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https://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/2019/black_hole/
Macetheace50
All I see a Bright Spot at the cross. I though blackholes were supposed to be black?
Yoggington
I've seen Messier.
llamprey
Is scares me.
safetyxstab
Nickelback?
LifeConfessionguy1
Ah yes all consuming black hole .....just like me ex.
Revan1138
Are yee a pirate?
HughGDildeaux
It's...it's, Remina!!!!!!! Tongue of doom.
OmahaJim
This picture, like almost EVERYTHING science has accomplished recently, is gddmned AMAZING, Astounding, Incredible, and only the beginning!
ElderLurkerInNeedOfaCane
There's gotta be aliens studying it somewhere in that picture
imgurj17
Why does it look like a cross in one of the pictures? We have been lied to all this time!
iHateMyselfButIHateYouMore
"everything it's Consuming" jfc, it's like a walking copy editing proficiency test
philke5
It only weighs that much more than the sun, but is more dense. Still big tho
vowofloudness
Actually way less dense than our sun. Counterintuitive, but the bigger a black hole, the less dense. Schwarzchild radius for 6.5B solar 1/2
masses is ~19B km, about 23 trillion times the volume of our sun. That gives it a density of ~0.45 kg/m3, about 1/3 as dense as air! 2/2
SelloxSmuggler
Big? Ever heard of "Ton 618" its a black hole thats 66 billion times bigger than the sun.
HeNeverScreams
Super massive
zhenyamos
ThatDudeRich
Feet. Pants. Gravitational Spacetime Singularities.
Blasfemur
PANTSFEET!
cainofdreaming
No, please, what are you doing Black-hole senpai
nothebees
Man, and it looks like a fuckin massive plus sign too!
candiduscorvus
6.5 billion times as massive*
Boomi
I knew I hav heard the Name. Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar, Nobel Prize for Physics in 1983.
He showed that the mass of a white dwarf could not exceed 1.44 times that of the Sun – the Chandrasekhar limit
IntelligenceWithoutAmbition
thefreak013
With sound!
Feralkyn
I fucking lose it EVERY time i see this
Thanks, homeslice!
whitefoxkei
I love that he almost cracked lol
ThisIsYourLifeNow
With sound and longer!
Cutwail
"i'm escaping to the one place that hasn't been corrupted by capitalism"
XVUltima
Elon Musk: *sweats nervously*
IMostlyCommentInGifs
COMMIES . . . IN . . . SPAAAAACE!!!!!
FutileHumility
Still smaller than @OP’s mom
roughingupthesuspect
I was waiting for a mom joke
ridetheshoopuf
Yep, just clicked on the post and looked for the comment I knew was going to be here.
BarrysSmasher
Where does it go though ?
o4kill
Every time I see it makes me laugh
MahadmaGaudi
Size or mass if the sun?
bonnieyes1000cats
If a "naked" black hole, even a tiny one were to get close to our solar system our entire solar system would be disturbed,
Even our sun would be destabilized and begin orbiting around the black hole. No way a BH could suddenly sneak up on earth.
jooobe
What that hole do
becauseurwrong
Am i the only one who has had a fear of black holes since learning about them as a kid? And no new info helps that fear?
Sheldonian
Not really, I was afraid back then but by now I know they're just too far away to even explore them and I have more probabilities of 1/
Winning the lottery and after that dying from an asteroid hit (just talking no real math) than dying from that mythical tiny black hole 2/
Appearing out of nowhere close to the earth 3/3
yaddiex3
You only have to remember Stop, Drop and Roll
zagibu
You should begin to factor probability of occurrence into your risk evaluation, otherwise you're gonna go mad soon.
ChallengerDeep
Closest black hole is about a 1000 light years away. And we're not on a collision course.
countbassy
Only since Soundgarden
CocaineAndSelfPleasure
And they were calling it to come!
LeSethX
Same, but I also have a fear of Jupiter knowing how big it is.
BklynPunisher
I’m more scared of Uranus.
3006mv
Where does that entire galaxy end up? Like what’s inside that black hole? If space is a vacuum is a black hole a vacuuming a vacuum?
Gorgrim
It ends up inside the event horizon of the black hole. And do you think that galaxy is made up of a vacuum?
The event horizon is the point of no return. Kind of like the edge of a waterfall. The point where the gravity is so intense there’s no ...
... way to avoid getting pulled in.
Everything it ever sucked in is still inside. Why do you think it has such tremendous gravitation that not even light escapes?
The8obman
Space is like, suuuuper big, doods
narddogbernard
Right? I think about this a lot. Like what if there are aliens but they're like 6.5 billion x bigger than us...
notreallythereyet
Zeus?
jelladelta
I'll need this arithmatic in bananas please
PickleRiiiiiiiiiiiiick
Bunches.
