As a firefighter I can not stress how dangerous and irresponsible that was. If you have a pet trapped in the home, you tell the incident commander so they can make a planned rescue. Running in solo, no bunker gear, no SCBA, no partner, no plan, no RIT team in place is asking for a dead pet, dead rescuer, and injured/dead firefighters. Not only did he risk himself, he risked anyone who had to go in after him.
Yah, after pets its the stuff that is priceless to try to save. My house burned down last week. My cat is my only inside animal and was frozen in place. Had to get him out from under the bed.
Hits hard. My house burned down last week. Got my cat out. Living in the woods the fire department took 45 minutes to get to me. I probably made 20 trips in until smoke was down to my waist. Dont wish it on my worst enemy.
My stepdad climbed into an overturned semi that was on fire to save the unconscious driver despite the firefighters, and paramedics telling him it was too dangerous to even go near the vehicle. They weren't gonna do it, and my stepdad decided someone was going to save that man.
I had a friend who did die after going back in to try to save his pet. I completely understand the drive, and would still likely do it myself, but I miss my friend.
He was! He and the creator of the show were old friends, so after a couple of small tweaks, Goat was a cartoon. Even got to do his own voice for the show.
This is the reason I never liked Ashley from Mass Effect. Her claim that a hunter would sic their dog on a bear to get away just isn't true. In fact a majority of bear attacks on hunters are because the hunter tries to save their dog from the bear.
100% dependent on the person. My dad fussed about me spending a few hundred dollars on a one-time surgery to fix an injury my cat had, because he thought that was too much money to spend on a pet. He would have just put her down.
Firefighters are professionals. Fully decked out in fire resistant gear, even THEY were resistant to going inside that raging inferno. That guy gambled with his life. But... love makes us do crazy things. Logic goes out the window. A firefighter would have had a much better chance to survive the attempt. If I was one of them, I'd have gone in for the owner's sake. A dog IS a family member.
My GG Kabeegee passed away early Dec. from heart complications. She was 12yo and I took it hard. Doxie's are personable, judgemental and the quintessential circus performer - both clown and acrobat. My son, who resides in Japan uttered the blasphemous set of words "It's just a dog". Bye son, I gotta go, we'll talk later
You can tell they were tempted, but the truth is that was a death trap. A very narrow passage beside vehicles filled with fuel, under a carport that collapse at any moment, going into an engulfed building. Expecting them to follow a guy running into the fire is insane.
I was helping out at an apartment complex that burned. Most of them were just partial shells left, and one guy I met was worried about his cat. It survived hiding in whatever back corner it found.
I ran into our house fire to get my other dog and nearly passed out from breathing all that smoke. It's way worse than what you see on TV. Stop drop and roll is easy to remember. In a panicked state "stay lower than the smoke" was immediately forgotten. Side note: that smoke you see on TV shows isn't remotely close to as black/thick as IRL(you wouldn't be able to see the acting). Was terrifying. I couldn't watch TV for many months(i'd tear up, get the shakes). Fire is on TV a LOT.
The issue with this is that water transfers heat better than air, so if you stand next to a fire and they hose it down, you'll be cooked alive. Same reason why you can be in a very hot dry sauna, but when you increase the moisture in the air you will instantly feel the heat.
Me neither! Glad to know now. Lower down someone mentions more smoke too which could make a person pass out. Guess these firefighters were following their training.
Yes but getting the guy soaking wet and then stopping to hose, would have been good. It gives him at least some protection. If its hot enough for the water to boil instantly the steam would have been the least of his worries.
Actually doing that is much worse because the water would conduct the heat much better. It works for small and quick things but in a huge fire like this it causes more severe burns
This being quick thing was what I basing my argument on. Water has some heat capacity so it will take some time to heat up and when you get out you can take the shirt off or they could hose it again. But this fire too large and the action too time consuming. You are right
Because its an extremely stupid thing to do. Don't get me wrong, I'd run in there for my dog too, but I wouldn't expect strangers to follow me because there is a stupidly high chance of getting hurt if not killed.
