Yea but reduced spending means company owners who are on the receiving end of that spending would make less money and our government is structured in such a way that it will put the needs of the owning class above the needs of the working class.
Been saying this for a couple decades. There is no fuckin' way actual healthcare could not be provided for less cost that a current system which covers the marketing, executive salaries, shareholder returns, ego-office buildings, naming rights contracts, direct cost sales, additional HR costs, additional administrative costs at healthcare providers, middlemen, etc. associated with the private healthcare insurance racket. None. Concrete example... BCBS runs my mom's healthcare using only 1/
the funds provided through her Medicare benefits, but includes more covered aspects than just straight Medicare provides. Those funds WILL cover her completely, but the healthcare lobby has garnered restraints on what Medicare is ALLOWED to cover through their lobbying efforts in Congress (bribes). And if it will do that even COVERING all the BCBS bullshit, then there's PLENTY of room for savings on actual healthcare.
Hasn't been peer reviewed yet. Still a preprint. Probably accurate regardless. Just don't want anyone thinking this specific study is irrefutable. Let's hope this gets peer reviewed and supported by the rest of the scientific community.
Yet I have friends, intelligent friends, who insist that socialised medicine won't work. I left the US and now live in a country with SM. I was involved in a motorcycle accident last week. I spent a week in the hospital. So far my expenses have been £3 for the bus home, and £8 for the last bit of my trip with uber (because I couldn't walk very far with broken ribs) Now sitting at home (ish) recovering. I was attended at the scene by a police medic, a fast response EMT, 1 of 2
a helicopter ambulance crew (yes they landed in a field next to me) and the actual ambulance crew. I was released a week later as ribs just have to heal, and my damaged spleen was looking good. Not a single bill to be seen.
...and that's a trillion dollars that would actually go into the economy, not linger on bank accounts. Oh and I guess the saving lives thing is cool, too.
more than that, because most employers are currently paying $500-$2000 a month to help cover their employees healthcare cost. If done right, this money could go back into paychecks for everyone.
As a healthcare provider, I can confidently tell you that the money is going to the private corporate insurance companies, not to healthcare providers.
I work in the pharma industry and "providers" generally means actual medical professionals like MDs, DOs, NPs, RNs, etc. It is the insurance companies, not providers, that are absolutely ratfucking everyone. That, and private equity gobbling up hospitals and specialty private practices.
Generally speaking, it’s not the direct care providers like Doctors and Nurse Practitioners that are where healthcare dollars go. It’s the big businesses like hospitals, surgicenters, and big pharmaceutical companies where the money goes.
And really only to the execs of those companies. Just like any other, they screw the employees as much as possible. So basically, it goes into the pockets of CEOs.
thisuserisafk
Bit what about the share holders and investors?!?!
DrShrimpPuertoRico85
thinkstopthink
The insurance cartels are not gonna let this happen. Those traitor-cunts are like cancerous lesions all over the body politic.
MrTenant2
Yea, but its Yale, and doesn't enrich billionaires, so it must be bs. /s
areyouelonmusk
We've known this for decades. That trillion dollars goes into corporate pockets and they'll do anything to keep it flowing
Voojagig
Yeah but then they would have to come up with a new scam to drain our accounts.
TheDoctorCrankenstein
Yea but reduced spending means company owners who are on the receiving end of that spending would make less money and our government is structured in such a way that it will put the needs of the owning class above the needs of the working class.
solmazer
But what about the billionaires??
Thorketil
"Pff, science. I do my own research."
atoyot
Source source source. Stop posting these without a source. A meme infographic isn't anything.
ForgotMyUsernameYetAgain
Profit is a side effect, cruelty is the point.
DOcelot1
https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1MnZpMDV3eXZoZzhiYXZpODdpZ2VsbjNtdHJlNWhjeHF0Z3o2ZDNkaSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/IuaM5sUvLCYTyNKV4J/200w.webp
unremarkableasterisk
Pfft... Yale. What do THEY know.
/s
BasicMojo
Somebody went to Harvard
Resistance1000
And the for-profit healthcare and health insurance companies responded with a hearty go fuck yourselves.
Ivalicenyan
Yeah but there's are some brown kids somewhere on the other side of the world sucking my oxygen. So priorities
IDoNotWantAnAccount
Investing in people is what a good government would do.
AlterSack
Yes, but it would reduce the companies’ profits by just that amount, which is exactly why it will never happen.
Sebastopol140
Saving money for rich people tax cuts doesn even make sense. It's just about fucking people.
Sebastopol140
*doesn't
oldguyexlurker
Been saying this for a couple decades. There is no fuckin' way actual healthcare could not be provided for less cost that a current system which covers the marketing, executive salaries, shareholder returns, ego-office buildings, naming rights contracts, direct cost sales, additional HR costs, additional administrative costs at healthcare providers, middlemen, etc. associated with the private healthcare insurance racket. None. Concrete example... BCBS runs my mom's healthcare using only 1/
oldguyexlurker
the funds provided through her Medicare benefits, but includes more covered aspects than just straight Medicare provides. Those funds WILL cover her completely, but the healthcare lobby has garnered restraints on what Medicare is ALLOWED to cover through their lobbying efforts in Congress (bribes). And if it will do that even COVERING all the BCBS bullshit, then there's PLENTY of room for savings on actual healthcare.
