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Sep 1, 2020 9:29 AM
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sgtxsarge
Are news outlets saying things like "These people died of respiratory issues" for people who are dying of Covid?
Cyberpope67
Occasionally, yes.
thanexitium
Yes, but did you remember yo draw your anti bear circle?
Cyberpope67
& inject anti-bear bleach!
ConductorForTrainsHere
Yes, but it was more like a oval.
kabukinator
Doesn’t that only work for seabears?
darkwood1971
And you are still doomed unless you wear your anti-sea rhinoceros underwear
SnapCrackleKrombopulosMichael
Yes, if you see bears draw the circle.
bjorklund
This is what’s called an underlying condition. You wouldn’t have died from wounds if you didn’t have diabetes. Why is this so hard to grasp.
BraveStrawberry
I thinks it’s that in this scenario—technically—she didn’t die from the wounds, she died b/c her diabetes wasn’t managed properly, (1/2)
BraveStrawberry
presumably by healthcare professionals and presumably while she couldn’t manage it herself.
Darthnarciss
AIDS doesn't kill you, the other infections do. Bullets don't kill you, its the blood loss, trauma, and shock. Yet we say people died of
Darthnarciss
AIDS, or gunshot wounds. This crap is just more rat-licking plague spreader rhetoric.
Cyberpope67
would the other things have killed you without the AIDS or gunshot wound? If no, t hen t hey are not COD.
Darthnarciss
I'm unsure exactly what you are saying, so I'll say it again differently. Every death or injury has comorbidities, barring sudden things
Darthnarciss
Like a random stroke or blood clot in an otherwise healthy individual. So people saying 95% of the people that died that hd covid only died
Darthnarciss
Becuase of some other issue, so covid isn't a big deal, is ridiculous.
bingotown
A contractor doing work on my house just told me he thought COVID was a hoax. First denier I've met in the wild. I was speechless.
Cyberpope67
I know one, but she's fucking nuyts in general, so sure. . . I just nod & get away asap, withmask tightly on.
notaballoon
The irony of America, of all nations, being like "well COVID didn't cause those deaths, obesity did" and acting like they're safe
Daemon7777
While siiting in mcdonalds watching netflix
FortressCraft
Well, no-one ever dies from old age, or AIDs. They just let something else kill you.
Cyberpope67
EVERY death is "heart failure" technically.
basicwhitelich
"HosPiTalS get Moarr monEy fOr CoViD!" No shit no shit, highly contagious diseases are fucking expensive to contain
SilentZed
Clearly - if it was a cloudy day and you might have survived if it was a sunny day, then the weather is to blame /sarcasm
SophieClockwise
Trump, later today: "A lot of people are saying bears are the cause of COVID-19. Chinese bears. The C stands for China."
friedmarmalade
CBD. Chinese bear disease.
RideTheStimutacs
That's 3 sentences that flow into each other without a tangent. He's never that coherent.
kenetiket
Bear stands for Beijing endangers all Americans, really. So it makes sense
fredhrick
"CHYNA"
ShellPhish
Syk0tik0ne
drcookieninja
Look, Chinese secret agent.
Patches3000
There’s a lot of jobs in bear attacks! Why don’t we want to be friends with these bears? Some say bear attacks are a good thing!
katolu
I want this framed and above my fireplace.
Valiantlight
i dont regret reading this is my Trump voice
KinderChef
Ew. I can hear it in his voice.
JahNoodles
Damn I read that in his voice. I think I'm fucked
Para4
Hahaha i heard him say that as i was reading lmao
FridaMercury
CHI-na
FancyAmsterdammerrrr
Chinese bears ... I have also heard Chears for short
Asciiman
*Chyna. Because you know he says it like that
SingleWhiteMonkey
It's pronounced, "Tchina!"
electricwizard
BenderBendingRrrrrrodriguez
*Gina
thisiswhyicanthaveanythingnice
Jyna
proracing53
Soolie
I've seen her dick
otiumCatulli
And you wished yours was as long? Or just that mommy loved you?
