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flipjj1272
This feels like an unfair comparison. Japan is pretty much an ethnostate so they're very culturally homogeneous compared to the melting pot of the US. Seems easier to care for the land when you're connected to it from generations. I'm sure Japan has some good but the US does too, just like there is bad in both countries.
TheGreatAtomsk
i too think the habit with the masks is great. however i always wonder how much of it is "i care for the other people" and how much is "if i don't conform, i get the crap beaten out of me by society.".
eetsumkaus
I find the service thing sad actually. Japanese service workers are paid crap to provide great service just because that's the expectation. So that's wage theft basically. America's tpping culture is almost better.
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
The work culture over there sounds absolutely, terrifyingly exploitative, and that's from someone who works in the US restaurant industry.
RooGryphon
Hay Japan when you.start cracking down on your racism and fear of others not In your little in groups... we will talk
brandonblk
that esculator thing is also a thing in most uk places and the netherlands
EmilyinIdaho
Question: If people don't eat on the trains and streets, where does one eat all their tasty convenient store foods and throw away the trash? I'm legit curious as I've never traveled there?
evilspyre
They do eat on trains, and there are plenty of food shops in the main stations. Supermarkets & Konbini have trash bins inside / outside.
SJBSavageInk
Except that even Japan has mask protestor idiots during covid. And way more than you'd think from a society that wears them when sick to begin with.
makesense
"Providing excellent service because it's your job and not for tips". Umm, this isn't the reason people at restaurants don't always provide 'excellent' service. In fact, many do despite the tipping culture. The problem is that THEY ARE HORRIBLY UNDERPAID for the job they are asked to do. And tipping (especially a certain percent) should NEVER be based just on the position, but on the quality of service and/or food.
notacobra
Many of these things are common in most places in the world - NZ, most of Australia, Norway, Singapore.
Bar the convenience store thing, Japanese コンビニ are amazing.
hjf2011
"thing; thing, japan" vibes
TheBestSpiderQueen
This sense of community is so strong that they hate outsiders infringing on it
PineappleLoopsBroether
Yep, that's sociology for ya. People from other places that deviate from the local norms of comfort you are used to is why there is tension with foreigners from any part of the world. They might not realize it's a big deal, but to the local, they're breaking a standard of decency.... Yesterday, a tourist stood WAY too close to me while I was paying at cvs. Super rude, but they're so used to no personal space they had no idea. (ya gotta respect the local's rules and comforts)
IsTodayThursday
I've adopted masking up when I don't feel fabulous. Honestly it's kinda embarrassing it took a global pandemic for me to adopt it
OverpricedCrayon
The escalator thing is more of a city resident common etiquette thing than a japanese thing. I live in a large American city and 90% of the people stand on one side of the escalator to let other walk up if they wish.
MangOpana
I’ve been all over the US and I find the opposite to be FAR more common. What city are you talking about?
FelixG
Yeah, I live in one big city, and frequent another, people clutter those things up everywhere.
Vergenbuurg
The point about 𝟩-ᴇʟᴇᴠᴇn stores; the franchise's parent company is Japanese, and there are more locations on Japan than in the United States.
hjf2011
the japanese company actually bought its own parent lol
ChristopherHallett
Fucking weebs. Japan isn't some magical wonderland, their society has a fucktonne of problems too.
TheInternetNeedsMoreCats
When I visited Tokyo, I was told that the lack of trash cans isn't to discourage littering, it was because a cult leader used them to hold gas devices and gas innocent people after he lost an election. Now people carry their own trash home with them. https://psmag.com/environment/trash-cans-are-coming-back-to-japan
carrotsonfire
Escalator etiquette is pretty common in any large city. People gotta get to where they're going and you standing in the way just isn't polite!
FelixG
As someone who lives in a large US city and frequently went to Seattle... hahahahaha no. It is not common in any large cities.
AbelardSnazz
On the London Underground, tyou're supposed to stand on the right and let walkers pass on the left. It isn't an enforecd law, but if you don't, people may roll their eyes and say "tut" under their breath, which is the English equivalent of a drive-by.
