather socially conservative, you know.
wonder89
Publicly.
racistralphy
Socially liberal actually. Fiscally we tend to lean more toward the right.
JohnnyTitelips
Not really.
racistralphy
As long as you can pull your own weight, color, religion, sex, etc doesn't matter. Not sure why you feel otherwise.
JohnnyTitelips
I don't feel otherwise. I'm saying that from what I observed, most people in the military are conservative. And the numbers back it up.
Cereaza
He was asked about Women and LGBT. And he entirely dodged the questioning around women in combat roles.
Lizaderp
Link?
Cereaza
I mean, I watched all his Senate Confirmation. I can't remember who was asking the question, but it was in Armed Services.
AgentWilloughby
http://www.stripes.com/news/us/mattis-backs-women-in-combat-nato-alliance-1.448599 He's not looking for problems but neither is he settled.
Bane779
I would rather have a man who has seen the horrors of war than a man who has never set foot on a battlefield
nerfherdingcats
And I can't wait to get out the man who controls ISIS to terrorize the middle east :D
dizzyturtle
Fun fact, the only president to be on a Battlefield during his presidency was James Madison during the War of 1812.
BigAZNMan
Really helps when understanding foreign affairs and leading the military. I think only 30% + or - approved of Obama.
BigAZNMan
I know none of my military friends (active/ retired) approve of him. http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/obama-legacy-military
HALOHeinz
Well, that happens when you find out that you no longer have CAS because pilots have to ID human targets while flying at 500' and 250knts
nerfherdingcats
And I would rather have someone who doesn't use the horrors of war to his advantage - aka using isis to control assad and terrorizing M.East
bvtthole
I said this last time something like this was said and I'll say it again; I'd really like to have leaders that aren't used to war.
HALOHeinz
Leaders should know first hand what "worst case scenario" looks like, not have some fleeting childlike idea of what war is actually like.
Bane779
And do you know what it's like. Those that know it will do anything to keep others from having to experience it.
CertifiedTintinologist
Yet he has to listen to Trump hand and foot for next 4 years. Guess which category Trump falls into.
JohnnyTitelips
Nah. Isn't that kind of guy, I don't think.
SteveMND
Foot. Trump is definitely a foot.
pdxenburg
With bone spurs
Toralar
Mattis isn't afraid to tell Trump to go fuck himself, though he'd probably be more diplomatic about it.
Notanotherdamnone
He did it a few times to Obama. Then he simply quit
EmeraldN
"Mr. President, i'd like to request that you go fuck yourself"
EmeraldN
"Mr. President, i'd like to request that you go fuck yourself"
Toralar
Perfect.
Rayfire3535
Still the first time he tells Trump to go Fuck himself...oh to have a spycam in that room.
Notanotherdamnone
Accompanied by a brutal knife hand!
Notanotherdamnone
Accompanied by a brutal knife hand!
FajitaPrinceofAllMexicans
Unfortunately either Trump is gonna not understand what he meant OR just have a fuss on Twitter.
CertifiedTintinologist
That's why I unfortunately think Mattis is going to resign his position at some point in the next 4 years. Or Trump's going to replace him
notnowthankyou
you believe this man to be a quitter?
CertifiedTintinologist
If he is being treated like an inconsequential puppet by a delusional demagogue? Yes, I believe Mattis's dignity would tell him to resign.
OmenRider
I think if he axes Mattis for mere disagreements/arguments, Trump will lose what little respect he has left from the US military.
CertifiedTintinologist
Don't count on it. Denouncing tortured war veterans as "losers" and "not heroes" is not enough to get military to denounce him so...
Toralar
I guess we'll see.
thewiggins
Noth'n more gay than caring about what another man does with his dick.
zenton
Exactly. This statement is the best.
VilanoLux
damn, never thought about it like that. going to use that in the future
nakedasajaybird
You say that now, but wait 'til some guy tries to put his dick in your mother, sister, and/or daughter.
Speldrawng
Because caring about it means you have to imagine what he does with it, and then get upset when you don't mind imagining it ---> homophobia.
nakedasajaybird
You say that now, but wait 'til some guy tries to put his dick in your mother, sister, wife, girlfriend, and/or daughter.
GetMeLizLemon
My sister recently lost her virginity to a respectable dude. Totally cool with it. Why be mad at either of them for what we're wired to do?
nakedasajaybird
Wait until it's some guy you don't know or don't respect and see how you feel.
GetMeLizLemon
Honestly, I'd just offer advice and hope she follows it. She's an adult after all. Also I swear I'm not just dissenting for shits and gigs.
spiffylookingnerfherder
Mother, wife, sister, girlfriend, and daughter? First, does the wife know about the girlfriend?
USD1
If the wife knew, the wife would be a widow.
oneeyesun
He may not care about consenting adults but he does think that women and lgbtq undermines military readiness.
CokieMonster69
Because they already have lower requirements on their physical fitness tests across all services (look it up). Just facts.
DrKriegersClone
Wasn't that more to do with shortages of applicants who could meet prior standards, as the population gets fatter and more sedentary?
CokieMonster69
No, there're two separate columns for fitness scores, one for men, one for women. Women have lower fitness standards. Personally, I 1)
CokieMonster69
support women in the military, but I don't think Mattis is being chauvinistic, he's being fair
SoundFuture
Having read as much as I have on him I have a feeling he holds that opinion for logical reasons as opposed to ideological or emotional ones.
IllCaesar
No good logical reason, though. Able to trust them with multi-million dollar weapons but can't expect them to be civil with a gay person?
SoundFuture
He seems to be mainly worried about legitimate things like the stresses that transitioning puts on a person and romantic entanglements./1
SoundFuture
"Some of us aren't so old that we've forgotten at time's it was like heaven on earth to hold a certain girl's hand." 2/
sarkastic
Who cares about LGBT troops? Such a non-issue. Way more important issues in foreign policy than identity politics.
IllCaesar
Too bad Trump doesn't think so. Wants to revisit it.