Soolie
Both? It's a joke from years ago. She doesn't have a dick just an elongated clit that teenage boys had no idea existed and said was a penis.
Metalbawkses
**Chynya
altmeds
Cause v. Mechanism
303SnowWolf
When you're trying to do public health education but you still gotta somehow work in that you run marathons.
Cyberpope67
The Vegan claim comes in the next talk?
IsolatedAsshole
Caught Covid-19. Cause of death? Too many bears in her blood.
WehWehWeh
I read that as “type 1 ultradiabetes” and was like woah, sounds serious
scarysandwich
Pawnee has the first case of Mega Diabetes
BulletProofMarshmellow
I came down here to find this. Thank you.
SpaceTaco22
Is that like when I see my son's English teacher and I get an ultraboner?
BethWifeEver
Erections lasting longer to 4 hours = ultraboner. Go to the ER.
SpaceTaco22
Can... Can I just go to the house or my son's English teacher? She can help. I just know it. With grammar
BethWifeEver
SophieClockwise
Ultrabeetus.
Muunk
I hurv trype 1 stronkabetes
St0r4bl3L1ght
Weird... I did exactly the same thing
PoppaBigBear
It's like regular type 1 diabetes, but ultra.
type1dave
Emperorofman
It's what the ultramarines get
yourbassist
Codename: The Brimley
frogsnot
At that point, it's just die-abetes.
koflan
It's a three pronged attack. Betes. Diabetes. Ultradiabetes.
geauxirish22
"I have ultradiabetes, my name is Scott Malkinson"
SergeiBoobtitsky
Mithi
Type 1, Type 2 ... you gotta have at least Type 9000!!!
SecondSince
Marathons cause ultra diabetes?!?! :O
MKUltraMega
UltraMega diabetes
copingcabana
Super sweet
chewybacon
Pff. Showoff.
METROlD
OMG this happens to me all the time. It's like this weird mental fatigue kind of dyslexia where you blend two lines at once.
toooes
?Drop the betes! Go, go, go, go!?
BlairT1
That’s like Super-AIDS
Grizy
Your dick just pops right off.
Dontworrybesalty
Grudgebearingmidget
wat.jpg
Fiss
Well, shit, I guess I'd better put down the Cool Whip and stick to pure vegetable lard.
pandemicmodedad
1 spoonful of super aids and your dead in 6 weeks.
Botticelliii
HERPA-GHONNA-SYPHL-AIDS.
lancell
And begs the question: tf is a ultramarathon?
Zyrgon
Sounds dreadful
BethWifeEver
It’s a marathon. But ultra. Also, it’s about 50 miles.
lancell
battery1979
I thought ultras were 100 miles, or is ultra just any marathon above 26.2 miles?
BethWifeEver
I think it’s anything over 26.2.
likuidlightning
I thought it said Ultramarines not ultramarathons. I was wondering what 40k had to do with diabetes.
bourneshade
In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only diabetes.
override367
COME BROTHER, YOU MUST NOT LET THE XENOS FINISH BEFORE US
Rhacman
Can't it be both? I mean, if recovering from the hypothetical bear attack was complicated by diabetes management then both were factors.
quadropheniac
both would be on the death certificate but the leading cause would be the bear attack, in this dr's example
Durrakan
I work for a LHD in KY. We take death reporting for COVID really fucking seriously. Trump’s comment was an insult to all of our credibility.
sunyudai
This, my wife works for a major non-profit hospital system. Getting flagged as a covid death is a high bar.
Durrakan
Retweet, that is. Our work shouldn’t be undermined by our own government.
TheFuckingCatalinaWineMixer21
He also had a "doctor" undermine your credibility.
norticat
Was this the doctor that warned us of demon sperm?
TheFuckingCatalinaWineMixer21
Yup
clutchthepearls
Do you think these people believe that AIDS isn't deadly? Hardly anyone dies from AIDS. They die from common illnesses after AIDS has (1)
clutchthepearls
weakened their immune system. So AIDS really isn't deadly at all, it's not big deal to get it. Just live your life unafraid! (2)
pvtwestbrook86
Yes. Aids is not a cause of death. It will still be listed as a contributing factor of the cause. Excellent analogy.