Welyn104
In Madrid is common.
thekeyofe
The number one thing that I wish Americans would adopt from Japan is the idea that housing is not an "investment." In other words, expect your house to depreciate over time instead of appreciating in value. Americans viewing housing as "investments" is one of the many factors contributing to our ridiculous housing prices.
OliverOtter
That's largely because the real estate market was so tight to begin with, buying a house has been out of reach of most Japanese for generations. Housing prices aren't going up further, because they're beyond affordable to most potential buyers as it is, and those who have land inherited it and aren't selling it. This is the country that invented capsule hotels and special police to squeeze people onto trains. They don't have space and it's already priced accordingly.
JackingMeHoff
With corporations & hedge fund buying over 40% of homes, housing & rental prices skyrocketed. The End Hedge Fund Control of American Homes Act would end this.
evilspyre
Only because most of their houses aren't designed to last more than 40 years, but if its in a desirable area the house prices go up over
evilspyre
time still the same as the rest of the world. Also there is the whole earthquake stuff to consider when it comes to long lasting houses.
SteveTheEgg
First the lack of public trash isn't to prevent from looking like America, they had a bunch, but most of them after a deadly sarin gas attack on a Tokyo subway platform by a domestic terrorist/death cult in 1995. They hide the sarin canisters in garbage bins, and since Japan has had least public trash bins.
Second the reason Japan can offer so much in their stores is because they have so many people to actually buy it. The problem with prepared food in America is most places don't have the /
SteveTheEgg
/demand. 98 million Americans like in city centers, 176 million in Suburbs/small towns, and 46 million in the hicks. My state is 2,000 sq miles bigger than the entire country of Japan and we only have 1 million people, compared to Japan's 121million. Tokyo alone has 48
SteveTheEgg
*Tokyo has 40.8 million alone. It's easy to offer a large array of things when there are enough customers to cycle through it all. Most US convenience store food has to last a week to sell enough to be popular.
Also in my state, all convenience stores are gas stations.
dghughes
Just don't mention the Japanese caste system the burakumin are not very well liked I hear.
ATribeofAfricanNatives
I was under the impression that eating and drinking was acceptable for long train rides, is this not right?
OverpricedCrayon
If there's a tray on the back of the seat in front of you, its ok to eat on it.
MoralRectifier
The limited trash cans (particularly in Tokyo) is because they removed most of them following the sarin gas terrorist attacks in 1995.
TheWarHymn
I don't get how that will matter. The perpetrators popped plastic bags filled with sarin on a subway car. How does removing trash cans prevent this?
onlyhalfghost
they also hid a bunch of sarin bags in trash bins.
slapthebag24
Came here to say this. Regardless, streets are very clean and everyone is crazy polite.
VonZinzer
OTOH multiple studies have calculated that if everyone stands elevator throughput is higher.
junkgoof
Clearly they did their study in a country where people will push or carry the immobile people forward.
VonZinzer
*escalator, clearly. If you're walking up elevator shafts, please stop.
alchemist12345
or maybe DONT STOP, GET TF OUTTA THERE, WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?!
Bunnies007
Maybe the authors of this study should go to London. During rush hour, the efficiency of the stand-right/walk left policy is apparent. Go to a London department store, where no such rules are imposed, and you will see that the escalators are used very inefficiently. A couple standing side by side will block dozens of people behind them. Two people stand, everybody stands, meaning that people can only leave the escalator when their step 'arrives'. People walking by-pass this restriction.
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
"My anecdotal evidence is obviously far superior to multiple studies conducted by scientists." Always a fascinating take to see in the wild.
Bunnies007
This presupposed that A) there is no such thing as flawed research, and/or B) that there are no variables. Therefore, data collected from one location must apply to all similar situations. Further, I would suggest that 64 years of 'anecdotal evidence' might actually have some value.
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
The thing about anecdotal evidence is that collecting more of it doesn't improve its quality, and in fact, personal biases probably reinforce themselves more to distort it further. That's one of the major reasons people dismiss anecdotal evidence. Flawed studies exist, no doubt, but presuming they're flawed because you have a mountain of USELESS anecdotal evidence is... a take.