Generallydontcare
You would think so right.
ThreeDimesDown
U must b talking @ identity politics of rw Christian homophobes who think gay soldiers are a sign of moral decline. Yeah, I hate that, too.
onweekendsiputcondomsonraccoons
It wasn't a "non issue" until pretty recently so the question may have been asked for the sake of LGBT service men active right now that-
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onweekendsiputcondomsonraccoons
are worried about how the new conservative administration will go about treating them. Im sure there were many other questions asked.
ShrubNinja
True, I hadn't thought about it being asked for the benefit of LGBT service members.
Jasperman62
He also said "I believe military service is a touchstone of patriots of whatever stripe"
SmolTenk
I disagree. But then I am a civvie, so what do I know.
DrKriegersClone
That could have been meant as it's important that everyone should have the chance to be patriotic through service, rather than that 1/
SmolTenk
huh. Not a native speaker, so i didnt catch that.
DrKriegersClone
2/ service is the only right way to be patriotic.
VilanoLux
You do realize that he has come out in the past against female integration into combat units and openly serving...
Generallydontcare
And his position on that has changed...id object as well if qualification standards were lowered just for the sake of having women out there
Dawnstempest
And? Women do NOT deserve spots in combat units if they cannot keep up. And let's be real, most of them can't keep up with the men.
baconsmellsreallygood
The issue isn't letting females in. The issue was allowing female Marines hold combat roles while being held at a lower standard
VilanoLux
Where did I make a counter claim to this? Can you source any evidence that show that standards were lowered? 1/2
VilanoLux
If you saw any of my other comments on this post. I completely agree that any lowering of standards would be an issue. 2/3
VilanoLux
I'm only highlighting how this post is misleading. He is still against these policies but is looking past them.Not trying to change the laws
Generallydontcare
And his position on that has changed...id object as well if qualification standards were lowered just for the sake of having women out there
Cstriker01
Captain Katie Petronio, a marine corp combat female who has some interesting articles on females in combat roles and stress is causes.
Generallydontcare
And his position on that has changed...id object as well if qualification standards were lowered just for the sake of having women out there
VilanoLux
His position hasnt changed I watched the hearing and these points He simply stated that as leader he would address problems on his desk 1/2
VilanoLux
He won't try and change previous policies that have been put into place. I watched the hearing. If I'm wrong, please show me (2/3)
VilanoLux
Always down to learn something new. Only request a source.
Generallydontcare
Haha even if i provide the source you wouldnt change you will just ignore it and i would have wasted 3 mins. Carry on lib
VilanoLux
Don't know why I wrote that I watched it twice. Wish I could edit. FML
ICantThinkOfAU
Making sudden massive changes like that are a genuinely scary prospect when peoples lives are on the line. It's a very delicate tightrope1/3
ICantThinkOfAU
walk, the line between doing what's fair and what's best for keeping those under you safe. The (general) physical and psychological 2/3
ICantThinkOfAU
differences between men and women are a much bigger issue than letting gay people serve. 3/3
VilanoLux
I imagine your comment was in reference to my original one. I couldn't agree more on your points.
VilanoLux
I imagine your comment was in reference to my original one. I couldn't agree more on your points. 1/2
VilanoLux
I was only referencing the fact that General Mattis has never changed his original positions. He is only looking to move forward not back.
ICantThinkOfAU
Yeah it was, must've had this page open for ages before replying, it claimed to have no replies when I sent it, sorry haha
VilanoLux
No worries at all :) Your points are valid and stand IMO so it definitely contributed.
Gehennan
The only Trump appointment that hasn't made me nervous.
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scoot1331
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fockincats
John Bassert is top class. Flynn will probably be ok.
PMMeYourPopplios
idiot have you heard of Elon Musk? (the idiot was sarcastic btw)
Virophile
This appointment actually gives me hope. I've hear he carries around a copy of Meditations by Marcus Aurelius.
spookyu
His library is supposed to be very extensive, he is known for being a well read man.
solaslunas
Well, he's RUTHLESS when you finally get him to fight, so I'm just worried someone needs to be reminded of what he does with an example.
ragekritz
I feel like he chose him because he had a nick name "mad dog" and that's about as much research as trump did. hopefully not true but.... eh
FrostMarvel
Jeff Sessions?
spicepoet
He'll be the adult in the room while the others are throwing their tantrums, attention seeking games or playing up their ulterior motives.
rickeyspanish
well the liberal media has constantly made fun of his nickname "MAD DOG" now he doesn't care about gays, he is A OK
lmno01
David skulkin isn't bad, was undersecretary of health with Obama's administration.
jenniferlawrenceisabear
Did you listen to Rex Tillerson's confirmation hearing?
ferengischoolofbusiness
Yep
complimentpin
check out his stance on iran
MandaloreTheODST
Which part
princeaizen
Won't be saying that when we go to war with Iran
meganly
I don't like him but Terry Brandstad isn't an awful choice to be ambassador to China. Iowa and China are surprisingly tight.
Naseth
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnd there it goes...
goodpoltergeist
DHS head is a good one too.
samsonguy920
Funny thing is, I want our representative to get his appointment, so we can get someone in his place to do better.
stalinomatic
Tillerson's hearing was good too. He was the smartest man in the room.
shooter45
Tillerson was awesome. Highly informed. He'll do great.
ImgurMadeMeChangeMyNameCauseItsDumb
That guy is so fucking compromised. Everything is oil with him. Super short sighted.
shooter45
Tillerson was awesome. Highly informed. He'll do great.
rukhgw2
He'll do great at letting Russia get their way so Exxon Mobil can make huge amounts of money.
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...What?
KellyanneAlternativeFacts
Tillerson is buddy buddy with Putin and has tons of financial investment in Russia. It would be impossible for his actions NOT to be biased
fockincats
John Bassert is top class. Flynn will probably be ok.
chunkums
Flynn is a conspiracy theory peddling maniac.