Mechcommand67
Is ted the bear or the diabetes? Asking for a friend
Cyberpope67
the bear is always Fred.
krapmyself
Wow. I read this 5 times to make sense of it because I kept reading "ultramarathons" as "ultramarines" and was super confused.
KinzuaCamper
I thought it read Ultra Mammories
FrogBotherer
moonshadowkati
I, Cato Sicarius, am healthy enough to run the Ultramarines and I, Cato Sicarius, would never be defeated by a bear, because I, Cato Sicari-
HomWapko
"I CAST FIST."
Navrodel
osnabb
Navrodel
DeeDoubleYu
SpaceMarineWithAnUrgeToPurge
agonarch
changerofways9
Praise the Emperor!
Asadsadsadclown
PrimarchVulkanXVIII
mystichead
Get back to singing binary to the machine spirit, Adept!
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Thelrishlnquistion
Remember when the death count was 100,000? One of them was disputing that number over this issue, and then acted like they’d ‘won’.
mtsheppy
I'm legitimately confused, what is this in response to? What idiocy did I miss out on this time?
GaddockTeej
People with underlying illnesses that get Corona don’t actually die because of Corona. It’s like how bleeding out kills you, not the bullet.
TakeTheStairs
everyday there is fresh stupidity happening out there and getting posted on here. ive discovered its not always worth persuing.
elahrairah
new stats showed most covid deaths are technically something else and it's got the anti-maskers excited.
nummanummayey
Not really. Most covid deaths are *still* covid deaths, even technically. Pneumonia is not a symptom of diabethes or hypertension.
gastonlikegaston
To play devil's advocate, if you get in a car crash, and you go to the hospital, they test you for corona. If you die from the wreck
gastonlikegaston
Injuries, it's still being tallied as a corona death. Which is wrong.
DrDoALittleMoreThanBareMinimum
The amount of shit I got from idiots when I tried to explain this last month was shocking. They don't care that I'm a Dr that saw and worked
JaydashCub
With a name like @DrDoALittleMoreThanBareMinimum I am also wary of your western medicine.
AppleJoosh
My NP friend goes thru the same thing. Everyone explaining to her that it’s a hoax and then looking to her for their personal medical advice
oncewoken
I am a NP. Can confirm.
CoffeePleaseee
I just can’t take much more idiocracy
CurlyZen
I finally had it today as well. Anyone still with tRump at this point can go to Hell because that’s where they belong.
CoffeePleaseee
It’s making me want to go home to be real. I don’t wanna be here if he wins
oksuggestions
It is so very unlikely that he will. And if he would, I expect a huge uprising. I'm not american but I'm starting to feel bad for them
Borgham
Why did you explain this? Like I don't get the reference, what is the debate here
LathiArcanus
A few days ago, someone intentionally misinterpreted new CDC data to claim that CV19 had a morbidity rate of "only" 6% b/c most deaths /1
LathiArcanus
occured in patients w/ co-morbidities & only about that many died purely from CV19 effects.
Thelrishlnquistion
I know exactly what you mean. They’re maddeningly dense when it comes to this.
allworkandnoplaymakegengocrazy
What is your point exactly? That the deadcount should be called "died of complications related to covid hospitalization"?
Potatopeelerkind
The opposite, I think. That the deadcount should be called "Died of Covid." Covid being the bear in this situation.
allworkandnoplaymakegengocrazy
No bear, no hospit..no problem with db, no death. Same logic applies to CV19. Doesnt matter if its the virus who killed or the comorbidities
allworkandnoplaymakegengocrazy
If you lived well with the comorbidities until covid came.. you wouldnt have died if not for covid. So wear a mask and wash your hands.
FourLegsGood
Explain to them that guns don't kill people. People kill people. You need to learn their language.
tflorio19500
The first rule of idiots and deniers... disregard logic and fact.
