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lacraquotte
Yeah... using Le Pen as an example to follow kills it for me. Her party has been condemned many times in France for racism and antisemitism.
AManWhoWasntThere
and now for stealing money from EU
zakar23
I am a Muslim and seriously fuck Iran and Saudi Arabia and any other place that doesn't gives people equal rights
TheGhostOfHarambe
Fuck Saudi Arabia, Iran on the other hand, need to go back to their progressive Islamic governments they had before the Shah.
panofbread
I like her, she's got gumption!
pharaohinfinite
Who the fk has the audacity to try cornering a chess player?? Do you know what you're up against?.
harbingerjo
She's playing chess while Iranis playing checkers.
WhyShouldILoveYou
Always think three moves ahead..
GadenKerensky
They have many friends... and they know how to utilise their assets.
AddictiveTendancies
They sure do. Personally, I got rooked!
patthecat
What? She supposed to be threatening? I don't understand what you're implying here.
ButWhyTho
Chess is a strategy game and anticipating counter moves, contingencies, and a variety of outcome scenarios.
Flyndaran
Stop believing Hollywood shorthand. It's a game with very specific allowed moves. It's not a euphemism for mega-genius.
DeckhandAdmiral
Thats fine, but its chess. Being a champ at chess does not make you equally as good in a tactical sense.
CapnMerica123
It's a joke
mathleteclub
check-mate.
Terminology
Decent story, downvoted for Le Pen. Fuck her and whichever ignorant moron included her in these pictures.
Predicto
He wasn't ignorant. It was carefully planned.
chefsoda
Nazi Paikidze is quite impressive, but using LePen as an example seems a poor choice.
Catrovacer
They dont like to see a woman without a hijab then they should blind fold themselves with it instead.
Jables610
I agree with all of this, except for including Le Pen in this. She had agreed to the meeting and was asked beforehand to wear a headscarf1/2
Jables610
This was all just a publicity stunt.
FlamboyantTitans
What's wrong with a publicity stunt against oppression?
CanadianMooseMlems
Never seen a Nazi wear a hijab, never will.
Gluseph
Actually there are a LOT of Muslims who are pro hitler. Mein Kamph is the best selling book in Turkey among Muslim youths
AllHailTechnoViking
Not the same, but close:
TheTitsOfThisGuy
Read somewhere, (wiki?) that the founders where deeply involved with recruitment for some muslim ss units
TheTitsOfThisGuy
Muslim brotherhood that is
CanadianMooseMlems
Also the Nazis' didn't like to be called Nazi. The word comes from Nationalsozialist or National German Socialist Party in my understanding.
ImCrappinYouNegative
Wasn't her brother also banned for having competed opposite a Jew? (I read it on the internet so it only has a .3% chance of being true).
abeaverisjustakindofrodentgetoveritalready
I thought so too, but this was what I found http://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-bans-teen-chess-player-for-competing-against-an-israeli/
Tonyletigre
Sorry but you are wrong about Marine Lepen, it's only an electoral move for french presidency.
DQGrillburger
If I were touring something like a holy place, etc, I would cover my hair out of respect. But if it were to play chess, fuck that
hypnokrote
Le Pen is going to ride this bandwagon all the way into the Palais de l'Élysée.
IamNotInfected
Hopefully not. But it's easy pickings right now...
johnqcurls
It worked for Trump
PeculiarBaguette
FFS no ! nononononono......
theboned1
Good for her. Standing up for yourself is one of the most fundamental of human rights.
JuicyManFartsAgainstFeminism
The only Fem-Nazi I could get behind...
hypnokrote
She's done it the right way by attacking the laws and not the people under those laws.
Altairsfarewell
See, the crazy thing is that people have attacked her for being culturally insensitive and racist. People have their heads on backwards...
hypnokrote
Culturally insensitive when we're undressing Muslim women for sure.
vauhtihirmu
It's not actually: http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/ Derivative of some of the more fundamental rights, perhaps.
Actualdeadpool
I was gonna say air is, but yours works too, I guess.
mutefeed
That's an action not a right, but ok I see what you're saying.
Isorikk
Pretty sure it's both
AddictiveTendancies
I think that in this war of ideas, yes both need to be winning.
SerialChillinSpree
Human rights? Oh, you mean the rights bestowed upon us by whatever autocratic constitution the reigning govt employs. Good for her though.
jeandolly
Would a chess-champion from the amazonian rainforest be banned from a US championship if he wanted to play in the nude ?
TestSubject420
No. But they could play it outdoors in Minnesota in January to get around the issue anyway.
JamesBondMegacorn
Apples and oranges dude
jeandolly
Cultural norms and cultural norms dude.
FayS0ff
It's a cultural norm to be sexually harassed at a club in the US. Should we not protest shitty cultural norms?
jeandolly
Ofcourse, not just iranian ones. But my point was that the western world also has strict dress codes. One can not show up naked.
MemeDissector
i'm not sure the amazonian rainforest has many chess grandmasters. mostly because chess is not from the amazon.
jeandolly
No, it's from Iran.
MemeDissector
chess is from india dude
joleeen
downvote me, but "standing up for yourself" is not a right. Free speech, freedom from seizure, freedom of religion... those are rights.
joleeen
If "standing up for yourself" was a right, then bullies, terrorists, and dictators would have constitutional protection.
RosegoldEverything
In what way are any of those types standing up for justice for themselves?
joleeen
I don't remember reading the word justice
RosegoldEverything
Standing up for oneself insinuates that. That's what standing up for oneself is.
RosegoldEverything
I'd think that's what's meant by "standing up for yourself". You use those rights to do that.
joleeen
True but it's not a "right".
RosegoldEverything
Yes it is. One has the right to stand up for oneself by using those rights you listed.
joleeen
Ok. Show me a constitution from any country that gives its citizens the right to "stand up for themselves". Show me those words
Porfirij
don't applaud le pen, it was a publicity stunt. also, don't judge the swedes, they didn't make that decision lightly. otherwise i approve.
TrijezniMujo
Didn't make it lightly? I dunno, seems awfully easy to pander to folks.
aStrangerVoid
The alternative was to send no female politicians at all.
DarthReznor
The alternative was to have the balls (ovaries I guess) to not wear the fucking hijab. If they don't like it they can fuck off
aStrangerVoid
And screw up a decades long positive diplomatic and economic relationship with the country? Sounds like a great idea! /s
DarthReznor
Seems quite fucked to me that you'd want to have positive diplomatic relations with a government like that
HandsomeSwede
Let me tell you, that thing was highly controversial in Sweden. Plenty of debate among citizens and politicians, many of whom protested.
Raevbur
I don't know about highly controversial, but yes a debate started and some parties criticized it.
HandsomeSwede
I would say highly controversial. It's a more emotionally charged debate than, say, one regarding taxes. It's a polarizing topic.
raindirve
Also look at the picture. None of them completely cover the hair and first one has it half out. Even only sending women was a big statement.
raidleadergutts
Fuck that, they should've just said no.