My dad's cousin was a fire chief in Manhattan, with an expertise in skyscrapers, during 9/11. He had to tell his men to stop going into the building. Every single one of them wanted to keep going in, and begged him to. They all would have died too if he had let them. Adding more dead or injured for responders to deal with isn't helpful. Someone needs to be practical in situations where people are reacting emotionally. Not a good idea to go in to get the dog.
Dunno how true this is, but a friend once told me that American firefighters are more likely to take risks running into buildings than European firefighters. The Americans have the same overall success rate saving people but a higher firefighter mortality rate.
Speaking purely practically...if no one goes in, the dog dies. Therefore, it is a good idea to go get the dog. Is it dangerous? Of course. Being risky does not eliminate something from being the correct choice.
A live responder can help far more than a dead one. The job isn't just to run into burning buildings, the job is to control the fire. An out of control fire will endanger far more people and pets. A risk vs reward calculus is performed everytime the make the choice to save a life. If they didn't, who would be left to fight the fire?
demosteness
Fuck that
Quirks512
As a firefighter I can not stress how dangerous and irresponsible that was. If you have a pet trapped in the home, you tell the incident commander so they can make a planned rescue. Running in solo, no bunker gear, no SCBA, no partner, no plan, no RIT team in place is asking for a dead pet, dead rescuer, and injured/dead firefighters. Not only did he risk himself, he risked anyone who had to go in after him.
kaijuuGold
where do i send the steaks and henny
OMGamIImguringCorrectly
Oh! There's a guy running into fire! Better turn off the hose!
khaoselement
The Internet has ruined me. Fully expected him to come out with his MTG Rares binder or something.
derpman4k
THERE GOES MY HEROOOOO
Loneontherange
There are some things that have to be done. You die trying or you can't live with yourself for not.
kathlTvVillain
Material Possessions can be replaced,
Your Best Friend can't
pillsburydroboy
Yah, after pets its the stuff that is priceless to try to save. My house burned down last week. My cat is my only inside animal and was frozen in place. Had to get him out from under the bed.
kathlTvVillain
I'm so Sorry about your house, hope no one was hurt, so glad you got your cat, Poor thing must have been petrified.
BorderlineBunny
I get it. This year there was a fire in my apartment complex. The first thing I did was getting my two cats out.
pillsburydroboy
Hits hard. My house burned down last week. Got my cat out. Living in the woods the fire department took 45 minutes to get to me. I probably made 20 trips in until smoke was down to my waist. Dont wish it on my worst enemy.
Leaps
So sorry to hear, that is tragic. I hope you start doing better in the new year.
retailguy
In a heartbeat! Just like I'd go after the rest of my family!
zortroz
DumbandConfused
My stepdad climbed into an overturned semi that was on fire to save the unconscious driver despite the firefighters, and paramedics telling him it was too dangerous to even go near the vehicle. They weren't gonna do it, and my stepdad decided someone was going to save that man.
bakerguy1337
Somebody help him!(but not me).
devolutionary
I had a friend who did die after going back in to try to save his pet.
I completely understand the drive, and would still likely do it myself, but I miss my friend.
https://suffolktimes.timesreview.com/2023/02/scot-b-rienecker/
LuminoZero
He was Goat from MEGAs XLR?! Rock on, you glorious bastard.
devolutionary
He was! He and the creator of the show were old friends, so after a couple of small tweaks, Goat was a cartoon. Even got to do his own voice for the show.
mikebcarson
You are absolutely one of the best people.
Huor
Whew. I was afraid he was going to run out with an Xbox or something.
HypoMix
I was expecting beer
Avilan1972
This is the reason I never liked Ashley from Mass Effect. Her claim that a hunter would sic their dog on a bear to get away just isn't true. In fact a majority of bear attacks on hunters are because the hunter tries to save their dog from the bear.
