Guys I don't want to sound patronising or anything, but please do try to you life your life so that when you die, your family doesn't pay money to a newspaper to announce to everyone in your region that you will now "face judgement".
Tell your story when you are alive, otherwise other people will decide your "truth" for you. This lady might have tomcatted around, or maybe she was assaulted and fled her abusers, or maybe she had a miscarriage or abortion, or maybe she was a terrible person. All we know is her kids hate her. We don't know if they hate the dad who abandoned them too. But they wish her to rot in hell for leaving them, which makes me think their grandparents, her parents, probably really sucked too.
Exactly this. We do not know anything about her reason for leaving or the circumstances of her life. We do know that the obituary makes no mention at all about the kid's father or uncle being involved in raising them, which lends credence to the assumption that there was more going on than just "some skank leaving her kids".
I've said it before and I'll say it again, death does not absolve your actions while you were alive. This whole, "Don't speak ill of the dead" bullshit is just that...bullshit.
Do you suppose they did a mean obituary for their dad who also apparently abandoned them to be raised by their grandparents, or is it only a problem when mom does it?
We don't know that. Given the time period it was possible that Dennis was seen as being unable to raise two small children on his own by society. Social stigma around single fathers was pretty high back then (still is, to be honest) and him being a single dad because his wife ran off with another man, his brother no less, was likely a massive source of shame. Of course, I could be completely wrong and he may have really abandoned them. Who knows?
You know now that we all know the stats on sexual assault, it’s not incoceivable that her brother in law raped her, got her pregnant. She could not face living with him in her social orbit. She left the kids with her parents so they wouldn’t be away from their dad and moved away from her rapist.
This is one of those British things that didn't translate well to the US... It's not supposed to be about that, it's supposed to be about letting go of it all so they don't have any further negative influence on your life. Being polite about it was a way to shut down the conversation. It's meant to come with a warning look at least.
If someone violates the 'shut up about dead asshole' rule then all bets are off, let 'em have it. You don't have to be polite if they're not.
A few years ago, a childhood classmate died in a motorcycle accident. He was generally known as an asshole (he even worked as Trump's chef at one point), so when another friend announced "[The asshole in question] apparently died. Cheers to that!", everyone cheered in agreement.
When my grandmother died we were asked to do an obituary, we knew she would have loved "and now she's dead" however the paper wouldn't allow it and another family members obituary was selected.
"In lieu of flowers, send Brenda more life" will always live rent free in my head, along with "she sang like a bird and looked like a bird and Brenda was a bird".
there is an old book called speaker for the dead, from the enders game series, in which there was a public movement for speakers who would investigate the life of the dead person and give a realistic eulogy rather than just some positive comments.
it had enough of an impact on my life when i was young that in my will i have a location for my own self made version i wish to be made public to those who care. i update it each year on my bday. kind of a blunt and realistic short story of my life.
When I was a kid I loved that book. Then in undergrad I met the author and he was an absolute dick and it ruined it for me.
Unfortunately, the author of that book is a grandson of Brigham Young, and it’s chock full of Mormon themes, to the point that it borders on Mormon propaganda:
Love those books, and the Enders shadow series…….unfortunate that Card himself is a massive bigot, but it’s one of those things of separating the art from the artist I guess
I refuse to separate art from artist. That is how fuckfaces continue to thrive. Kill OS Card, keep the books with a forward describing what a shit he was.
I have to disagree with this. If you don't separate the art from the artist then every work of art/music/literature that you like is conditional on you not knowing enough about the artist. Picasso and Beethoven drove lovers/family to suicide; David Bowie had sex with a 14 year old girl; Caravaggio murdered a man; John Lennon beat his wife Cynthia. Artists are often shit human beings even though the work they produce can be sublime.
Good to know. I think Lennon sucks, so no loss there. And I stand on my philosophy. If the artist is a SHIT person, the art is SHIT because it comes from SHIT. Maybe if we stop giving a pass to these fuckers, and increase our net emotional intelligence as a species, humans wouldn't be such SHIT overall.
Chaapai
I wish I could write my estranged father's obituary.
OperatorWay
Quixus
Everybody lights up the room. Some when they enter, others when they leave.
Telemapus
Guys I don't want to sound patronising or anything, but please do try to you life your life so that when you die, your family doesn't pay money to a newspaper to announce to everyone in your region that you will now "face judgement".
Darkwell
It's a low bar, but Kathleen managed to shimmy under it.
awholelotofnothin
Tell your story when you are alive, otherwise other people will decide your "truth" for you. This lady might have tomcatted around, or maybe she was assaulted and fled her abusers, or maybe she had a miscarriage or abortion, or maybe she was a terrible person. All we know is her kids hate her. We don't know if they hate the dad who abandoned them too. But they wish her to rot in hell for leaving them, which makes me think their grandparents, her parents, probably really sucked too.