Bunnies007
So ALL anecdotal evidence must be useless? So much research is born of anecdotal evidence. Imagine where medicine would be if doctors never listened to their patients. Besides simple mathematics would prove why the walk/stand rule is more efficient.
minant
My experience has actually been that in London rush hour, at the busiest terminal stations it often compacts down to stand-both-sides because there isn't space to support people walking.
4noku
Uuuuuuum - not really. Don't get me wrong, I love this place but don't romanticise it.
youreathing
This. it's a great place, but it's no paradise. This is up there with the myth that all Canadians are polite to a fault. Not true.
Strategicgnomer
Also, standing to one side on escalators wears them out faster and reduces the overall number of people that can be transported in a given time. There's been studies on this.
ElbowDeepInAHeadlessHorseman
The video cites very specific things they wish were more common outside Japan, not that all aspects of Japanese culture should be replicated. Wtf is your problem with having cleaner mass transit?
alaest0r
Oh, sure, I don't want to live there (sexism, racism, toxic work culture, insane court system, social conservatism, censorship, peer pressure, organized crime and corruption, ...) but these aspects are still valid and desirable.
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
To bake an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe. Some of the aspects you're desiring are probably connected to the reasons you don't want to live/work there, in varying simple to complex relationships, that make transporting the Consequences without transporting the Underlying Environmental Factors a pipe dream at best.
alaest0r
Perhaps from a historical sense, and it may be a wild fantasy of mine so call me crazy if you want; but i think, dare i say, it may, within the laws of physics as we understand it today, be possible to have clean streats without racism. Though, to be fair, i havent seen any peer reviewed research papers on the subject. Call it a hunch.
alaest0r
(okay; I'm being uncharitable with my reading of your comment and hyperbolic in my reply. I understand what youre saying; but it's still worth pushing for imo)
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
...I was gonna type out a more uncharitable reply myself, thanks for the clarification. These things are worth pushing for, but as always, There Is No Free Lunch - Japan pays some heavy costs to achieve these things, and assuming we can have the achievements without their associated costs is a tough pill to swallow. I'd take moderately clean streets with a less insane court system (cuz I'd agree that racism probably isn't a big factor, or much of one at all).
junkgoof
Maybe airport escalators are bad because people in some countries, like Canada, go to the right so people can walk on the left while people from some other countries go to the left so people can pass on the right?
JanusLeeJones
It's inconsiderate to not consider following the local custom.
FoxAffair
So this one is solved by Japanese tourists learning to stand to the right and walking on the left in North America. This does not solve for rude or privileged people interfering with this concept.
Bunnies007
There's a simple solution. On the escalators in London Underground stations, there is a sign at the start of the escalator and which is repeated every few yards that tells passengers to stand on the right. Ingenious, huh?
slaitch
If the US and Japan are your touchpoints for littering, you will be utterly horrified by India.
TheWarHymn
The place where they collect discarded water bottles and refill it with mystery water, then resell it in stores to unsuspecting customers?
https://englisharchives.mathrubhumi.com/news/offbeat/mathrubhumi-1.1930360
TalkingSnake
*Egypt has entered the chat
rmmmm
Cambodia has ALSO entered the chat
Sxualhrssmntpanda
Just because your country is not the worst does not mean it is good. All they are saying is that there is demonstrable room for improvement.
Revelant
I also found that a lack of trash cans make people throw trash on the ground. Not make them keep it on them till they home. Thats more a cultural thing of Japanese actually have respect for the surrounding area, that they are willing to hold on to it.
IPrefertheNight
There are trash cans on every block in NYC and people still litter…
DiscountShoppingCart
True statement. I've watched people dump garbage on the ground rather than hold it for the literal 3 additional steps to a proper garbage receptacle. Availability isn't the limiting factor in people being trash.
omgzwtfs
The city removed the bus stop trash can at the top of my street, so frustrating. Every day we're picking McDonald's wrappers and plastic bottles, and assholes that used to throw their dog poop in it stopped picking up so we've got poopy sidewalks
MangOpana
I feel you. People that don’t pick up their dog’s poop irritate me so much. I have to always be looking forward and down when I walk on the sidewalks because there’s SO MUCH POOP everywhere, even on the cement.