KellyanneAlternativeFacts
Yeah, holy shit, how do people think Flynn will be good?
fockincats
If you work in 1st rate cybersec and you don't have some kind of extreme mental illness, especially like paranoia, YOU are the crazy one.(1)
fockincats
(2) Funny how when the news pushes its conspiracy theories and lies, they're not crazy though. Flynn is crazy. News organizations are crazy.
fockincats
Choose your fucking lie to believe, because you'll die before you get to the bottom of a tenth of the mysteries on either side.
MisterGiffen
Has me nervous. He's on the board of General Dynamics, a drone company and quoted as saying "it was fun to shoot some people".
Generallydontcare
No he isnt he resigned. Do some reading. Stay off CNN
Gehennan
I've read that quote in context and I'll be honest it didn't really bother me.
Gehennan
http://www.politico.com/blogs/donald-trump-administration/2016/12/james-mattis-quotes-232097 full quote in #1
MandaloreTheODST
The quote is always taken outta context.
ItsUncleSam
If you actually knew anything about him besides the 5 words taken out of contexts for a paragraph, you wouldn't be nervous. He's the
MisterGiffen
I have, a lot. Still quite nervous that he'll keep us in wars indefinitely. It's all he has. I'd like to see someone express ending them.
ItsUncleSam
When he goes to war, he goes to get the job done and end it quickly. Kind of like speak softly carry a big stick.
ItsUncleSam
greatest military mind in modern history, and he cares deeply about the men under him. Read up on him, don't parrot the one thing you heard.
Punderstandable
It is if you think of it in terms of Trump preparing to go to war. The rest of his cabinet does a great job of stirring up unrest, so step 1
unprofessionalangler
But Mattis isn't a war monger... So what is your point? Having a qualified and experienced individual in a government position is bad?
Punderstandable
No point, I just like sharing the paranoid conspiracy ideas. Mattis is a great man to have, especially if you're looking to win wars.
unprofessionalangler
Or to avoid them. "I come in peace. I didn’t bring artillery. But I’m pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: 1/
unprofessionalangler
If you fuck with me, I’ll kill you all." People tend to rethink aggression when met with attitudes such as these. 2/2
SteelFuelCantMeltBeamJets
He's trying to diffuse the situation. Obama is the one deploying troops to Germany and imposing sanctions
Punderstandable
I don't pretend to think I know what he's planning, I just like considering the most conspiracy-styled interpretations of it all.
TakWriterOfWorlds
Deploying troops to Germany?
SteelFuelCantMeltBeamJets
As an potential offensive to "Russian aggresion". From what I've seen, the US seems to be the instigator
MandaloreTheODST
Damn so supporting our alliances is instigating now?
CoBr2
Dude is pretty well liked in the military and Marines can't hear his name without popping a boner. Genuinely a good pick by any standard.
100percentgenuineimitation
I ran his conference room at NATO when he was Supreme Allied Commander Transformation! He has my utmost respect.
x7j6
As a Marine, true statement. My whole shop went wild when we heard Mad-dog was nominated.
CoBr2
There are very few generals as well loved as him. We had Welsh for awhile, but I can't think of anyone else in a diff service as loved.
spookyu
http://terminallance.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Strip_Lord_Mattis_IV_web-1.jpg
WalnutLawnmower
Excellence. :'D Have you read his graphic novel, 'The White Donkey'? It's a captive work.
spookyu
I have not, I need to though!
RobertNAdams
His callsign was "Chaos", of course he is. Dude is fucking metal.
sulfuratus
That's an odd fetish, but I don't care about other people's sexuality more than he does, so I'm fine with that.
eetsumkaus
gives a different meaning to "Full Metal Jacket"
RobertNAdams
Full Metal Jackin' It
DocFlash
I came back to upvote you.
TheBlackVan
Ben Carson wasn't too scary either.
ferengischoolofbusiness
Yep
guactopus
Dude got the job because he's black. Black guy? Urban? Obvious! -Trump
LinearAlgebro
he turned down secretary of state, you know
TakWriterOfWorlds
Not scary, more: head scratchy. Housing and Urban development? I'm not sure what his career as a surgeon did to prepare him for that.
TakWriterOfWorlds
Where'd that colon come from?
ThePlayerFormerlyKnownAsYesfredfred
Pulled it out of his ass
ThePlayerFormerlyKnownAsYesfredfred
That's a pun, NOT criticizing the above comment
MemesNDreams16
He rejected offers for Surgeon General which weird af cause it be something he'd excell at considering his background
TakWriterOfWorlds
I just assumed that was a deal to save face. He didn't get picked but they agreed to tell everyone that he turned it down instead.
MemesNDreams16
I could still see him as Surgeon General or as an alternative go to the FDA, CDC. The man has potential when it comes to the medical field
LinearAlgebro
He grew up in a poor urban household, at least he relates to the people
TakWriterOfWorlds
I grew up speaking English that doesn't mean I should be given a job teaching. Then again very few of the picks are actually qualified.
Gehennan
He's a really weird choice for Housing and Urban Development, what with his complete lack of connection to what it does.
TheBlackVan
It's government work. He's a brain surgeon.
TheBlackVan
It's not like whatever HUD does is like brain surgery or something.
tiddersandbacon
So...how far down the next-in- lineto be president is he? .....Asking for a friend
spookyu
http://www.duffelblog.com/2016/12/military-frantically-googling-defense-secretary-presidential-order-succession/
Leithoa
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand, watchlist.
Gehennan
6.
Gehennan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession
madetheaccountjustforyou
Nothing bad ever comes from appointing military to oversight positions intended for civilians. *eyeroll*
BillyMaysHereWithOxiClean
Probably just as much from appointing civilians. Stupidity knows no borders.
Generallydontcare
Look at the cluster fuck civilians got us in. Everyone that runs for office should serve in the military. With no military, no country...
madetheaccountjustforyou
That's the worst idea ever. I'm sure various military dictatorships around the world agree with you.
ShrubNinja
Serving in the military doesn't mean you automatically become some power hungry maniac.
