azazyel
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Not only do you get fined for not doing it, you have to pay $20 to go through this bullshit.
https://twitter.com/valarkooshpa/status/1397267608236265473
May 26, 2021 8:16 PM
azazyel
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Not only do you get fined for not doing it, you have to pay $20 to go through this bullshit.
https://twitter.com/valarkooshpa/status/1397267608236265473
Dizastrpiece
PA just keeps pulling more and more BS.
StatisticallyInsignificantCanadian
My wife suggested a better response than I had lined up:
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ControversialLeftistLesbian
Better one: Suck my clit, piece of shit.
gorillaClutch
stalkerm
Cthulhuonabike
It asks for a name for the miscarried fetus?! It's a shame the people who are responsible for this bill weren't miscarried themselves
whackiscrack
Oh don't worry, you can check the "fetus didn't have a name" box
diesoz
azazyel
Green223
The man behind this bill, Frank Ryan, R-Lebanon County, literally said he was "asking the ladies in the room" to "recognize how men feel."
PamelaBeeslyHalpert
Well this is fucked
deadtedw
It doesn't seem to be real. Unable to find a credible source.
CantWeAllJustGetOolong
Try searching Pennsylvania Bill 118. Passed but Gov has already promised to veto.
PamelaBeeslyHalpert
At least he’s promised to veto
JustplainGross
Part of PA HB118. Actually says you dont need cert, but read further and part of internment needs 2 forms and if mom doesn't 1/2
JustplainGross
2/2 want to bury/cremate, hosp has to do so then bill parents for it anyway at a higher rate. Its worded so there's no way not to do this.
OneAPennyTwoAPenny
If I understand correctly, theoretically hospitals should have to eat the cost but there's concern that they'll charge the parents anyway?
DoomeD2Walk
Ain’t America great?
Dusty0Hara
This is fucking dystopian. My 42 hour labour & c-section. Was traumatic, this is torture
siskoisbest
Can anyone think of any other medical condition that incurs a civil penalty? I certainly can't.
backrideup9
Technically, all of them. Non payment of a bill is probably a misdemeanor offence most places.
ControversialLeftistLesbian
Being a woman has some pretty hefty penalties by the look of it.
PuzzledCompletely
There's a fee to get a handicap placard in TN.
SgtDefaultGN
Like a $10 admin fee or like a $200/year license fee?
PuzzledCompletely
$21.50 every 2 years.
mageoflime
Severely disabled people lose benefits if they get married and there is a cap on their assets which prevents them from owning like .. a car
onlyhalfghost
that depends whether you consider bankruptcy a civil penalty.
janlevinson
Oof
jimmythehat1
It also demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of basic human reproduction. Do you know how many fertilized eggs don't attach and
jimmythehat1
pass naturally or how many do attach and pass without the woman even realizing they were pregnant? What are they supposed to pay for every
jimmythehat1
heavy period now?
Taxicat
Oh, they often do understand. They just don’t CARE.
bigshipissailingontheocean
America you are really fucked up
FlowerPanda
Yep, no arguments here with that statement.I hate it and want to change it but unless 70million-ish others stop being insane this is reality
Cheomesh
Wondering if I want to raise my family here long-term.
georgedragonslayer
Yeah. We know.
Mercurybird
Lol Why are you directing that to the whole country. It’s Pennsylvania. That’s one state and I don’t even thing this is real. Need sauce.
PuzzledCompletely
https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/91696
bigshipissailingontheocean
So Pennsylvania is not America? And if you are not from that state it’s okay?
ThisIsYourLifeNow
yeah, thats just one in a million other things thats SOOO fucked up in your banana republic. To much to list it anywhere. And there is new
ThisIsYourLifeNow
stuff every day. Its like you guys chose to win some fucked up country reward every damn day.
FlowerPanda
Oh no I can tell you that this whole country is really fucked up in a multitude of different ways. America is fucked up.
twisteddkarma
DisillusionedMe
That’s right punish the poor woman who just experience an unpleasant event in her life that she couldn’t prevent. Idiots
StarscreamAndHutch
Thats the whole point. Hypocrisy and cruelty.
TheAngryMarineBiologist
Cruelty is always the point with conservatism.
ControversialLeftistLesbian
Our entire government is anti-woman.
