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FarquarRedrum
https://youtu.be/KUhAXG0_WNU
IrrationalHate
Oldest and Fatherless.
nrkst
Ah, the eldest.
newold
Hey dol! merry dol!
killersoda275
Oh Tom Bombadil ring a dong dillo. Ring a ding hop along fal lal the willow. Tom Bom jolly Tom Tom Bombadillo.
youhavetobeoddtobenumberone
Goldberry is waiting!
sarcasticgrape
Tim bombadil!! I just finished reading the fellowship and omg it's amazing
moniemonster12
Seriously why was Tom not in the movies?! The fact that the Ring had no power over him was bewildering
LordCommanderTomSnow
Because his chapter is a waste of time and doesn't further the plot.
TimothyTRiG
It's not all about plot. He embodies an important message. But the films were fairly meh on those terms anyway.
ItsAGameOfSchlongs
The elves's story is the best, but its so damn sad to get through
goralia33210
BidonDhuile
BEMO NOOOO!
pooka2
He's so old pixels weren't invented yet
tuevon
[chuckles low-resolutionally]
lurker0001
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Namotatop
*one singular clap* merry christmas grans.
FlumboMcglumbo
TheManSpider
lolive246
(Giggles in dial-up)
kibouchi
PO-TA-TOES! Boil 'em, mash 'em, stick 'em in a stew!
BlackElkSpeaks
ElbowDeepInMythicalCreatures
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modsm20
Krimzonbear
Marvelous
TheFormerSocialistFederalRepublicOfYugoslavia
Well that's just mortifying.
ThisIsntActuallyOneOfThosePosts
Perfect
Sephiyevon
I just lold in an empty store. My boss watches the cameras. I'ma look crazy.
MiaklWalker
Ulthirm
Yeah but he was a fallen servant of the creator of the world. He is disqualified because divine beings dont seem to age.
Gladius82
Tom Bom, jolly Tom, Tom Bombadillo!
Outlavv
Cant believe tom morello wasnt in the lotr films
UhhhhhNick
Im confused as to why a musician would be in lotr
TheInternetShouldHaveAClosingTimeSoICouldSleep
CaptainStevenRogers
If it went to real footage of a finger pressing a key would make this perfect
dweadpiewitwobbits
lol reminds me of most cop shows.
ElaineTheNPC
I love how the tech is usually typing some shit when controlling a PC. Not clicking, not scrolling, not ctrl+something. Typing.
Thalarctos
Not saying any of that shit looks even remotely real, but as someone who works in IT, you'd be referencing a CLI, which is generally>
>understood to be far more powerful than any graphical user interface. Most of the really important stuff gets done by people typing.
I know right? I paid attention once, they typed "cmKLVKLSCJ439;HJJAWJEVMncawewfevnvrawelvj4;;pjif4vlsejFJ3".
pyrrhlis
I wish I had talent with dialogue and characters. Than I would make a firm-science TV show and every detail would be completely logical.
DownvotesAreFun
My thoughts too! I hate it when accurate details and processes are sacrified for the plot. Like movie heroes never running out of bullets.
jdavis1186
"Eldest, that's what I am... Tom remembers the first raindrop and the first acorn..." https://youtu.be/CxyYvHkmyxA
IUpvoteForFood
So, how old is this god like being?!
DominicTheShark
Yes.
I see
mynameiselliott
Tom Bombadil is a merry old fellow, blue are his balls and his pubes once were yellow. His wife is so hot, and as fuck he is old...
...when willow he fought, willow did as was told.
crentist17
"I've got the number for Old Man Willow, bright blue my jacket is and my boots are yellow"
Pootah
I had some LOTR: Two Towers Top Trumps cards when I was a kid that claimed Legolas was about 700 years older than Elrond.
2flower
Gandalf has been there since before the world was made, helping create it. If I am not mistaken.
Aerolfoz
He isn't mentioned to have created the world in any direct sense, but is a Maiar, one of the original spirits which existed before the world
ninjaoftheworld
Ho Tom Bombadil!
"Hey! Have you seen my cousin Tim Benzedrine?"
kiwiflavored
Bring a long dildo! Bring a dong! Hop along!
And people wonder why Tom didn't make it into the movies...
Cowfister
Tom Bombadil is, who Tom Bombadil is, because only Tom Bombadil can be, Tom Bombadil!
WitnessedSomeTimeAgo
Hey come merry dol! Derry dol my darling! Light goes the weather wind, and the feathered starling!
Thatsagoodbid
Tom Bombadillo! By water, wood and hill, by the reed and willow, By fire, sun and moon, harken now and hear us!
SigynRose
I always sang his songs in my head to the super Mario bothers theme
Old Tom Bombadil is a merry fellow, Bright blue his jacket is, and his boots are yellow.
DeputyChiefJudgeFish
Ringading ding dillo! Toms songs are stronger songs for Tom he is e Master!
OSCgal
Come Tom Bombadil for our need is near us!
IdRatherBeInSeattle
I don't understand any of the context, but I bet this is pretty funny to someone. Meh, I'm drunk. I'm spreading upvotes.
JimmySmits
Patrick Rothfuss wrote a deathmatch type fan fic between and one of the characters from his Kingkiller Chronicles books. Pure fan service.
*Between Tom and one of the characters etc etc
http://www.unboundworlds.com/cage-match-2017/cage-match-2017-round-4-tom-bombadil-vs-devi/
demergivore
https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/50367/who-or-what-is-the-oldest-sentient-being-in-tolkiens-lore
MuFugginFudge
Gandalf and Sauron are just as old though. And Tom beats them all.
WhatFuckingNameIsntTaken
Tom finally making an appearance!
soulman901
Player 6 has entered the game
HideyoWifeHideyoKids
Tom muthafuckin Bombadil
zerodowned
http://www.funnyjunk.com/Tom+muthafucking+bombadil/funny-pictures/4987834/
AbyssinianRem
I love the reference in Adventure Time. True to his character.
ColBigBoss
Holy shit, was Magic Man a reference to Tom Bombadil? Must've been the lack of beard.
Treblaine
I just want one deleted scene with Tom Bombadil, where all he does is sneak into the editing studio and steals all the shots he was in.
governmentgavemeagun
Tom could break the fourth wall.
ThatDeadGuyFromGameOfThrones
I have a theory about tom. I think it's Tolkien writing himself into the book. Think about. Guy seems to know everything. Has 1/2
A beautiful wife. And seems to have control over the world, but doesn't seem to us it a lot. Almost like a retired God.