CarInAVet
100% dependent on the person. My dad fussed about me spending a few hundred dollars on a one-time surgery to fix an injury my cat had, because he thought that was too much money to spend on a pet. He would have just put her down.
cytherians
Firefighters are professionals. Fully decked out in fire resistant gear, even THEY were resistant to going inside that raging inferno. That guy gambled with his life. But... love makes us do crazy things. Logic goes out the window. A firefighter would have had a much better chance to survive the attempt. If I was one of them, I'd have gone in for the owner's sake. A dog IS a family member.
Andunistar
Someone give that man sloppy head right this second...
thosearntpillows
SMarkt
TalkingBehindMyBackInFrontOfMyFace
My GG Kabeegee passed away early Dec. from heart complications. She was 12yo and I took it hard. Doxie's are personable, judgemental and the quintessential circus performer - both clown and acrobat. My son, who resides in Japan uttered the blasphemous set of words "It's just a dog". Bye son, I gotta go, we'll talk later
xETM
The right words may not exist for the passing of a pet (or human too), but the wrongs words do exist, and those are them.
MeisterKleister
This happened in 2019, fyi. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nlv_atjHywc
cousteau
Probably was posted back then too. People are recycling old posts because we can't upload new videos.
cytherians
Still happening? It's maddening... some kind of server resource issue? Or did some Imgur developer screw up the code and they can't roll back?
cousteau
They probably found an even cheaper way to outsource video conversion, went with it without testing it before, and now can't go back.
mannabananarama
OK, I’m sure there’s a good reason. Someone who is a fireman tell me why the firemen didn’t go help?
EmeRgencyDrD
Fire hot
kwyjjibo
You can tell they were tempted, but the truth is that was a death trap. A very narrow passage beside vehicles filled with fuel, under a carport that collapse at any moment, going into an engulfed building. Expecting them to follow a guy running into the fire is insane.
mannabananarama
Thanks but to clarify, are you a fireman?
NoneOfYoBiseniss
I ran into a burning mobile home to save someones cats and almost died trying.
sonicthemariomasterchief
You're a fucking hero. And I'm not even being sarcastic. You deserve more than this upvote
burningeagle
t4d3jkVillain
PirateArrrgument
I'm glad you survived, and hope you succeeded in saving the cats- but even if you didn't, you are a good human being for trying.
counterintel
PhantomManPrebs
From the fire or the cats? Seriously though thank you.
wobblecopterrrr
xxPaulCPxx
I was helping out at an apartment complex that burned. Most of them were just partial shells left, and one guy I met was worried about his cat. It survived hiding in whatever back corner it found.
PosthumousExile
Thank you for your service 🫡
AngurProne
I ran into our house fire to get my other dog and nearly passed out from breathing all that smoke. It's way worse than what you see on TV. Stop drop and roll is easy to remember. In a panicked state "stay lower than the smoke" was immediately forgotten. Side note: that smoke you see on TV shows isn't remotely close to as black/thick as IRL(you wouldn't be able to see the acting). Was terrifying. I couldn't watch TV for many months(i'd tear up, get the shakes). Fire is on TV a LOT.
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wobblecopterrrr
I accidentally put popcorn in for 22 min instead of 2 once, thought the house was on fire, that smell was fkn awful...
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wobblecopterrrr
it burned the enamel on my microwave, it was foul...
ExTechOp
Burnt food is such a standard case for the fire department that an experienced fireman will immediately recognize the smell from something worse.
In Finnish fire department slang these cases are known as "nakit ja muusi" ("bangers and mash") https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangers_and_mash
johnblood616
Hell yeah. I ran into a burning laundry room at an old folks home and put out the fire.
Jimmitho
well… neat… but its no cat…
( I did upvote you 🫡)
Dannoboyo
What are you saying? It's just old people?