DoctorSniffles
Well one half in particular but yes also in general
greentights
The other half isn't really trying to not compromise...
cinematicheart
*traumatic event
Itinerate
** arguably one of the most traumatic.
10sky
Proof of a system that hates women and fuck you if you think you're going to stick up for them.
thisiscatman
They're doing it on purpose. Geniuses (Evil, but geniuses)
Juliana818
In the time you wrote that comment you could have probably researched how inaccurate this post is
AnAnarchoSyndicalistCommune
I did and it is accurate (though won't make it into official law)
starkeclipse
Sauce?
Heavenissize17socks
https://www.health.pa.gov/topics/certificates/Pages/Fetal-Death.aspx
AnAnarchoSyndicalistCommune
This just says what the cert is, it doesn't say whether a woman is fined for not seeking one
AnAnarchoSyndicalistCommune
From my research the above is only inaccurate in that the law will not pass (D governor) but yes PA Rs voted for it
KareemCheezItz
These just passed the committee, it hasn’t been voted on. It’s still scary but it’s not a law yet
Skuggen
No, it's just that us white middle-aged men are the only ones who've realized that you can't actually miscarry if you don't want to.
starkeclipse
/s I hope?
PuzzledCompletely
It's been 30 years, and 2 kids since I miscarried, but that sentence hurt.
Skuggen
I'm very sorry to hear that (but it would not surprise me if there are politicians who actually think like this).
pookieeatworld
Sorry you had to go through that. There's been several miscarriages in my family and I had an uncle that was stillborn so I know the pain ~
pookieeatworld
never really does go away. Hope you've been able to heal as much as you can though.
fatguyinnalittlecoat
It's really sad to see my home of PA turning into Pennsyltucky. We were once a very blue state. Thanks GOP.
GrumpyOldBoomer
Lived in PA for 30 yrs, loved it. But outside of Philly, Pitt & H-burg—majority of the counties are very red=>republicant state legislature.
BrdCdn
1/ Reading that as a foreigner is sad. Translates to outside of the cities, where everyone lives, slackjawed idiots hold all the power.
GrumpyOldBoomer
Yup. Not limited to PA unfortunately.
Roentheassassin
As a registered republican this makes me ashamed of this state
Ryann85
You should really be rethinking your party affiliation...
Roentheassassin
I need a party in the middle. Both parties have moved towards the poles and left me unrepresented
Ryann85
No way. What poles have the democrats moved too? The Democratic party would be conservative in many countries.
Roentheassassin
I’ve met my fair share of dems that have moved to super liberal thought police and based on my experience with the tea party the politicians
Green223
Wolf is vetoing the 3 anti-choice bills passed yesterday so it's political theater by the Republicans. Still he won't be in office for long.
llamprey
I have to ask why Pennsylvanians are voting for this garbage? What in God's name is wrong with them? What are you doing about it?
Green223
Pennsylvania's legislature has an absurd amount representatives giving an inordinate amount of power to rural areas.
Green223
It's why our governor is currently a Democrat, and we voted for Biden, but our legislature is overwhelmingly Republican.
fatguyinnalittlecoat
I live in a rural, poor, depressed area in PA and people here are easily brainwashed. There are still a ton of Trump flags here.
fatguyinnalittlecoat
The only thing I can do about it is vote straight Dem when I vote but it doesn't matter much when my county is mainly Republican.
Green223
Same here. People I've known all my life have turned into racist morons since Trump. I guess they always were but the mask is off now.
Hooffartedyeahhh
I had 2 miscarriages. Had MD genetic test 2nd b/c he said I wouldn’t MC. It was Downs Syn. If they had made me do this, I’d be in jail for..
Hooffartedyeahhh
Murder right now. The person that made me fill it out and the MD that didn’t listen to me when I said something was wrong.
SithElephant
For added fucked-up-ness, consider that this is yet another fuck-you to the communities without as much ID/photo ID/drivers licences.
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
"The fetus was not named at time of delivery" how about you go fuck yourself sideways, pal. What the fucking fuck.
DrSchlepenstein
Fuck the PA Republican party.
cormone
At some point all these backwards dinosaurs are going to die right? And along with them their outdated ideologies... right.. ?
Taxicat
No, there’s plenty of younger people being radicalized into this filth.
LordOfZajo
Yes and no. They control who can can’t enter politics through patronage/gerrymandering/old guardism. Therefore they only choose those 1/2
LordOfZajo
2/2 those of the next generation who agree with their backwards ideologies to follow after them. Therefore old beliefs endure much longer.