Is that what Tom has been up to this whole time? Gotta say, that's some impressive endurance
SteakForPresident
I will forever hate Peter Jackson for leaving Tom out
Trollingstoned
As others have said, it's far better to leave him out. In fact, he didn't even fit in the books. He trivializes the whole quest.
You trivialized the whole quest!
override367
he doesnt work for a movie, if it was a series you could do him, but in movie form? it completely fucks up the pacing
SilentScreamsX
Yeah, I really regret missing out on all that nothing that happened with him. The movies didn't have enough meaningless filler! /sarcasm
iforgotwhatiwasdoinghere
The thing with Tom and the Barrows was easily bypassed by Stryder giving the Hobbits swords. Bombadil is awesome, but he's bigger than LotR.
Thats a good point.
Individualsocksinthewashingmachine
His part of the story is kinda pointless in terms of plot development. I can see why he was left out
Rengii
Tom would never have translated well on to the big screen.
IronBeagle44
Just gone come right out and say, Tom Bombadil fucking sucked.
RamAssScratcher
I'd agree but then we'd both be wrong. But a fun character does not equal a good character.
CameForNatalieDormer
I still cite him as the reason I struggled through Fellowship. He just feels so out of place and derails the main story.
DarthSedition
I mean, the baggins family tree derails the main story
malakim
He is interesting in regards to lore but yeah, the whole episode was just "wtf, why?"
awesomekev408
Ok, didn't read the backs, who is Tom?
Misora
Tom is a god/immortal vs the simply long lived elves. The ring doesn't affect him proving the elves are part of the mortal races.
Thus yes making the quest to destroy the ring and fight Sauron part of their problem and responsibility.
LvAllen
Old Tom Bombadil is a merry fellow. Bright blue his jacket is, and his boots are yellow. None has ever caught him yet, for
Tom, he is the master. His songs are stronger songs, and his feet are faster.
God dammit I meant books but I'm leaving that.
preaction
I thought you were like making up new slang for Paperbacks! Like "Y'all got them backs?"
AndersCalrissian
He is an incarnation of Ilúvatar I believe.
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
I've also heard the theory that he is Aulë, the crafter Valar.
FindusSomKatten
he is ancient, the spirit of the the land i think
Matkingos
Tolkien's self-insert OC
owlest
some godlike character with no explanation
godofpencilshavings
Indicative that he is the true God of that universe
guruflattius
Tom > ilúvatar
relicen
Theories without any proof.
iputthefiresout
From a film making perspective it makes perfect sense. He doesn't really advance the plot overall and his existence raises to many questions
Blasphemy!
DarkUranium
Come on guys, you can't downvote a comment made in jest.
TheSuperJay
Right, exactly this. I loved the books for years before the movies, but anyone could see that the novels would need to be edited for film.
So since something has to go, Tom makes sense - he can be removed without damaging narrative structure and his inclusion does confuse things
ViolentVibrator
He's a Deus ex Machina. He didn't have a place for the casual movie goer
More like "Do's what he wanna", amIrite? Rite? ... I'll show myself out.
You mean like the eagles!
No, his parts are a big-lipped alligator moment.
bigbbman
Like having Legolas in the Hobbit...
Not really, he's from Mirkwood. It doesn't make sense to have him look for the ranger Aragorn, as he was a child in Rivendel at the time.
legolas is a fan favorite though and draws customers. Tom is just "lolsorandum"
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MyWeeLadGimli
That at least makes some sense, considering they go to Legolas' home and his father plays a major role in the story.
TitanJedi
Legolas was the son of the king in the Hobbit. He was never mentioned in the book because he wasnt created yet but it makes sense to add him
ElPoloDiablo
As a cameo, maybe, but not as a major plot character.
kainreborn
Typical mmo, inflating the numbers until it's all nonsense.
TheBroble
What?
HD226868
P O W E R C R E E P
FoxLovesCats
Can someone explain Tom for my friend?
BardicLasher
Nobody can really explain Tom.
He's like Tim Benzedrine only not satire.
ControlledIsMyEnthusiasm
I'm not his friend, but would love an info too
ToasterDent
I'm not your friend, guy, but would also love an info too
We all are not friends here, but we want infos
FallingStar7669
There are a lot of theories, but Tolkien never committed to what Tom really is, so the fact is, we don't know. He simply Is.
mrcynic
My honest opinion is that he's an anomaly due to Tolkien's revision processes. Tom Bombadil as a character predated LotR for Tolkien, and//
I think he wanted to include him and just threw him in with some sort of pseudo-lore.
He probably didn't have any sort of secret importance or identity, Tolkien probably didn't have any idea for him. He was just there for fun.
tooomanysteves
Practically a god.
But he is indifferent to the wars of elves and mortals.
WilliamKeith
Probably the oldest person in Middle-Earth. Tolkien said he was intended to be a mystery, so probably not even any authorial intent.
Leithreas
Tom is in the first book. He is basically Middle Earth personified. The ring didn't affect him at all.
Well he's a small section of Middle Earth personified.
StragoMagus
May have existed before the first existing beings, known by those with power & knowledge, but seemingly not interested in their activities/1
Has a degree of power over supernatural beings, & the One Ring has no power over him, and he is able to see one who is wearing the ring /2
Origins unknown, but he existed in Middle earth before Melkor (Sauron's boss) got there. He may never have died; he may be immortal /3
OrnamentalTurtle
Some also speculate that he may actually have been Eru Ilúvatar.../shrug as others have stated no one really knows for sure.
McDondo
I read somewhere along the way that he was supposed to be Aulë, and his wife, Goldberry, was Yavanna. My Tolkien-fu is weak, though
AnonKneeMoose
That wouldn't work as he had names in the FA separate from Aule/Yavanna. Plus, stated he's older than any valar.
Plus, Aulë would have had dominion over more areas than just one. Ditto Eru. I used to know other reasons he wasn't Eru but have forgotten.
NotaMormonbutlookslikeone
As a sci-Fi fan that appreciates but doesn't enjoy fantasy too much, anyone care to elaborate?
TheresAGermanWordForThat
Surprisingly for a book written by an Oxbridge professor, old males are the best people ever.
laiskamato
Did you just assum- you know what? Fuck this meme.
LychFinderGeneral
Tom Bombadil is theorized to be Tolkien, Middle Earth itself personified, or God, usually.
