Old people of Middle Earth

Jul 15, 2017 1:33 AM

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Oldest and Fatherless.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Ah, the eldest.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Hey dol! merry dol!

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Oh Tom Bombadil ring a dong dillo. Ring a ding hop along fal lal the willow. Tom Bom jolly Tom Tom Bombadillo.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Goldberry is waiting!

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Tim bombadil!! I just finished reading the fellowship and omg it's amazing

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Seriously why was Tom not in the movies?! The fact that the Ring had no power over him was bewildering

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Because his chapter is a waste of time and doesn't further the plot.

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 3

It's not all about plot. He embodies an important message. But the films were fairly meh on those terms anyway.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The elves's story is the best, but its so damn sad to get through

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BEMO NOOOO!

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

He's so old pixels weren't invented yet

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[chuckles low-resolutionally]

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*one singular clap* merry christmas grans.

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(Giggles in dial-up)

9 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

PO-TA-TOES! Boil 'em, mash 'em, stick 'em in a stew!

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?

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Marvelous

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Well that's just mortifying.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Perfect

9 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 0

I just lold in an empty store. My boss watches the cameras. I'ma look crazy.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yeah but he was a fallen servant of the creator of the world. He is disqualified because divine beings dont seem to age.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Tom Bom, jolly Tom, Tom Bombadillo!

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Cant believe tom morello wasnt in the lotr films

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 2

Im confused as to why a musician would be in lotr

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If it went to real footage of a finger pressing a key would make this perfect

9 years ago | Likes 48 Dislikes 0

lol reminds me of most cop shows.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I love how the tech is usually typing some shit when controlling a PC. Not clicking, not scrolling, not ctrl+something. Typing.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Not saying any of that shit looks even remotely real, but as someone who works in IT, you'd be referencing a CLI, which is generally>

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

>understood to be far more powerful than any graphical user interface. Most of the really important stuff gets done by people typing.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

I know right? I paid attention once, they typed "cmKLVKLSCJ439;HJJAWJEVMncawewfevnvrawelvj4;;pjif4vlsejFJ3".

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I wish I had talent with dialogue and characters. Than I would make a firm-science TV show and every detail would be completely logical.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

My thoughts too! I hate it when accurate details and processes are sacrified for the plot. Like movie heroes never running out of bullets.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

"Eldest, that's what I am... Tom remembers the first raindrop and the first acorn..." https://youtu.be/CxyYvHkmyxA

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

So, how old is this god like being?!

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Yes.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I see

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Tom Bombadil is a merry old fellow, blue are his balls and his pubes once were yellow. His wife is so hot, and as fuck he is old...

9 years ago | Likes 29 Dislikes 2

...when willow he fought, willow did as was told.

9 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 0

"I've got the number for Old Man Willow, bright blue my jacket is and my boots are yellow"

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I had some LOTR: Two Towers Top Trumps cards when I was a kid that claimed Legolas was about 700 years older than Elrond.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Gandalf has been there since before the world was made, helping create it. If I am not mistaken.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

He isn't mentioned to have created the world in any direct sense, but is a Maiar, one of the original spirits which existed before the world

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Ho Tom Bombadil!

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"Hey! Have you seen my cousin Tim Benzedrine?"

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Bring a long dildo! Bring a dong! Hop along!

9 years ago | Likes 46 Dislikes 3

And people wonder why Tom didn't make it into the movies...

9 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

Tom Bombadil is, who Tom Bombadil is, because only Tom Bombadil can be, Tom Bombadil!

9 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 1

Hey come merry dol! Derry dol my darling! Light goes the weather wind, and the feathered starling!

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Tom Bombadillo! By water, wood and hill, by the reed and willow, By fire, sun and moon, harken now and hear us!

9 years ago | Likes 89 Dislikes 0

I always sang his songs in my head to the super Mario bothers theme

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Old Tom Bombadil is a merry fellow, Bright blue his jacket is, and his boots are yellow.

9 years ago | Likes 26 Dislikes 0

Ringading ding dillo! Toms songs are stronger songs for Tom he is e Master!

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Come Tom Bombadil for our need is near us!

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I don't understand any of the context, but I bet this is pretty funny to someone. Meh, I'm drunk. I'm spreading upvotes.

9 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 1

Patrick Rothfuss wrote a deathmatch type fan fic between and one of the characters from his Kingkiller Chronicles books. Pure fan service.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

*Between Tom and one of the characters etc etc

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9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Gandalf and Sauron are just as old though. And Tom beats them all.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Tom finally making an appearance!

