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mygloba101
It's one of the few Christmas songs I like. people need to quit searching for drama and hate to start
deepthinkerIthink
I'm curious about the songs in their regular rotation. There are many top40 out now that are blatantly raunchy.
Kahleesi
There’s raunchy and there’s a song that sounds like genuine rape.
ModeratinginModeration
This is why I exclusively play Butcher Pete for the holidays.
getmesomepizza1
They've pulled Rudolph as well because of bullying. If you're fake offended enough context is just an illusion
MarvinSuggsMuppaphone
Instead of (again) taking the whole context that shows that even misfits have a place!
kousoku
Private radio stations can play whatever they want. Be mad at the station for caving to idiots.
FlatPlutoSociety
Or just be glad that they're not playing it, because rapey or not, it's an INCREDIBLY irritating song.
siler7
But if they want to cave to idiots, then it's not up to them. Right? Then it's your decision.
generalsplayingrisk
I mean, as long as they can afford to keep the station running, and if they're running near the red they might play it safe
justpointingouttheobvious
Be mad at society for making radio stations feel like it has to cave to idiots to avoid a boycott based on complete nonsense.
Housemaster
For all the complaints I hear about Christmas music, taking away one song seemed to put sandpaper in everyone's knickers.
temujin9
Or maybe don't bother getting mad about shit that doesn't actually affect you. (Or stay mad. I'm sure it'll do wonders for your health.)
Notme68
Clear Channel owns a large portion.
Arcian
They aren't caving to idiots, they're caving to clickbait articles written by "journalists" who create fake outrage to generate ad revenue.
mattbl
It's business. If they think they're going to lose listeners, they'll pull the song.
Ferrumkit
And radios stations aren't exactly rolling in cash these days.
Fairdinkums
I'm mad at everyone and I'm not even from your country
itsjustafatkid
I’m mad at everyone all the time.
Radants
Danishlmgurian
SCP1504
“Hey what’s in this drink?” “Baby, that joke is 11 years old...”
DuelDoubleUnderscore
I’ve heard 1 christmas song on the radio and then it changed back to Crappy modern music. Got to love radio stations.
AranaDiscoteca
Unpopular Opinion: Social progressives efforts to eradicate problematic things entirely paves the way for regressive thinking to take root.
MisunderstoodRock
Just as the original context should be taken into consideration, current day context is also relevant. It's why laws get edited and reviewed
MisunderstoodRock
Neither should be the sole factor taken into consideration. Perception can be a very important element to be aware of.
bunnyrut
It's an annoying, outdated song. Literally out of date, it's not relevant to people who listen to it now. Why are people fighting for it?
BeerBugs
They don’t give a shit about the “cause”. They care about the advertising revenue.
MachineInterface
Ah so now suddenly it's censorship when a private radio station decides not to play a song for reasons *you* don't like?
wadatahmydamie
“Muh free speech” types love to bitch about it when people express speech they dislike. They almost universally hate “academia,” for example
BillyYumYum2by2
They are also obsessed with capitalism, unless it works against them like in this example
NitroHeist
There are rap songs on the radio, about objectifying, raping, murdering, stealing, drug use, vandalism, etc. But this song sure is the worst
AllHailTheCritbow
This is the third time some variant of this has been posted in the last week.
PaxAuTelemanus
People listen to radio?
McDuffkins
A 20 says this station will pull 'Baby it's cold out' but I bet they will keep "Hey Joe" in rotation.
Shadowmoor241
What's the relation between the two songs? And I assume you mean the Hendrix song? Unless I've not heard of the song you're talking about.
redwingsarebad
"Hey Pete" is the clearly superior version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_rbl4CYZXk
ilhares
Yeah, what's wrong with "Hey, Joe"? It's a man who's going to murder his woman for cheating on him. Crimes of passion, not uncommon.
McDuffkins
Well it's not a lyrical interpretation of date rape, so it's all good I imagine. Also I think the lyrics talk of the murder in past tense.
ilhares
It does eventually get to the point that it was clearly in the past, yep. I just wonder if he based the song on any particular actual event.
Willowknowsall
Right, no one was trying to coerce a woman into unwanted sexual contact
TheSexInstructor
Did you not even read the post, which clearly explained it was not about coercion?
McDuffkins
But I could be wrong.
theuncommon56
GuardsmanMiku
its a Christmas song, ofcourse it is
Verldemert
I like it. It’s always been on my christmas playlists and will stay right the fuck where it is.