CommentBot2000
I'm going with "what is the survival rate of those underlying conditions? Is Covid an X factor?"
lookitupyourself
Thing is it can flip both ways.
TheThingNoNotThatOne
Aside from this, right now there's 120 million Americans with heart disease, 50 million with respitory disease, and 100 million with 1/2
GriffinMann41
Wait holy fuck, nearly a third of the country has heart disease?
TheThingNoNotThatOne
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2019/01/31/heart-disease-nearly-half-u-s-adults-have-it-study-finds/2729955002/
Mistruths
"heart disease" describes like 40 different conditions. Some are relatively minor/unnoticeable, others are immediately life-threatening.
TheThingNoNotThatOne
Yes, as the article points out high blood pressure counts. But it would be considered a comorbidity if someone died of COVID
banneduser2
Just wait till u find out the undiagnosed is a fuck ton higher
Daemon7777
Don't listen and keep eating processed food! It makes shareholders happy and therefore increases health!
Daemon7777
Also: there is this new series on netflix so don't bother moving your body
TheThingNoNotThatOne
diabetes, and about 70 million people over the age of 60. Saying "it only kills people with other conditions and old people!" is dumb.
JaydashCub
That's not dumb, that is the empirical truth. Anyone that says its a reason to ignore the threat it poses is dumb.
Daemon7777
Well why would you repeat that fact without additionql info if you don't want to suggest that covid is harmless?
JaydashCub
I wouldn't lmao, that'd be dumb
historyboeuf
What they are really saying is "It only kills people who aren't ME"
thatfucknguy
Them or those close to them. It gets close to funny when one of these type of people lose someone and their tune changes.
Kbantar
Which isn't even true. Low risk is not no risk. I will never understand why people think it is.
LeMegachonk
Because you have a "low risk" of dying from a lot of things you probably shouldn't waste time worrying about.
arghthisissohard
I thought surely 100M Americans can’t have diabetes, but 34M have it and 88M have pre-diabetes, so it’s truly that insane. Corn syrup maybe?
Kbantar
The main risk factors for diabetes are obesity, lack of exercise, and genetic propensity.
arghthisissohard
Sugar is a great contributor to obesity
keyonne
No it’s the fact they put sugar in everything, even our bread.
arghthisissohard
In America, corn syrup aka glucose syrup is used in place of sugar in a lot of foods because America produces more corn than sugar.
LiamRobertsonjr
Them-"But only 7% died of only coronovirus" Me-"no shit you don't die of only the flu you die of pneumonia,dehydration,old age, and the flu"
UVAChemE2013
The current case fatality rate is actually about 3%.
LiamRobertsonjr
Huh, who are you speaking to? I sure didn't mention case fatality rate.
UVAChemE2013
Then what do you mean “only 7% died of coronavirus”. What’s that 7% supposed to be?
LiamRobertsonjr
That's not what I said you took out a only.
LiamRobertsonjr
You can't use quotes and not even quotes what was said.
LiamRobertsonjr
AIDS kill almost noone opportunistic infections do. But we say it was AIDS. Why because without AIDS that infection wouldn't kill.
Kbantar
I remember hearing about one poor schmuck who contracted a disease normally seen in trees.
LiamRobertsonjr
Damn. Im guessing a bacteria or fungus.
DrDoALittleMoreThanBareMinimum
Through all this...Its either their "facts" or I'm lying. You can't teach a pigeon chess, it'll shit everywhere and strut around like it won
foglifter
Thank you for this.
ShearWind
A guy here (Romania) posted on FB that he got admitted into hospital with Covid and had bad symptoms and he was called by "friends" 1/2
ShearWind
2/2 that called him a liar, that he's not really sick and was lying for money....some people...
GoIIum
This whole cult is insane, not only the people in it but that it exists wherever Facebook is used. Greetings from Germany
Theemeraldknight
Lol I love that
phylax1
"One cannot teach a jelly-fish to sing by feeding it on canary-seed" (Dion Fortune aka Violet Firth)
kEMup
Bear*minimum
pritolus
You're like the pilot who won't confirm that the Earth is flat, clearly nothing else you say has merit /s
bhobby1212
Is this pigeon's name Donald?
mentallychallengeaccepted
Just like grandpa during his final years with alzheimers. Göran you old bastard!