ClericOfTheProsperityGospel
What the fuck.
insomniac24x7
And they are working on a bill to not require licenses to conceal carry. I’m a liberal with a conceal carry and I can’t deal with my state
LordNergal
Exactly. Just... What the ever living, Jesus in a schoolgirl outfit riding a tentacled pogostick through Hentailand, fuck?
MinisterofToques
Blessed be the fruit
RawSugarPackage
Sounds like some insurance lobbied crap
LanceHol
I would go with GOP Dominionist shit from religious/social fanatics
daschizznitting
‘Murica
AccountCreatedToUpvoteDogs
They will keep with this bullshit, knowing it will be contested in court, hoping the 6-3 conservative SCOTUS will overturn Roe v Wade.
cutebytes
You misspelled "What the Actual Fuck"
truzi
Then it’s only fair if you get pregnant to get life insurance for your unborn baby if they’re mandating death certificates. Assholes.
mooserunningwater
It hasn't been passed (and hopefully won't). https://abovethelaw.com/2021/05/pennsylvania-legislators-draft-draconian-abortion-law-urge-ladi
AyrA
Try to fuck the system by writing "-10000" in the quantity section.
DaPPandDaPP
Fuckers voted for Trump. Trump installed the Witch in the SC. GOP is emboldened.
SomeScarfaceGuy
Also fuck whoever downvoted your outrage.
pmmeyourgold
The bill just left committee, hasn't been voted on by the House, and PA governor has already said he'll veto in the unlikely event it passes
LanceHol
The current GOP must be disbanded and the people behind this fascist bullshit banned from any type of leadership or political office!
Imademyselfsquirtle
America at its finest. The lack of humanity is astounding.
revengespooner
Don’t worry. https://www.instagram.com/p/CPTzhGRLFam/?utm_medium=copy_link
unkiereamus
Also, thus far it's only made it out of committee, they might be able to pass a floor vote, but they don't have an override.
vonkeswick
Just perusing his IG, seems like a pretty good dude
Othernate
Do worry - not every state trying this Handmaid's Tale shit has a decent governor. Even more than that - VOTE!
janelPositivityHero
Is this real?
DiamondDogLedTasso
America openly hates everyone who isn't a white Christian man, who drives an oversized truck & owns at least 5 guns
vizualgenuis
As a christian-born, agnostic white man with a mid size truck and one gun, don’t label me a victim.
lionocerous
You're an agnostic christian?
vizualgenuis
I’m agnostic.
lionocerous
1/ But agnostic about what? Theism/Atheism is about belief in a god. Gnosticism/Agnosticism is about knowledge. So one can be a
DiamondDogLedTasso
Fine I'll amend my comment to Christian, with an over size truck, most likely to have 1+ gun, no longer the victim, now the privileged
FuzzyX
I don't even understand why anyone would want a fetal death certificate? Then why should miscarriage go beyond a woman & her doctor?
Heavenissize17socks
https://www.health.pa.gov/topics/certificates/Pages/Fetal-Death.aspx
crodrigues
It's mandatory, and the certificate has a cost. America is capitalism first, everything else, including their own country, is last.
Vercci
If it isn't already, insurance will figure out ways to make and save money with them.
Op19
New Perk: 95% percent coverage for fetal death certificates, only cost you a dollar! (increases rates 25 cents monthly)
Dandoch1080
It's to make women feel shameful about abortions so they won't get them.
ShadyEsperanto
oh we're WELL past that question already.
dusa1981
They shouldn’t be mandatory, but for many people it could be one of the only tangible proof that their child existed and something to hold.
dusa1981
A birth certificate would be better, and many states now have those for stillbirths or miscarriages.
daemonicapathy
I haven't read through the bill yet, but I'm finding claims that it's optional, and allows the fetus to be buried, cremated, etc.
SarahKercz
And they want all the “child’s” information like it’s an actual person
CantWeAllJustGetOolong
This form is typically used by grieving parents who lost a wanted child. The bill is repugnant, but its not this form's fault.
night4345
Cruelty is the whole point.
1Rogue
Maybe for people who don't read further than a social media post; the old law required stillbirth certificates. These are filled by hospital
SupernaturalReactions
TheZommie
now we get to cut out the meddling hospitals, who increase their covid death numbers to make republicans look bad, and force grieving
TheZommie
mothers to fill out paperwork and send the government money? /s
1Rogue
The form above -can- be sent by parents in addition, if they wish to actually receive a copy of the certificate. Name not required.