Satherian
It *is* just kind of a crappy song
DrewSf29
Last one should read: it's just a nice duet that can actually sound quite amazing when sung by the right 2 people (Will Farrell and Joey De
DrewSf29
**zoe** Dechanell
MarvinSuggsMuppaphone
*Zooey Deschanel*
SunnySarah20
*Leon Redbone
IxnayOnTheOttenRay
No. It's a fantastic song. The arguments are still quite valid.
TheMadCoder
I agree
tuxedobob
You just don’t like love songs, do you?
CyranoDeBurlapSack
Not the way bublé sings it. I’m a definitely straight white male and I’d let him bend me over the couch if he wanted. Maybe I’m mostly str8.
LickMyNutsAndCherryIceCream
Bubles voice is like smooth silky caramel dripped in your ears.
nclu
Herero-flexible
CaldariBob
DanielRadcliffesDeliciousAsshole1
Agreed and I’m between bi and straight same with Ryan Reynolds but I would also fuck Cher or Stevie nicks as long as the don’t stop singing
BHPaperstacks
I have never liked this meme until now
aguacatedeldiablo
It's not at all hard to understand the context of you actually listen to the tone. Jokes like that *are* still relevant today, because not /
benayises
Yeah, people thinking that every single word is now literal are the kind of brainlets that other brainlets get worked up over then the third
benayises
set of brainlets come in and complain about the second complaining about the first, and here we all are on imgur
aguacatedeldiablo
2 every situation is actually that ambiguous. We should not cave to an ever present state of fear and mistrust. Play the song or not, I
aguacatedeldiablo
3 don't give a crap, but don't tell me how I should feel about it and I won't tell you how you should feel about it.
kookyabird
Have people told you how you should feel about it? I've only ever heard people's personal opinions.
aguacatedeldiablo
It's literally in the comment I'm responding to, talking about how *we* understand the song differently today than *they* used to.
emocin
Were you waiting all year for this?
wheresmybanana
C’mon, it was just about a lil p in the ol’ v, as it were
Sugarleaf
Tab A into Slot B (◍◠ლ◠◍) /snicker
Boggles3
Who you callin lil’
Jakethesnake357
A bit of the ol' in out in out
wadatahmydamie
This shit again? It wasn’t about rape when it was recorded, but it’s certainly the wrong message now.
Ginkawa
How is it the wrong message now? It still isn't about rape.
wadatahmydamie
The message being that “no” means “keep trying” with an intoxicated partner.
Ginkawa
but IN THE CONTEXT its not "really" intoxicated, and the "no" is SPECIFICALLY a message TO keep trying. context matters.
wadatahmydamie
As I said, back in the day, it had a different meaning. If they don’t provide context before each play, your context is meaningless.
Ginkawa
The context is pretty clear contained in the song though...
OverpricedCrayon
Or how about ban it because its overplayed
wadatahmydamie
I heard it eight times yesterday, each by a different pairing
Unclemuscles09
OverpricedCrayon
Same. Im sick of all of them, but im also a grinch and dont really like christmas time all that much.
NotSoSmartAlek
My opinion, throw MORE Christmas songs into the mix, use more of the old classics and new ones, don't just replay a half-dozen.
JABBATHEWOCKY
The real insight here is to see the anti-sex nature of contemporary feminist critiques of culture... it’s roots are in a Puritan ethic
Ginkawa
kinda like the irony of the radical far left being very much more racist than average.
BahamutBBob
I can't believe it took until 2018 for people to complain about this song. In a modern context, it's sounded rapey for a while.
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Ginkawa
I think thats probably why this is SO much of an argument, really. its not as obsolete as people want to make out.
Ginkawa
1) its been argued about every damned year for the last several. 2) no, it doesn't sound rapey if you pay attention.
BahamutBBob
I've read an analysis on it in some post here, so I know it wasn't when it was new.
BillyYumYum2by2
Before #MeToo, concerns about this type of this were mostly brushed off because lots of people (mostly men) didn't realize how rampant it is
Ginkawa
by "it" I take it you mean women being socially treated badly if they are honest about wanting sex...
BillyYumYum2by2
I said what I mean by “it”. Well before you responded
Ginkawa
Yeah but that doesn't have anything to do with the song.
BillyYumYum2by2
It = harassment, coerced sex, assault, rape, etc.