TargaryenLoyalist
Conversely, nor is it the only thing that qualifies a person for political office.
Talmorean
He's a civilian now. He's retired. So your argument is invalid.
madetheaccountjustforyou
He's prohibited by law from holding that position. They will have to make an exemption for him. Fuck you.
SweatyClams
You need to lay off the tumblr and get out more man, the world wont be your safe space.
Talmorean
That waiver passed, by a large margin, it's not illegal. Fuck me? Need a hug snowflake? Get back to making coffee cunt.
madetheaccountjustforyou
It's not an invalid argument when the law doesn't consider him "civilian" enough for the position, dumbass.
MandaloreTheODST
Jeez, saying fuck you like that was uncalled for. Yeah he was a bit blunt but then you went and started insulting people.
madetheaccountjustforyou
I was blunt back to the idiot.
Gehennan
18 out the last 25 secretaries of defense had previously served in the military.
madetheaccountjustforyou
Yet only one required a waiver to get around the restrictions in the law on who can hold the position.
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madetheaccountjustforyou
Marginally less. He's one of 5 military peeps Trumps putting in the government. Our civilian government shouldn't be filled with military.
Gehennan
True, but I think that context does make it seem less alarming.
radas86
Same here. Seems like an intelligent and articulate individual.
Sanguiluna
This man is probably the closest thing we have to Big Boss in the real world.
SteveMND
How the hell did HE get involved in this upcoming train wreck then?
kawwmoi
More importantly, how many people need to be impeached/assassinated before he's president?
kawwmoi
Nevermind, I just looked it up and the answer is 6.
xrufus7x
Thats really not that many
comacomacomacomachameleon
Intelligent and articulate, but still has the "says what he means" persona that was popular with Trump supporters.
radas86
I don't know. But after hearing he may have convinced Trump that torture doesn't work, his influence can only be a good thing.
Tonisaurus
Wait, an a non-american I'm confused... is he popular? I thought he was the guy who said shooting people was fun
rvleshrac
His statements are more likely to get our troops killed than applauded, so no, no one intelligent likes him.
erischilde
Non American, and I like this guy generally. Like: do everything not to fight, but if you have to, win.
JohnnyTitelips
He's a commander of warriors. Need to pump them up before going into battle.
Gehennan
Most of Trump's appointees have spent their whole lives uptill now trying to destroy what he wants to put them in charge of.
WhiskeyTriggerFinger
He did, in a specific context. And in that context, he's correct. A warrior hates violence but loves combat.
maximinusthrax1
Taken in context, that's the kind of person the military needs right now.
CarreraCowboy
Turns out... when you boil it all down, the military's job is to shoot people and break their stuff...
Gehennan
http://www.politico.com/blogs/donald-trump-administration/2016/12/james-mattis-quotes-232097 I believe you're referring to the first one.
WhiskeyTriggerFinger
He did, in a specific context. And in that context, he's correct. A warrior hates violence but loves combat.
6313326
1. See whoppers' comment for the quote. On my end, most of Trump's appts seem horrific, but the only worry I have re: Mattis is that he'll
6313326
2. be in hot water after assaulting someone who's being a jackass a meeting. The man does not suffer fools.
xrufus7x
So like the president. God I hope Cspan records that.
anarkos
Shooting people that deserve to be shot isn't fun?
PsychopompGecko
Not too many negatives, BUT he did kinda fail to win Iraq and stabilize it. He tried. And then he wanted to invade Iran, too.
Virophile
He is viewed as competent and intelligent. With as much craziness as there is in our politics right now, this is (relatively) comforting.
Dawnstempest
Depending on who you are shooting, it is damned fun. Some people do not deserve to live, because they aren't people at all.
CIAtimetravelinghitlerkiller
Yeah shooting people is fun.
SecSantaThrowAway
Yeah, he said that, but he's also one of the few generals I can think of that started their career as enlisted and laterally moved to a 1/2
SecSantaThrowAway
3/3 during his brief time as an enlisted Marine, he is widely considered one of the most competent commanders in the armed forces.
SecSantaThrowAway
2/3 officers commission, having served since the Vietnam War, he has had experience in commanding on the ground, and even being commanded
ShrubNinja
I'm pretty sure that was a metaphor that was taken out of context. He was basically saying "Be prepared for the worst".
MandaloreTheODST
You're thinking of a different quote. It you're right in that one essentially being a metaphor
japh
In the relevant quote, he was talking about shooting people who beat their wives for not wearing a veil.
ShrubNinja
Ah, ok. I was thinking of a different quote.
MandaloreTheODST
You're thinking of a different quote. But you're right in that one essentially being a metaphor
Jessifer
He did say that. But he also is and can manage to stay level headed in issues of defense. And being in he knows where money should go.
Tonisaurus
So hes called mad-dog but he's level headed? I really don't understand the states! I guess that's reassuring?
MandaloreTheODST
Well it's a nickname given to him by his troops after a battle and popularized by the press. He himself doesn't like it.
RobertNAdams
He's Winston from Overwatch, basically. Really smart & careful, but if you piss him off enough... oh... oh no.
maelstromverbae
He's also called the Warrior Monk iirc?
MandaloreTheODST
Well it's a nickname given to him by his troops after a battle and popularized by the press. He himself doesn't like it.
Zaayl
Maybe hes like a mullet? Party on the battlefield, business behind the desk?
6313326
"Mad dog" once he's in fight. Think of it in terms of "not the guy to throw the first punch, but sure as hell the guy to throw the last".
MandaloreTheODST
Well it's a nickname given to him by his troops after a battle and popularized by the press. He himself doesn't like it.
shooter45
He's called mad dog because when it comes to it, if he has to fight, he's gonna bring the pain and win.
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
My question is how is he going to adapt to a role in the Trump administration? After all, he said "For a sitting U.S. president to see 1/
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
our allies as freeloaders is nuts." About Obama's stance on the UAE. Will he stand up to Trump in private meetings? After all, that's 2/
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
exactly what Trump accused our NATO allies of doing several times on the campaign trail. 3/3
TheJudgeHasItBackwards
I don't see him bending over for Trump. He has shown no evidence of crony behavior in the past, and no evidence he courted the appointment.