9 years ago | Likes 942 Dislikes 7

Player 6 has entered the game

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I love the reference in Adventure Time. True to his character.

9 years ago | Likes 28 Dislikes 0

Holy shit, was Magic Man a reference to Tom Bombadil? Must've been the lack of beard.

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

I just want one deleted scene with Tom Bombadil, where all he does is sneak into the editing studio and steals all the shots he was in.

9 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 0

Tom could break the fourth wall.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I have a theory about tom. I think it's Tolkien writing himself into the book. Think about. Guy seems to know everything. Has 1/2

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

A beautiful wife. And seems to have control over the world, but doesn't seem to us it a lot. Almost like a retired God.

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Is that what Tom has been up to this whole time? Gotta say, that's some impressive endurance

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I will forever hate Peter Jackson for leaving Tom out

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As others have said, it's far better to leave him out. In fact, he didn't even fit in the books. He trivializes the whole quest.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

You trivialized the whole quest!

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

he doesnt work for a movie, if it was a series you could do him, but in movie form? it completely fucks up the pacing

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Yeah, I really regret missing out on all that nothing that happened with him. The movies didn't have enough meaningless filler! /sarcasm

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The thing with Tom and the Barrows was easily bypassed by Stryder giving the Hobbits swords. Bombadil is awesome, but he's bigger than LotR.

9 years ago | Likes 30 Dislikes 1

Thats a good point.

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His part of the story is kinda pointless in terms of plot development. I can see why he was left out

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Tom would never have translated well on to the big screen.

9 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 0

Just gone come right out and say, Tom Bombadil fucking sucked.

9 years ago | Likes 29 Dislikes 48

I'd agree but then we'd both be wrong. But a fun character does not equal a good character.

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 6

I still cite him as the reason I struggled through Fellowship. He just feels so out of place and derails the main story.

9 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 5

I mean, the baggins family tree derails the main story

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

He is interesting in regards to lore but yeah, the whole episode was just "wtf, why?"

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 3

Ok, didn't read the backs, who is Tom?

9 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 1

Tom is a god/immortal vs the simply long lived elves. The ring doesn't affect him proving the elves are part of the mortal races.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Thus yes making the quest to destroy the ring and fight Sauron part of their problem and responsibility.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Old Tom Bombadil is a merry fellow. Bright blue his jacket is, and his boots are yellow. None has ever caught him yet, for

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Tom, he is the master. His songs are stronger songs, and his feet are faster.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

God dammit I meant books but I'm leaving that.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

I thought you were like making up new slang for Paperbacks! Like "Y'all got them backs?"

9 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

He is an incarnation of Ilúvatar I believe.

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I've also heard the theory that he is Aulë, the crafter Valar.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

he is ancient, the spirit of the the land i think

9 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

Tolkien's self-insert OC

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some godlike character with no explanation

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Indicative that he is the true God of that universe

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Tom > ilúvatar

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Theories without any proof.

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From a film making perspective it makes perfect sense. He doesn't really advance the plot overall and his existence raises to many questions

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Blasphemy!

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 6

Come on guys, you can't downvote a comment made in jest.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

Right, exactly this. I loved the books for years before the movies, but anyone could see that the novels would need to be edited for film.

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

So since something has to go, Tom makes sense - he can be removed without damaging narrative structure and his inclusion does confuse things

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

He's a Deus ex Machina. He didn't have a place for the casual movie goer

9 years ago | Likes 22 Dislikes 1

More like "Do's what he wanna", amIrite? Rite? ... I'll show myself out.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

You mean like the eagles!

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

No, his parts are a big-lipped alligator moment.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Like having Legolas in the Hobbit...

9 years ago | Likes 50 Dislikes 2

Not really, he's from Mirkwood. It doesn't make sense to have him look for the ranger Aragorn, as he was a child in Rivendel at the time.

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legolas is a fan favorite though and draws customers. Tom is just "lolsorandum"

9 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 3

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That at least makes some sense, considering they go to Legolas' home and his father plays a major role in the story.

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Legolas was the son of the king in the Hobbit. He was never mentioned in the book because he wasnt created yet but it makes sense to add him

9 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 3

As a cameo, maybe, but not as a major plot character.

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Typical mmo, inflating the numbers until it's all nonsense.

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What?

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P O W E R C R E E P

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Can someone explain Tom for my friend?

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Nobody can really explain Tom.

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He's like Tim Benzedrine only not satire.