LogicalAbsurdities
Why is no one complaining about Every Breath You Take?
MarvinSuggsMuppaphone
It’s coming.
Onlyhereforthelaughs
If that song is about date rape then Elvis' "Teddy Bear" is about a roleplaying furry.
Onlyhereforthelaughs
"I don't want to be a tiger, 'Cause tigers play too rough. I don't want to be a lion, 'Cause lions ain't the kind you love enough."
IcedVenom
Did you overlook Elvis' song "Don't" ? ....... "Don't, don't, that's what you say Each time that I hold you this way"
Onlyhereforthelaughs
"Baby let me be your lovin' Teddy Bear. Put a chain around my neck and lead me anywhere."
BillyYumYum2by2
As long as it's consensual furry roleplay, great! Who cares?
Onlyhereforthelaughs
Didn't say there was anything wrong with it, just that in a world where furries exist, this song carries new meaning, at least to me.
Valdros
If you have to explain the context every time for it not to sound rapey it's probably better to not bother. Free market and all
IamNotAshamed
honestly you have to be braindead for it to sound rapey
Vhyson
If you aren't stupid, the entirety of the rest of the song should tell you that one line wasnt about rape.
Ginkawa
I've always thought it was pretty obvious.
Radants
Should only have to explain once to any intelligent person. Also fuck the free market.
Valdros
An explanation that doesn't come with every time you play it on the radio, and one most people don't know 1/2
Valdros
And yeah, fuck the free market, but you can't blame a station for not playing a song people don't want them to play 2/2
breakingcode
Yeah, trying educate stupid people never gets us anywhere, better to just let them do what they will and get out of their way.
Valdros
Not knowing the exact context of a specific song you heard on your morning commute makes you stupid? Or should they describe it every time
breakingcode
If it makes you outraged enough to complain (despite not learning/researching/confirming) then yes.. 100% fucking stupid.
DangerCookPF
You seem to have a rather loose definition for stupid.
breakingcode
Nope, it's actually the textbook definition. "Having or showing a great lack of intelligence."
DangerCookPF
This may be just me, but even knowing the context doesn't really help. I still find the song uncomfortable despite it all.
DangerCookPF
However, I'm not arguing that it should be removed from the repertoire of any radio. I'd just change the channel.
CandidGamera
Also the fact that is is originally - historically - not intended that way doesn't change the fact that it's hella rapey today. Because, ->
Ginkawa
But it ISN'T "rapey". That just isn't what it means. People just fail to understand it.
IamNotAshamed
even in modern context it's not rapey.
personalpackagehandling
....how?
CandidGamera
<- as we've been told by OP, context matters. And that includes the modern context.
Mirawatts
I stand by that original context is what's important. If modern context obscures that, the people should want to understand the origins.
Valdros
Your radio Christmas Playlist isn't the place to figure out the origins and culture of whatever song you hear
TheTrueRetroAdventurer101
I agree with you. Language evolves...saying someone is "a gay fellow" means something totally different than Dickens or Twain intended !
samwyze
"Let's all go to a minstrel show, they used to be fine in the past." This is what I hear when people defend "Baby, It's Cold Outside."
Someshithead241
That's... Just stupid. Can you not see the difference? One thing actually is what we see it as, racist, but was accepted because that >
Someshithead241
Was the thought process at the time. Why it exists the way it does, is because of its original context. Much like this exists the way it
MrBill1
Oh and ban the bible, there is rape, murder and all kinds of things that don't fix todays context.
Valdros
I could get behind that, for entirely different reasons
Necropoledancer
It doesn't even sound rapey tho. It's at best mildly coercive, "oh shit, it is cold outside, guess I have no choice but to sleep with him"
Intruder1902
Exactly, it’s pretty easy to tell just from the tone.
Valdros
I mean, trying to stop someone from leaving followed by asking what's in their drink, I can see how you can get confused
Ginkawa
well, I can see why Drax would get confused anyway. I always thought the meaning was pretty clear.
2pillows
That's not great either. Not because he necessarily does anything. But because of the implication
Ginkawa
what implication? that she would be socially judged harshly if she said what she wanted in a straightforward way?
2pillows
Is joke. From it's always sunny if I'm not mistaken
Dwerioc
DontLookBackInAnger
People these days look for just about anything to get offended about. Apparently VeggieTales is evil now
morbidlysmalldick
I always fucking knew it!