Blackheartedsilphy
I will judge according to their actions. They gave in to a violation of their own rights in the name of peace.
WhyShouldILoveYou
You can do the right thing for the wrong reasons. IMHO she did the right thing, even if she is a grade A asshole otherwise.
46853
I will always judge the swedes
ShadowbanMyAss
Yeah, but why swedes!?
aStrangerVoid
The Iranian government likes Sweden so they invited them over. Sweden chose to send female politicians in headscarves instead of sending...
aStrangerVoid
...only male politicians. Sweden has a long relationship with Iran. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-sweden-khamenei-idUSKBN15Q0P2
ShadowbanMyAss
But i expected more from the swedes... :'(
raidleadergutts
Lol really? They desperately deny that immigrants are fucking up their country & are brainwashed with liberal propaganda.
ShadowbanMyAss
You should do documentaries for opposite days
aStrangerVoid
http://www.government.se/articles/2017/02/prime-minister-stefan-lofven-visited-iran/
aStrangerVoid
The visit was probably good thing for human rights and equality since those were two of the issues they discussed. Source in next comment.
GimmeFreShaVoCaDo
Marine Lepen is a bitch, she's islamophobic and raising the voice of millions of racist idiots in France.
MalePatternBlackness
Marine Le Penis a dick!
graspee
What's wrong with being islamophobic?
raidleadergutts
Islamophobia isn't a thing.
Suzushiiro
Who the hell thought it was a good idea to host the womens' world championship for fucking anything in Iran of all places?
Casswigirl11
The person who was bribed maybe?
chiefs86
Dumbasses.
DangerouslyMoist
Unpopular opinion: they have the right to ask you to wear a hijab in their government places just like we ask them to take them off in ours
dutchievanie
I was looking for this comment. Im with ya. Our airport:"take that off, that's our policy" their airport: "put this on, it's our policy"
Neptuneflyer
One is for identification reasons, the other is for sexist reasons. This would be comparable if men had to wear hijabs as well.
DangerouslyMoist
I get the fighting, because the concept of a hijab is stupid, but they still have the right to ask
poilk91
A request with appropriate response it would be fine. Just cause western women get a pass don't forget Iranians get imprisoned or worse
UmbertoBench
Don't get so hung up on rights that you forget morals.
MittensPlease
Right nobody loses their shit when churches ask you to cover your shoulders etc
poilk91
You don't get beaten and imprisoned by the state when you don't cover your shoulders. Or you know have acid thrown inn your face
DangerouslyMoist
Depends where you are
poilk91
Iran is a place where the law says to lash and imprison women who don't show proper modesty and horrific targeted attacks are not uncmon
MittensPlease
But to blanket statement say that all women who wear hijab are a representation of that is foolish and ignorant. That's my point
Anahatesbananas
I come from a catholic family and I've never had to cover my shoulders or alter my appearance
onkko
Its not only against women but degrading to men. Im not animal who cant control myself. and no woman need to cower against me.
GnarredGnarly
Is that actually a part of the reason? I've been told women wear it as a showing of purity and humility. Nothing about male temptations.
bpa77
That may be true, but what is modesty for, if not to reduce physical temptation?
malbec
This. It sickens me when I hear that bs.
46853
Well said
jelladelta
Why is there a women's chess competition? Is chess the sort of game that requires segregation??
TestSubject420
No women can play in any event they want, but men can't play in the women's events. Makes perfect sense because chessboards are biased...
JebediahJones
I'm glad someone else came here to ask the real questions
3773
It isn't segragated; women are allowed in all the other chess competitions as well, including the World Championship. It's just that,
3773
because so women play professional chess, there's a women's championship to to promote participation.
megaZwatcher
it's like the bet awards, they can be in other award but this one is special for them, exclusive
TestSubject420
So why aren't men allowed in the women's championship?....
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TestSubject420
There are cash and other prizes. This kind of gender based discrimination is just wrong.
unicornfield
Same thing with boy scouts but people don't get that
corgifamily85
This comment hasn't aged well.
TestSubject420
How much does boyscouts pay if you win? Not the same thing at all.
SenorBambam
There's a big performance gap between men and women in chess. For example, there is not a single woman in the current top 100.1/2
SenorBambam
You can argue it's that more men play, you can argue that it's a difference in brain-wiring. We don't know, but it's real.
BBmathlvr
You would need evidence to argue it both ways. Only one of these positions has sound evidence.
SenorBambam
Both have to some degree. There are more male players, and there is a difference between male and female brain. 1/2
SenorBambam
How big the difference is, and whether it makes men more suited for chess - I don't know, I'm not a neurologist
Casswigirl11
The important part is that a computer can beat them all...
SenorBambam
Sadly you're right
Casswigirl11
It's not sad. Humans programed computers.
raidleadergutts
The last time Nazi was posted here, some people said that it was created to make women more interested in chess & it stayed.
somenub755
We also said that Nazi isn't even near the top 50 of USA's best female chess players. If she had any real chances, she would have attended.
chiefs86
Wat. Did she not win the US Women's Championship in April, 2016?
NightDany
How considerate of the Germans
Krocine
The religious leaders of Iran need to realize how ridiculous their views are. I wish Sweden's feminist gov didn't pander to their beliefs
MadDrDrillBit
but the angels might lust after them if they show their hair. Backwards, 7th century ftards
ThePellboy
They were trying to be progressive so hard that they just swung right back round.
msterdownunder
This. I think it matters where they presented themselves, If they were in Iran it makes sense if they were at home it would be a mistake
HandsomeSwede
So do I. Thankfully, it's hardly representative of Sweden as a nation. Lots of people here, including politicians, disapprove of it.
aStrangerVoid
They didn't. If they did they would've just sent a bunch of male politicians (which was the only diplomatic alternative to what they did)
IamNotInfected
Could have organized the meeting in a neutral country.
TheGreatAku
I wonder if any of her opponents in a game of chess have ever used the "I did Nazi that coming" line when hit with a checkmate.
toraidhe
I did Nazi her coming.
ratfaceddog
Great job repeating the joke.
OoWah
PapaFrankuOfTheFilth
Oh jew
SarcasticComment
is she a fan of the blitzkrieg strategy against her French opponents?
Starlatan
GaudizGrate
(Trying my best to hold in laughter)
Ohhhlookaunicorneatingasamurai
BecozImBatman
Kudos for ppl realising that women rigjts exists.. (specifically Iranian govt)
ohmygodimonfirewhyarentyouhelping
I'm sure she's probably never heard that
asm80dfa8sdfj
If it's anything like imgur; every single game.
sciencebasedlifeform
She doesn't make "moves" she advances and invades
heytheretaylor
Now you're asking the real questions
vartislunknuckers
As soon as I started reading I "did see" this discussion would be #1
payamsaid13
/a/Aenz5
Johnatomy
I hate you so much.