Glorfindel calls Bombadil "the first," implying that he's the oldest intelligent creature, possibly the oldest creature, in Middle-Earth.
Thevoiceinmyhead
Bitches be older than dirt.
MegaZeus101
Beating out what everyone else is saying Tom was around when the universe was sang into creation, before God made mini Gods and their angels
It's most likely he's supposed to represent Tolkien himself.
RandomClawPictureOnceInAWhile
He originaly was a character for an earlyer Tolkien work made for his children.Then he just put him in LotR. So he has nothing to do with it
Satsuz
This is the one of the few things we can factually say about Bombadil, yeah. He was a cameo, or an in-joke for his kids (for whom he -cont.
also wrote The Hobbit).
Dantethebald
Tom Bombadil was one of the best unanswered mysteries of his work and is a point of great intrigue!
mutingisforcowardsandsycophants
juststopandthink
Tom Bombadil, the last picture, was basically a cross-over from something else JRR wrote. It'd be like sticking Deadpool into Shawshank. 1/2
Hilarious, but you'll ruin the story if he affects more than someone's lunch choices. Also I know those two things don't have the same maker
'bout to say, I'd watch the HELL out of that.
Tom puts the ring on at one point. Frodo freaks out but nothing happens and he takes it off. No one knows who Tom was supposed to be.
BatmanAndCradleRobin
I still think hes a manifestation of Eru Iluvatar, because of the power and utter lack of care for anyone and anything in the world
I don't care if Tolkien said he wasnt, he never gave any evidence that he could be anything else.
jestor114
I am pretty sure he is aule father of drawers and god of the smith, google the connection it’s pretty strong I feel
Lamaman
I guess you can compare him to Ungoliant. She's pure evil, while he is purely good. They just 'are'...
MegaDeuce
I read he was supposed to be Tolkien himself.
KPopGirlKimi
That's pretty cool
IWishIWereNotAllergicToCats
I'm pretty sure there's nothing which really substantiates that at all, but I'd be very interested if you could prove me wrong!
Well when the hobbits first come in, he has some scattered pages on the arm of his chair. Pippin catches a glimpse of one of the pages which
reads "A long expected party" at the top. Then Tom sees him and hastily gathers up the pages and gives him a stern look.
sombrerohorsewagon
That seems Dark Towerish
Nah, Tolkien is Beren.
He does seem to be some sort of author avatar.
What gives you that idea? He doesn't seem that way at all to me.
lifeinabathtub
Is he a "Mother Earth " type persona?
DaedelusMuse
He's thought to be an angel.
Justiceforbradswife
That's what I got out of it but... I am certainly not a lot expert just a fan of it
Possibly; there's a lot of speculation. We know Tom is effectively older than all the races of Arda (he predated their arrival), and it's...
...fairly clear he's not Maia (the 'divine' race that Gandalf and Sauron belong to) or Vala (the 'gods') nor Eru Iluvatar (the Creator).
FoxPesdassi
Tolkien's overarching book "The Silmarillion" describes how Arda (the world) was designed out of music--some of the singers then entered 1/?
into that music and gave it physical form. Bombadil may have been the first of the Ainur to enter Arda, or maybe the original music was 2/?
sung *around* him. Either way, the fact that he works his magic through song is very relevant--he's essentially manipulating the laws of 3/?
Important clue, he describes a world with no evil, a time when the Enemy was still "outside". That would be Melkor, one of the Ainur.
So clearly he existed before the Ainur came to Arda.
physics, in a world based on music. And this is a lousy depiction of him.
Daloth
Tom Bombadil is only in the books and is a walking Deus Ex Machina for the short time he's there basically.
BraveUsersubNewestPatrol
And AND he has a smoking hot wife!
He's not really DeM, though; he doesn't resolve anything crucial and he isn't used as a fallback when the writer is out of other options.
Eh, he saves them pwith no explanation of his powers, and they even mention "He would easily take the ring, just, he might forget about it"
supersomatic
The entire Lord of the Rings is nothing but deus ex machina. We're losing the most important battle?! GHOST SHIP MUFAKA!
Eh you could argue for that being some form of chekovs gun, since there is some setup for it. But, not quite enough.
TheJazzGhost
It's not a deus ex machina if you devote time and character action to the solution.
I think its more to do with time/effort ratios. The final battle built up over a good 4 hours. Of which total the ghosts were 8 minutes
otherwise one could preface every major battle with "I hope X saves us", and then X pitches up at the end
I'm dumb, what is Deus Ex Machina?
FckyourselfSarah
It's something that can either do exactly what's needed to save the day, or it can just wave it's hand and makes things better.
It's generally a sign of a really bad writer.
Inmate45
A plot device that doesn't fit the narrative. Means "God from the machine" - they used to wrap up roman plays by bringing in gods to 1/2
2/2 just fix everything so they didn't have to come up with an ending.
Fheuef
Isn't it "Gods out of the machine" ? I'm pretty sure Ex means out...
sunsetclimber
Usually I think it's translated as "God By Machine" but that's basically just nuance, the phrase means something in literature.
ChaoticScholar
Much how Stephen King ends most of his books. Comes up with an amazing story with great character development then runs out of steam
Sommelo
I've been saying this to people recommending me Stephen King books. I'm not falling for his unsatisfying literary trap again.
PeregrinFalconPunch
Tom Bombadil saw the first acorn and the first leaf fall. The books never say his age. Treebeard is the oldest being in Middle Earth.
unknownSubscriber
Did the books explain how powerful he was? If not, why does everyone assume he's powerful?
Janusha
Because anything that have survived through the ages must pr definition be rather old.
-Rather powerful.
He rescues the hobbits from an evil tree and from the Wights of the Barrow-downs; within his own 'borders,' Tom is shown to be powerful.
IMadeAnAccountForThisFuckingSobStory
he picks up the one ring and puts it on but it does nothing to him. in his hands it has no power. this makes him stronger than sauron.
Even Gandalf mentions how the One Ring would be too much for him, and lead to a reign of terror. Gandalf is a Maiar, basically an angel.
Sauron is one too, if a fallen one. That puts Bombadil right under the God of the universe, if they aren't one and the same.
JordD04
Gandalf, the other Istari, Sauron, and the Balrog are the oldest. They predate the creation of the planet.
They are certainly among the oldest, but Tom Bombadil mentions existing while the Enemy was still "outside", which also predates the planet.
But Tom Bombadil also saw the darkness under the stars, when there was no evil, for the Enemy was still "outside".