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I'm not his friend, but would love an info too

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I'm not your friend, guy, but would also love an info too

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We all are not friends here, but we want infos

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There are a lot of theories, but Tolkien never committed to what Tom really is, so the fact is, we don't know. He simply Is.

9 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 0

My honest opinion is that he's an anomaly due to Tolkien's revision processes. Tom Bombadil as a character predated LotR for Tolkien, and//

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I think he wanted to include him and just threw him in with some sort of pseudo-lore.

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He probably didn't have any sort of secret importance or identity, Tolkien probably didn't have any idea for him. He was just there for fun.

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Practically a god.

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But he is indifferent to the wars of elves and mortals.

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Probably the oldest person in Middle-Earth. Tolkien said he was intended to be a mystery, so probably not even any authorial intent.

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Tom is in the first book. He is basically Middle Earth personified. The ring didn't affect him at all.

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Well he's a small section of Middle Earth personified.

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May have existed before the first existing beings, known by those with power & knowledge, but seemingly not interested in their activities/1

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Has a degree of power over supernatural beings, & the One Ring has no power over him, and he is able to see one who is wearing the ring /2

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Origins unknown, but he existed in Middle earth before Melkor (Sauron's boss) got there. He may never have died; he may be immortal /3

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Some also speculate that he may actually have been Eru Ilúvatar.../shrug as others have stated no one really knows for sure.

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I read somewhere along the way that he was supposed to be Aulë, and his wife, Goldberry, was Yavanna. My Tolkien-fu is weak, though

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That wouldn't work as he had names in the FA separate from Aule/Yavanna. Plus, stated he's older than any valar.

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Plus, Aulë would have had dominion over more areas than just one. Ditto Eru. I used to know other reasons he wasn't Eru but have forgotten.

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As a sci-Fi fan that appreciates but doesn't enjoy fantasy too much, anyone care to elaborate?

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Surprisingly for a book written by an Oxbridge professor, old males are the best people ever.

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Did you just assum- you know what? Fuck this meme.

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Tom Bombadil is, who Tom Bombadil is, because only Tom Bombadil can be, Tom Bombadil!

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Tom Bombadil is theorized to be Tolkien, Middle Earth itself personified, or God, usually.

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Glorfindel calls Bombadil "the first," implying that he's the oldest intelligent creature, possibly the oldest creature, in Middle-Earth.

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Bitches be older than dirt.

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Beating out what everyone else is saying Tom was around when the universe was sang into creation, before God made mini Gods and their angels

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It's most likely he's supposed to represent Tolkien himself.

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He originaly was a character for an earlyer Tolkien work made for his children.Then he just put him in LotR. So he has nothing to do with it

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This is the one of the few things we can factually say about Bombadil, yeah. He was a cameo, or an in-joke for his kids (for whom he -cont.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

also wrote The Hobbit).

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Tom Bombadil was one of the best unanswered mysteries of his work and is a point of great intrigue!

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Tom Bombadil, the last picture, was basically a cross-over from something else JRR wrote. It'd be like sticking Deadpool into Shawshank. 1/2

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Hilarious, but you'll ruin the story if he affects more than someone's lunch choices. Also I know those two things don't have the same maker

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'bout to say, I'd watch the HELL out of that.

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Tom puts the ring on at one point. Frodo freaks out but nothing happens and he takes it off. No one knows who Tom was supposed to be.

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I still think hes a manifestation of Eru Iluvatar, because of the power and utter lack of care for anyone and anything in the world

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I don't care if Tolkien said he wasnt, he never gave any evidence that he could be anything else.

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I am pretty sure he is aule father of drawers and god of the smith, google the connection it’s pretty strong I feel

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I guess you can compare him to Ungoliant. She's pure evil, while he is purely good. They just 'are'...

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I read he was supposed to be Tolkien himself.

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That's pretty cool

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I'm pretty sure there's nothing which really substantiates that at all, but I'd be very interested if you could prove me wrong!

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Well when the hobbits first come in, he has some scattered pages on the arm of his chair. Pippin catches a glimpse of one of the pages which

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reads "A long expected party" at the top. Then Tom sees him and hastily gathers up the pages and gives him a stern look.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

That seems Dark Towerish

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Nah, Tolkien is Beren.

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He does seem to be some sort of author avatar.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

What gives you that idea? He doesn't seem that way at all to me.

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Is he a "Mother Earth " type persona?

9 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 0

He's thought to be an angel.