AppaTheSnarkyBison
But like, how many washing machines can it fit?
Apparently, all of them.
HapilyDamaged
over a hundred miles in every direction!
Tortfeas0r
v
PatrickDiomedes
well, you're not wrong
Acmer77
Wow. How many football fields is it?
Assholethecat
1 if only counting our universe as 1 atom for a blade of grass in a larger universe's football field.
REVENGE488
At least 7
VeryLumpyGravy
Might even be 8 and a hot dog stand, if it sells foot-longs.
TawdryArt
Well, you're not wrong.
PballQhead
Just going to point out the "tiny black speck" is 6.5B times the *mass* of the Sun, not 6.5B times the *size*.
Blech7890
I thought it was referring to the size of the speck which is the event horizon, not the size of the black hole itself...
The event horizon is the black hole, the singularity is a separate entity inside the black hole. Also it has no size.
TisIChenoir
So, not as big as your momma, but almost as heavy?
Tombliboos
Yo mommas so fat she wears an asteroid belt......?
She wears a star belt. And we're not talking tiny, ridiculous stars like our sun. She wears a belt made of Betelgeuses!
DarthMatta
Cannot upvote this enough.
Frankmate
Thanks
Thanks, should have read the comments instead of asking the question myself....dummy me
neverknown4523
Thank you, was having a bit of a crisis trying to imagine the amount of mass in a black hole 6.5Bx our suns size.
1,530,113,524,277,751 solar masses, to resolve your crisis.
LoneWolfandCub
Phew.... thanks ?
IOnlyNeedOneBall
For scale, a black hole the MASS of earth would be about as big as a bowling ball.
Sircowdog1
I'm glad you did, because thinking about a black hole that big hurt my brain a little....
FrolickingFrolicking
IMGUR more like uneducatedmgur
Cebrail
Thank you, a small difference in wording, a huge difference in reality
BoneyBaby
You semantic overlord! I love it!
Baughr
What's the size of the speck? Jc. And we're talking about something that most ppl can't fathom (objects so massive we can never see with/1
Our own eyes)
rylas
Thank you! This kind of inaccuracy irks me.
Did some quick math, 6.5B times solar size would be about 880 light-years across. Supermassive black holes are about 0.01 light-years across
IATTM
Humor me? Size is related to mass and is 3d. So not the right term to use, but "twice the size" for a sphere doesn't mean 2x the radius, -
It's 2x the volume unless otherwise stated. Then you get into the mass compressing due to gravity, but still something to think about.
But I do fully appreciate your explanation and it as a lot to the conversation with solid facts :)
"Size" without qualification (mass, volume, dimensions) is meaningless. To Pat Q. Anyperson off the street, it's generally dimensional, e.g>
a 100cm diameter exercise ball would colloquially be considered "twice the size" of an 50cm ball despite being 8x the volume/4x the surface.
It's about 27,500 times our sun's radius, so ~23 trillion times its volume.
I was assuming most people would be thinking diameter; it ain't 6.5 billion times as wide for sure.
Muffyns
how much size is it comared to sun
ButteredNoodleDriver
The black hole itself? That doesn't have a size as by definition it is infinitely dense - it's essentially 1 dimensional, a point in space
Axianamos
Black holes are probably spherical. They compress matter as much as possible but its still compressed around something
From Wikipedia: "the singular region has zero volume"
Very big.
Toffeeaccident
At least twelve sizes yes
Oblok
Something's not right here. 6.5B times more massive, 23T times the volume would make it less dense than sol. Isn't a black hole more dense?
Weirdly, because gravity is an inverse square relationship, black holes get less dense as they get bigger. To make our sun into a black 1/3
hole you'd have to crush it down to 6 km across. But with enough mass the density drops. If you filled our solar system (Pluto's orbit) 2/3
with plain old air, it would be a black hole! And the one in M87 is more massive than that, so its density is about 1/3 of air. 3/3
What is? The event horizon?
E4r3nd1l
No, that's a 1996 film with laurence fishburne and the first attempt at warp travel without a Gellar Field.
abhorance
I love that it's pretty much accepted 40k cannon
The writer admitted he was super into 40k while writing the script, so yeah, it's canon.
Yes; the Schwarzchild radius for 6.5B solar masses is ~19.2E9 km.
ElbowDeepInUserSub
Thanks. The dude was called Schwarzschild, tough, but I know it's probably weird to have 3 consonants that all sound similar in a row.
Oops, thank you for the correction.
derJake
Black Shield is kind of an awesome last name as well.