Zahnradfee
It's more likely a pigeon can learn chess than a person who doesn't want to learn to learn anything.
vanpoopsing
I’ve tried to explain to people that if we recorded deaths the way they think COVID should be reported, every cause would be cardiac arrest.
mmkayrene
Even though this is commentary on a tragic and damaging phenomenon, you've presented a beautiful metaphor here.
BojanglesTheFlyingCar
my mom's a doctor and it's unbelievably frustrating when she parrots the line "well hospitals are just saying it's C19 to get more money"
liveitup1
My uncle says the same. He told me "if you die in a car wreck and have c19, they say thats why you died. No, no they dont.
seentoomuchdeath
distrust of admin causes ignorant comments, as she knows there is always a game afoot for funding. I hope she knows the #s are real!
BojanglesTheFlyingCar
She's retired so she just listens to her echo chamber of fox and other retired docs. Doesn't help my sister does this too .
Steffychuuuu
I never understood this because outside of America really, healthcare isn’t a business & America isn’t even the top in cases anymore...
BojanglesTheFlyingCar
America, where health is a product and not a service.
Steffychuuuu
I can’t say my country is perfect re: healthcare but holy fuck balls how Americans haven’t rioted due to medical debt is beyond me
catsandcoke
I love that they think it’s fake. That every country in the world somehow put aside their differences so they could pretend there’s a virus
DaMummy
So what you're saying, is that fentanyl killed George Floyd?
Heavenissize17socks
Phony accusations of counterfeit bills killed George Floyd.
alman1234
Nah, what they’re saying is multiple things can go on a death cert and 1 thing is gonna be the primary factor, choking is for Floyd if you
alman1234
possess more than 2 brain cells.
DaMummy
So yes, it was the bear that killed OP.
alman1234
Additionally, comorbidity contributes a lot to the statistic, you can’t just discredit someone who ultimately died of cancer if they could
blackrasputin
What are you doing approaching bears? Sounds kinda like partying without a mask on.
Cyberpope67
If you're an adult, & you want to be dead, that's your business, but don't involve anyone else.
dcchillin46
Ya tried explaining this to some Midwestern co-workers, they didn't seem to understand the difference between cause and contributing.
badbirdlb
If you had terminal cancer and contracted covid then died would that be a covid death? This was My grandmother, except her she got pneumonia
9point3x62
It would be classified COVID, but epidemiologists studying the epidemic 5 years from now would not consider that an "excess death" in 2020
badbirdlb
Thanks you, great info
9point3x62
because that hypothetical person would have died in 2020 anyways. This year is going to have many fewer deaths from traditional causes.
9point3x62
The concept here is "harvesting", where an infectious disease is the immediate cause of death in the oldest/sickest members of a population
9point3x62
At some point we'll be able to calculate that 250k people died "with" COVID in 2020, but the excess mortality in 2020 was 150k.
9point3x62
Which (using those numbers) means 150k people who otherwise would have lived died because of COVID
originalWFHhipster
Yes and no. If the person who fills out the death certificate has half-way decent training, they will list secondary and terciary causes
originalWFHhipster
Problem is, not everyone is trained.
Cyberpope67
Technically any "doctor" including coroners(coronaers?) are trained.
neilwatkinsfromaccounting
Well yeah, the bear is the cause of death
passwordisnext
Bear wouldn't have attacked if she was wearing her mask...
neilwatkinsfromaccounting
I don't think a mask is going to stop a bear
BraveStrawberry
Seems like a gray area though. The bear attack would’ve brought her in for medical care, but if she dies from low blood sugar or
BraveStrawberry
ketoacidosis, it doesn’t sound unreasonable to say diabetes killed her either. Sounds like teamwork.
Cyberpope67
comorbidity, yup.