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That's what I got out of it but... I am certainly not a lot expert just a fan of it

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Possibly; there's a lot of speculation. We know Tom is effectively older than all the races of Arda (he predated their arrival), and it's...

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...fairly clear he's not Maia (the 'divine' race that Gandalf and Sauron belong to) or Vala (the 'gods') nor Eru Iluvatar (the Creator).

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Tolkien's overarching book "The Silmarillion" describes how Arda (the world) was designed out of music--some of the singers then entered 1/?

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into that music and gave it physical form. Bombadil may have been the first of the Ainur to enter Arda, or maybe the original music was 2/?

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sung *around* him. Either way, the fact that he works his magic through song is very relevant--he's essentially manipulating the laws of 3/?

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Important clue, he describes a world with no evil, a time when the Enemy was still "outside". That would be Melkor, one of the Ainur.

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So clearly he existed before the Ainur came to Arda.

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physics, in a world based on music. And this is a lousy depiction of him.

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Tom Bombadil is only in the books and is a walking Deus Ex Machina for the short time he's there basically.

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And AND he has a smoking hot wife!

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He's not really DeM, though; he doesn't resolve anything crucial and he isn't used as a fallback when the writer is out of other options.

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Eh, he saves them pwith no explanation of his powers, and they even mention "He would easily take the ring, just, he might forget about it"

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The entire Lord of the Rings is nothing but deus ex machina. We're losing the most important battle?! GHOST SHIP MUFAKA!

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Eh you could argue for that being some form of chekovs gun, since there is some setup for it. But, not quite enough.

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It's not a deus ex machina if you devote time and character action to the solution.

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I think its more to do with time/effort ratios. The final battle built up over a good 4 hours. Of which total the ghosts were 8 minutes

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otherwise one could preface every major battle with "I hope X saves us", and then X pitches up at the end

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I'm dumb, what is Deus Ex Machina?

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It's something that can either do exactly what's needed to save the day, or it can just wave it's hand and makes things better.

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It's generally a sign of a really bad writer.

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A plot device that doesn't fit the narrative. Means "God from the machine" - they used to wrap up roman plays by bringing in gods to 1/2

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2/2 just fix everything so they didn't have to come up with an ending.

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Isn't it "Gods out of the machine" ? I'm pretty sure Ex means out...

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Usually I think it's translated as "God By Machine" but that's basically just nuance, the phrase means something in literature.

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Much how Stephen King ends most of his books. Comes up with an amazing story with great character development then runs out of steam

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I've been saying this to people recommending me Stephen King books. I'm not falling for his unsatisfying literary trap again.

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Tom Bombadil saw the first acorn and the first leaf fall. The books never say his age. Treebeard is the oldest being in Middle Earth.

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Did the books explain how powerful he was? If not, why does everyone assume he's powerful?

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Because anything that have survived through the ages must pr definition be rather old.

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-Rather powerful.

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He rescues the hobbits from an evil tree and from the Wights of the Barrow-downs; within his own 'borders,' Tom is shown to be powerful.

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he picks up the one ring and puts it on but it does nothing to him. in his hands it has no power. this makes him stronger than sauron.

9 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

Even Gandalf mentions how the One Ring would be too much for him, and lead to a reign of terror. Gandalf is a Maiar, basically an angel.

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Sauron is one too, if a fallen one. That puts Bombadil right under the God of the universe, if they aren't one and the same.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Gandalf, the other Istari, Sauron, and the Balrog are the oldest. They predate the creation of the planet.

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They are certainly among the oldest, but Tom Bombadil mentions existing while the Enemy was still "outside", which also predates the planet.

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But Tom Bombadil also saw the darkness under the stars, when there was no evil, for the Enemy was still "outside".

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The Enemy would have to be Melkor, one of the Valar, which means he existed before the world was created and the Valar descended to it...

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No, Treebeard says he's the oldest. Tolkien says that Treebeard doesn't know everything.

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Balrogs would be amongst the first beings too.

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But Tom Bombabdil is probably not 'alive' in the normal sense. He just is.

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When Frodo asked Tom's wife who Tom was, she said something along the lines of "He is."

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Probably Tolkiens way of showing Eru Illuvatar, God, as an entity on middle earth. He never used his full powers, just like the maia Gandalf

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The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien; Letter 153. Tolkien himself explicitly said Tom is not Eru Ilúvatar

9 years ago | Likes 27 Dislikes 1

Oh man that sounds like some C.S. Lewis feud shit

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Tolkien was trolling in his letter, he always wanted to keep Tom a mystery in real life too and have the reader determine his nature.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

But, Eru Illuvatar IS everything, so yea, he is also Tom.