The Enemy would have to be Melkor, one of the Valar, which means he existed before the world was created and the Valar descended to it...
zedd
No, Treebeard says he's the oldest. Tolkien says that Treebeard doesn't know everything.
Balrogs would be amongst the first beings too.
But Tom Bombabdil is probably not 'alive' in the normal sense. He just is.
BakaKagaku
When Frodo asked Tom's wife who Tom was, she said something along the lines of "He is."
PhilMcrevice
Probably Tolkiens way of showing Eru Illuvatar, God, as an entity on middle earth. He never used his full powers, just like the maia Gandalf
Drathe
The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien; Letter 153. Tolkien himself explicitly said Tom is not Eru Ilúvatar
emmalilly
Oh man that sounds like some C.S. Lewis feud shit
Tolkien was trolling in his letter, he always wanted to keep Tom a mystery in real life too and have the reader determine his nature.
But, Eru Illuvatar IS everything, so yea, he is also Tom.
He also states Tom isn't important to the narrative, so his Deus Ex machina moments saving the main characters isn't important?
beorn080
No. As it was simply a side track. If you exclude the whole bit between the tree and tom, nothing changes in the plot
hammersquirrel
Nah, why would he not understand the ring if he were Iluvatar? And then cause Gollum to trip at Mt. Doom?
Like God, the Lord works in mysterious ways.
Unlike Tom, Iluvatar is more of a conductor than a musician if you catch my drift
Tom doesn't say he doesn't understand the Ring. Just that he doesn't care, and treats it like a toy. What you might expect from a God
The Council of Elrond says that he doesn't - but again we know Illuvatar caused Gollum to fall with the ring, so Illuvatar certainly cares
that is above the powers of the world.
tangmen
Forever disappointed Tom never got into the movies
Zerberus
To make the movies even longer? No thx
Wyzerus
seanwlkn
DVSBSTrD
Well who else could've fit the role besides Andre the Giant?
SoftwareEngineersRuleTheWorld
This
HyperA
Could you imagine the people who talk about the eagles if Tom was in the movie?
Them: REEEEEEEE
NotEvenAlittleBit
I think they had some scenes they ended up cutting out.
LamePotato
A voice both as young and ancient as springtime.
Molvanian
It's for the best, really.
Pegussu
Unpopular opinion: I fucking hate Tom Bombadil and skip his chapters whenever I read the book.
SirButcher
Really? It was my favorite part in the book. I so excepted some horror when he first popped up. I still feel strange fear from that part
LapisScarab
It literally only would have worked if Colbert had played him, so I'm glad they didn't bother.
matthewcw07
Im more upset about the scouring of the Shire not being included
PancakeLegend
Coming Christmas 2019, 2020, 2021... the Tom Bombadil trilogy. It's just a guy fucking gardening for 11 hours.
Like Bob Ross painting. "There are no weeds. This is edible, this can be mashed for dye, and this? This is a potent hallucinogen!"
causality
Not even Tolkien claimed to understand how Tom was supposed to fit in the creation story of LotR.
icookfoodandfightfire
didnt he have like a total of half a chapter that even just mentioned him in the books?
mebe21
It was more than that. It was long, and neat, but it didn't add a ton to the overall story imo. The little that was, they just changed.
Bstone1
The only thing he adds to the story is how they got their swords, which was only really relevant for Merry stabbing the Witch King.
TheN8
It was like one of those pointless quests at the start of an RPG where you go talk to this weird old man for hours but learn nothing of use.
Willybum84
Share the load.
whosagoodboy92
crayolacrepes
Carry it for a while..while
CowboyZ
Including Tom would have been a 15 minute scene in a 12 hour epic story that added nothing to the story but an unexplained plot point.
Justsomedude223
I mean for all intents and purposes for all I know about Tom he IS still an unexplained plot point even in the books all in all.
ICantThinkOfAU
It'd explain how they got the barrow-blades, but that's literally all it'd contribute. Plus he would've been awful on film, pacing'd be off
DerangedMoosh
I am not disappointed, because I know if they had put him in the movies it would have been disappointing.
That's very likely the truth. Still my favourite bit of the fellowship to read though!
It would have been Jar Jar Binks levels of disappointing
nasreal
1 Not to mention that everything we know about Tom suggests that he's essentially a god, perhaps the God of that universe. As @StragoMagus
2 pointed out, Tom's existense predates Melkor who was Sauron's predecessor and basically Satan/Lucifer. He brings way too much in the way..
3 of plot holes to the story, even in the books, in movie form it would have been worse. The one ring has no power over him, which even...
4 Gandalf and the elves cannot say. He basically seems like a God who simply refuses to intervene on mortal affairs.
MrWoodchip
I dunno, I think Brian Blessed could've done him justice.
dhaskjdhawyajhdbsdbgwakjhbdnmcckclkklkl
Can you imagine the shitty romance story they'd invent for Tom?
Oh... oh no. I mean, dude wanted to be left alone to bang the river's daughter and smoke his pipe. That's it. Why fuck with that?
Kaysmira
Someone mentioned in another comment, can you imagine what the people who whine about not taking the eagles would do with Tom?
mrchambers
But aren't you glad big fat (at the time) bearded peter Jackson didn't make that role for himself?
Oh god I can imagine it and it's not good
Right? Dont get me wrong I like how he snuck in as the background characters... but who would really fit Tom like the others fit their rolls
Piefromhell
rodney dangerfield.
ErinOakling
Robin Williams
True...would be very hard to nail but I just adore the character!
FarquarRedrum
https://youtu.be/KUhAXG0_WNU
IrrationalHate
Oldest and Fatherless.
nrkst
Ah, the eldest.
newold
Hey dol! merry dol!
killersoda275
Oh Tom Bombadil ring a dong dillo. Ring a ding hop along fal lal the willow. Tom Bom jolly Tom Tom Bombadillo.
youhavetobeoddtobenumberone
Goldberry is waiting!
sarcasticgrape
Tim bombadil!! I just finished reading the fellowship and omg it's amazing
moniemonster12
Seriously why was Tom not in the movies?! The fact that the Ring had no power over him was bewildering
LordCommanderTomSnow
Because his chapter is a waste of time and doesn't further the plot.
TimothyTRiG
It's not all about plot. He embodies an important message. But the films were fairly meh on those terms anyway.
ItsAGameOfSchlongs
The elves's story is the best, but its so damn sad to get through
goralia33210
BidonDhuile
BEMO NOOOO!
pooka2
He's so old pixels weren't invented yet
tuevon
[chuckles low-resolutionally]
lurker0001
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Namotatop
*one singular clap* merry christmas grans.