1Rogue
Literally not how the bill works, hospitals would be filling the above forms, whereas parents had to fill stillbirth certificates before.
P0werSurg3
There's no way this can be legal
afatrollofmyown
They will make it legal. That's what is happening.
AlazkanAssassin
Considering that the image is just a lie, you are right.
mooserunningwater
So glad you posted this. Did a quick interwebs search and saw the bills won't be passed. Fuck, it's terrifying though
P0werSurg3
So it's not a lie, that's the actual form, it just won't be made into law? Is that the situation?
mooserunningwater
That's correct
BatmansUnderPantsAreSoSoft
Why the fuck are we going backwards from where we got to women's rights all of a sudden
Green223
You know how Trump fucked up the Supreme Court? That's why.
IAmAnthonyStark
There are a shocking number of things going backwards. I’m alarmed.
Taxicat
It’s not “all of a sudden.” Backlashes like this always happen, and will continue to happen so long as you have people who benefited >
Taxicat
>from the status quo in some way and thus have a vested interest in maintaining it (or returning to it).
Dastooooo
Don't you guys have some legal court that can stop nonsense like this? I mean, that is just fucked up man..
GlebReawer
It has been a back and forth battle from at least 1772! Long 2-page source in next reply. 1/2
GlebReawer
https://origins.osu.edu/article/commonplace-controversial-different-histories-abortion-europe-and-united-states/page/0/0 2/2
Zincee
Our highest court has a drunken rapist and a crazy conspiracy theorist as judges.
NSFWFolderAccount
Republicans purposefully craft bills to be used across the country in the hopes one of them makes it before the Supreme Court in a lawsuit
TorilTheBlacksmithsApprentice
They also use them to keep organizations like the ACLU busy, hoping that they'll run out of money and not sue Republican overreach any more.
SirSmurfalot
It has been stacked with assholes, I mean Republicans. In direct opposition to the founding fathers goal of having an independent judiciary.
LeopoldButtersStotc
Yep. Legislators pass laws and if someone is wrong by the law, they can sue and the courts then can determine if the law is unconstitutional
cptcr
yeah it won't get past the courts, but any fucktard asshole elected cuntrag can write a bullshit law
pmmeyourgold
The bill just left committee, hasn't been voted on by the House, and PA governor has already said he'll veto in the unlikely event it passes
mageoflime
Even when that court hasn't been hijacked by the crazies, it still only undoes things, it literally can't do anything until after.
TheOldSchoolisBack
Assuming it passes the full legislature, it won’t survive the Governor’s veto.
Ispentthelastfewyearsbuildingupanimmunitytoiocanepowder
The courts here do nothing here but perpetuate laywers.
BeaglesLoveBlueberries
Texas passed this same law (more or less) in 2017. It got struck down by a state court. Hopefully the PA law will have the same fate.
disabledwerewolf
Yes, but now that US Supreme Court has 6-3 conservative lean, many state legislature (majority of which are Republican controlled) are //
TunnelRat13
Even though that is true, the Supreme Court are not yes men. There is a very good chance this could fail if set before them.
disabledwerewolf
See the rest of my comments on this. Didn't say anything about them being Yes men. Talking about why this is happening now.
abidikgubidik
Conservative lean is a bit of an understatement for foreigners. More like 6-3 religious extremists
disabledwerewolf
Agreed. But didn't want to put my own bias into an explanation for someone not as familiar with US politics / courts.
disabledwerewolf
** too much of my own bias at least heh.
disabledwerewolf
// advancing all kinds of nonsense bills. Almost all will be challenged in court, but the hope likely is that some of the whittle away //
disabledwerewolf
// existing protections for Abortion rights as cases get up to the Supreme Court level.
pmmeyourgold
You should look up thejr actual voting records. Gorusch is actually pretty reasonable.
disabledwerewolf
I didn't claim to say what the Supreme Court is going to do. Just what all the legislatures hope they'll do. I think Gorusch and even //
klausasaurus
Non Twitter source, plz?
imacellist
https://www.legis.state.pa.us/CFDOCS/Legis/PN/Public/btCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&sessYr=2021&sessInd=0&billBody=H&billTyp=B&billNbr=0118&pn=0086
armedandfriendly
Reading it, its not a fine its a fee (with a strange waiver). Its a standard fee for a death certificate, just a power play for pro lifers.