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
Oh, I wouldn't ever think that he'd partake in any "crony behavior" for Trump. I was more thinking generally about the real difficulties 1/
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
any cabinet level position can have when the Secretary fundamentally disagrees with the perception of the President. Add in Trump's uneven 2
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
and unpredictable response to different cases of being challenged, and I could see it being a tough situation to really do well (for Mattis)
BrassXD
I thought basically all Americans thought 'oh fuck'. I mean the guy's nickname is mad dog
MandaloreTheODST
It's a actually a nickname he hates
CoBr2
That's a compliment actually. His branch, the Marines, get the nickname "Devil Dogs". It's a term of endearment. He's the MOST marine
OmenRider
He's also known as the "Warrior Monk."
maythedoctorbewithyou
Fun fact: He actually hates that nickname. He much prefers being called by his callsign, "Chaos", or simply by his name.
BrassXD
I would expect he did, yes
6313326
1. Nah, he's a "mad dog" once engaged in fight and concerning his troops, but he's good people. I mean, he'd probably make an awful diplomat
KNEECAPS
He might be a pretty good diplomat. He speaks his mind, but does it in a reserved and intelligent fashion.
6313326
2. and he's very far from being a pacifist, but he has an excellent mind for both tactics and strategy. His other nickname = "warrior monk".
JohnnyTitelips
No, he's probably the only one of Trumps picks that was actually a good idea, with the possible exception of Veterans' Affairs, (1/2)
JohnnyTitelips
*Trump's
JohnnyTitelips
and maybe some of the minor ones that I haven't looked into much.
Mixelphlick
I agree with this too, if for no other reason then because I believe Matis will look trump dead in the eye and say "no, that's stupid"
Imtoolazytothinkof1
Mathis "changed" Trumps views on torture and is already denying people Trump wants in DoD spots.
JohnnyTitelips
Mhm. Be the Zhukov to his Stalin.
TheTastiestTampon
I remember when DADT was removed. I was active duty. Hell of an interesting time to be active duty, for sure.
Generallydontcare
Yeah, I can agree.
squip
It became a big sloppy asking and telling orgy didn't it?
emguhraeb
I was active when it was repealed. Came out to my buddies after it was announced. Best support group I ever had.
afbujinkan
There was a girl in a neighboring AMU who started wearing a rainbow reflective belt. About the only thing that happened at my unit.
CeaddaOfFoxHall
The weirdest thing was attending Pride Celebration at the Pentagon. It was just like any other major military event; color guard and all.
LavaAxe
Rainbow color guard?
AShartInTheWind
I was active duty as well, still am. When DADT was taken away I noticed 0 difference in the way things functioned.
Individualsocksinthewashingmachine
It's almost like gay people are normal functioning members of society
AShartInTheWind
Well obviously, but the surprising part was how little everyone seemed to care. I didn't see or hear any homophobic actions or comments.
stevetehpirate
Was it a gay ol' tiiiiiiime?
Aslanismycopilot
More like SEXUALLY ACTIVE duty, amirite?
5knotcans
Don't ask, but DO tell!
Druscella
Why? Nothing changed really. Everyone was just the same like we all knew it would be.
cvnk
Did you turn gay?
CokieMonster69
I have literally seen no change in military culture. It was a bigger issue to a bunch of old politicians than actual service members
ssjalhazred
A bunch of pretentious old men, playing at ruling the world.
ImReallyVent
What? No it wasn't. We all already knew who was or wasn't and I don't remember a single person talking about it, on or after it was repeal
rando84
My thoughts exactly. The debate always struck me as a little odd because everyone in the military knew gay people serving already and no1/2
rando84
one really cared. It was obviously important for closeted service members, but it was a pretty mundane change of policy for everyone else/2
combatwombat0
Lovely username.
IPutAHexOnYou4c6f7665206d65
i never looked into what DADT was exactly, but i guessed it's like that 'don't ask someone's religion or politics thing', which (used to be)
IPutAHexOnYou4c6f7665206d65
on a 'needs to know' basis, to keep people from being ridiculous to each other.
CraftedLine
Did anyone DADT on you?
peepoopcacadiarrhea
Nobody i worked with really cared. We were just ticked about all of the briefings and training we had on it.
redstoneage
My history teacher was an older guy in the Canadian Navy when it passed and said he was one of the only older guys who didn't give a fuck.
Scuttlebutte
I joined right as it was getting repealed. It was still in all the classes at BMT. Kinda crazy for sure.
AdolfHipsterTheFourthReich
DADT also know as dudes against dudes touching
Smilinnoir
What kind of unit? I was in an infantry unit when it happened, and didn't notice any difference before or after, or of anyone coming out.
NotWittyEnough
Gayyyyyyy!
ThisFireGrowsHigher
I left right before. Heard my old command was full of @OP.
TexasBaconMan
Really. How so?
BandannaNinja
DADT was damn meaningless overseas anyway. I knew tons of gay service members during that time....You didn't have ask half the time.
ScrotuclesTheBallbearian
Still active duty. Still make gay jokes. Everyone has a good time.
Iwanttoshagjeremyrenner
I remember when it was put into place. #oldperson
sykoticflaw
Same. It was nice to see not nearly as many shitters as I was expecting when it was repealed.
bootygroceries
Could imagine. Literally just had training on an new transgender policy coming out. Weird thing only the females were freaking out.
Vansauce
Because there's way more men transitioning than women. 'Boys in my girls room' panic.
eggsalad
There are actually about as many transmen as there are transwomen.
retodd
Mucho fuckery?
FloresDelCaribe
If you don't kind me asking, how?
HowAboutABigScrewYou
You fucking think, bro! Geez, the shit that happened. Total fuckfest
wonder89
Was it as crazy of a time as when they integrated the armed forces?
passbi
Meh. I could do with all the training and God awful meeting. They could save all of the time and make us watch LOGO.