FlumboMcglumbo
TheManSpider
lolive246
(Giggles in dial-up)
kibouchi
PO-TA-TOES! Boil 'em, mash 'em, stick 'em in a stew!
BlackElkSpeaks
ElbowDeepInMythicalCreatures
.
BlackElkSpeaks
?
modsm20
Krimzonbear
Marvelous
TheFormerSocialistFederalRepublicOfYugoslavia
Well that's just mortifying.
ThisIsntActuallyOneOfThosePosts
Perfect
Sephiyevon
I just lold in an empty store. My boss watches the cameras. I'ma look crazy.
MiaklWalker
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Ulthirm
Yeah but he was a fallen servant of the creator of the world. He is disqualified because divine beings dont seem to age.
Gladius82
Tom Bom, jolly Tom, Tom Bombadillo!
Outlavv
Cant believe tom morello wasnt in the lotr films
UhhhhhNick
Im confused as to why a musician would be in lotr
TheInternetShouldHaveAClosingTimeSoICouldSleep
CaptainStevenRogers
If it went to real footage of a finger pressing a key would make this perfect
dweadpiewitwobbits
lol reminds me of most cop shows.
ElaineTheNPC
I love how the tech is usually typing some shit when controlling a PC. Not clicking, not scrolling, not ctrl+something. Typing.
Thalarctos
Not saying any of that shit looks even remotely real, but as someone who works in IT, you'd be referencing a CLI, which is generally>
Thalarctos
>understood to be far more powerful than any graphical user interface. Most of the really important stuff gets done by people typing.
dweadpiewitwobbits
I know right? I paid attention once, they typed "cmKLVKLSCJ439;HJJAWJEVMncawewfevnvrawelvj4;;pjif4vlsejFJ3".
pyrrhlis
I wish I had talent with dialogue and characters. Than I would make a firm-science TV show and every detail would be completely logical.
DownvotesAreFun
My thoughts too! I hate it when accurate details and processes are sacrified for the plot. Like movie heroes never running out of bullets.
jdavis1186
"Eldest, that's what I am... Tom remembers the first raindrop and the first acorn..." https://youtu.be/CxyYvHkmyxA
IUpvoteForFood
So, how old is this god like being?!
DominicTheShark
Yes.
IUpvoteForFood
I see
mynameiselliott
Tom Bombadil is a merry old fellow, blue are his balls and his pubes once were yellow. His wife is so hot, and as fuck he is old...
mynameiselliott
...when willow he fought, willow did as was told.
crentist17
"I've got the number for Old Man Willow, bright blue my jacket is and my boots are yellow"
Pootah
I had some LOTR: Two Towers Top Trumps cards when I was a kid that claimed Legolas was about 700 years older than Elrond.
2flower
Gandalf has been there since before the world was made, helping create it. If I am not mistaken.
Aerolfoz
He isn't mentioned to have created the world in any direct sense, but is a Maiar, one of the original spirits which existed before the world
ninjaoftheworld
Ho Tom Bombadil!
dweadpiewitwobbits
"Hey! Have you seen my cousin Tim Benzedrine?"
kiwiflavored
Bring a long dildo! Bring a dong! Hop along!
kiwiflavored
And people wonder why Tom didn't make it into the movies...
Cowfister
Tom Bombadil is, who Tom Bombadil is, because only Tom Bombadil can be, Tom Bombadil!
WitnessedSomeTimeAgo
Hey come merry dol! Derry dol my darling! Light goes the weather wind, and the feathered starling!
Thatsagoodbid
Tom Bombadillo! By water, wood and hill, by the reed and willow, By fire, sun and moon, harken now and hear us!
SigynRose
I always sang his songs in my head to the super Mario bothers theme
modsm20
Thatsagoodbid
Old Tom Bombadil is a merry fellow, Bright blue his jacket is, and his boots are yellow.
DeputyChiefJudgeFish
Ringading ding dillo! Toms songs are stronger songs for Tom he is e Master!
OSCgal
Come Tom Bombadil for our need is near us!
IdRatherBeInSeattle
I don't understand any of the context, but I bet this is pretty funny to someone. Meh, I'm drunk. I'm spreading upvotes.
JimmySmits
Patrick Rothfuss wrote a deathmatch type fan fic between and one of the characters from his Kingkiller Chronicles books. Pure fan service.
JimmySmits
*Between Tom and one of the characters etc etc
JimmySmits
http://www.unboundworlds.com/cage-match-2017/cage-match-2017-round-4-tom-bombadil-vs-devi/
demergivore
demergivore
https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/50367/who-or-what-is-the-oldest-sentient-being-in-tolkiens-lore
MuFugginFudge
Aerolfoz
Gandalf and Sauron are just as old though. And Tom beats them all.
WhatFuckingNameIsntTaken
Tom finally making an appearance!
soulman901
Player 6 has entered the game
HideyoWifeHideyoKids
Tom muthafuckin Bombadil
zerodowned
http://www.funnyjunk.com/Tom+muthafucking+bombadil/funny-pictures/4987834/
AbyssinianRem
ColBigBoss
Holy shit, was Magic Man a reference to Tom Bombadil? Must've been the lack of beard.
Treblaine
I just want one deleted scene with Tom Bombadil, where all he does is sneak into the editing studio and steals all the shots he was in.
governmentgavemeagun
Tom could break the fourth wall.
ThatDeadGuyFromGameOfThrones
I have a theory about tom. I think it's Tolkien writing himself into the book. Think about. Guy seems to know everything. Has 1/2
ThatDeadGuyFromGameOfThrones
A beautiful wife. And seems to have control over the world, but doesn't seem to us it a lot. Almost like a retired God.
modsm20
WhatFuckingNameIsntTaken
Is that what Tom has been up to this whole time? Gotta say, that's some impressive endurance
SteakForPresident
I will forever hate Peter Jackson for leaving Tom out
Trollingstoned
As others have said, it's far better to leave him out. In fact, he didn't even fit in the books. He trivializes the whole quest.
SteakForPresident
You trivialized the whole quest!
override367
he doesnt work for a movie, if it was a series you could do him, but in movie form? it completely fucks up the pacing
SilentScreamsX
Yeah, I really regret missing out on all that nothing that happened with him. The movies didn't have enough meaningless filler! /sarcasm
iforgotwhatiwasdoinghere
The thing with Tom and the Barrows was easily bypassed by Stryder giving the Hobbits swords. Bombadil is awesome, but he's bigger than LotR.