ArtOzz
Right before being slapped, one can only hope.
JimStarluck
Then she's allowed to punch *them* in the face.
ratfaceddog
*required
SuperPrushka64
Would she say "oh jew"
OmgOptimized
At that level I think they always see it coming
SpongebobReferences
You always see it coming, the loser only plays it out if it's beautiful
SkyHighInc
If not, then a pox on them
beguilingkittenpants
pastramionrye
No. Because they are outside living their lives. Not attached to tumblr... I mean imgur.
EliLevine
her name is pronounces Nazzi as aposed to Nɑtsi (the party)(http://dictionary.cambridge.org/pronunciation/english/nazi)
tomk2012
Love it!!!
WhenISpeakGIFsComeOut
atleastfourcharactersinlength
Do you have a gif of Buster's rant just before this?
TheMightyElk
Thank you for being on the ball with that gif
CirclejerqueDuSoleil
"Nazi always Czechmates" —@orgeezuz
Aruugala
Yes!! Gifs on point????
MrNight48
for the gif heist
TriPhotographer
I did Nazi that coming.
UserMcUserface
This is funnier than the comment you refer to
Santorrr
This is the type of shit that brings me here again and again.
orgeezuz
Nazi always Czechmates
MrMacGrath
That was clever.
PatrickSaindon
Maybe she should be saying "I bet you did nazi that coming" then
thornogsen
Why isn't this comment of the year.
ThankGodIts2017
I'm Czech and my family fled to the US b/c of the Axis invasion. This is 100% always the right response to this situation.
DarkMaster98
Nazi can already tell where your next piece is going to Poland
IusedtobeapervertIstillambutIusedtobetoo
Czech yourself before you Iraq yourself.
CorgiCircus
*stands* *slow clap*
Mimsey
iirc her name is NOT pronounced "not-see", but more like "naw-zee" or even "na-see" (a as in apple).
mobbatbarnmedautomatvapen
well, ze german's could say na-tji (or tj:i ?) not not...
ilovehotyogurttoo
Maybe they're a southerner who did naw see da comin
Mimsey
Southerners typically don't pronounce the "not". It'd be more like "did'n'see'tha`cummin"
mattattack666
Texan here, confirm. Did'n'see is common from me.
0101000001000101010011100100100101010011
But that's how you read Nazi in Turkish
aPokal
But. But it is pronounced Nah Zi. It's nationalist, not notionalist . . . I think there's a pun here. Anyone supporting this notion say PHIL
FishOnTheInternetz
And so is the word Nazi as a people-category. Speaking "Nazi" as in "not-see" is always the wrong way, except you make that overused pun.
Genbuthesaint
Yeah, but that's not as funny.
Mimsey
Neither is the Nazi = Not See joke. Jokes rely on subversion of expectations. Reusing a joke millions of times sets up expectations.
Genbuthesaint
I disagree. If seeing a joke made it no longer funny, we wouldn't have Memes.
TheGreatAku
I bet you have lots of friends that value your company highly.
Mimsey
I do. Not so sure about you, if you respond to articulate explanations with "I bet nobody likes you!"
Dramacian
Using a right wing nationalist xenophobic pseudo-feminist (LePen) example for women's right IS NOT A BRIGHT IDEA !!
Altairsfarewell
The fact that many feminists are not standing up to this clear-cut example of patriarchy and women's oppression is a disgrace. It's one of
Altairsfarewell
the reasons the right in many European countries is gaining strength. Fringe parties are becoming contenders because of the left's waffling
Dramacian
1/2 This is an example of cultural patriarchy indeed, many more take place in western countries, the obvious hidden ones. Have you seen >
Dramacian
2/2 Lebanese news about it ? Lebanese feminists exist. They have their own fight, their own way. Right wings are NOT feminists.
JSteveWhite
I posted a link to LePen's behavior with "Not a fan, but when she's right, she's right". Which is true.
thesu
Many great minds in mankind's history have discussed the morality of doing the right thing for the wrong reasons. I politely disagree /w you
JSteveWhite
"She's wrong because she's bad" is also an ad hominem fallacy. More great minds have discussed doing the wrong thing for the right reasons.
thesu
Not talking about her as a person, but her narrative and previous statements make it apparent that she looked for a way to slam islam 1/
thesu
In the end she played everyone with a fake reach-out with the goal to deepen the divide between people instead of building bridges 3/3
thesu
To be frank, I'm kinda surprised they even invited her, seeing how she usually talks about islam. Seemed fishy from the get-go. 2/3
Squossifrage
Regarding #8 I'd like to point out that MLP did not object because she's a feminist, but because she's a racist and islamophobe.
Tempcore
She did because a higher religious authority in Islam didn't ask it of her, so she said those people shouldn't ask it either. So i've heard
phenompy
I knew someone else would notice how racist and facist and some other buzzword My Little Pony is.
spankatorium
Mein Little Pony; Freundschaft Ist Magie.
kittybuttwiggle
It's islamophobic if she does it? What other reason is there to reject an islamic custom besides not being okay with the way islam works?
Squossifrage
I didn't say “it's islamophobic if she does it”. I said she did it because she's islamophobic. Easy way to score points with her supporters.
kittybuttwiggle
Yes I'm almost certain it was publicity, it's just weird to me that everyone else gets to do this without it being an anti-islam statement
Squossifrage
Because “everyone else” does not go out of their way to create a situation that allows them to make a political point in front of reporters.
AVoiceOfReason
If Islam didn't make it so fucking easy to be criticised by forcing women into cloth bags, then not as many people would criticise Islam.
tzap
Her sole motivation was vote fishing. She knew perfectly well beforehand what would be asked of her, yet wanted to proceed with it.
AVoiceOfReason
Yet the fact remains she would have had to. That isn't less true just because she rejected it. Also, I applaud its publicity. Makes (1)
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AVoiceOfReason
And in doing so, she exposed some of the uglier parts of what it means to be a woman in the Middle East.
AVoiceOfReason
it pulled out into the light for all to see how Islam treats women and encourages other women to rise up and reject that bullshit.
EhIsForCanehdians
It's crazy to think that there was a time, not long ago, when Iranian women were very much free.
rando53
We can thank the CIA for overthrowing the democratically elected government and laying the groundwork of Khomeini's revolution.
HistoricallyAroused
Out of two revolutions occurring at the same time in Iran (a Left Wing one and a religious extremist one) the world got the worst of the two
plotruniumnyborgh
... and if not free, at least very affordable! In other news:
TheDaharMaster
For that matter, America too.
EdgarAllenshrimpPoeboy
thanks Ayatollah Kommeni, the worst person ever.
complimentpin
Guess who messed up iran?