Jefftheonewiththenuke
I was surprised by that comment in the video. I believe Disney puts a ton of trashcans all over the place so one is always convenient and in turn less litter.
Ryebread91
Yes but they also empty them multiple times a day instead of a few times a week.
2graves
Yes. They also took a ton out after terrorist attacks thirty years ago.
mikeatike
Same thing for cigarette butts. If there isn't a receptical nearby (even a soda or beer can), 100% of the time that fucker is going on the ground. Any smoker that says otherwise is a liar.
ExquisiteConundrum
I did do that as a kid. Just flicked the fuckers every where.
Now I tap the tobacco out and put the filter in my pocket until I either go home or happen to find a trash can.
TheWarHymn
As a Canadian, I've kept trash in my pocket for days on end while on vacation. Just something my elementary teachers taught me.
IliveIdyeIliveagain
[Insert gif here] As a Japanese, don't overestimate Japan
Neuronyx
I mean, you say overestimate but there's no estimating necessary when you see literal video proof demonstrating your streets are much cleaner and people are more conscious of others and their environment. Nobody is saying that makes Japan some perfect utopia, except weebs. It's still better than what we Americans have to put up with.
Caprittles
In some ways yea, in others no.
Unholytrashpanda
Just wait till you learn about the casual sexual harassment and assault baked into Japanese culture.
Every country could do better.
Neuronyx
I already know all about that, I wasn't comparing everything, only the mentioned topics. I agree.
TalkingSnake
Still doing your banking via fax huh?
IliveIdyeIliveagain
We Japanese still vote with writing a name on a piece of paper with a pencil I'm not gonna lie
lelevup
Same in Italy.
MarioBoon
In Belgium too.
2graves
That's actually better for many reasons than electronic
graehall
Same as we do it here in Australia, and our voting is quite secure
ChloeRed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_0x">aDmI">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_0x6oaDmI and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkH2r-sNjQs spring to mind *nods*
TalkingSnake
This is me not making a joke about Japanese politics.
You know why.
wadatahmydamie
Hand-marked paper ballots are the only completely secure method for voting. It’s why Republicans push so hard for electronic voting machines, and why they’re trying to kill vote by mail.
mikeatike
But they could use multiple choice with a scanner and use the paper as a secure backup. All our voting machined in my district in PA have switched to that.
wadatahmydamie
That’s a hand-marked paper ballot
bound4doom
Ummm, what? I am not republican and I think we should have all electronic voting. might get more people to vote, especially younger ones. Get your secure link or something, sign in, screen that guides you through. Done. 2000 Election was such a frantic mess because of the manual process no one understood un Florida. You are basically computer voting now, fill in little bubbles next to candidate. Feed it into computer. I am for adding it to your Tax return even. Right below the contribute to....
bound4doom
presidential campaign. Circle blanket vote Democrat on every single election this year. Notify me when it is not partisan or like a ballot initiative. Let me vote on just those. Would get so many more votes done way ahead of time. You could still opt to say I will go vote but many people that just don't vote would at least do it this way.
wadatahmydamie
Oh, and Florida in 2000 wasn’t an issue with hand-marked ballots. They had punchcards that were intentionally designed to skew votes for Pat Buchanan. Like lifelong Democrat retirees from Palm Beach were gonna vote for the antisemite.
wadatahmydamie
Electronic voting is inherently insecure, and every election, there’s always a story about how a reporter was able to hack their local system with a thumb drive
Cabreza
Toilets. Number one has to be toilets. Those Japanese bidet toilets are incredible and it’s a travesty America hasn’t adopted them yet.
Puuhoyla
This guy is gonna get visit from toilet paper company enforcers
jkuhn
A couple things I found out when I went to Japan is that every store has the most fancy bidet. They play sounds, spray smells, blow you dry and more. Two, there is about a 10% chance that you go inside a restroom and it's just a hole in the floor to squat over. And three, there was this island we went to in the south and the bathroom walls only came up to about shoulder height while sitting down. So you can make eye contact with the people around you. So yea, it's all over the place.