UsernameAlreadyTaken058
Exactly this. We do not know anything about her reason for leaving or the circumstances of her life. We do know that the obituary makes no mention at all about the kid's father or uncle being involved in raising them, which lends credence to the assumption that there was more going on than just "some skank leaving her kids".
Karma1970
I've said it before and I'll say it again, death does not absolve your actions while you were alive. This whole, "Don't speak ill of the dead" bullshit is just that...bullshit.
Snooj
Don't speak ill of the dead because by then it's too late. Speak ill of them when they are alive.
Karma1970
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scrumbles666
Do you suppose they did a mean obituary for their dad who also apparently abandoned them to be raised by their grandparents, or is it only a problem when mom does it?
rubypilgrim
sounds like Dennis and her parents had some opinions about Kathy that they made clear to her kids. We don't know Kathleen's side of the story.
Cats2cats
So she abandoned 2 preschool aged kids for a 3d. Dennis also abandoned those 2 kids.
TalanRhodes
We don't know that. Given the time period it was possible that Dennis was seen as being unable to raise two small children on his own by society. Social stigma around single fathers was pretty high back then (still is, to be honest) and him being a single dad because his wife ran off with another man, his brother no less, was likely a massive source of shame. Of course, I could be completely wrong and he may have really abandoned them. Who knows?
Cats2cats
Even back then the grandparents stepped in & helped if one parent died or left. With that obit husband #1 would have been mentioned as surviving.
chackstar
You know now that we all know the stats on sexual assault, it’s not incoceivable that her brother in law raped her, got her pregnant. She could not face living with him in her social orbit. She left the kids with her parents so they wouldn’t be away from their dad and moved away from her rapist.
pitje
She passed away and will now face judgement?
Ah yeah, the USA is a religious shithole of a country
xeoxion
If people are shit when they alive. They shit when they dead.
So tired of you should respect the dead. Sometimes the best thing a person could do is die. Like my mother. It was the best day of my life.
TheMershedPerderder
Have you gone to therapy?
UseYourVoice
Agreed 100%. If someone chose to be cruel, malicious, and evil in life, they don't deserve any respect when they're dead.
agonarch
This is one of those British things that didn't translate well to the US... It's not supposed to be about that, it's supposed to be about letting go of it all so they don't have any further negative influence on your life. Being polite about it was a way to shut down the conversation. It's meant to come with a warning look at least.
If someone violates the 'shut up about dead asshole' rule then all bets are off, let 'em have it. You don't have to be polite if they're not.
wowzie
🫂
MFfromHell
A few years ago, a childhood classmate died in a motorcycle accident. He was generally known as an asshole (he even worked as Trump's chef at one point), so when another friend announced "[The asshole in question] apparently died. Cheers to that!", everyone cheered in agreement.
killergrooves85
I have plenty of disrespect for the living and the dead.
LogicalLimes
I’ve started to feel similarly myself lately about my own mother. I feel ya.
NorrinxRadd
When my grandmother died we were asked to do an obituary, we knew she would have loved "and now she's dead" however the paper wouldn't allow it and another family members obituary was selected.
shameofslate
wambu
Best use of AI so far.
iosa
"In lieu of flowers, send Brenda more life" will always live rent free in my head, along with "she sang like a bird and looked like a bird and Brenda was a bird".
Snooj
Remember when AI was funny?
UmmonPrime
if obituaries were honest
kazeshi
there is an old book called speaker for the dead, from the enders game series, in which there was a public movement for speakers who would investigate the life of the dead person and give a realistic eulogy rather than just some positive comments.
it had enough of an impact on my life when i was young that in my will i have a location for my own self made version i wish to be made public to those who care. i update it each year on my bday. kind of a blunt and realistic short story of my life.
andtheseashalltell
When I was a kid I loved that book. Then in undergrad I met the author and he was an absolute dick and it ruined it for me.
Unfortunately, the author of that book is a grandson of Brigham Young, and it’s chock full of Mormon themes, to the point that it borders on Mormon propaganda:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ender/s/jY7SE1Q7EI
Argon14
Love those books, and the Enders shadow series…….unfortunate that Card himself is a massive bigot, but it’s one of those things of separating the art from the artist I guess
LendLeaseIdentity
I refuse to separate art from artist. That is how fuckfaces continue to thrive. Kill OS Card, keep the books with a forward describing what a shit he was.
southoffrance
I have to disagree with this. If you don't separate the art from the artist then every work of art/music/literature that you like is conditional on you not knowing enough about the artist. Picasso and Beethoven drove lovers/family to suicide; David Bowie had sex with a 14 year old girl; Caravaggio murdered a man; John Lennon beat his wife Cynthia. Artists are often shit human beings even though the work they produce can be sublime.
LendLeaseIdentity
Good to know. I think Lennon sucks, so no loss there. And I stand on my philosophy. If the artist is a SHIT person, the art is SHIT because it comes from SHIT. Maybe if we stop giving a pass to these fuckers, and increase our net emotional intelligence as a species, humans wouldn't be such SHIT overall.
Argon14
Yeah I like this approach more lol