Green223
They also passed a heartbeat bill and banned aborting a fetus diagnosed with downs syndrome on the same day.
Green223
It's getting vetoed so it's political theater, but it's still disgusting.
CantWeAllJustGetOolong
Fees are something you pay for admission to get something worthwhile in return.Fines are punishment for doing something wrong.
CantWeAllJustGetOolong
So to people who are not mourning the loss of a wanted child, it would be feel like a fine.
armedandfriendly
Yes, you are paying for the certificate. Its the same fee as a regular death certificate.
CantWeAllJustGetOolong
A death certificate for a born person is often required for many things, making it worthwhile.
CantWeAllJustGetOolong
While they should be available for the unborn, they should not be required.
kantaloupe
"Must be 18 years of age or older."
PhunPhact
This is so they can argue against abortion and grift.
WoodyGoodman
I read that as "...abortion as a gift" and was slightly confused
opi098514
That’s actually because this is considered a contract and minors can’t legally enter into a contract.
Userlivewire
“Yet” - Republicans
AHussarsLance
Legally speaking, I get it. Morally, it's abhorrent.
colfish
DarkZalgo
Yes they can, it's just nullable at the discretion of the minor.
opi098514
Well technically, but neither party have any requirement to fulfill their end of it.
jpparkenbone
...but they can be pregnant and miscarry. So....
justhereforthemimes
I think someone else has to fill it out for them
erischilde
A parent for example. That's going to go well. Holy fuck. It's awful.
opi098514
Yes. It just has to be filled out by a guardian or they have to be Emancipated.
Taxicat
So if they’re the victim of rape, incest, or their parents will seriously harm them if they find out they were pregnant…
opi098514
This has nothing to do with the the miscarriage law. Any contract entered into with a minor is null and void. That’s a federal law.
SecretAgentSuperBooger
TheAngryMarineBiologist
At this point Gilead isn't just a plausible future, it's the intended goal of the Republican party
Cartoones
Show name?
SecretAgentSuperBooger
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Handmaid%27s_Tale_(TV_series)
PeeterGrant
United States of America: A Glimpse of the Future - this Fall on Hulu.
Totallyscrewedinaustin
The Handmaids Tale. The book is good too, in a fucked up dystopian way
AdoroDesserts
The book is absolute garbage compared to the show
SealandIsARealCountry
DO NOT WATCH THIS SHOW IF YOUR HARD LIMIT IS RAPE, TORTURE, OR VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN. Other than that the show is incredible and I-
SealandIsARealCountry
Greatly recommend it.
RaqNasty
It’s a hard topic to stomach but if you can get past it, it’s by far one of the best shows I’ve ever seen, ever.
Cartoones
I like stomaching hard things ;)
IIikethecutofyourjib
REALLY wish she would see the similarities between the show she's acting in and Scientology....
MrRandom314159
If she's benefiting from it (she is a celebrity), it might be that she already knows.
IxakaFordPrefect
She’s a Scientologist?!
SecretAgentSuperBooger
Bigtime. https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/celebs/a19677190/elisabeth-moss-scientology/
SavienKennedy
FUCK
IxakaFordPrefect
Goddamit! Ugh
shopCSNtv
Nooooooo
jpparkenbone
Oh, that's shameful.
MeatPopsicleMultiPass
NateOfAmericans
Godammit I really like that show.
IIikethecutofyourjib
Dude, enjoy it. She's brainwashed. It is what it is. Like, people still Catholic and Jehovah's Witness and shit ya know?
FlowerPanda
I tried to watch this show and could only get like 6 ep in. Good show but horrifying because I could see it becoming a reality in some ways
DoctorSniffles
I think the writer explicitly wrote using only plausible events i.e. events that have occurred at some point somewhere in the world.
ministryofpeace
That's the most terrifying bit. Put the current GOP in power for a couple terms and add a fertility crisis and bam
tootsie87
The most terrifying part of that show is how plausible each little step seemed
Taxicat
Given the amount of Op-Eds I’ve seen whinging about “dropping birth rates (esp. amongst whites)” and the news that Covid negatively >
Taxicat
>affects the testicles and placental barriers…and the fact that the fascists are happily letting it continue to spread and >
Soufange
I'm next to the border, just makin a straight run for Canada.
Taxicat
Bold of you to assume Canada would let any of us in…