InfiniteBirds
Yeah I guess it depends where you go but most of the toilets I encountered were either normal porcelain or a trough in the ground. And no soap. That was the biggest surprise to me. No soap in like half the restrooms I ended up in.
BEARD3DBEANIE
you can literally buy adapter bidets for toilets, it's like $20-30
TheInfamousPenguin
But atleast in America you can look through the cracks and see other people pooping
lukelorian
One of the most interesting bits here though is they still have a decent amount of floor toilets. Fuck those lol
FormerlySable
I don’t mind them because you don’t have to touch anything. Women have it harder with gross bathrooms than men do.
kilgoth1
Using a bidet makes you gay. /s
DocFaust13
You can 100% buy one in the US, they are just crazy expensive, hence why they aren’t everywhere like in Japan. But, tbf, American toilets are still 1000x better than what I’ve experienced in some other countries.
Orion371
You can always buy the built in toilet seat type. I started with a cheap $35 one from Amazon that you attach to your existing toilet seat. When I needed to replace that toilet seat instead of using the same attachment bidet I bought a Brondell toilet seat with the bidet built into it. Cheaper than buying a bidet toilet.
Uandi82muchBeer
I live in the USA, the land of the proud ignoramus. Have a nice clean balloon knot and use hardly any paper? Hell no! They'd rather smear poop up their back and not wash their hands on the way out because.... Ma freedumbs!
ToSisPoS
I can’t dry my hands without a towel. You expect we to go about with a damp, wind-blown ass?
Schoctane
Yeah got one right at the start of the tp shortages. (Still don't understand why there was panic over that one specific item). just a cheap under the seat kind. It's fantastic, I hate pooping without it.
Toqom
Toilet paper mafia wants to know your location
lovingspace
There's few things I want when I buy a house. A toto is one.
Cabreza
Amen. That one is non negotiable. I'll have the cleanest ass on the block!
lovingspace
We better not live in the same block or else I declare..... WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
NOYLL
The heated toilet seats, so nice.
MonkeyFunkingFunker
Yep. Japan is the only place I don't mind sitting on a warm toilet seat.
akambe
And on the other extreme, you have the "squatter" design toilets.
justadude41123
I’m definitely not planning to attempt to smuggle a toilet on my trip to Japan
Redshadow09
God if there is one thing I wish America could adopt its the toilet one
innin
Im always thinking the amount of trees we cut to wipe our asses. Funny how South Park made me think of it.
wseslar
I can hear it now, "my toilet has gone woke and tried having anal sex with me so I shot it ded."
ChickenVegetas
Well, how else are they supposed to get microchips in your ass?
camn333
*Googles toilet that can show me a good time*
thatwoodguy
My cousin who used to teach English is the second language overseas in the middle east, and Asia like the Japanese toilets so much she found one and had it installed in your condo despite it taking a whole bunch of extra approvals for the plumbing Etc from the Owners Association
Ryebread91
They also have sanitizer inside the stalls for you to wipe the seats with instead of having to use cheap tissue paper
DaveMeowthewz
Water on your butt is gay /s
LateNightBunnyParty
I've got one in both bathrooms of my house, and I live in a deep red, super rural area of Oklahoma.
RockKickass
Red Alabama here, same. They can make fun if they want, but we don’t have skids in our drawers
Zuegma197777
Onward with the rebellion.
ThisGuyHere
Same. I installed one back right before the pandemic and it's the best thing I've ever bought myself. I can't understand why it's not more popular. I'm also from a super rural part of OK and have tried to convince other guys and family members to get one and it's always met with an unenthusiastic "Okay..."
Snooj
There are two kinds of people, people who love bidets and people who have never used bidets.
LateNightBunnyParty
We bought our house in 2017 and it was one of the first things I upgraded in here. Been trying ever since to convince my parents to get one too and getting pretty much the same reaction from them. Just "Yeah, we'll do that. Maybe. If we remember." It's been 7 years.