Baron29
It's the size of the actual core even knowable? The size of the EH is a product of the object's mass, isn't it? So the size is irrelevant?
JackBaler
there's no way to actually go in and verify, but it's commonly accepted that the core of a black hole is a singularity, an infinitesimally>
Schwarzschild radius and EH are the same thing. We don't know what's inside, if there's even an inside, so EH is the only size that matters.
Dusseldwarf
Yeah well there's no sound in space, so 23 trillion times 0 is still 0.
RatToofus
The sun sounds like a microwave. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I-zdmg_Dno
PowerToAllThePeople
For a split second I thought you meant the sun would beep when it ended.
Hurro
I mean it'll beep once.
PangeaSeparator
How many washing machines is that?
Khelan2050
0.2 football fields
CompletelyOrginal
2 large boulders
GhostOfDolomite
Black holes are capable of traveling at insane speeds and smaller ones NOT currently consuming galaxies are invisible to us as no light ½
dylancockels
Hawking radiation begs to differ
Essentially quantum pairings where one photon appears just outside the event horizon and the anti-particle of the pair appears within.
Avoiding sublimation - there is a theory that that is how ended up with matter in the first place!
Via the big bang ofcourse
It's like "spotting" something tiny in the desert as observed thru a coffee straw, but worse.
HandoB4Javert
Just rewatching Star Trek: TNG and the episode The Naked Now touches on gravitation and collapsing stars.
rbudrick
We detect stars passing other stars. Could we not detect black holes passing stars?
oprahslovechild
My six year old is obsessed with them and talks of our impending doom often.
stronomer
Black holes don't just travel "at insane speeds". Stellar mass black holes are stellar remnants, and in the same way that no 1/
stars are just flying towards us "at insane speeds", no stellar black holes are expected to either. 2/2
Would you accept "uncomfortable speeds"? Perhaps "faster than the speed of smell"?
MKUltraMega
What about ludicrous speed?
ifindthingsinteresting
I don't even want to think about plaid.
TheAssassinArtemisEntreri
Stellar mass black hole ejections happen when larger black holes consume another and is ejected from it's galaxy center by the collision
Yes, but the projected ejection velocities are also not that huge. But they are more massive, you are right.
Or rather they *can* be more massive
²/² escapes them. This means one could be screaming towards us right now and we wouldn't know it. Just suddenly "blip" out of existence.
OwlBeReady
https://youtu.be/u5oHxPwtz7E
History channel has several of these full length doomsday by space events and others posted on there YouTube channel.
LenneSamunai
i think that would be the best 'way to go' . surprise black hole attack!
sgtmajorcool
Well... now I can’t stop thinking about that.
Sharing is caring. Now we're family.
pfshfine
Hope it gets here soon. This shit sucks.
nightrodrider
I for one welcome or dark destroyers
superunderpants
We would see it because of the gravitational lensing it would cause. We would be helpless but still
BillandTedsUnremarkableTripToCostCo
You can play with scenarios like this with Universe Sandbox. Spoiler: you’re more likely to simply fuck up the orbits of everything in (1/2)
the solar system, which is honestly just as bad. (2/2)
NergalJester
What about a really really tiny one? Like a few millimeters? Would it just bore through the earth and whoever was standing on it?
Rifneno
"Could be" = one in a quattuordecillion
LongtimeLurkerFirsTimePoster
We are always 8 mins away from finding out that the sun exploded.
SonderingStrike
The Black hole itself is invisible, but the effects on light that it doesnt consume, and gravitational lensing are very obvious
TwoFlower68
usrnametaken
It's enough for it to pass by close enough to fuck with the asteroid belts and orbits and we would suddenly fund space programs
Howlingowl
We wouldn’t really blip out just be torn apart. You can exist inside a black hole. There’s a theory that our universe exists inside one now
IdUpvoteYouButYoureAt69
Spaghettification!
Trialsin
Beersapper
One can only hope.
This guy gets it.
Kingdugga
Could we do anything about it? Nope. Would it happen within a timeframe even comprehensible to humans? Nope. So why worry about it?
tuller29
Worrying about incomprehensible crap is my super power.
Who's worried? I came from the void, I'll go back to the void.
FlissFloss86Gaming
That's the way I want to go out. Blinked out of existence in an instant
CUBErk
I want to disappear in a puff of logic
The cosmic aneurysm
68people
Itd be a blip if we're lucky.
True story! Nobody knows what goes on in there, we could experience distortion of time that makes time pass differently as we ½
²/² approach and then one moment that lasts seemingly forever. To the outside observers we're ripped apart, to us 1 second lasts eternally?