CaramelLovin
Wonder who fucked that situation up
CthulhuWantedAPepsi
Starting to feel like America is starting to go that route. :(
Rexli78
Yeah then the United States put a Dictator in charge (the Shaw) because the Brits told us they were commies. And that led to this.
3654798521
Thanks, Obama
igivetheinternets
I thought that was funny....
Rexli78
It is
Coldshade
Or people named their child Nazi
HeinrichHiTheSSGuy
Yeah thx CIA
SoapyMammaryMasturbation
Yep. Then America installed a Dictator, and the religious fundamentalist resistance was the one that overthrew him.
EarthAnimalArmy
what dictator? Khomeini was the one the US supported, then he turned and bit the hand helping him, he fooled Carter completely and utterly
EarthAnimalArmy
the US supported the Shah for a long time
dragonraven13
It's disgusting, how much America and Soviet-Russia wrecked a lot of nice places, and nice people.
cloudliss
I'd like to introduce you to this thing called the British Empire.
RheaButt
To be fair everyone was colonizing Africa back then, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Portugal, and Belgium, fuckin everyone
aesthesia1
give religion an inch...
webimgur
I hope you are not in the US. You cannot say such things in the US because they are so racist.
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CocaineAndSelfPleasure
So the western world should always step in to topple governments and install rulers that favor our interests. Got it.
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CocaineAndSelfPleasure
Point is that we can't predict the outcome so it's probably best to keep a Laissez-faire approach in many instances.
PersonalityFire
I don't think anyone said they were free under the Shah, but under his predecessor, Mosaddegh, who was an elected secularist.
dragonraven13
So the level of freedom did not change?
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dragonraven13
So did the level of freedom did not change?
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NewCrobuzonCitizen
And yet everybody hate Assad, that actually was keeping Syria free of this islamic rules.
YourMumKnowsMe
Yeah but he gasses people.
SardonicGrin
Yeah but he has this annoying tendency to extract revenge on his own citizenry.
NewCrobuzonCitizen
That might be true but do you think Pahlavi was any better ? It wasnt exactly dream country before revolution either.
orgeezuz
Technically, Iranians were not "very free" under the monarch. But then again...
EarthAnimalArmy
versus today, they were extremely free, but hey, you go live in both and decide which was better
PersonalityFire
Iranians were very much free under their democratically elected PM, Mosaddegh. Then the CIA/BP overthrew him to install the Shah.
MidiArbite
Iffy how long they'd have stayed free. Bear on the border and all that.
PersonalityFire
They would have been on a far better trajectory than living under a puppet state who black bagged dissidents.
MidiArbite
The UK exaggerated the threat of falling completely to communism, but it was not a small threat.
kingloofa455
For anyone interested, the Book (and also brilliant Animated movie) PERSEPOLIS does a beautiful job explaining this cultural transition.
PastryKingOfFrance
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thedreamcrusher
Thank you! I'll add this to my reading list.
tatadas
Do that.
maddasahatter
I'm just reading this now. So amazing!
faunty
Commenting because I can't favorite comments
meanjoegreene
PERSEPOLIS got it
raytaSelfieVillain
Excellent film. Never read the graphic novel.
pcheck00
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Rebeccadactyl
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butchbirch
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tatadas
Yes, I've read it. The illustrations are so simple yet so expressive.
GreenBloodedPointyEaredBastard
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JuliaVT
It is a graphic novel so lotsa images and stuff for the people who don't like words
TheRickestofMortys
They also turned it into a French animated film. For people who don't like turning pages.
MostIndeedlySo
Also, good for people who don't read good but are really, really ridiculously good-looking.
kingloofa455
What is this....a reply for ants?
aStrangerVoid
1. And the Swedish politicians in the OP spoke with Iranian leaders about human rights and equality issues when they were there.
parsious
and they still shouldn't have had to adopt religious practices that were not their own.
raidleadergutts
Lol that just means they gave up their rights right before talking about human rights. Typical brainwashed liberals.
jacquesrobespierre
You are a great fool.
jacquesrobespierre
You are a great fool.
aStrangerVoid
2. Funny how the OP leaves that little detail out. http://www.government.se/articles/2017/02/prime-minister-stefan-lofven-visited-iran/
EarthAnimalArmy
so this makes it alright? Sweden should never be talking to Iran about Human rights except in a World Court against Iran for violating them
Blackheartedsilphy
Normally, I'd downvote stupid comments, but in this case I wont, because it's important people see this thread. It does -not- matter what -
Blackheartedsilphy
the talks were about. If one side demands you violate your own personal freedom, before they will speak to you, then you have two options.
Blackheartedsilphy
You either refuse the talks for the time being, or you lose the talks, by allowing someone else to violate and dictate you. Doesn't matter
aStrangerVoid
But in this case if they'd symbolically stood for their beliefs then they might not have been able to influence Iran in a meaningful way.
Blackheartedsilphy
I'm sorry, I wholeheartedly disagree. If you cannot meet a fellow leader on equal terms, and have to approach as the lesser, you are not
WhatzitTooya
Extremism does wonders. Not the good ones, though...
emjaysea
And like all forms of extremism, it's imperialsim that paves the way: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'état
WilwoWaggins
And the defenders think it can't happen here.
ASackOfPotatoes
You can blame the US for this one too.
BeyzEU
Yeah, good thing there's not any other major nations turning to extremism right now.. Oh
donlocke
Well after the US basically orchestrated a coup in Iran favour of a dictatorship, it's hardly any wonder..
EarthAnimalArmy
the Intel Community said it was risky to overthrow the Shah? and US officials met Khomeini thought him a holy man, so supported him vs Shah
SonsOfMoog
Chickens coming home to roost.
NobleSavant
Yeah, those women sure had it coming. Such appropriate karma for this to happen to them after the US meddled.
zohboh1357
Yeah I know right. Oklahoma just passed a bill where women have to get PERMISSION from men in order to get an abortion. My state is nuts.
ShowALK
Yeah, screw not killing babies.
ThatsmysecretImalwaysrelevant
I used to work at PPH. There are already guys who convince to keep the child then leave after a bit. There's no equal resolution,but this...
MastaFong11
I thought NC was crazy, but OK one up us.
RandAIFlagg
"Hold my bible." - Texas
darkdragonempress
Texas does suck, but in fairness to my state once the kid's born they do try to help. Gov assistance and adamant about getting child support
CIAtimetravelinghitlerkiller
I mean its technically his kid too
malbec
Men in general?! Or the potential father who could possibly be losing a child.... wow talk about hatebait. You must really dislike men!
Horseymcfaceyface
Sorry that I don't want someone forced to carry a child against their will
malbec
No you'd much rather have a child stolen and the parents choice remived
JohnVaddic19
Damn, seriously? Your state sucks.
zohboh1357
https://www.google.com/amp/www.mercurynews.com/2017/02/14/oklahoma-lawmaker-wants-fathers-permission-for-abortions/amp/
EarthAnimalArmy
provide your source, cause as right now, you are a LIAR, we have no such law in OK that states that
AllTheWittyNamesWereTaken
Holy fuck! That's ridiculous. Does the law at least have exceptions for rape victims?