ThisGuyHere
Yup. I told my dad "It'll change the game, man. Twist the knob, adjust position a few times, wait to dry or use a couple squares of TP and you're done." Saved my household on TP costs (especially during the pandemic) and I don't spend almost as long wiping as I did shitting. One day they will see the light.... one day....
Snooj
I still can't believe we went through a literal toilet paper crisis and people didn't switch in droves.
Kwaipuak
I hate visiting the US to see family, no bum guns at all!
eetsumkaus
take a plastic bottles and poke holes in the cap for a quick portable bidet
Kwaipuak
Damn, that's good advice.
Harsamina
Bidets seem like a great way to get BV, a UTI, or otherwise mess with female genital flora. Like, imagine all the wrong angles that happen before finding the right one. No thanks...
GeneralWho
The bidets I checked out, including many of the cheap attach-to-seat types, had different settings, including one that had an angle specifically designed for women using it. That said, my experiences have been...less than stellar. Hairy people can encounter some troubles.
betwitched
I have a bidet and yes using it gave me BV
MCNewYorkLives
Unfortunately, too many people in America are ruining it for the rest of us. Install a bidet? Someone's gonna take a dump in it and laugh when people are getting poop squirt at them. There are many things we can't have because, as many points out, Americans have a more individualistic concept of society compared to Japan's more group-based society.
Cloudakira
Not to mention the unfortunate percentage of people who don't even wipe AT ALL because they're afraid of becoming gay or something.
Leaps
This can't be a real thing.
3ternum
I found out last year that a number of people actually don't wipe or only wipe once. I still can't believe it.
hjf2011
why are you making shit up?
Cloudakira
Why do you think I'm making this up? Do you think I just plucked a bs fact from thin air? Some guys won't even wash their ass in the shower, google that rabbit hole.
hjf2011
because i'm a human and i have experienced "not wiping properly" a few times in my life. and it itches. like crazy. so yes, you're making shit up. it's simply not possible "not to wipe". shut the fuck up.
hjf2011
what does this have to do with installng a bidet in YOUR OWN HOUSE?
MCNewYorkLives
I meant more of having it done publicly.
Ivalicenyan
Because of they never used one, then they don't see the need to spend hundreds/thousands installing one?
GenesisNynja
I had one but got made fun of so much I just got rid of it. Tried to convince my friends it was a life changer but they just called me gay
bolshevikmuppet
And that made you stop? Being gay isn't an insult, lol... but hey, silver lining: you now know some people you know aren't really friends!
RockKickass
Screw em, you got a clean ass. I installed one a couple years ago because a buddy wouldn’t shutup about his and I’ll never go without one again. Although I’d like to upgrade to heated water because it gets chilly
PENlSMAN
For reals, I would say... wait you would rather smear shit all over your ass?
YeroctheBarbarian
I think the problem with service/ tipping is that workers are rarely paid what they’re actually worth and companies take full advantage of that fact and guilt customers into tipping.
OneInThePinkTwoInTheStink
As a European, the idea of tipping is supposed to be a reward for good service. It's not up to the customer to compensate for poor wages. Therefore a mandatory tipping fee feels moderately strange to put it mildly.
RHFiesling
u mean the outdated racist system that was designed 2 keep black workers down& is now touted as "tipping culture" excuse to not pay wages?
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
It's in Canada too though and that was never the reason here. And it existed when minimum wage was decent. Even right now, in my province, we're still expected to tip when servers make the *exact same amount* as every other min wage worker. It's ridiculous. If they can't live on it, neither can all the other min wage workers. Raise it for everyone and do away with tipping.
FuckThemIfTheyCantTakeAJoke
Tipping culture looks so stupid and greedy to the rest of us
Foxsayy
A couple of these were not great. I also don't understand how less trash cans prevent litter.
Tootsie1
Pack it in, pack it out.