GregorSamsa
Same here. We caked it gayday in the Corps and so many people intentionally avoided going to medical.
LoveBigD
How many dicks did you end up sucking?
unisasquatch
The problem with DADT repeal was all the sexual assault complaints that came through because they thought it meant it was prime time to (1)
unisasquatch
Advertise their sexuality at work.
JeanZedlav
Did you walk around going 'are you gay' and when they got upset pointing out that DADT was gone?
YourThoughtsOnTransgenderIssuesAreReallyReallyImportantToMe
Gay guy here, I was living near a Naval Air Station when it was repealed. Holy shit I cleaned up that year.
robotzombies
Did you get promoted to....rear admiral? YYYYEEEAAAAHHHHH!
robotzombies
Did you get promoted to....rear admiral? YYYYEEEAAAAHHHHH!
WhatTheShitWhoAteMyTots
LOL
JeanZedlav
Did you walk around going 'are you gay' and when they got upset pointing out that DADT was gone?
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JeanZedlav
It's a joke. You half-smile if you like it, you downvote if you don't, and move on. I didn't literally think he 1/2
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JeanZedlav
I didn't downvote you?
JeanZedlav
did it. I was pointing out how crazy the idea was in the first place. 2/2
ThyDevilsAdvocate
How did DADT actually work?#
YoureWaifuAShit
poorly
Adahman
Well. You didn't say and I didn't ask.
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KungFooKangaroo
What did it saaaaaay?
9Gag12YrOld
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trhopkins
ASk him for a pic.. you never know
jogthejewelsquickly
I'm definitely using that as a gamertag or username in the future
mrgaydicks420
Same
dontsayretarded0itsgay
Pm me what was said pls!
SgtPinetree
Me too?
Omak7elwa
Me three
ErikaLight
Om me the name?
ErikaLight
Pm*
jogthejewelsquickly
Om?
nitebandit
They're allowing Transgender peoples in now and offering to pay for the operation (so long as mental health signs off)
ComradeJenkens
How would that work? Trans people need HRT medication which could easily get cut off in the field. Seems like it could be a problem.
erischilde
Probably like women were treated till now, not out in the front? It's a solid question. I'd assume same goes for antidepressants etc..
eggsalad
HRT is not an essential medication in the field. At least as far as I know as an MTF, no idea for FTM.
strongbadia7
Most of the people I know that deploy just get all their meds at home and bring them with on deployment, incl BC and allergy meds.
strongbadia7
They're generally not deploying to active war zones but if they're on injections and they're stable for a while, it shouldn't be a problem.
nitebandit
Most deployments are about 6mo and they should be able to get a 90 day supply before leaving and another then mailed to them
erischilde
Solid question.. maybe like women till now, just can't serve at the front? I assume if your on antidepressants you can't serve...
bloatedplutocrat
The top complaint I heard was "people will pretend to be gay for BAH fraud". "Straight people don't do that already?" usually shut them up.
ThyDevilsAdvocate
Every time you guys say BAH i think of sheep sheep ????
christophalous
Right? Also I know two gay men who married girls for BAH... You can go all sorts of directions with that!
DerpieMcDerpface
thegrimcoder
Basic Allowance for Housing and Don't Ask Don't Tell.
lycar
Before DADT was removed, I knew a lesbian that pretended to be straight and got married to get a housing allowance.
mijiza
Lesbians married gay men before repeal, because they figured "we'll never get BAH any other way, might as well."
GoodEyeSniper1
that's equal parts sad and clever
OhLurkOverThere
Straight people did that shit all the time. I had a couple girls that wanted to get married. They get benefits. I get BAH.
Deletingmypastandfuture
It was on M.A.S.H. it happen enough to be a long running joke.
ScrooblyDoobles
I knew of at least 3 (straight) people that had sham marriages for BAH. They'd split the earnings with the "wife".
CarreraCowboy
It's not fraud if they're actually married...
peepoopcacadiarrhea
Except for about 3 years after they repealed DADT, the miltary still didn't recognize gay marriage and did not give benefits such as BAH
Guidocat
The replies all the way down are acronyms. Explaining all those acronyms isn't saving anyone's time.
stackoverflo
I am like, 95% sure my brother is getting married just for BAH benefits. He is 19, and she is 21.
Gizmodian
A girl I work with married a guy who wanted the BAH benefits. Less than a year and they're already divorced again. She found out.
daffodilpuke
Divorced again?
Gizmodian
Well, divorced now. Bad phrasing on my part. Sorry.
Smugglecats
What did she find out? I'm a little confused sorry.
ACrowbarEnthusiast
I'm guessing it was only for BAH
DidItForScience
Wait... are you implying that enlisted military members aren't all paragons of truth, justice and The American Way™?
ThyDevilsAdvocate
+1 for use of trademark.
tortoisebiologist
If a rich man can figure out how to beat the system, why can't a poor man?
GoodGameYoungLad
I'm not implying I'm outright saying it
PeteButtigieg
I just had training today to keep you guys from thinking that.
GoodGameYoungLad
Lol I was in the military there's nothing u can say to change my thoughts I witnessed it first hand lol
TCGreen
It is almost like anytime you get a significant group of humans together, some of them turn out to be assholes. So weird.
AlaSnackbar
BAH?
slyfox001
Basic allowance for housing. Junior enlisted aren't allowed to live off base unless they have a spouse or legal dependant. Bah is $ for rent
jiynxed
basically, you get married, you get a fat pay raise.
daSweep
HUMBUG
Scuttlebutte
lol
Donjauntauntaun
We had a reservist unit attach to are AO in Afghanistan and one said he registered a P.O. Box in NYC so he could make extra BAH haha 1/2
IShouldBeStudyingRightNowInsteadOfBrowsingImgur
Pretty sure that's fraud if they got caught
Donjauntauntaun
"IF" being the keyword, it's not like it doesn't happen but it doesn't stop most service members
Donjauntauntaun
I've heard of "Contract Marriages" but nothin like that before dunno if it was legit but still had a laugh! Workin the System
KillerTofu615
Contract marriages are pre-nups for military personnel. Agreeing to certain aspects to the marriage before hand, including % of money 1/2
BritishCanadianinTexas
Just spent this weekend at Yellow Ribbon. This was actually told to us. Make sure you choose the best paying state for residence if you can.