TheInternetNeedsMoreCats
You are my hero
thrashingcows
They couldn’t even continue to hose things down for the guy! What the actual Fuck!
Snooj
The water would boil instantly and then be all over him.
TwitchFox
Having accidentally breathed in steam accidentally while cooking chicken at work.
that much heat + that much water It would have scalded his lungs.
thrashingcows
Never considered the effect steam would have had, appreciate the knowledge smack down!
michiyl
Steam is in a higher state of energy, so it already carries more energy to begin with (otherwise it wouldn't be steam)
Barkinsons
The issue with this is that water transfers heat better than air, so if you stand next to a fire and they hose it down, you'll be cooked alive. Same reason why you can be in a very hot dry sauna, but when you increase the moisture in the air you will instantly feel the heat.
Efreeti
Same reason why you don't pick up a hot pan with a wet kitchen towel or pot holder
wobblecopterrrr
steam would be more dangerous.
thrashingcows
Never thought of that….thank you!
InconspicuousLampshade
Me neither! Glad to know now. Lower down someone mentions more smoke too which could make a person pass out. Guess these firefighters were following their training.
wobblecopterrrr
same deal in the cold, try not to sweat.
HermitBean
Yes but getting the guy soaking wet and then stopping to hose, would have been good. It gives him at least some protection. If its hot enough for the water to boil instantly the steam would have been the least of his worries.
Axelxdisepic
Actually doing that is much worse because the water would conduct the heat much better. It works for small and quick things but in a huge fire like this it causes more severe burns
HermitBean
This being quick thing was what I basing my argument on. Water has some heat capacity so it will take some time to heat up and when you get out you can take the shirt off or they could hose it again. But this fire too large and the action too time consuming. You are right
wobblecopterrrr
yeah, a dry wool blanket is the best thing most people have around.
Californiajackson
My god. They let him do that alone.
Isorikk
They're fire fighters, not stupid fighters. Well, actually now that I think about it more...
kwyjjibo
Because its an extremely stupid thing to do. Don't get me wrong, I'd run in there for my dog too, but I wouldn't expect strangers to follow me because there is a stupidly high chance of getting hurt if not killed.
johnblood616
Strangers in highly protective gear whos literal job it is to run into fires...
wobblecopterrrr
that dude is definitly crispy
cptunderpants
Any idea why they weren't spraying water over his head to try and mitigate his reckless actions?
AsocialOddDuck
Has others have said, steam: /gallery/Moa54lf/comment/2485247323
funone77
Also keeping in mind something like 70% of firefighters are a volunteer forces.
applesforjuice
My dad's cousin was a fire chief in Manhattan, with an expertise in skyscrapers, during 9/11. He had to tell his men to stop going into the building. Every single one of them wanted to keep going in, and begged him to. They all would have died too if he had let them. Adding more dead or injured for responders to deal with isn't helpful. Someone needs to be practical in situations where people are reacting emotionally. Not a good idea to go in to get the dog.
rockmanx853000
The lesser of two evils that someone in authority has to make a decision on.
CarInAVet
Dunno how true this is, but a friend once told me that American firefighters are more likely to take risks running into buildings than European firefighters. The Americans have the same overall success rate saving people but a higher firefighter mortality rate.
swofromtherock
Speaking purely practically...if no one goes in, the dog dies. Therefore, it is a good idea to go get the dog. Is it dangerous? Of course. Being risky does not eliminate something from being the correct choice.
Wyndynwyre
A live responder can help far more than a dead one. The job isn't just to run into burning buildings, the job is to control the fire. An out of control fire will endanger far more people and pets. A risk vs reward calculus is performed everytime the make the choice to save a life. If they didn't, who would be left to fight the fire?
swofromtherock
This isn't about the responders.
Wyndynwyre
The comment you were responding to was specifically about the responders and their decisions. If I missed your intent, im sorry.