Hope were doing something fun, not stuck behind some slow ass or (god forbid) at work.
cheesedogs
Would it be so sudden though? Like would time dilation make us all perceive an infinite duration of time?
Szavor
I think the moment Harambe was killed is exactly the time this happened to us and spat us out into a different dimension
ThMick
For the thousandth time, it was when they switched on the LHC at CERN for the first time.
One would think the gravitational effects and photon disturbances would give us some indication that our solar system is in trouble.
SteveIrwinIsMySpiritAnimal
Come on, man, everyone knows visible light is the only way to see or measure anything /s
shadowofacrow
Depends on its speed.
Iamthebuttofmybestjokes
We would know something is up yeah but we would still be fucked. Would be interesting to look at while it happened tho
qwerty1418
If we knew exactly where to look I'm sure we could detect it from gravitational lensing or something similar. 1/2
But nothing would actually stand out about it without some very detailed searching, which is impossible to do across the entire sky.
Yakatakaplah
You're operating under the assumption that we're watching the universe closely enough to catch something like that.
RedClaws23
Astrophysicist here! Nope, we'd have less than an hour's notice in the best case scenario- not enough for bare minimum rocket launch times.
PaintedSlate
That makes sense with the whole exponential effect of gravity with distance and the speeds involved. What would such an impact look like?
Like, if it hit Mars (or a Neptune), would it leave an identifiable mark that would last for a geologically long time?
iSellTeenyTinyFrogGreenBabyCoffins
Doesn’t time slow down as you approach the back hole tho?
Yes and no*. It's complicated but the TL;DR is it's not enough to make a difference until we're too close to survive anyway.
pomax
Not really, we wouldn't even have gotten the data processed before the planet was already gone.
omuaomua
scientist began thinking that planet 9 is maybe a lil black hole... also maybe in the middle of there
itrynottocommentbutyoumakemecringe
They all go really close and far from that star in orbit. Yikes
also that plane nine does not exists, but there is a black hole in the middle of them
YouHaveNoodsAndIHaveAnInbox
Sauce? Sounds like an interesting read.
thefellerwhathadthatusername
Plane nine? From outer space??
HypersonicHero
Lol, no. There aren’t to the best of my knowledge natural processes for planet sized black holes. Micro black holes sure, but those are
schwarzerpanther42
But even than we won't be able to do anything....
SirRichardOfHead
Nah, we'll just send a bunch of oil drillers with some nukes to blow it up. No biggie.
rocksarecooleverybodyneedsapetrock
You could meditate
troawai
We would see the gravitational lensing of objects behind it.
Oh, we'd be fucked. No question.
HillCountryRambler
Not that guy, though. No one wants to fuck him.
ButterLube
Ya billions of years from now
LazyEmt365
Not really we would know long enough to build Orion space craft and get some measure of the human race to safety
MaadMaanMaatt
But we’d still send up a drilling team and nuke behind them as a back up plan.
devasto
Orgies
ProThespian
This is what Space Force is for, right?
No, only for messing with north korean satellites
Soggybathroomsock
We could send Bruce Willis and his team of oil drillers, I saw this documentary about them once and they seemed quite competent.
randomwalrus
Aside from the one who succumbed to space madness.
thurmur
You must not have finished the documentary. Bruce Willis actually sacrifices himself towards the end so we'd probably need to go with 1/2
EscapingJupiter
Yea, and that crazy swede/russian Peter Stormare!
SuperIncoherentRantingMan
All we need to do is send a squad of US cops into space Armageddon-style. There's nothing black that US cops can't or won't beat.
ItSeemsYouHaveSufferedaTerribleFate
Man I miss when banter wasn't 90% political & hysteria driven horseshit.
Dracon27
But is a black hole really black?
winternal
nobblestein
Here we go again.
Nuclearun
Maybe. The problem is that we only really *look* at a small portion of the sky with the delicate equipment. If a small one was heading our >
Way, we'd need to be looking in the right direction, for the right thing, and hope it actually draws a person attention rather than sitting>
On a server forever waiting to be looked at by a human. Our *best* bet to see it ahead of time would be if it got something, like Neptune >
Macetheace50
All I see a Bright Spot at the cross. I though blackholes were supposed to be black?
Yoggington
I've seen Messier.
llamprey
Is scares me.
safetyxstab
Nickelback?
LifeConfessionguy1
Ah yes all consuming black hole .....just like me ex.
Revan1138
Are yee a pirate?
HughGDildeaux
It's...it's, Remina!!!!!!! Tongue of doom.
OmahaJim
This picture, like almost EVERYTHING science has accomplished recently, is gddmned AMAZING, Astounding, Incredible, and only the beginning!