HypnotoadIRL
When I was with the guard and there were young guys living with their parents they could name their parents as their landlord for BAH, crazy
bloatedplutocrat
Basic Allowance for Housing. Single junior enlisted (not married new guys) live in the barracks which is as nice as you think it is. So 1/2
TheHappyHermit
I'd say no BAH for enlistees under certain rank (e-3 to e-5 depending on branch) but I suspect recruitment #s would drop.
Tweak2113
I moved off base in germany as a single e3 before I even hit my 2 year mark.
RoyFuckingMustang
Fucking e-5 with no BAH? That is insane. Imo dormitory housing should only last a max of 2 years.
TheRealKhy
Nah, single E5s get BAH and can move off base. That system prevents most cheating on marriage, thieves will be thieves though.
UnslicedBreadisCoolToo
It's definitely a mixed bag, but they have enough retention issues in certain jobs as it is.
CarreraCowboy
You'd say "we won't pay you to afford a roof over your head"? No. That's foolish. Recruitment would stop dead.
bloatedplutocrat
often they'll marry young when they're not ready so they receive a larger check and are allowed to live off base w/ their family. 2/2
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Factsaurus
Or they get on-base housing at low-rank & TIS. While a single NCO w/ more TIS has the barracks or getting single BAH rate to live on.
BreadyStinellis
Question. Since DADT was reversed before same sex marriage was federally legal, would that have worked for them anyhow?
KillerTofu615
And have some of the craziest divorce rates.
PenisOfDeath
Hell, in the Navy most junior enlisted don't even live in a barracks, they live in the ship.
Crushn8tor
I dated a girl who did that. Divorced a year later.
cj53189
To the contrary of many of these replies, while I was serving active duty in the Marines, many I considered friends were incredibly hateful.
jaijaikali
For some reason this doesn't surprise me coming from marines. I mean no offence, just being honest.
jaijaikali
For some reason this doesn't surprise me coming from marines. I mean no offence, just being honest.
endrsgm
semper fi. i was in the corps and i KNOW that at least a few of the guys i was serving with were gay. a few are very openly out now 1/
endrsgm
and at least one is in a gay marriage now and he was one of my roomates in the 4 man room. we all knew he was gay then although 2/
endrsgm
no one ever asked. he never said. it just never came up. no one cared. he pulled his weight, was good at his job, and no one cared. 3/
endrsgm
marines are brutal with their insults to each other but no one ever mentioned it. the corps has been fighting americas battles since 4/
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AlphaIndustrial
well duh. its like mostly in the navy. the canadian navy. watch yer portholes matey
AlphaIndustrial
i see some canadian semen didnt like that. shoulda kept yer bootys on the ground
ScrooblyDoobles
I was active AF at the time too. Had probably ~300 people in my work center, literally nothing changed.
MikeG1218
Just clarifying: Hateful towards you for coming out? Or Hateful towards gays in general? I have heard (both anecdotal and from studies) that
cj53189
Not towards me. I was proud to stand as an LGBT ally when almost no one would. It combined hate and disgust towards removing DADT.
StarvingGarbage
Were you active during the repeal? Because i think I met maybe four Marines who were shitty about it and it ruined all their careers.
cj53189
Active, stationed in North Carolina. I only served two months post-DADT, my active service ended Feb 2011. Only noticed others before repeal
MikeG1218
The current generation serving is more tolerant and accepting of gays in the military, though less so in infantry/combat arms.
cj53189
I hope so. I was an ignorant kid going into the military. The mentality of many I served with was a haunting vision into our present.
emguhraeb
I was active when it was repealed. Came out to my buddies after it was announced. Best support group I ever had.
LoveBigD
Then the orgy started. You're not even the power bottom that night.
emguhraeb
They're not blood but those men are first and foremost my family forever.
DarkUranium
"The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb."
haiku120
Where is that from?
LoveBigD
Then the orgy started. You're not even the power bottom that night.
LunacyTheory
Story time, devil dogs: DADT had just been repealed and I was bullshitting with some guys around a GAU some Neanderthal had somehow fused /1
LunacyTheory
to the pintle mount of a newish yankee Huey, idly watching one poor maintainer doing all the work while everyone else watched. Well, as /2
LunacyTheory
per SOP, one guy was telling a story littered with profanity and "faggot" this and "faggot" that. After a few minutes the poor bastard /3
LunacyTheory
per SOP, one guy was telling a story littered with profanity and "faggot" this and "faggot" that. After a few minutes the poor bastard /3
LunacyTheory
doing all the work stood up, wrenches clattering to the deck, looks us all in the eyes and says."You guys all know I'm gay, right?" /4
ZombieDK
I'm AD and they just started letting transgender people into the CG. I'm stoked for it. Its a great step in the right direction.
CanUweldOil
Wait what, not concerned or anything but who did you hear that from.
CanUweldOil
Who did you hear that from because I'm AD CG and I would have thought we would have had training or an all hands about this.
ZombieDK
they sent out a big email about it back in October
ZombieDK
correction, it went out July 13, 2016. Subject: Internal Comms Bulletin - Transgender
ThyDevilsAdvocate
How did DADT actually work?
ExpatProblems
Oh here's a story. We had a new troop that failed his drug test during his first month in. He claimed he was gay and we were intolerant. /1
ExpatProblems
Said we bullied him, etc. he took this to the squadron commander to try and get out based on being gay rather than failing the drug test. /2
ExpatProblems
It didn't work for him, but we still had to sign a letter after a special briefing about our behavior. Which was absurd, but a CYA move.
Talmorean
It was basically an actual rule that ignored the Elephant (Rainbow colored) in the room. "Shut up and ignore it on all sides."