MrNameisme
Unsure about OK, but I believe Texas just passed one which does not.
zohboh1357
Thankfully I think it's supposed to. It doesn't have provisions for people in abusive relationships. At least at this point.
beetlenoodlepoodlebottlespaddledmuddledduddledfuddledfoxinsocks
I assume this has to do with the father having equal rights to the kid, and not parental/whatever, right?
FoxySpirit
But then it's a 50/50 split and the pro birth party wins by default.
zohboh1357
On official records, that's it's purpose. It gives way too much power to the dad though. I'm all for equal rights, but this isn't it.
TheDeanofLean
But he is the father of the child as well. What do you do?
beetlenoodlepoodlebottlespaddledmuddledduddledfuddledfoxinsocks
It does seem difficult. I understand the motivation, and support the idea behind it; I hope that given time, they'll moderate it.
blacksteve
In fairness the Shah's rule was corrupt and liked to suppress / jail dissenters, so not a wonderland either.
EarthAnimalArmy
Shah was secular, knew the dangers of Islamic extremism, gave women rights, and not a dictator, he was the Shah,
curlytravels86
The US put the Shah in power, so it's our fault
Rexli78
We should never have gotten involved with Iran. If we hadn't help the Brits over throw their PM in 1951 this wouldn't have ever happened.
dietderpsy
The Iranians only have themselves to blame, they could have just installed a democratic government.
Rexli78
They did until we over threw it, and then two decades latter they over threw it.
dietderpsy
After that, choosing a Theocracy was their own choice, no one else is to blame for that decision.
faunty
Oil. Can't think of much good comes from it....or rather the acquisition of it
CoBr2
Only reason they were ever westernized in these first pictures is because the west was there for their oil...
CrotchetyBOFH
But at least he was a secular dictator who was completely rational in comparison.
EarthAnimalArmy
Not a Dictator but King, he was royal from long line of royals, but the US couldn't
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CrotchetyBOFH
You assume incorrectly. I don't believe the USA should meddle in other countries.
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TheRealSirGregorCleganeTheMountain
The Iraq invasion is widely considered by everybody who know what they're talking about to have been a mistake...
blacksteve
There's rationale behind all the Revolutionary stuff. They're just aimed at very different objectives.. which of course are awful.
CrotchetyBOFH
Absolutely. I understand why the revolutionaries wanted a change from the Shah. But I trust theocracy even less than other dictators.
blacksteve
I meant that theocracy is rational. It starts with different axioms and different objectives, but the logic does flow. Agreed untrustable.
JustAnotherGuyFromHere
Volleyball team 1966 x 2016 https://toptopic.com/data/posts/images/w4hahfab7at5cpmgapasneyisuq9axeu.jpg
misskittyamazing
That makes me worse than sad. That makes me feel despair. I couldn't tell you why, it just does.
Smugglecats
I think because people think Iran has always been that way and don't realize it was like this before which means it could happen anywhere.
misskittyamazing
No I knew what it was before. Read Perepolis at a young age. But I guess actually seeing it so blatantly laid out makes it more real.
CheekoTay
Unbelievable
Honeymustered
What's Unbelievable? They went from shorts to pants + head cover. What's the crazy part?
sleepyimgurian
Mind Blowing - So sad.
noctynight
Whoaaaaaa
sausageforscale1
Not trying to start a race debate, but notice different complexions and how the left side looks white and european where as the right isn't.
JustAnotherGuyFromHere
Old photo, film camera, flash, diferent technology. Here are some more photos of Iran: http://www.parstimes.com/sports/women/history/
ThePlayerFormerlyKnownAsYesfredfred
I had no idea things changed so much in living memory
svga
aha, they started letting men play
Snuffdigit
SPORT!
JuicyManFartsAgainstFeminism
Holy shit. That's awful. I only fart against radical fem-NAZIS, not feminism in general. Oh shit, that doesn't work here either. THAT NAME!
JuicyManFartsAgainstFeminism
Okay, suck my nuts everyone... It was a funny joke related to my funny username.
ImmaNeedBoutTreeFiddy
What
Generricwhiteman
Democracy is always one generation from extinction.
SgtPlasmax
Socialized democracy like Cuba had, or Venezuela current has will fail. Capitalism needs to be trusted, the communist influence always fails
penguin002
Capitalism cannot be trusted because it's innate flaw is it's an honour system that rewards being a cunt.
1Plebian
Its a system where everyone is suspected/expected to be a cunt. Much more effective to build from there than from the other way around.
Baja2185
Noooo, man are you confused. Capitalism REQUIRES that I give you something YOU want in exchange for something I want. There is nothing
SuperPickle17
The second picture isn't a sports team, that's just Muhammad's 14 wives. He has'em numbered...
SuperPickle17
because it's hard to tell them apart when their face is covered.
OneMiniMuffin
Nice
SuperPickle17
Man, imgur is such a hypocrite. :/
CasualAsshole
They're way too old for his tastes.
SuperPickle17
And less goat like.
matsaikat
Proof that a nation can go backward. (so is current USA)
Ecne
no worries, Trump will save you from that ;)
SgtPlasmax
Woman dont have these restrictions in the western world (including USA) unless immigrated Islamist no-go zones are what you're talking about
Curiousone545
the point was that governments make a difference, and religious extremism can get out of hand, and destroy peoples lives rapidly. The pic 1
Curiousone545
2)shows that women in Iran were able to dress as they wanted, then their gov was overthrown & extremism replaced it. they're not free. awful
vauhtihirmu
I think they're warning against making a time travel trip to the 1930s and -40s in Europe and the US.
TrentSteel1
It was called Operation Ajax
xuvial
What the fuck happened??
Curiousone545
Gov overthrown, religious extremists took over-return of women's "rights" to the 13th century. People need to fight for rights, gone so fast
SirDuckOnQuack
Well Islam, if followed by the book completely, supports male superiority. I despise Islam, not all Muslims though.
ragekritz
Us funded someone to fight Russia, then turned over to a theocracy
thefar
Le Pen is a freakin Nazi. Just don't...
RJMacReadyTheThing
I've heard that word "nazi" thrown around even more than usually lately. You might as well be shouting "witch" or "heretic" It means nothing
thefar
Holy shit people. Google the fucking word. Nazi means National or nationalist socialist. And that is her. And that was the NSDAP.
RJMacReadyTheThing
Yeah thats how their using the word for sure, we're all freaking out over nothing.
thefar
Who's they? I'm using this word like this. I call dogs dogs, birds birds and what should I call a nationalist socialist? Alt-right?