SteakForPresident
Thats a good point.
Individualsocksinthewashingmachine
His part of the story is kinda pointless in terms of plot development. I can see why he was left out
Rengii
Tom would never have translated well on to the big screen.
IronBeagle44
Just gone come right out and say, Tom Bombadil fucking sucked.
RamAssScratcher
I'd agree but then we'd both be wrong. But a fun character does not equal a good character.
CameForNatalieDormer
I still cite him as the reason I struggled through Fellowship. He just feels so out of place and derails the main story.
DarthSedition
I mean, the baggins family tree derails the main story
malakim
He is interesting in regards to lore but yeah, the whole episode was just "wtf, why?"
awesomekev408
Ok, didn't read the backs, who is Tom?
Misora
Tom is a god/immortal vs the simply long lived elves. The ring doesn't affect him proving the elves are part of the mortal races.
Misora
Thus yes making the quest to destroy the ring and fight Sauron part of their problem and responsibility.
LvAllen
Old Tom Bombadil is a merry fellow. Bright blue his jacket is, and his boots are yellow. None has ever caught him yet, for
LvAllen
Tom, he is the master. His songs are stronger songs, and his feet are faster.
awesomekev408
God dammit I meant books but I'm leaving that.
preaction
I thought you were like making up new slang for Paperbacks! Like "Y'all got them backs?"
AndersCalrissian
He is an incarnation of Ilúvatar I believe.
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
I've also heard the theory that he is Aulë, the crafter Valar.
FindusSomKatten
he is ancient, the spirit of the the land i think
Matkingos
Tolkien's self-insert OC
owlest
some godlike character with no explanation
godofpencilshavings
Indicative that he is the true God of that universe
guruflattius
Tom > ilúvatar
relicen
Theories without any proof.
iputthefiresout
From a film making perspective it makes perfect sense. He doesn't really advance the plot overall and his existence raises to many questions
BlackElkSpeaks
Blasphemy!
DarkUranium
Come on guys, you can't downvote a comment made in jest.
TheSuperJay
Right, exactly this. I loved the books for years before the movies, but anyone could see that the novels would need to be edited for film.
TheSuperJay
So since something has to go, Tom makes sense - he can be removed without damaging narrative structure and his inclusion does confuse things
ViolentVibrator
He's a Deus ex Machina. He didn't have a place for the casual movie goer
DominicTheShark
More like "Do's what he wanna", amIrite? Rite? ... I'll show myself out.
DarthSedition
You mean like the eagles!
DarkUranium
No, his parts are a big-lipped alligator moment.
bigbbman
Like having Legolas in the Hobbit...
iputthefiresout
Not really, he's from Mirkwood. It doesn't make sense to have him look for the ranger Aragorn, as he was a child in Rivendel at the time.
malakim
legolas is a fan favorite though and draws customers. Tom is just "lolsorandum"
c0dered
MyWeeLadGimli
That at least makes some sense, considering they go to Legolas' home and his father plays a major role in the story.
TitanJedi
Legolas was the son of the king in the Hobbit. He was never mentioned in the book because he wasnt created yet but it makes sense to add him
ElPoloDiablo
As a cameo, maybe, but not as a major plot character.
kainreborn
Typical mmo, inflating the numbers until it's all nonsense.
TheBroble
What?
HD226868
P O W E R C R E E P
FoxLovesCats
Can someone explain Tom for my friend?
BardicLasher
Nobody can really explain Tom.
dweadpiewitwobbits
He's like Tim Benzedrine only not satire.
ControlledIsMyEnthusiasm
I'm not his friend, but would love an info too
ToasterDent
I'm not your friend, guy, but would also love an info too
ControlledIsMyEnthusiasm
We all are not friends here, but we want infos
FallingStar7669
There are a lot of theories, but Tolkien never committed to what Tom really is, so the fact is, we don't know. He simply Is.
mrcynic
My honest opinion is that he's an anomaly due to Tolkien's revision processes. Tom Bombadil as a character predated LotR for Tolkien, and//
mrcynic
I think he wanted to include him and just threw him in with some sort of pseudo-lore.
mrcynic
He probably didn't have any sort of secret importance or identity, Tolkien probably didn't have any idea for him. He was just there for fun.
tooomanysteves
Practically a god.
tooomanysteves
But he is indifferent to the wars of elves and mortals.
WilliamKeith
Probably the oldest person in Middle-Earth. Tolkien said he was intended to be a mystery, so probably not even any authorial intent.
Leithreas
Tom is in the first book. He is basically Middle Earth personified. The ring didn't affect him at all.
mrcynic
Well he's a small section of Middle Earth personified.
StragoMagus
May have existed before the first existing beings, known by those with power & knowledge, but seemingly not interested in their activities/1
StragoMagus
Has a degree of power over supernatural beings, & the One Ring has no power over him, and he is able to see one who is wearing the ring /2
StragoMagus
Origins unknown, but he existed in Middle earth before Melkor (Sauron's boss) got there. He may never have died; he may be immortal /3
OrnamentalTurtle
Some also speculate that he may actually have been Eru Ilúvatar.../shrug as others have stated no one really knows for sure.
McDondo
I read somewhere along the way that he was supposed to be Aulë, and his wife, Goldberry, was Yavanna. My Tolkien-fu is weak, though
AnonKneeMoose
That wouldn't work as he had names in the FA separate from Aule/Yavanna. Plus, stated he's older than any valar.
mrcynic
Plus, Aulë would have had dominion over more areas than just one. Ditto Eru. I used to know other reasons he wasn't Eru but have forgotten.
NotaMormonbutlookslikeone
As a sci-Fi fan that appreciates but doesn't enjoy fantasy too much, anyone care to elaborate?
TheresAGermanWordForThat
Surprisingly for a book written by an Oxbridge professor, old males are the best people ever.
laiskamato
Did you just assum- you know what? Fuck this meme.
Cowfister
Tom Bombadil is, who Tom Bombadil is, because only Tom Bombadil can be, Tom Bombadil!
LychFinderGeneral
Tom Bombadil is theorized to be Tolkien, Middle Earth itself personified, or God, usually.
WilliamKeith
Glorfindel calls Bombadil "the first," implying that he's the oldest intelligent creature, possibly the oldest creature, in Middle-Earth.