ElderLurkerInNeedOfaCane
There's gotta be aliens studying it somewhere in that picture
imgurj17
Why does it look like a cross in one of the pictures? We have been lied to all this time!
iHateMyselfButIHateYouMore
"everything it's Consuming" jfc, it's like a walking copy editing proficiency test
philke5
It only weighs that much more than the sun, but is more dense. Still big tho
vowofloudness
Actually way less dense than our sun. Counterintuitive, but the bigger a black hole, the less dense. Schwarzchild radius for 6.5B solar 1/2
vowofloudness
masses is ~19B km, about 23 trillion times the volume of our sun. That gives it a density of ~0.45 kg/m3, about 1/3 as dense as air! 2/2
SelloxSmuggler
Big? Ever heard of "Ton 618" its a black hole thats 66 billion times bigger than the sun.
HeNeverScreams
Super massive
zhenyamos
ThatDudeRich
Feet. Pants. Gravitational Spacetime Singularities.
Blasfemur
PANTSFEET!
cainofdreaming
iHateMyselfButIHateYouMore
No, please, what are you doing Black-hole senpai
nothebees
Man, and it looks like a fuckin massive plus sign too!
candiduscorvus
6.5 billion times as massive*
Boomi
I knew I hav heard the Name. Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar, Nobel Prize for Physics in 1983.
Boomi
He showed that the mass of a white dwarf could not exceed 1.44 times that of the Sun – the Chandrasekhar limit
IntelligenceWithoutAmbition
thefreak013
With sound!
Feralkyn
I fucking lose it EVERY time i see this
IntelligenceWithoutAmbition
Thanks, homeslice!
whitefoxkei
I love that he almost cracked lol
ThisIsYourLifeNow
With sound and longer!
Cutwail
"i'm escaping to the one place that hasn't been corrupted by capitalism"
XVUltima
Elon Musk: *sweats nervously*
IMostlyCommentInGifs
COMMIES . . . IN . . . SPAAAAACE!!!!!
FutileHumility
Still smaller than @OP’s mom
roughingupthesuspect
I was waiting for a mom joke
ridetheshoopuf
Yep, just clicked on the post and looked for the comment I knew was going to be here.
BarrysSmasher
Where does it go though ?
o4kill
Every time I see it makes me laugh
MahadmaGaudi
Size or mass if the sun?
bonnieyes1000cats
If a "naked" black hole, even a tiny one were to get close to our solar system our entire solar system would be disturbed,
bonnieyes1000cats
Even our sun would be destabilized and begin orbiting around the black hole. No way a BH could suddenly sneak up on earth.
jooobe
What that hole do
becauseurwrong
Am i the only one who has had a fear of black holes since learning about them as a kid? And no new info helps that fear?
Sheldonian
Not really, I was afraid back then but by now I know they're just too far away to even explore them and I have more probabilities of 1/
Sheldonian
Winning the lottery and after that dying from an asteroid hit (just talking no real math) than dying from that mythical tiny black hole 2/
Sheldonian
Appearing out of nowhere close to the earth 3/3
yaddiex3
You only have to remember Stop, Drop and Roll
zagibu
You should begin to factor probability of occurrence into your risk evaluation, otherwise you're gonna go mad soon.
ChallengerDeep
Closest black hole is about a 1000 light years away. And we're not on a collision course.
countbassy
Only since Soundgarden
CocaineAndSelfPleasure
And they were calling it to come!
LeSethX
Same, but I also have a fear of Jupiter knowing how big it is.
BklynPunisher
I’m more scared of Uranus.
3006mv
Where does that entire galaxy end up? Like what’s inside that black hole? If space is a vacuum is a black hole a vacuuming a vacuum?
Gorgrim
It ends up inside the event horizon of the black hole. And do you think that galaxy is made up of a vacuum?
BklynPunisher
The event horizon is the point of no return. Kind of like the edge of a waterfall. The point where the gravity is so intense there’s no ...
BklynPunisher
... way to avoid getting pulled in.
zagibu
Everything it ever sucked in is still inside. Why do you think it has such tremendous gravitation that not even light escapes?
The8obman
Space is like, suuuuper big, doods
narddogbernard
Right? I think about this a lot. Like what if there are aliens but they're like 6.5 billion x bigger than us...
notreallythereyet
Zeus?
jelladelta
I'll need this arithmatic in bananas please
PickleRiiiiiiiiiiiiick
Bunches.
AppaTheSnarkyBison
But like, how many washing machines can it fit?
zagibu
Apparently, all of them.
HapilyDamaged
over a hundred miles in every direction!
Tortfeas0r
PatrickDiomedes
well, you're not wrong
Acmer77
Wow. How many football fields is it?