Degenhardt
I agree. Using Le Pen in this argument is a kick in one's own behind.
thefar
That was mainly, my point. I get that, people are against something. But using obvious characters like Le Pen for such things. Bad.
Veinyp3n15
You're all pussies
thefar
Thanks for the input in to the conversation. Always nice to hear such eloquently formulated objections.
HeinrichHiTheSSGuy
Since europe is flooded with refugees everyone is voting far right
thefar
Yeah. Because it's better to be in a totalitarian regime under a far right government, instead of taking care of the actual issues.
Radix865
It's just populism, people are scared and it's easy to make promises and make the present leaders look bad, even if they're not at fault.
thefar
But those are the people that elect these idiots. They're promised unachievable things through dubious methods and they buy it.
Radix865
People who are scared, angry or stupid(or all 3) are often willing to take their chances even with obvious lies.
dryerlint777
Remember when Nazis elected a female leader because they were so egalitarian? Peppridge farm remembers.
PeculiarBaguette
*The daughter of the founder of the party, remember ?
thefar
Female, Gay, Hipster Nazis are still Nazis. I don't fucking care how modern they sell themselves... They still are fucking Nazis.
Tinymurder
You keep using this word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
thefar
world views and ideas common to the third reich / Hitler/ NSDAP. So your gender or whatever does not protect you from being a FUCKING NAZI!
Tinymurder
True, gender doesn't stop you from being a nazi. Sexuality, however, does stop you from being a nazi. So do political leanings. 1/?
thefar
Nazi is a German word and an abbreviation. It stands for national socialist. But in common tung refers to people who behave or share 1/2
thefar
*tongue - What's a tung. Didn't even get that autocorrected...
Voidkom
What a poor nazi she makes too, wanting democracy and liberty in France, and giving power to the people.
jtbrinkmann
Hitler tried to bring liberty to Germany* and giving power to its people, too. *(see Treaty of Versailles)
thefar
God the defense of these people. All these 'right wing parties' are imitating NSDAP. You point that out. They get butthurt.
Voidkom
Ah, so the true antifascists are totalitarian? Gotcha.
Lilshadow48
I'm not versed in french politics, so what makes you say that?
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VinnieJonesDiary
I'm pretty certain that France is a sovereign nation, it just happens to be part of a coalition of sovereign nations brought together in 1/2
VinnieJonesDiary
the name of economic advancement and not slaughtering each other every 20 years, a coalition where France has a great deal of power. 2/2
Havok707
Plus she knew it was asked of her to wear that, by coming she basically agreed. came in anyways and refused when pressed with it.
thefar
in public. People took this as a moderate step. Motherfucker was just blowing her cover. That's all. 2/2
Mushroombadger
Anti immigration and anti Islam so pretty much a literal nazi right?
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Mushroombadger
No actually I don't I'm not well versed in the entire history of the FN since I'm not a Frenchie and it's not really relevant to me. I've
Mushroombadger
looked into LePenn now that she has become relevant. Which is who the commenter was asking about.
TyroneJamalson
Literally ten times worse than the holocaust
thefar
She is the leader of a "right wing" party that had to remove her own father from the party because he wouldn't stop shouting Nazi shit 1/2
PopeFrancisoftheFilth
So her dad said Nazi things but she's the Nazi. Ok
thefar
No. Her own talk makes her one. But knowing that she "inherited" a party from her dad, makes it obvious. You're not from europe, are you?
PopeFrancisoftheFilth
I'm just criticizing the logic. I studied European politics man, I'm not saying they're wrong
ItsThoseZanyGermans
Marine Le Pen as a 21st century, feminist civil rights champion? No thanks. Fuck those misogynist bastards & there suppressive bullshit 1/.
WhyShouldILoveYou
She did the right thing, even if it was for the wrong reasons. Whereas the "feminist govt." of Sweden just ignored the feminists in Iran 1/2
WhyShouldILoveYou
https://www.unwatch.org/walk-shame-swedens-first-feminist-government-don-hijabs-iran/ is full of sources, would take ages to post all here.
WhyShouldILoveYou
who asked them not to submit as foreigners they didn't need to and later called them out on their hypocrisy.
ItsThoseZanyGermans
to the moon & back, but my enemy's enemy is not my friend. She, Trump & all other populists are nothing but wannabe SS-Sturmbandführer 2/.
keyboaJumper
Just keep calling them Nazi's. You don't sound elitist at all
PinkertonDilliums
You are the one person on here who doesn't call people they don't agree with, nazis. Thank you for this.
ItsThoseZanyGermans
in business suits, who oversimplify & play their uneducated, enraged lackies for a fool in a psychotic, fascist power grab.
Squossifrage
*lackeys
PeculiarBaguette
Agreed.
Misha49
Yea, I heard she already built 3 gas chambers...what a crazy Nazi
PeculiarBaguette
Please, her party is known to support neo-nazi parties in Europe, the very founder of this party called Holocaust a "detail".....
ItsThoseZanyGermans
Are you always jumping to the extreme? Not what I said. She wouldn't get away with camps, but one doesn't need those to be a fascist.
Voidkom
lol yeah he's the one jumping to the extreme.
Misha49
Can't you be slightly nationalistic without being a Nazi?
TheyCallMeTheDoc
I hate when we say second class citizens and refer to how women are treated in most Middle East Muslim nations. Women aren't treated 1/2
mickytease
I think you need to read a description of what a second class citizen is. What you are describing is exactly the definition.
MagicalSpaceWaffle
I think they mean the word citizen shouldn't even be used in labeling them due to the type of treatment they receive. More like property
TheyCallMeTheDoc
Thank you magicalspacewaffle
movethebongos
Where do you get your info? I'm Iranian I haven't seen any of the things you speak of.
27yoUGLYvirgin
https://www.hrw.org/news/2015/10/28/womens-rights-iran are you going to respond to this? It honestly would be telling if you didn't.
FlysaMinelly
This sort of thing doesn't happen in Iran its more Saudi or maybe Sudan pooooosibly Afghanistan
wonder89
Yet we are great friends with the Saudis.
FlysaMinelly
Really? That I didn't know.
EarthAnimalArmy
highly doubt you are and Iranian in Iran, as you would have to be violating Iranian laws to visit this site
TheyCallMeTheDoc
Where do I get my info? I travel through most countries providing medical care. I've not been to Iran though if I'm being honest.
TheyCallMeTheDoc
But I've met many who have been and I hear all the same. Your government though at least doesn't give a shit about anyone so I suppose 1/2
TheyCallMeTheDoc
That's kind of like equality?
wonder89
What would happen to you if you went dancing?
TheyCallMeTheDoc
Men dance only together and hold hands
ShadowbanMyAss
Probably more prominent in rural areas than urban ones
TheyCallMeTheDoc
As any kind of citizen. Women are owned like a man owns a dog. Go for a walk? Better have a man of the family to walk you. Don't speak 2/3
LostLocust
Huh? Which countries are speaking of? I've met many women from MENA touristing abroad alone.
