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Bundalicious
This is why God sent Krasnov to the Americans, he was sent to destroy the biggest shithole on planet so the rest of us can go on in peace. Fuck the entire USA
eddy3000
THE TRUTH LOL….tell me the truth about bilbo fuckin baggins while you’re at it
tuxedobob
The “evidence” would be that they did “abominable things.” They’re just ignoring the part about helping the poor.
YeahFineSure
Partially fair, maybe. Per the story, God had already decided to wipe out the cities before the men of the town said "we saw some dudes in your house that we want to rape." However it seems clear this interaction was included as a justification of the destruction.
Ankylosaur
Everyone should start calling Republicans and their ilk "Sodomites" if for no other reason than to force them to bring attention to this point when they start objecting to the label.
jnmjnmjnm
Perhaps Neo-Sodomites, to distinguish from the biblically incorrect vernacular.
boxbackknitties
Blew the city off the map, Left nothing there but fire, The wife of Lot got turned to salt, Because she looked behind her....because she looked behind herrrrrrr
MetalSonicSixtyNine
Just like Orpheus 🥲
Mack1986
So God and went and killed everyone. Including the poor and needy in that city. Reducing the number to 0. What a guy
PostHartmann
I guess Israel thinks Gaza is Sodom.
PyroAvok
There probably wasn't any poor or needy left, with a predatory mob like that roaming around.
Freyja33
It's actually very unambiguous what the inhabitants of Sodom did in the story. Like there's a bunch of holy laws/rules and then a story about a city full of people who break several of those holy laws/rules (none of which have anything to do with homosexuality).
PyroAvok
They violated Sacred Hospitality. Remember this is before even the Ten Commandments were given to Moses. God hadn't laid down any of His own rules yet so all these sins were against the Laws of Man.
cantbelievethisisstillavailable
And it's not like we need to worry about Old Testament holy laws because they don't actually even apply to any modern Christians. That's kind of the point of Jesus and him giving the two commandments in the New Testament, if those Christians bothered to read the Bible.
LuminoZero
So few people realize this. The old covenant was fulfilled with the death and resurrection of the Messiah. It's done, now we are under the new convenant.
hellsgunslinger
Religions just another tool to control the masses. I have seen some good things come out of it but more bad than good
DiracsDelta
Ancient religions rationalize natural phenomena that couldn’t be explained so they could be accepted. Seems that most modern religions are there to rationalize suffering of yourself (and especially suffering of others) so that it can be accepted.
I can’t see it as anything other than a net loss, because at the highest levels, it normalizes and promotes acting on ideas without evidence. In a world governed by natural laws, it indulges the most damaging traits of sentient intelligent creatures.
Da3n
More Pastors and Priests need to be shouting this from the pulpit. Deportation is sin. Work requirements for SNAP benefits is sin.
99% of American Christians are on Lucifer's side. The 1% need to stand up and remind them.
bripi
Do not bring Lucifer Light-Bringer into this! The fallen angel *cannot* be blamed for the free will of mankind to do whatever the fuck, this is not the direction of an angel cast out. And don't you dare try to change it to the satan to cover the mistake. I think what you *mean* to say is that 99% of American Christans don't act at all like the christ they pretend to espouse to be like. Lucifer Morningstar has NOTHING to do with this.
PyroAvok
Lucifer Morningstar is a comic book character. Don't confuse him for the real one. (or "real one" if that floats your boat)
bripi
Lucifer was also known as The Morningstar before some comic book.
OtisTDrunk
How Dare You Twist The Several Times Over Manipulated And Sanitized Holy Book With Out Its Entirety...... #InvisableSkyMan
codenameRadical
Hospitality, in the BC era, was seen as literally life and death, largely because ... it could be. There were no inns, no hotels, no police patrols. If you had money, and land, then you were expected to shelter travelers. To have all that and fail to was genuinely placed on the same level as murder. A lot of people in the modern era have forgotten what a world like that was like.