Thevoiceinmyhead
Bitches be older than dirt.
MegaZeus101
Beating out what everyone else is saying Tom was around when the universe was sang into creation, before God made mini Gods and their angels
MegaZeus101
It's most likely he's supposed to represent Tolkien himself.
RandomClawPictureOnceInAWhile
He originaly was a character for an earlyer Tolkien work made for his children.Then he just put him in LotR. So he has nothing to do with it
Satsuz
This is the one of the few things we can factually say about Bombadil, yeah. He was a cameo, or an in-joke for his kids (for whom he -cont.
Satsuz
also wrote The Hobbit).
Dantethebald
Tom Bombadil was one of the best unanswered mysteries of his work and is a point of great intrigue!
modsm20
mutingisforcowardsandsycophants
juststopandthink
Tom Bombadil, the last picture, was basically a cross-over from something else JRR wrote. It'd be like sticking Deadpool into Shawshank. 1/2
juststopandthink
Hilarious, but you'll ruin the story if he affects more than someone's lunch choices. Also I know those two things don't have the same maker
DominicTheShark
'bout to say, I'd watch the HELL out of that.
Leithreas
Tom puts the ring on at one point. Frodo freaks out but nothing happens and he takes it off. No one knows who Tom was supposed to be.
BatmanAndCradleRobin
I still think hes a manifestation of Eru Iluvatar, because of the power and utter lack of care for anyone and anything in the world
BatmanAndCradleRobin
I don't care if Tolkien said he wasnt, he never gave any evidence that he could be anything else.
jestor114
I am pretty sure he is aule father of drawers and god of the smith, google the connection it’s pretty strong I feel
Lamaman
I guess you can compare him to Ungoliant. She's pure evil, while he is purely good. They just 'are'...
MegaDeuce
I read he was supposed to be Tolkien himself.
KPopGirlKimi
That's pretty cool
IWishIWereNotAllergicToCats
I'm pretty sure there's nothing which really substantiates that at all, but I'd be very interested if you could prove me wrong!
MegaDeuce
Well when the hobbits first come in, he has some scattered pages on the arm of his chair. Pippin catches a glimpse of one of the pages which
MegaDeuce
reads "A long expected party" at the top. Then Tom sees him and hastily gathers up the pages and gives him a stern look.
sombrerohorsewagon
That seems Dark Towerish
Satsuz
Nah, Tolkien is Beren.
Aerolfoz
He does seem to be some sort of author avatar.
IWishIWereNotAllergicToCats
What gives you that idea? He doesn't seem that way at all to me.
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lifeinabathtub
Is he a "Mother Earth " type persona?
DaedelusMuse
He's thought to be an angel.
Justiceforbradswife
That's what I got out of it but... I am certainly not a lot expert just a fan of it
TheSuperJay
Possibly; there's a lot of speculation. We know Tom is effectively older than all the races of Arda (he predated their arrival), and it's...
TheSuperJay
...fairly clear he's not Maia (the 'divine' race that Gandalf and Sauron belong to) or Vala (the 'gods') nor Eru Iluvatar (the Creator).
FoxPesdassi
Tolkien's overarching book "The Silmarillion" describes how Arda (the world) was designed out of music--some of the singers then entered 1/?
FoxPesdassi
into that music and gave it physical form. Bombadil may have been the first of the Ainur to enter Arda, or maybe the original music was 2/?
FoxPesdassi
sung *around* him. Either way, the fact that he works his magic through song is very relevant--he's essentially manipulating the laws of 3/?
Aerolfoz
Important clue, he describes a world with no evil, a time when the Enemy was still "outside". That would be Melkor, one of the Ainur.
Aerolfoz
So clearly he existed before the Ainur came to Arda.
FoxPesdassi
physics, in a world based on music. And this is a lousy depiction of him.
Daloth
Tom Bombadil is only in the books and is a walking Deus Ex Machina for the short time he's there basically.
BraveUsersubNewestPatrol
And AND he has a smoking hot wife!
modsm20
TheSuperJay
He's not really DeM, though; he doesn't resolve anything crucial and he isn't used as a fallback when the writer is out of other options.
Daloth
Eh, he saves them pwith no explanation of his powers, and they even mention "He would easily take the ring, just, he might forget about it"
supersomatic
The entire Lord of the Rings is nothing but deus ex machina. We're losing the most important battle?! GHOST SHIP MUFAKA!
Aerolfoz
Eh you could argue for that being some form of chekovs gun, since there is some setup for it. But, not quite enough.
TheJazzGhost
It's not a deus ex machina if you devote time and character action to the solution.
supersomatic
I think its more to do with time/effort ratios. The final battle built up over a good 4 hours. Of which total the ghosts were 8 minutes
supersomatic
otherwise one could preface every major battle with "I hope X saves us", and then X pitches up at the end
KPopGirlKimi
I'm dumb, what is Deus Ex Machina?
FckyourselfSarah
It's something that can either do exactly what's needed to save the day, or it can just wave it's hand and makes things better.
FckyourselfSarah
It's generally a sign of a really bad writer.
Inmate45
A plot device that doesn't fit the narrative. Means "God from the machine" - they used to wrap up roman plays by bringing in gods to 1/2
Inmate45
2/2 just fix everything so they didn't have to come up with an ending.
Fheuef
Isn't it "Gods out of the machine" ? I'm pretty sure Ex means out...
sunsetclimber
Usually I think it's translated as "God By Machine" but that's basically just nuance, the phrase means something in literature.
ChaoticScholar
Much how Stephen King ends most of his books. Comes up with an amazing story with great character development then runs out of steam
Sommelo
I've been saying this to people recommending me Stephen King books. I'm not falling for his unsatisfying literary trap again.
PeregrinFalconPunch
Tom Bombadil saw the first acorn and the first leaf fall. The books never say his age. Treebeard is the oldest being in Middle Earth.
unknownSubscriber
Did the books explain how powerful he was? If not, why does everyone assume he's powerful?
Janusha
Because anything that have survived through the ages must pr definition be rather old.
Janusha
-Rather powerful.
TheSuperJay
He rescues the hobbits from an evil tree and from the Wights of the Barrow-downs; within his own 'borders,' Tom is shown to be powerful.
IMadeAnAccountForThisFuckingSobStory
he picks up the one ring and puts it on but it does nothing to him. in his hands it has no power. this makes him stronger than sauron.
Aerolfoz
Even Gandalf mentions how the One Ring would be too much for him, and lead to a reign of terror. Gandalf is a Maiar, basically an angel.