TheyCallMeTheDoc
The ones I go, Libya, Iraq, Afghan,Syria, Yemen, parts of Somalia, I've never been to Iran. Pakistan, parts of Egypt.
27yoUGLYvirgin
Without taking sides, that is like saying I have met many progressive people in a progressive country. Yeah, it's not like the backwards
27yoUGLYvirgin
And oppresses ones get to travel, let alone alone. Obviously the ones you do see are not being treated that way. Many others are.
LostLocust
parent spoke pretty much in absolutes ...
TheyCallMeTheDoc
Either to anyone else besides your husband or youll be killed and don't let your young six year old daughter play with boys her age or 3/4
jonnefa
Refugees in Finland complained about the food they get, one of them said on national tv that this food could be fed to dogs or women only.
TheyCallMeTheDoc
Honestly though their women know how to cook some good food! Lamb, rice, carrots. They put lil nuts in the rice too and I eat so much bread!
ursulaiguaran
That is not true. He said the food is no good, it's what he'd give to a dog, and for women [the quality of the food] is a problem.
theswedishguy
you just reapeated what he said with a slightly diffrent wording
TheyCallMeTheDoc
Dip her hand in boiling oil. No. Certainly not citizens
DoughSlayer
Wow, dude. Have you seen Not Without My Daughter one too many times?
TheyCallMeTheDoc
Dont know what that is- but I've spent maybe 6-7 of the past 10 years worth of my life working in the nation's im talking about. Seen that
ICantThinkOfAU
While I can't think of any middle eastern nation off the top of my head that actually treats women well, this sounds a bit 1/
ICantThinkOfAU
sanctimonious to me. You go on about how you hate that phrase because it belittles the issue, while saying every middle eastern country 2/3
ICantThinkOfAU
is on the level of Saudi Arabia... Which guess what, is pretty fucking insulting to the women trapped in that hellhole of a nation. 3/3
TheImperiumOfMan78
How progressive! We need more of these people in our countries!
payamsaid13
you know, those people didn't write those laws but grew up with them. im not justifying or defending that type of behaviour but why does
Chinwekewa
hypnokrote
Do you believe our culture is so weak that they will never be influenced to change?
Butane9000
And yet pointing out how the hijab is a symbol of oppression is somehow wrong in some political circles.
WizardOfRaz
It's a symbol of oppression for people forced to wear it. Most Muslim women outside of Saudi and Iran don't wear it and no one cares
silverkoi
That's a gross oversimplification. One can be forced to do something without being physically made to do it. Tacit oppression is a thing.
malbec
Social circles as well
NexiKuro
Two things, one: The hijab as a symbol of oppression while true is kind of a one note topic that has already been beaten to death. 1/2
NexiKuro
And two: so is Che but you don't see people clamoring everywhere to have his likeness banned from t-shirts.
Butane9000
Because there's a certain sweet irony that a communist is having his likeness sold and printed on shirts for money.
tehwilsonator
Che at least had a history of killing previous oppressors to work in his favor, branding-wise. The hijab doesn't have that.
NexiKuro
I'm sure Muhammad disposed of his share of oppressors in his time as warlords are wont to do.
tehwilsonator
Sure, but Muhammad and the hijab aren't really related, and the disconnect is centuries. We're talking branding, not logic.
TheGhostOfHarambe
Because outside of Iran and KSA, women actually aren't legally forced to wear one.
theslyfox
Dingdingdingdingdingdingdingdingding! Ill take Secularity for 500 Donald!
silverkoi
They can be tacitly forced to though, via social norms, fear of being ostracized/shamed.
TheGhostOfHarambe
Isn't that true for virtually every social norm in any given society?
silverkoi
Of course, but we can still point out that some norms are oppressive to women, even if the women choose to follow them.
TheGhostOfHarambe
To people from different cultures, sure. For most people living in that culture, not really.
poilk91
its a complex issue. Laws in some majority Muslim nations that force women in restrictive clothing or suffer horrible consequences is...
poilk91
of course oppressive and indicative of deeper even more oppressive practices. At the same time when a woman isn't FORCED to wear a hijab...
poilk91
it can be a simple piece of cultural attire that is part of one's identity. Thus attacking wearing the hijab in a safe country helps no one.
AIComments
Are the head coverings that the amish wear for religious reasons a symbol of oppression?
silverkoi
Of course they are.
YouAreSoStupid
Imo, yes, it is a symbol of oppression too. Tbh the amish aren't really women's rights friendly, or that's how I perceive them at least.
FlamboyantTitans
People portray the Amish as peaceful people who like to make butter but they're about as odd and cruel as any other extreme fundamentalists.
tercicatrix
Oh dear god yes. Many Amish women are treated worse than their husband's dogs, literally eating scraps. Lots of anorexic Amish women.
Predicto
Is have women cover their breasts while men go topless nothing but oppression too? Because we do that here.
theslyfox
Oh shut the fuck up
poilk91
In 2014 in Iran a dozen women had acid thrown i their face for wearing a hijab with western clothing or some hair exposed its not the same
RandAIFlagg
True. We just fine and/or jail them, rape them in the cell, then kill them in the back of the police truck.
poilk91
Yes that is what we do to people for not covering their shoulders in church you are correct and totally not trivializing a real issue
RandAIFlagg
Yes, condemning police brutality is trivializing it. Go fuck yourself you jingoistic piece of shit.
silverkoi
It's actually legal in many places for women to be topless.
Butane9000
Yes. But then again there's some basics like public decency. The hijab is a requirement of religious texts not social restrictions.
Predicto
Actually, it is both. To them, it is a basic question of public decency.
Butane9000
Why, because without the hijab men can't control themselves around women? That's an insult to women's rights.
Predicto
Why, because without a shirt and bra on men can't control themselves around women? That's an insult to women's rights.
holyspaghetti
Please PLEASE do NOT associate Marine Lepen with this story, she is a racist and a facist.
Dyslexicglove
I think I am that too. Racist by traditional definitions of recognising race. Though I wouldnt say she is a fascist.
Dyslexicglove
There cetainly are those who are, but she doesnt seem to be much in favor of an authoritarian government, so Ibdont think she fits that term
Voidkom
No she's not you utter cunt, one of her main goals is reintroducing referendums. Less fascist than both the french right and left.
Fitzandthefool
Was about to write the same thing, fuck marine lepen
Sasuhol
Did she not go to a place where it would be customary to wear a Hijab, but then she refused just to arouse people?
holyspaghetti
Yes
Deeaitchpee
You throw those big words around like an angry teenager.
holyspaghetti
I am an angry adult
RJMacReadyTheThing
I don't know man, didn't the other one sit with a hijab on in a back room for like an hour before she was seen? No balls for sure on her.