Assholethecat
1 if only counting our universe as 1 atom for a blade of grass in a larger universe's football field.
REVENGE488
At least 7
VeryLumpyGravy
Might even be 8 and a hot dog stand, if it sells foot-longs.
TawdryArt
Well, you're not wrong.
PballQhead
Just going to point out the "tiny black speck" is 6.5B times the *mass* of the Sun, not 6.5B times the *size*.
Blech7890
I thought it was referring to the size of the speck which is the event horizon, not the size of the black hole itself...
PballQhead
The event horizon is the black hole, the singularity is a separate entity inside the black hole. Also it has no size.
TisIChenoir
So, not as big as your momma, but almost as heavy?
Tombliboos
Yo mommas so fat she wears an asteroid belt......?
TisIChenoir
She wears a star belt. And we're not talking tiny, ridiculous stars like our sun. She wears a belt made of Betelgeuses!
DarthMatta
Cannot upvote this enough.
Frankmate
Thanks
MahadmaGaudi
Thanks, should have read the comments instead of asking the question myself....dummy me
neverknown4523
Thank you, was having a bit of a crisis trying to imagine the amount of mass in a black hole 6.5Bx our suns size.
PballQhead
1,530,113,524,277,751 solar masses, to resolve your crisis.
LoneWolfandCub
Phew.... thanks ?
IOnlyNeedOneBall
For scale, a black hole the MASS of earth would be about as big as a bowling ball.
Sircowdog1
I'm glad you did, because thinking about a black hole that big hurt my brain a little....
FrolickingFrolicking
IMGUR more like uneducatedmgur
Cebrail
Thank you, a small difference in wording, a huge difference in reality
BoneyBaby
You semantic overlord! I love it!
Baughr
What's the size of the speck? Jc. And we're talking about something that most ppl can't fathom (objects so massive we can never see with/1
Baughr
Our own eyes)
rylas
Thank you! This kind of inaccuracy irks me.
PballQhead
Did some quick math, 6.5B times solar size would be about 880 light-years across. Supermassive black holes are about 0.01 light-years across
IATTM
Humor me? Size is related to mass and is 3d. So not the right term to use, but "twice the size" for a sphere doesn't mean 2x the radius, -
IATTM
It's 2x the volume unless otherwise stated. Then you get into the mass compressing due to gravity, but still something to think about.
IATTM
But I do fully appreciate your explanation and it as a lot to the conversation with solid facts :)
PballQhead
"Size" without qualification (mass, volume, dimensions) is meaningless. To Pat Q. Anyperson off the street, it's generally dimensional, e.g>
PballQhead
a 100cm diameter exercise ball would colloquially be considered "twice the size" of an 50cm ball despite being 8x the volume/4x the surface.
vowofloudness
It's about 27,500 times our sun's radius, so ~23 trillion times its volume.
PballQhead
I was assuming most people would be thinking diameter; it ain't 6.5 billion times as wide for sure.
Muffyns
how much size is it comared to sun
ButteredNoodleDriver
The black hole itself? That doesn't have a size as by definition it is infinitely dense - it's essentially 1 dimensional, a point in space
Axianamos
Black holes are probably spherical. They compress matter as much as possible but its still compressed around something
ButteredNoodleDriver
From Wikipedia: "the singular region has zero volume"
vowofloudness
Very big.
Toffeeaccident
At least twelve sizes yes
Oblok
Something's not right here. 6.5B times more massive, 23T times the volume would make it less dense than sol. Isn't a black hole more dense?
vowofloudness
Weirdly, because gravity is an inverse square relationship, black holes get less dense as they get bigger. To make our sun into a black 1/3
vowofloudness
hole you'd have to crush it down to 6 km across. But with enough mass the density drops. If you filled our solar system (Pluto's orbit) 2/3
vowofloudness
with plain old air, it would be a black hole! And the one in M87 is more massive than that, so its density is about 1/3 of air. 3/3
zagibu
What is? The event horizon?
E4r3nd1l
No, that's a 1996 film with laurence fishburne and the first attempt at warp travel without a Gellar Field.
abhorance
I love that it's pretty much accepted 40k cannon
E4r3nd1l
The writer admitted he was super into 40k while writing the script, so yeah, it's canon.
vowofloudness
Yes; the Schwarzchild radius for 6.5B solar masses is ~19.2E9 km.
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zagibu
Thanks. The dude was called Schwarzschild, tough, but I know it's probably weird to have 3 consonants that all sound similar in a row.
vowofloudness
Oops, thank you for the correction.
derJake
Black Shield is kind of an awesome last name as well.