0xBADA55
Wrong again, it teaches you that God is a vengeful and destructive entity, instead of showing hinself and talking with his children on what they’re doing wrong like a real Father would do, he instead decides to destroy everyone because of another made up sin
iktome99
"the truth" about a bible myth? Why try to talk to these lunatics as if this shit has any basis in reality? They can't be reasoned with
Seethreepeeoh
Instructions unclear, I’ve sodomised Jesus
PennysWorthOfTea
As long as it was consensual
schrodingerscatfood
The Bible is not univocal, nor internally consistent, nor historical. S&G are mentioned in Genesis, Deuteronomy, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Amos, Zephaniah, Matthew, Luke, Romans, 2nd Peter, Jude, and Revelation, through even more authors (Genesis at least four).
idiotsonfire
There's zero evidence that Sodom or Gomorrah ever existed.
elbootio
Too bad the entire story is made up and god isn't real
androgenoide
Lot was a righteous man because he hosted and protected a stranger. The behavior of the crowd and the offering of his daughters only served to reinforce the point.
samanthadlcruz
and offering up his virgin daughters to a rape mob is totally cool with god...
androgenoide
Apparently it was not a big deal since God selected him as being the one righteous man out of the city even after he did it.
samanthadlcruz
4 of this ten most important 'commandments' are instructions on how to properly kiss his ass which just didn't leave any room to prohibit rape or slavery.
Cebrail
If you want a far more in-depth and scholarly explanation behind this, I can strongly recommend Dan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d8gAEV_qRw
DameDePiques
They also tried to fuck the angel sent to warn them, iirc. But since angels don't have gender, hitting on them cannot be classified as either straight or gay behaviour.
rezpawner
Look at you all high and mighty, as if you wouldn't try to bang an angel if given the chance!
NoonaTuna
don't kink shame
JustDumbCommentsAndCorrections
*scribbles down notes* Do... not... gangbang... enbies... without... their... consent. Got it.
Yellowchopsticks
PutItInNeutral
That can also be interpreted as the people interferring with Lot's generosity in hosting the angels. Allowing a guest in your house to come to harm was a grave misdeed frowned upon by multiple cultures to this day.
PyroAvok
And back then this was *The* Law. The Ten Commandments hadn't been issued yet.
speedonthis
So angels are agender or non-binary?
GodHelpMeToBeGood
unnecessary for them to have intercourse demons are the fallen ones so same goes, Spiritually eternal beings seem 4th dimensional.
DiracsDelta
Have you heard of the biblically accurate angels meme? How do you gender a floating ring of eyeballs and feathers?
ShaggyQueen
I think you do the internet trick where you just guess and let someone correct you after lol
PyroAvok
They can change form, they're celestial beings.
crazyspelling
(How do you have sex with it, either?)
DameDePiques
Use your imagination, for fuck's sake! (literally)
crazyspelling
Let's see if this works.
https://makeagif.com/i/wK8Zlu
SamaelQliphoth
Yeah, feels a bit like ascribing gender to a rock or something. And not in a grammatical way, either.
Hrafna55
That's great and all but here's the thing. I don't care what's written in that book. At all. It's not a guide to morality. It's inconsistent and contradictory. It's a translation of a translation of a translation that's been revised by multiple different rulers and powers. Grow up.
dankmemegoddess
Can we all just get comfy already, around the reality that there is literally no truth in the bible? It's all made up. By men. It's mythology.
Illosernati
Its fiction, but even if it wasnt, it sure goes a long way to give that forgiving loving vibe the Christian god goes for.
samanthadlcruz
the lesson from Sodom is that god thinks that the ONLY man worthy of being saved was the one that offered up his virgin daughters to a rape mob.
urusername2
Here's an upvote from an 80 y/o straight grandfather! People use misinterpretations of religious writings to justify their own actions. When Jesus said Love thy neighbor, he never used the word except. It is not our job to judge others. A loving God will judge them on how they treated others [and understand that what they are is not a choice on their part]. I understand that 10% of the animal world acts in a homosexual manner. You are who you are!
Bowtie8bit
What do you mean, "when I saw it?!" This is the all-seeing God we're talking about right? How does he see anything all of a sudden? I call bullshit on the Bible.
JohnWickdidnothingwrong
I thought the problem was that a mob wanted to rape the angels and wouldn't take dudes daughters as a substitute.
Kiirdel
Covered in Brad Neely's documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bar3GOzDNzg . Jokes aside I was raised JW and my mom doesn't entirely owe this video for her leaving that particular faith, but it was a relevant piece of the puzzle.
ahorseelbowdeepinme
That also happened but wasnt the only thing that happened
M4UsedRollout
Compare to Judges 19. Same thing happens in a different city, but this time the crowd does rape (to death) the woman who is turned over to them. The occupants of the house found her dead body in the morning and sent pieces of it to all the other tribes of Israel to say “look what the Benjamites did to a traveler.” The other tribes were so offended they all declared war on the tribe of Benjamin.