Aerolfoz
Sauron is one too, if a fallen one. That puts Bombadil right under the God of the universe, if they aren't one and the same.
JordD04
Gandalf, the other Istari, Sauron, and the Balrog are the oldest. They predate the creation of the planet.
Aerolfoz
They are certainly among the oldest, but Tom Bombadil mentions existing while the Enemy was still "outside", which also predates the planet.
Aerolfoz
But Tom Bombadil also saw the darkness under the stars, when there was no evil, for the Enemy was still "outside".
Aerolfoz
The Enemy would have to be Melkor, one of the Valar, which means he existed before the world was created and the Valar descended to it...
zedd
No, Treebeard says he's the oldest. Tolkien says that Treebeard doesn't know everything.
Janusha
Balrogs would be amongst the first beings too.
PeregrinFalconPunch
But Tom Bombabdil is probably not 'alive' in the normal sense. He just is.
BakaKagaku
When Frodo asked Tom's wife who Tom was, she said something along the lines of "He is."
modsm20
PhilMcrevice
Probably Tolkiens way of showing Eru Illuvatar, God, as an entity on middle earth. He never used his full powers, just like the maia Gandalf
Drathe
The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien; Letter 153. Tolkien himself explicitly said Tom is not Eru Ilúvatar
emmalilly
Oh man that sounds like some C.S. Lewis feud shit
PhilMcrevice
Tolkien was trolling in his letter, he always wanted to keep Tom a mystery in real life too and have the reader determine his nature.
PhilMcrevice
But, Eru Illuvatar IS everything, so yea, he is also Tom.
PhilMcrevice
He also states Tom isn't important to the narrative, so his Deus Ex machina moments saving the main characters isn't important?
beorn080
No. As it was simply a side track. If you exclude the whole bit between the tree and tom, nothing changes in the plot
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hammersquirrel
Nah, why would he not understand the ring if he were Iluvatar? And then cause Gollum to trip at Mt. Doom?
PhilMcrevice
Like God, the Lord works in mysterious ways.
hammersquirrel
Unlike Tom, Iluvatar is more of a conductor than a musician if you catch my drift
Aerolfoz
Tom doesn't say he doesn't understand the Ring. Just that he doesn't care, and treats it like a toy. What you might expect from a God
hammersquirrel
The Council of Elrond says that he doesn't - but again we know Illuvatar caused Gollum to fall with the ring, so Illuvatar certainly cares
Aerolfoz
that is above the powers of the world.
tangmen
Forever disappointed Tom never got into the movies
Zerberus
To make the movies even longer? No thx
Wyzerus
seanwlkn
DVSBSTrD
Well who else could've fit the role besides Andre the Giant?
SoftwareEngineersRuleTheWorld
This
HyperA
Could you imagine the people who talk about the eagles if Tom was in the movie?
tangmen
Them: REEEEEEEE
NotEvenAlittleBit
I think they had some scenes they ended up cutting out.
LamePotato
A voice both as young and ancient as springtime.
Molvanian
It's for the best, really.
Pegussu
Unpopular opinion: I fucking hate Tom Bombadil and skip his chapters whenever I read the book.
SirButcher
Really? It was my favorite part in the book. I so excepted some horror when he first popped up. I still feel strange fear from that part
LapisScarab
It literally only would have worked if Colbert had played him, so I'm glad they didn't bother.
matthewcw07
Im more upset about the scouring of the Shire not being included
PancakeLegend
Coming Christmas 2019, 2020, 2021... the Tom Bombadil trilogy. It's just a guy fucking gardening for 11 hours.
DominicTheShark
Like Bob Ross painting. "There are no weeds. This is edible, this can be mashed for dye, and this? This is a potent hallucinogen!"
causality
Not even Tolkien claimed to understand how Tom was supposed to fit in the creation story of LotR.
icookfoodandfightfire
didnt he have like a total of half a chapter that even just mentioned him in the books?
mebe21
It was more than that. It was long, and neat, but it didn't add a ton to the overall story imo. The little that was, they just changed.
Bstone1
The only thing he adds to the story is how they got their swords, which was only really relevant for Merry stabbing the Witch King.
TheN8
It was like one of those pointless quests at the start of an RPG where you go talk to this weird old man for hours but learn nothing of use.
Willybum84
Share the load.
whosagoodboy92
crayolacrepes
Carry it for a while..while
CowboyZ
Including Tom would have been a 15 minute scene in a 12 hour epic story that added nothing to the story but an unexplained plot point.
Justsomedude223
I mean for all intents and purposes for all I know about Tom he IS still an unexplained plot point even in the books all in all.
ICantThinkOfAU
It'd explain how they got the barrow-blades, but that's literally all it'd contribute. Plus he would've been awful on film, pacing'd be off
DerangedMoosh
I am not disappointed, because I know if they had put him in the movies it would have been disappointing.
tangmen
That's very likely the truth. Still my favourite bit of the fellowship to read though!
modsm20
mynameiselliott
It would have been Jar Jar Binks levels of disappointing
nasreal
1 Not to mention that everything we know about Tom suggests that he's essentially a god, perhaps the God of that universe. As @StragoMagus
nasreal
2 pointed out, Tom's existense predates Melkor who was Sauron's predecessor and basically Satan/Lucifer. He brings way too much in the way..
nasreal
3 of plot holes to the story, even in the books, in movie form it would have been worse. The one ring has no power over him, which even...
nasreal
4 Gandalf and the elves cannot say. He basically seems like a God who simply refuses to intervene on mortal affairs.
MrWoodchip
I dunno, I think Brian Blessed could've done him justice.
dhaskjdhawyajhdbsdbgwakjhbdnmcckclkklkl
Can you imagine the shitty romance story they'd invent for Tom?
DominicTheShark
Oh... oh no. I mean, dude wanted to be left alone to bang the river's daughter and smoke his pipe. That's it. Why fuck with that?
Kaysmira
Someone mentioned in another comment, can you imagine what the people who whine about not taking the eagles would do with Tom?
mrchambers
But aren't you glad big fat (at the time) bearded peter Jackson didn't make that role for himself?
tangmen
Oh god I can imagine it and it's not good
mrchambers
Right? Dont get me wrong I like how he snuck in as the background characters... but who would really fit Tom like the others fit their rolls
Piefromhell
rodney dangerfield.
ErinOakling
Robin Williams
tangmen
True...would be very hard to nail but I just adore the character!