Baron29
It's the size of the actual core even knowable? The size of the EH is a product of the object's mass, isn't it? So the size is irrelevant?
JackBaler
there's no way to actually go in and verify, but it's commonly accepted that the core of a black hole is a singularity, an infinitesimally>
vowofloudness
Schwarzschild radius and EH are the same thing. We don't know what's inside, if there's even an inside, so EH is the only size that matters.
Dusseldwarf
Yeah well there's no sound in space, so 23 trillion times 0 is still 0.
RatToofus
vowofloudness
The sun sounds like a microwave. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I-zdmg_Dno
PowerToAllThePeople
For a split second I thought you meant the sun would beep when it ended.
Hurro
I mean it'll beep once.
PangeaSeparator
How many washing machines is that?
Khelan2050
0.2 football fields
CompletelyOrginal
2 large boulders
GhostOfDolomite
Black holes are capable of traveling at insane speeds and smaller ones NOT currently consuming galaxies are invisible to us as no light ½
dylancockels
Hawking radiation begs to differ
dylancockels
Essentially quantum pairings where one photon appears just outside the event horizon and the anti-particle of the pair appears within.
dylancockels
Avoiding sublimation - there is a theory that that is how ended up with matter in the first place!
dylancockels
Via the big bang ofcourse
GhostOfDolomite
It's like "spotting" something tiny in the desert as observed thru a coffee straw, but worse.
HandoB4Javert
Just rewatching Star Trek: TNG and the episode The Naked Now touches on gravitation and collapsing stars.
rbudrick
We detect stars passing other stars. Could we not detect black holes passing stars?
oprahslovechild
My six year old is obsessed with them and talks of our impending doom often.
stronomer
Black holes don't just travel "at insane speeds". Stellar mass black holes are stellar remnants, and in the same way that no 1/
stronomer
stars are just flying towards us "at insane speeds", no stellar black holes are expected to either. 2/2
GhostOfDolomite
Would you accept "uncomfortable speeds"? Perhaps "faster than the speed of smell"?
MKUltraMega
What about ludicrous speed?
ifindthingsinteresting
I don't even want to think about plaid.
TheAssassinArtemisEntreri
Stellar mass black hole ejections happen when larger black holes consume another and is ejected from it's galaxy center by the collision
stronomer
Yes, but the projected ejection velocities are also not that huge. But they are more massive, you are right.
stronomer
Or rather they *can* be more massive
GhostOfDolomite
²/² escapes them. This means one could be screaming towards us right now and we wouldn't know it. Just suddenly "blip" out of existence.
OwlBeReady
https://youtu.be/u5oHxPwtz7E
OwlBeReady
History channel has several of these full length doomsday by space events and others posted on there YouTube channel.
LenneSamunai
i think that would be the best 'way to go' . surprise black hole attack!
sgtmajorcool
Well... now I can’t stop thinking about that.
GhostOfDolomite
Sharing is caring. Now we're family.
pfshfine
Hope it gets here soon. This shit sucks.
nightrodrider
I for one welcome or dark destroyers
superunderpants
We would see it because of the gravitational lensing it would cause. We would be helpless but still
BillandTedsUnremarkableTripToCostCo
You can play with scenarios like this with Universe Sandbox. Spoiler: you’re more likely to simply fuck up the orbits of everything in (1/2)
BillandTedsUnremarkableTripToCostCo
the solar system, which is honestly just as bad. (2/2)
NergalJester
What about a really really tiny one? Like a few millimeters? Would it just bore through the earth and whoever was standing on it?
Rifneno
"Could be" = one in a quattuordecillion
LongtimeLurkerFirsTimePoster
We are always 8 mins away from finding out that the sun exploded.
SonderingStrike
The Black hole itself is invisible, but the effects on light that it doesnt consume, and gravitational lensing are very obvious
TwoFlower68
usrnametaken
It's enough for it to pass by close enough to fuck with the asteroid belts and orbits and we would suddenly fund space programs
Howlingowl
We wouldn’t really blip out just be torn apart. You can exist inside a black hole. There’s a theory that our universe exists inside one now
IdUpvoteYouButYoureAt69
Spaghettification!
Trialsin
Beersapper
One can only hope.
GhostOfDolomite
This guy gets it.
Kingdugga
Could we do anything about it? Nope. Would it happen within a timeframe even comprehensible to humans? Nope. So why worry about it?
tuller29
Worrying about incomprehensible crap is my super power.
GhostOfDolomite
Who's worried? I came from the void, I'll go back to the void.
FlissFloss86Gaming
That's the way I want to go out. Blinked out of existence in an instant
CUBErk
I want to disappear in a puff of logic
CUBErk
The cosmic aneurysm
68people
Itd be a blip if we're lucky.