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He also states Tom isn't important to the narrative, so his Deus Ex machina moments saving the main characters isn't important?

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

No. As it was simply a side track. If you exclude the whole bit between the tree and tom, nothing changes in the plot

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Nah, why would he not understand the ring if he were Iluvatar? And then cause Gollum to trip at Mt. Doom?

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Like God, the Lord works in mysterious ways.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Unlike Tom, Iluvatar is more of a conductor than a musician if you catch my drift

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Tom doesn't say he doesn't understand the Ring. Just that he doesn't care, and treats it like a toy. What you might expect from a God

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

The Council of Elrond says that he doesn't - but again we know Illuvatar caused Gollum to fall with the ring, so Illuvatar certainly cares

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

that is above the powers of the world.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Forever disappointed Tom never got into the movies

9 years ago | Likes 375 Dislikes 18

To make the movies even longer? No thx

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 3

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9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Well who else could've fit the role besides Andre the Giant?

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

This

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Could you imagine the people who talk about the eagles if Tom was in the movie?

9 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

Them: REEEEEEEE

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I think they had some scenes they ended up cutting out.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

A voice both as young and ancient as springtime.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

It's for the best, really.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Unpopular opinion: I fucking hate Tom Bombadil and skip his chapters whenever I read the book.

9 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 4

Really? It was my favorite part in the book. I so excepted some horror when he first popped up. I still feel strange fear from that part

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

It literally only would have worked if Colbert had played him, so I'm glad they didn't bother.

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 3

Im more upset about the scouring of the Shire not being included

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Coming Christmas 2019, 2020, 2021... the Tom Bombadil trilogy. It's just a guy fucking gardening for 11 hours.

9 years ago | Likes 27 Dislikes 0

Like Bob Ross painting. "There are no weeds. This is edible, this can be mashed for dye, and this? This is a potent hallucinogen!"

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Not even Tolkien claimed to understand how Tom was supposed to fit in the creation story of LotR.

9 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 0

didnt he have like a total of half a chapter that even just mentioned him in the books?

9 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

It was more than that. It was long, and neat, but it didn't add a ton to the overall story imo. The little that was, they just changed.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

The only thing he adds to the story is how they got their swords, which was only really relevant for Merry stabbing the Witch King.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

It was like one of those pointless quests at the start of an RPG where you go talk to this weird old man for hours but learn nothing of use.

9 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

Share the load.

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9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Carry it for a while..while

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Including Tom would have been a 15 minute scene in a 12 hour epic story that added nothing to the story but an unexplained plot point.

9 years ago | Likes 47 Dislikes 0

I mean for all intents and purposes for all I know about Tom he IS still an unexplained plot point even in the books all in all.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

It'd explain how they got the barrow-blades, but that's literally all it'd contribute. Plus he would've been awful on film, pacing'd be off

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

I am not disappointed, because I know if they had put him in the movies it would have been disappointing.

9 years ago | Likes 223 Dislikes 3

That's very likely the truth. Still my favourite bit of the fellowship to read though!

9 years ago | Likes 44 Dislikes 3

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It would have been Jar Jar Binks levels of disappointing

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1 Not to mention that everything we know about Tom suggests that he's essentially a god, perhaps the God of that universe. As @StragoMagus

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2 pointed out, Tom's existense predates Melkor who was Sauron's predecessor and basically Satan/Lucifer. He brings way too much in the way..

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

3 of plot holes to the story, even in the books, in movie form it would have been worse. The one ring has no power over him, which even...

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

4 Gandalf and the elves cannot say. He basically seems like a God who simply refuses to intervene on mortal affairs.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I dunno, I think Brian Blessed could've done him justice.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Can you imagine the shitty romance story they'd invent for Tom?

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Oh... oh no. I mean, dude wanted to be left alone to bang the river's daughter and smoke his pipe. That's it. Why fuck with that?

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Someone mentioned in another comment, can you imagine what the people who whine about not taking the eagles would do with Tom?

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

But aren't you glad big fat (at the time) bearded peter Jackson didn't make that role for himself?

9 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 1

Oh god I can imagine it and it's not good

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

Right? Dont get me wrong I like how he snuck in as the background characters... but who would really fit Tom like the others fit their rolls

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

rodney dangerfield.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Robin Williams

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

True...would be very hard to nail but I just adore the character!

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0