RenaissanceFaireMan
Which is why its a co-morbidity.
neilwatkinsfromaccounting
Flip a coin. Heads, we put down "bear attack". Tails, "Diabetes"
wannabecowboy
IMO, If you bled out first, then it’s bear. If you have enough blood but hypo/hyperglycemia or DKA kills you, then it’s diabetes.
neilwatkinsfromaccounting
Disagree. She's weak because of diabetus. If she was weak from old age you would blame the bear no further questions.
1Plebian
Say you surprise Grandma by showing up to her birthday party. She has a heart attack. You are the cause of death, not the weak heart.
1Plebian
She was happily having a birthday party till you entered the room.
Mapleviking
"she died peacefully of old age and a bear attack"
alman1234
BraveStrawberry
Ok, well I guess we’ll just have to disagree.
teknoanimal
i agree with the disagreeing
neilwatkinsfromaccounting
evilgriff
They should still pit Type 1 Diabetes on your death cert as a secondary cause of death or complication leading to death. Right?
alman1234
Yeah, for sure, but jackasses shouldn’t look at 6% non-comorbidity and use it to downplay the severity of bear attacks.
textilelover
Sure, but that doesn't mean that the bear didn't kill them, which is what the Covidiots are saying.
tooomanystevesgotbanned
Well, yes. The failure to managed her T1D is actually the primary cause of death. Hospital reports can hide the truth.
Mistruths
The primary cause of death would be that her brain stopped.
smolbep
If a factor that wouldn't've normally endangered someone killed them due to an external factor, the external factor is the cause of death.
Cyberpope67
You put the immediate COD down, otherwise you can trace cause & effect back & just put "birth" down as COD for everyone.
ContinuallySenseless
CoD: "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void..."
Cyberpope67
No argument, or as they(PhDs) prefer to word it: BANG(a big one)
Cyberpope67
That's considered by many, to be "First Cause" in a static void (I prefer the Oscillating Universe Theory,but ultimately a motion was begun)
ContinuallySenseless
Douglas Adams quote would've been more fitting in afterthought...
Cyberpope67
they often are!
AOYearOfBirth
Is this referencing something?
Gorapora
People saying COVID-19 isn't dangerous because contributing factors are listed in deaths.
drainbamage1011
There was a stat from the CDC that 6% of COVID-19 deaths in the US had no comorbidities. People of a certain political leaning ran with...
drainbamage1011
...that and said "look, only 9,000 true COVID deaths, everyone else died from other causes, COVID is a hoax!" Which is not how any...
drainbamage1011
...other medical condition is treated.
Imalwaysready
Americans being fucking morons & intentionally undercounting COVID deaths because people caught COVID, it exacerbated some other condition >
Imalwaysready
so medical authorities are like "Well, COVID stressed out their organs, but they technically had a heart attack so that's what killed them."
smarq
Some are going with a comorbidity narrative. ‘They didn’t die of COVID-19 but rather asthma or diabetes hashtag sixpercent’
khora
There are some legitimacy to the process though. As many countries log everyone with covid positive test as covid death if they died within
khora
x days of the test, you can later go back and read the actual records to tease out cause of death. E.g. if you had covid-19 and got
khora
fatally attacked by a bear, to keep with the example. In Sweden that lowers the number with 15%, so most are still covid-19.
ThePunishersVengefulBrother
I have a engineer who works for me. Masters in nuclear engineering. He told me today that only 10,000 people have died of COVID
anengineerandacat
It's an important distinction, even in the bear scenario in the report it would likely be logged as trauma from bear attack and hypoglycemia
Kbantar
Hypoglycemia is too low of blood sugar. Injury and pain generally cause violent up spikes, not down spikes. Then again, I'm type 2.
Corrodias
It's important in some ways, not in a "the bear attack had nothing to do with it" way.
youareandshallalwaysbemyfuzzy
It would most likely be hyperglycemia, easier to fix hypo. Hyper would damage vessels and slow healing, increasing risk of infection.
alman1234
Not important in the way people typically want it to be, it’s not important to distinguish only to downplay severity of bear attacks.
tooomanystevesgotbanned
Agreed.