GhostOfDolomite
True story! Nobody knows what goes on in there, we could experience distortion of time that makes time pass differently as we ½
GhostOfDolomite
²/² approach and then one moment that lasts seemingly forever. To the outside observers we're ripped apart, to us 1 second lasts eternally?
GhostOfDolomite
Hope were doing something fun, not stuck behind some slow ass or (god forbid) at work.
cheesedogs
Would it be so sudden though? Like would time dilation make us all perceive an infinite duration of time?
Szavor
I think the moment Harambe was killed is exactly the time this happened to us and spat us out into a different dimension
ThMick
For the thousandth time, it was when they switched on the LHC at CERN for the first time.
GhostOfDolomite
Lanhdanan
One would think the gravitational effects and photon disturbances would give us some indication that our solar system is in trouble.
SteveIrwinIsMySpiritAnimal
Come on, man, everyone knows visible light is the only way to see or measure anything /s
shadowofacrow
Depends on its speed.
Iamthebuttofmybestjokes
We would know something is up yeah but we would still be fucked. Would be interesting to look at while it happened tho
qwerty1418
If we knew exactly where to look I'm sure we could detect it from gravitational lensing or something similar. 1/2
qwerty1418
But nothing would actually stand out about it without some very detailed searching, which is impossible to do across the entire sky.
Yakatakaplah
You're operating under the assumption that we're watching the universe closely enough to catch something like that.
RedClaws23
Astrophysicist here! Nope, we'd have less than an hour's notice in the best case scenario- not enough for bare minimum rocket launch times.
PaintedSlate
That makes sense with the whole exponential effect of gravity with distance and the speeds involved. What would such an impact look like?
PaintedSlate
Like, if it hit Mars (or a Neptune), would it leave an identifiable mark that would last for a geologically long time?
iSellTeenyTinyFrogGreenBabyCoffins
Doesn’t time slow down as you approach the back hole tho?
RedClaws23
Yes and no*. It's complicated but the TL;DR is it's not enough to make a difference until we're too close to survive anyway.
pomax
Not really, we wouldn't even have gotten the data processed before the planet was already gone.
omuaomua
scientist began thinking that planet 9 is maybe a lil black hole... also maybe in the middle of there
itrynottocommentbutyoumakemecringe
They all go really close and far from that star in orbit. Yikes
omuaomua
also that plane nine does not exists, but there is a black hole in the middle of them
YouHaveNoodsAndIHaveAnInbox
Sauce? Sounds like an interesting read.
thefellerwhathadthatusername
Plane nine? From outer space??
HypersonicHero
Lol, no. There aren’t to the best of my knowledge natural processes for planet sized black holes. Micro black holes sure, but those are
schwarzerpanther42
But even than we won't be able to do anything....
SirRichardOfHead
Nah, we'll just send a bunch of oil drillers with some nukes to blow it up. No biggie.
rocksarecooleverybodyneedsapetrock
You could meditate
troawai
We would see the gravitational lensing of objects behind it.
Lanhdanan
Oh, we'd be fucked. No question.
HillCountryRambler
Not that guy, though. No one wants to fuck him.
ButterLube
Ya billions of years from now
LazyEmt365
Not really we would know long enough to build Orion space craft and get some measure of the human race to safety
MaadMaanMaatt
But we’d still send up a drilling team and nuke behind them as a back up plan.
devasto
Orgies
ProThespian
This is what Space Force is for, right?
cheesedogs
No, only for messing with north korean satellites
Soggybathroomsock
We could send Bruce Willis and his team of oil drillers, I saw this documentary about them once and they seemed quite competent.
randomwalrus
Aside from the one who succumbed to space madness.
thurmur
You must not have finished the documentary. Bruce Willis actually sacrifices himself towards the end so we'd probably need to go with 1/2
EscapingJupiter
Yea, and that crazy swede/russian Peter Stormare!
SuperIncoherentRantingMan
All we need to do is send a squad of US cops into space Armageddon-style. There's nothing black that US cops can't or won't beat.
ItSeemsYouHaveSufferedaTerribleFate
Man I miss when banter wasn't 90% political & hysteria driven horseshit.
Dracon27
But is a black hole really black?
winternal
nobblestein
Here we go again.
Nuclearun
Maybe. The problem is that we only really *look* at a small portion of the sky with the delicate equipment. If a small one was heading our >
Nuclearun
Way, we'd need to be looking in the right direction, for the right thing, and hope it actually draws a person attention rather than sitting>
Nuclearun
On a server forever waiting to be looked at by a human. Our *best* bet to see it ahead of time would be if it got something, like Neptune >