The point is that how you acted towards strangers reflected on you and your god. And God was pissed.
codenameRadical
It's hospitality, at the core. What you describe is not very hospitable to guests. What is described above is not very hospitable to guests. A lot of people don't realize how life and death hospitality was in the BC world.
JohnWickdidnothingwrong
HORSE BRUTALITY?!?
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Sorry, old RHPS reflex...
codenameRadical
Horses are terrible people
metcar
it was was as the post says and that but not the fact is was dude on dude as conservative churches will rant about but the fact it was rape
Gameshow
Yeah, the mob was definitely hungry for some rapin' as per scripture.
DukeSliscus
Yeah, but it was to say "if a condition of your hospitality is to get to fuck your guests, you are not following the rules of hospitality"
androgenoide
I see that as kind of a side story to reinforce Lot's obligation to protect the stranger because it was his hospitality that saved him from the destruction.
JohnWickdidnothingwrong
Ahh, ty.
Gameshow
I imagine his daughters see it as a different story.
YeahFineSure
Yes, though it's not hard to imagine that it was included as an example of why God wanted to destroy the city.
androgenoide
Yes. Non-reproductive sex was forbidden but (given the context) I think it was seen as less serious than oppressing the visitors.
YeahFineSure
Perhaps? I know very little of ancient Mesopotamian customs.
androgenoide
I don't know much but you bring up an important point. The Hebrew/Canaanite/Levantine culture that created the Bible was heavily influenced by Mesopotamian cultures and it probably makes sense to consider those other cultures as part of the context.
M4UsedRollout
Citation on non-reproductive sex being forbidden? Genesis doesn’t chastise Judah for soliciting a sex worker.
androgenoide
No, but there is a strong preference for reproduction and for avoidance of masturbation, homosexuality, sex during menstruation etc. "Forbidden" might be too strong a word and many of the rules seem to have had loopholes.
Kenbamazingbutprobablywontbe
Too bad Christians dont read the Bible
Mrpipboy3000
Atheists are people who have read the bible.
Christians are people who have had the bible read to them.
SwiftyGuy
It’s a bit more complicated than that. I know lots of people that have read the Bible several times and they are indeed Christians. Other Christians simply regurgitate what is told to them by whoever, but they try to do what’s best. Others are hateful, judgmental fucks that call themselves Christians. That last group is who people should be going after.
GodHelpMeToBeGood
A lotta people don't read much anymore, they just get fed through podcasts and propaganda channels.
yamsonyamsonyams
I tried to read the Bible
The Old Testament is… it’s crazy. Time lurches forward and backward hundreds of years from sentence to sentence. It’s written like someone transcribed verbatim the ramblings of someone who was drink and also on mushrooms and was told to just say the weirdest shit they could think of
NuclearGradeIrony
What's bad is anyone taking the bible seriously. It should matter fuckall, what an ancient storybook says.
WoeToHice
I don't blame them. As an atheist, I tried reading it a couple of times and each time was a DNF.
Kenbamazingbutprobablywontbe
I read about 70-80% of it as a youth. And wow. I gotta be honest. Did they not have pant they could watch dry back then. Because its a dry ass boring list of names and perverted poetry in the first half. And blah blah blah eternal damnation at the end. Not missing much
Imademyselfsquirtle
Just everything opposite the anti christ book
DukePhelan
The Bible is the greatest 'choose your own adventure' type book ever written. You can make it say whatever you want by cherry picking.
One of the many reasons religion is a blight upon mankind.
SwiftyGuy
So is statistics and people cherry picking scientific ideas. You just should t be cherry picking anything, whatever it is, it doesn’t matter if it’s religious or not.
ToSisPoS
It’s a hazardous side effect of our pattern-spotting instincts.
ahorseelbowdeepinme
Who do you think made this?
ahorseelbowdeepinme
I see the downvotes, it doesnt change the fact that a leader in a christian religion made this so when you say things like "too bad christians dont read the Bible" i have to wonder if you actually understand what youre reading
GodHelpMeToBeGood
No good or evil here only happy ignorance, as long as you agree with them they're very happy, as is the way of humanity and its history.
ahorseelbowdeepinme
I disagree. I have many friends of varying religious views and honestly i dont think any of us are that rare
GodHelpMeToBeGood
Good, then you're on your way.
ahorseelbowdeepinme
Ok
PickleRiiiiiiiiiiiiick
Also:
THE
OLD
TESTAMENT
IS
NOT
FOR
CHRISTIANS
LocalUnassumingGuy
without the OT no prophecy in the NT makes any sense. The sacrifice of Jesus is meaningless. All the morality that is predicated on OT stories is meaningless. Also jesus was specific he came to fulfill the old covenant. Nowhere in the NT does it say the OT is "not for christians."