YoureWaifuAShit
poorly
NoBeardTheIrate
It didn't. Theres a movie called Soldier's girl that tells a story that actually helped in getting rid of it. Its very sad.
CokieMonster69
If it became public knowledge someone was gay, it was grounds for a discharge (so to speak)
cryborg
It did not work
nitebandit
Werent allowed to ask if someone was gay and gays werent allowed to tell people both asking and telling were grounds for discharge I believe
yourkiddingrightnow
However, complaints were investigated and led to Dishonorable DC of many.
CitizenDickbag
But the "don't ask" part was never actually enforced/punished.
yourkiddingrightnow
However, complaints were investigated and led to Dishonorable DC of many.
youcantproveit
I knew 2 that killed themselves rather than be DD'd. Another that still has employment problems 5yrs later. The persecution part ruined ppl
nitebandit
Werent allowed to ask if someone was gay and gays werent allowed to tell people both asking and telling were grounds for discharge I believe
nitebandit
I came in as DADT was being repealed so not completely sure
youcantproveit
Not discharge for asking, but both were bad things. Problem was, it was like a witchhunt to out an LGBT. Lost a good friend b/c he was outed
youcantproveit
The "don't ask" part was ignored if a senior ranking knew, and wanted to be a dick. I knew 2 that killed themselves, more that tried.
CitizenDickbag
Asking wasn't going to get the asker discharged. Despite the name, people asked all the time and got others discharged for it.
sandollor
This. Although in the units I was in we all knew who was gay and who was a lesbian; it just wasn't a big deal.
ladifrickinda
Other than a small number of people coming out of the closet and giggles when new commander introduced their partner, I noticed no changes.
idonthaveagoodnameinmind
I am with ya, I guess if your gay maybe it was interesting.. other then that 3 briefs l8r a few ppl brought their same sex SO to the ball.
idonthaveagoodnameinmind
I am with ya, if your gay maybe it was interesting.. other then that, 3 briefs later a few ppl brought their same sex SO to the ball.
idonthaveagoodnameinmind
not really something to write home about...
idonthaveagoodnameinmind
I am with ya, if your gay maybe it was interesting.. other then that, 3 briefs later a few ppl brought their same sex SO to the ball.
Illthinkofausernamelater
Antirape training. Antibully training. Antimurder tranny hookers in toilets training...actually, that last one was a separate incident.
Illthinkofausernamelater
So. Much. Training.
therobisaur
Same. The culture kinda changed, for the better, but it was minimal. Everyone just sorta left each other alone and went with the flow.
BreadyStinellis
Which makes sense because it's a non-issue.
FireatWill
I'm ignorant, but wasn't "leave it alone" the point of DADT? It doesnt matter so who cares?
digitiliad
This is actually a legitimate question, so please don't downvote it just because you happen to see it out of context.
digitiliad
DADT wasn't "It doesn't matter", it was "it matters and if we find out you're in trouble". Troops can now go to pride marches, etc /1
therobisaur
This is correct
digitiliad
to show their support, tell their stories publicly, and marry or date who they choose without fearing consequences in their careers.
youcantproveit
We had a couple that thought it was free reign to have Pride parades and accuse people of bigotry when they didn't get their way. #USAF
ladifrickinda
Did they settle down or did it escalate and become a big problem? Every unit has douchebags of one flavor or another.
youcantproveit
One got out, the other escalated and got an LOR from the Commander, then chilled out. I got out awhile back and didn't keep in touch.
NurietaGM
After literally decades of hyper-testosterone, machismo culture, we can surely cut these two guys some slack for overcompensating?
youcantproveit
Sure, some slack, but regs are regs. Ornamented purses carried by a male, forgetting to take out his earrings, painted nails ffs.
TheTastiestTampon
The biggest change was cultural. I will always remember my 1sg declining to recommend promotion for someone because they were homophobic
TheOneTrueOpinion
pronoun trouble
CatTaxCollecter
FIXED: "I will always remember my 1sg declining to recommend promotion for someone, because the person in question was homophobic."
LetumComplexo
Commas to the rescue!
TheOneTrueOpinion
pronoun trouble
ElGordoSalvador
It's funny how people just have to correct others. The criticism is great and it helps to learn, but come on now.
bloatedplutocrat
That's a shit 1SG and an even shittier CO if they take that recommendation. Unless I misunderstood and you don't promote a homophobic guy
nasreal
He told the commander not to promote because the candidate was homophobic is how I took it
DrJDX
First read through I assumed 1sg didn't recommend because candidate was homophobic. Clarification?
FuckingTurtleBear
Seconded... Schrödinger's 1st Sargent...
TheTastiestTampon
1sg wasn't homophobic, the SPC was, and Top didn't want him leading Gay troops because SPC was *that* intense.
bloatedplutocrat
Ah, well that is a good move then. Don't have to like the rules but you gotta adhere to them.
Earan
hehe, Top
Talmorean
Me too. The old guard NCOs were hard to be around. I never gave a shit, but I use Faggot as an expletive, not an insult (Like aussie cunt)
AlphaIndustrial
i didnt know a guy i served with when i started was gay. 5 years later ran into him and greeted him with a sup faggot. he was not pleased.
iLynux
I use faggot in the same sense because it's a funny sounding word.
DrFartstheTRex
Same, but you have to be careful. I called a gay friend faggot once. Looked at me serious then just started laughing
iLynux
If I actually AM gay, I can use the word all I want, right faggots?
DrFartstheTRex
https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6Ztmxr2R8trdGMRa/giphy.gif
Talmorean
I call it the Louis CK version. "People from Phoenix are Phoenicians." Stop being a faggot and suck that dick!
iLynux
Lol
missbelled
At the same time: https://youtu.be/v-55wC5dEnc I hope you do understand that while it's "just a word," it really means a lot to some.
Talmorean
I should change for the feelings of others? I'm talking the military. Up until 2010, it was a place of no feelings. IDGAF.