Mimsey
Critics of Nazi, at least one writer I saw, called Nazi a literal Nazi for refusing to "honor muslim culture".
Yavin1v
she went to their country and asked for a meeting
OkeywanKadokey
When they don't respect HER culture enough to let her dress as she normally would.
Havok707
Poor girl with a name like that..
DarthReznor
I'll take her over those swedes
Dez1013
Look at their post history. They even have Milo in there, surprise surprise.
omgbs
you know this is from his videos right and that they keep hitting fp?
raidleadergutts
What does Milo have anything to do with this?
Veinyp3n15
You're a pussy
SuperDuperMissile
not the first time she is in a nazi post.
HeinrichHiTheSSGuy
Look whats going on in paris with all that muslim extremists. I would vote for her too
beartee
good thing you are not french then
holyspaghetti
Oh, do tell me what's going on in Paris that justifies voting for her please.
AVoiceOfReason
I'm tired of hearing the words "Nazi, racist, and fascist" now. They have lost literally all meaning because they're thrown around casually.
Leithreas
They aren't thrown around casually so much as pertinent to current situations.
PacomeDeCardognac
the fn party was founded by ex-members of ss charlemagne and collaborateurs. Its not a euphemism.
EdRidz73
And the democrats in the US was the sameparty that supported slavery, stood against womens rights and created the KKK..should we judge them?
PacomeDeCardognac
Yes. If their policies still represent this (and there are without a shadow of a doubt racist Dems, as well as tolerant Reps), then yes.
FPAwperbad
Being opposed to unlimited immigration without assimilation != being a literal nazi
Yavin1v
she's a holocasut denier and guilty in the eyes of the law of making hate speech, is that enough for ya ?
FPAwperbad
When the fuck did she deny the holocaust? Quit making stuff up.
FPAwperbad
She literally kicked her own father out of the party because he still denied the holocaust. Downvote all you want, you're still wrong.
Yavin1v
kicked because she was forced to by other members of her party, look it up
FPAwperbad
You provide the sources when you make a claim or I don't believe you have any evidence at all. Everything I can find says she did it herself
thecyprus
I agree, reading up on her, I'd classify her as xenophobic.
PeculiarBaguette
"Nazi" is here used since her father, the founder of her party, denied that Holocaust ever existed, and also because she has been 1/2
AVoiceOfReason
I am always careful to not lay the blame of a parent on their child. You can be in a party and not agree with 100% of its older tenets.
PeculiarBaguette
Agreed, but you can't become the head of a party who's founder and leader for more than 30 years happens to be your father without agreeing
PeculiarBaguette
To the party's line. Made by her father.
FPAwperbad
And she divorced her own father from the party. What more do you want?
PeculiarBaguette
She divorced after 11 years, and not at his 1st racist declaration, only after Philippot advised her to change the line of the party.
PeculiarBaguette
Self-called "de-demonizing" the FN. Now the people voting for her father are mainly still voting for her. Because she kept the ideas.
PeculiarBaguette
Affiliated and supporting some European neo-nazi political associations such as WNP (UK).
FPAwperbad
I can't find anything that links the WNP to the French FN.
PeculiarBaguette
As I just said... Griffin had being invited to a FN protest. The only reason you can't see it is because you don't want to.
PeculiarBaguette
So yes, nazi.
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holyspaghetti
The only reason she refused to wear the hijab is because she's a fucking facist, not because of women's right.
mikeatike
She may be a racist, but how can you praise one woman for doing this while shaming another?
theslyfox
Im sorry. How does that make her a facist, or if she already is, what is the relation? She shouldnt have to wear it...
Yavin1v
she was told moths ago if SHE wanted to meet the guy in lebanon she would hould have to wear that, she went to lebannon and then refused
theslyfox
Im not saying what she did isn't shitty in it's own right, but the fact that it was a viable oppurtunity to create a media frenzy makes 1/2
theslyfox
It clear that a lot of people focus on the fact that its shitty to expect someone to conform to your religious standards, just to meet
flaccidhope
She wanted to meet with a Muslim priest? You can walk around Lebanon without any Islamic dress it's a much freer country than most of the ME
TMeerkat
and you know this how?
Yavin1v
by the things she has said
Kierbear2g
Because Marine Le Pen's policies are well known to anybody who keeps track of right wing ultra-nationalist movements?
holyspaghetti
Because I've been following the news.
TMeerkat
Ditto. Far right? sure. Fascist? not so much. Like i said, not a fan but its intellectually dishonest to call her fascist.
holyspaghetti
You see, that is why she is dangerous. She makes people forget what she really is.
NavigatorBlack
Because not everyone ignores politics.
TMeerkat
So that makes you a mind reader does it? handy trick to have.
NavigatorBlack
So, that's a yes to ignoring politics. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/20/marine-le-pen-trial-charged-anti-muslims-hate-speech
TMeerkat
Unless she came out of that room saying "its not that i disagree with the hijab, i just hate brown people" seems a tad unlikely.
cokain
Because she's a candidate to the French presidential
WhoLetThePotatoesOut
I'm not even French, but she terrifies me.
TMeerkat
I know who she is and while I'm far from a fan i think its a bit hysterical to call her a fascist.
TyroneJamalson
In internet everyone that desagrees with me are racist and fascist
LemonG34R
She is genuinely fascist, not like "Trump is fascist!" fascist.
raidleadergutts
Lol what a retarded thing to say. "This person chose not to wear oppressive clothing! What a fascist!!" - holyspaghetti
KaneVel
Her being a facist is irrelevant to the hijab case. He is facist because she is literally the leader of the far-right in France.
GuardsmanMiku
just her in particular, not in general
Yavin1v
she was told moths ago if SHE wanted to meet the guy in lebanon she would hould have to wear that, she went to lebannon and then refused
theslyfox
And its reasonable to demand that of her, As a political emissary?
Yavin1v
she was not an emissary she chose to be there and is the one who asked for the meeting, no one sent her there
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
I dunno, but the Catholics demand the same if you meet the Pope, so...
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
http://www.lastampa.it/2011/07/15/vaticaninsider/eng/the-vatican/meeting-the-pope-how-will-i-dress-H0cVUXhgYzluWKprwqPkAP/pagina.html
NavigatorBlack
Marine La Pen is a known islamophobe leading the National Front, and her father was a Nazi apologist.
ilikeblondehair
If you lived in France, you'd probably become an Islamophobe too. Source: a large part of my family is French.
cloudandtrains
its not phobia in france, its getting more and more rational, especially if you are gay
raidleadergutts
Islamophobia isn't a real thing. It's made up to demonize anyone opposing the darkness of islam.
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
Is antisemitism a real thing? Because I'm pretty sure I've heard arguments like your before somewhere...
LeviSmith
Who cares what her father was, its Irrelevant.
Abekrampe
Not if she is pushing his ideology...