Kenbamazingbutprobablywontbe
Yep thats a jewish book. And also according to Christians, when jesus died for our sins the old laws were abolished ie. The old testament.
LocalUnassumingGuy
without the OT no prophecy in the NT makes any sense. The sacrifice of Jesus is meaningless. All the morality that is predicated on OT stories is meaningless. Also jesus was specific he came to fulfill the old covenant. Nowhere in the NT does it say the OT is "not for christians."
Kenbamazingbutprobablywontbe
Except its a fairy tale that everyone interprets differently. I never said it said it was not for Christians. The Koran doesn't say that either whats your point?
rezpawner
Think the jews do? Going by that text alone, Israel should be destroyed by god, along with everyone in it.
GodHelpMeToBeGood
Yeah the world generally doesn't do hard stuff as a hobby and reading is no fun without movies pictures and funny sounds.
Kenbamazingbutprobablywontbe
Yea i was pretty sure god said something about not having a state of genocide against his will. Or what not.
crazyspelling
If you understand the Torah (or the lesser Old Testament), the fact that Israel HAS NOT been obliterated by God is *proof* that he approves. Judaism doesn't believe that God keeps score over a lifetime and then pays you back in the afterlife. Their beliefs call for God to make your life shitty *right now* if you disobey him. So if all is well with you, you must be doing fine. Someone correct me if I'm misremembering my 30-year-old comparative religion class.
PyroAvok
Not all of Judaism. There's a couple schools of thought about how things work; the Sadducees were the ones that rejected the whole afterlife business.
On top of that, in the Tanakh there's whole periods of ancient Israel turning away from God for decades before He gets fed up and lets their enemies rock their shit.
The modern state masquerading as a rebooted kingdom of israel has pissed off a lot of people. They're *one* misstep with il Deuce away from getting fucking erased. One can hope.
M4UsedRollout
There was the Neo-Assyrian invasion in the 600s BCE that wiped out the kingdom of Israel and the Babylonian exile in the middle of the first millennium BCE that conquered the kingdom of Judah.
In response to the first, they centralized all worship to Jerusalem and prohibited worshiping ancestors or other gods.
In response to the second, they made their god global instead of national, and when the Persians allowed them to return, they started taking the Torah seriously.
This is simplified.
Feralkyn
Iirc in both christianity and judaism there is no heaven or hell, only various other mentioned afterlives that stem from other mythologies of the time (ex. Hades, which is a sort of more general afterlife). Most of the stories are retellings of other contemporary myths.
The Hebrew and by extension Christian god was NOT the only one in the books; this God was instead the one they followed, and was jealous, waging war on other gods etc. There was no devil or satan; Hebrew demonology texts were-
Feralkyn
separate and popular and might've in some part given rise to the idea of devils and demons but by and large that wasn't a thing in the actual biblical books.
Basically the modern *perception* of these religions is wildly different than what's actually present in the texts. ("Hell" is a modern translation, and doesn't occur anywhere in those books--if you look at the direct translations, any time "hell" is now mentioned it's something like Hades, Sheol, Gehenna, Tartarus etc.).
Feralkyn
The whole "thou shalt not have any other gods before me" or what have you was literal: there WERE other gods, it's NOT monotheistic in terms of what exists, but it IS in worship.
There's also all the obscure other side-texts that talk about the Flood being created to wipe out a race of half-angel giants that were fucking and eating livestock, etc. It's all weird and wild.
ProcrastinatingWork
Close enough. You get a chance to get good with god again each year at Yom Kippur. And then all you have to do is feel bad for a few days and not eat all day until sundown on the last day. BOOM purified by god!
crazyspelling
In that case, I'm imagining God giving everybody a pass until the day after Yom Kippur and then just raining floods and locusts down on everybody who was a dick and didn't properly fast about it.
ProcrastinatingWork
"This yer first time?" - Mosses