Kreia
And some workers defend it saying that they'll get more money than they would from hourly wages. Dude, if the company could earn a single cent from it; tipping would be illegal in the US.
redturd
They aren't going to pay me $60 hr.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Yeah, that argument is so messed up to me. If the job is worth that much, you should just be paid that much without tips.
aintnothinbutahounddog28
What do you mean "if the company could earn a single cent from it"? And yes, you generally make much higher than average hourly wages as a server or bartender. Your implication that that is some kind of made up scam is really weird. I spent my life waiting tables, and I can PROMISE you that if serving paid a flat hourly wage similar to retail work 90+% of current foh restaurant staff would leave. If you can be a receptionist or run a cash register for the same money no one is gonna serve/bartend
redturd
Literally this. It's always people who don't earn tips who say the restaurant should just pay us more. No restaurant is going to pay me $60 hr (which is my average bartending). Every server and bartender would quit if they ditched tipping and offered ~$18-22 hr.
Kreia
Are you seriously trying to claim that 10k a month is the average for bartending and serving food?
aThingWithTheStufAndTheJunk
Japanese restaurant workers earn an average of like $6.50 an hour.
MyCommentsUsuallyHaveTypos
In the States card tips are tracked & taxed HEAVILY. Tipping in cash is preferred.
APassingPlasticBag
You ever spend 8 hours serving people, getting yelled at cause you forgot a sauce or a lemon, getting yelled at by the kitchen cause you don’t know hollandaise is make with eggs and then to be handed your check and it says $8 all the while today was slow and your tip pooling so the 5 tables you had to do and the one the lazy server took you have to now split your tips with that person.Or you spend all day at the restaurant to walk out with $40 and sore feet and you’re famished.
Welyn104
In spain we give tips for godo work, no for charity. Your top culture is like Beg for money in the street.
YeroctheBarbarian
Dude I work in a deli I had a guy today yell at me because someone bumped into him at checkout. Like dude I don’t even work at checkout I don’t give a shit.
InfocalypseRising
Tipping culture is 100% people’s good nature being weaponized against them. Everyone recognizes that it’s bullshit but nobody wants to be “the guy that doesn’t tip”
RHFiesling
mean the outdated racist system that was designed 2 keep black workers down& is now touted as "tipping culture" excuse to not pay wages?
solarshado
Wait, that has its roots in racism too? I'm only surprised that I've not heard this before...
RHFiesling
read all about it: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/07/17/william-barber-tipping-racist-past-227361/
TohmaytohTohmahtoh
Correctamundo!
YeroctheBarbarian
I only tip in certain industries (restaurants delivery etc) and even then I tend to do a flat 10%.
itsallaboutthecones
If you live in the states, you should not dine in a sit down restaurant with that mentality. In most states they are paid $2.25 an hour as their base rate. You should be tipping 15-20% that for baseline service. If you can't afford it, eat elsewhere.
YeroctheBarbarian
Depends on the state here in Washington State they actually get wages.
itsallaboutthecones
Living wage given the cost of living?
riplikash
Yeah. You're not effecting change or hurting the employer in any way. You're just hurting the likely underpaid staff who depend on tips to survive.
kaarbaakimgr
Only 18 states allow a service wage below $2.25. Which leaves 32 states above. So I’m not sure what definition of ‘most’ you’re using?
itsallaboutthecones
Okay, that's good news! How many of those are at or below federal minimum wage?
kaarbaakimgr
You cannot change the system without a little pain. People willing to tolerate service wages are the collateral damage in the war against tipping. Angry you got 0% from me? Take it up with your employer. It’s the only way change will happen.
itsallaboutthecones
malaroo
Or you could just not eat at places you can't afford. Just a little pain to change the system. It's the only way change will happen.
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
Changing the system by inflicting pain on those least able to affect change within it, because they're literally at the bottom rung of power? That's your plan? You absolute dickhead. Be the change you want to see in the world by inflicting pain on YOURSELF until you change the system, you ass.
RuPaulsWig
This is why Abraham Lincoln was known to kick every slave he saw. If he made being a slave worse, then eventually the slaves would rise up against their masters. This was much more smarter than doing anything actually helpful.
But seriously, all you're doing is giving the company exactly the same money it would make regardless of your top, but making it harder for a worker to survive. Why would a company making the same profits be motivated to change? This is stupid.