LurkingSarcasm
Translation: healthcare companies and insurance are ripping off Americans at least 1 trillion a year.
BdrLen
And killing over 100 000 people.
andwings2go
And that’s with AHCA in place that they hate so much. Was probably 5 times that before Obama.
MrNardtastic
Thanks Obama
FartingWiener
Ah yes, a trillion dollars a year, annually, as opposed to a trillion dollars a year, monthly.
Apeofdeath
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/yale-study-finds-medicare-for-all-could-save-1-trillion-and-114-000-liv">year/">https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/yale-study-finds-medicare-for-all-could-save-1-trillion-and-114-000-lives-every-year/
https://ysph.yale.edu/news-article/universal-health-coverage-could-save-one-trillion-dollars-and-114000-lives-every-year/
XEtAl
Hasn't been peer reviewed yet. Still a preprint. Probably accurate regardless. Just don't want anyone thinking this specific study is irrefutable. Let's hope this gets peer reviewed and supported by the rest of the scientific community.
SchmotGuys
V65ozzie
Yet I have friends, intelligent friends, who insist that socialised medicine won't work. I left the US and now live in a country with SM. I was involved in a motorcycle accident last week. I spent a week in the hospital. So far my expenses have been £3 for the bus home, and £8 for the last bit of my trip with uber (because I couldn't walk very far with broken ribs) Now sitting at home (ish) recovering. I was attended at the scene by a police medic, a fast response EMT, 1 of 2
V65ozzie
a helicopter ambulance crew (yes they landed in a field next to me) and the actual ambulance crew. I was released a week later as ribs just have to heal, and my damaged spleen was looking good. Not a single bill to be seen.
lightfoot2
Think of the billionaires!
scootwhoman
We pay more per capita than any other country, yet have the smallest number of people receiving health care. This is wealth care, not health care.
Grinch01
But did they consider the shareholders ? /s yeah thas the amount these greedy blood suckers put in their pocket whlie they let people die
beez428
No shit. But then some cunt couldn't get a cunty yacht & fuck off to be cunty when some hero blasted one of their cunty associates.
morninggloryshade777
Bingo!
Cosmicfisherman
There you go!!! There you go!!! Using those Fact Thingies!!
Agatsu74
...and that's a trillion dollars that would actually go into the economy, not linger on bank accounts.
Oh and I guess the saving lives thing is cool, too.
Tuksuky
I'm fine with just the lives tbh. If it cost that much to save lives, sure that's fine. The money can get fucked. But that's usually never the case.
RevengeIsIceCream
The kicker is how much is spent while still not saving those lives...
BillHubbard
Yeah, but do billionaires get more yaughts tho? /s
TheUglyGuy
They do naught.
LeftRightThere
They do knot.
OneInThePinkTwoInTheStink
They do nod
thetonestarr
Also fwiw it comes out to an average of ~$3000/person in savings.
johneventually1
yeah but society can murder these people for 8.77 million dollars each for the sacrifices to the billionaire gods
KillingTlme
more than that, because most employers are currently paying $500-$2000 a month to help cover their employees healthcare cost. If done right, this money could go back into paychecks for everyone.
vonHoopla
I dunno about that. Do we really want 110000 more Americans every year? /jk
SpamYarBlockers
That trillion dollars would no longer go to healthcare businesses/ceos/lobbyists/and by extension political campaigns so nope not gonna change
LitterBoxKing
But have you thought about health care providers' record profits?
GodHelpMeToBeGood
those poor stockholders, gambling addictions for the rich is so sad.
GallusTadius
Yeah. Who's going to buy all those private jets if the insurance companies go how of business? All those workers will be out of a job.
Ac1dBurn72
I have. My partner and I BOTH work in the benefits/broker sphere.
2/3 of my pay goes to taxes and healthcare/childcare.
I'd gladly get both done from the government and find a new career.
xj4low
"I don't want my tax dollars going to someone else that ain't workin!"
-MAGA
a1b3117
Its not even thr provider....its the profits extracted by middlemen
BeaverOnFire
tgiaa
Luigi has
BostonTony
As a healthcare provider, I can confidently tell you that the money is going to the private corporate insurance companies, not to healthcare providers.
LordFancypantsicus
I work in the pharma industry and "providers" generally means actual medical professionals like MDs, DOs, NPs, RNs, etc. It is the insurance companies, not providers, that are absolutely ratfucking everyone. That, and private equity gobbling up hospitals and specialty private practices.
urusername2
Won't ANYONE think of the billionaires?
ConstantlyonYoBack
They shouldn't be called healthcare providers, they're gougers profiting off people's lives.
Centroid
Providers, or insurers?
drduffer
Generally speaking, it’s not the direct care providers like Doctors and Nurse Practitioners that are where healthcare dollars go. It’s the big businesses like hospitals, surgicenters, and big pharmaceutical companies where the money goes.
drduffer
Oh, and also, especially also, the insurance companies.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
And really only to the execs of those companies. Just like any other, they screw the employees as much as possible. So basically, it goes into the pockets of CEOs.