Lulabel73
I can’t believe you just said that
Nietzscha
I'm not religious, but I fucking love Veggie Tales. Don't you step on my Veggie Tales you easily offended pricks. Btw, what are ppl saying?
UglyHorribleGrouchyOldMan
How dare you accuse me of being easily offended.
AggressiveChickenSandwich1
I've been looking for the whole cucumber for my salad... Last time I saw it was on Mom's nightstand. :O
authoritech
Misery loves company. We'll get the attention we're "entitled" to if we bitch and moan about everything.
Ben1045
Lord of the Beans was hilarious. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCIPHkTQuQ
Ben1045
Go to 47 minutes and 58 second in
dumpsterjedi1
Seriously why do some vegetables have eyes and some do not? I must know!
whatupmyknitters
all the potatoes in my cupboard have eyes
MrSaturday
You do not have a cupboard, you have an enchanted dark jungle hidden behind a common door.
SorenAziz
People that have to much time and comfort need to find ridiculous things to get mad about unfortunately.
ILikeToCallItLostWages
It's definitely not these days. People have thought X was bad for society and should be banned since fucking Martin Luther
XaiaX
No it just sucks.
CptJohnYossarian
Predacane35
Bob the Cucumber shot everyone!
DireSnails
Bob the Tomato, uncouth swine. Larry is the cucumber.
Predacane35
And you would be fucking WRONG because I'm referencing the Drawn Together parody.
Predacane35
https://youtu.be/24lTzNqfnNw
meauho
Legit Answer: Some Christian groups have been attacking VT for years because it wasn't Christian "enough". Even the creator noted (1/2)
meauho
that he was "wrong" to teach "morality without Christianity". It's considered fluff that says "being good without god is ok"
hootimcowlface
Wow, that’s messed up
Gingrish
OK, this I need to know more about. How on earth are veggietales evil?
Ben1045
Just watch it. Evil brainwashing in a healthy disguise, irreverent to a literary classic. /s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b21_lqLET0s
BlackberryCobbler
Barbaraaahh...Manatee, Manatee, Manatee, you are the One for me, one for me, one for me... Clearly stalking poor Ms.Manatee.. BAN IT lol
MufinMcFlufin
Considering they have a lot of biblical tales I can understand why an anti-theist might say something like that, but idk if that's the case.
KingMurdoc
I mean, I hold a fairly anti-theistic view but I don't really see it as evil. Misguided maybe, but evil?
LoTRFanatic42
Biggerbluer
i wanna know too
shortwarrior
TALKING vegetables?
dmax12
Basically it isn't evil, but it left the "God" message behind, and just became a Generic CG children's show
2020Gamer
But God made us special and he loves us very much :(
JustLettingPeopleBeWrong
God made us dumb assholes and constantly punishes us for existing.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaab
Fundamentalist propaganda.
pogoblaster
Because of the cucumber
Predacane35
He needs a clum baby.
DireSnails
Larry did nothing wrong.
MattRexPuns
This I want to know too!
Yellowjacketjack
Because it's moralistic proganda I guess (probably not why people are calling bad though)
Satherian
True. Thankfully it's not shite
lurksohardmotherfuckerswannafindme
Oh damn don’t teach people to be morally right. What the hell.
MinxyJinx
Apparently all the villans have accents, and the main characters sound white...so someone interpreted this to racism
MinxyJinx
Pretty sure they fight pirates with accents...must be racist against pirates too
Sheepyhead
I like that you had to state the absolutely absurd claim of sounding like a color to try and explain this
MinxyJinx
Sounding like a color?
Sheepyhead
"the main characters sound white"
gaidinbdj
You should probably rephrase this.
Sheepyhead
Probably, but that'd take like a whopping 10 seconds of effort and my brain is tired. Somebody massage it
md22mdrx
Regardless of the original intent ... 99% of the people listening to that song have never seen the movie for the context. Deal with it.
wadatahmydamie
This. No need to crucify it, but the last thing we need is a “no means keep asking your intoxicated partner” message.
Nuuuuuwong
The buzz created about this issue is likely more beneficial than if the song was never scrutinized.
OmniscientJonSnow
Again, context- There isn't anything in the drink, that's the joke.
wadatahmydamie
Alcohol is in the drink. It was a common thing to say, back in the day. Again, no means no. It’s that simple
OmniscientJonSnow
and it's cold means it's cold. The phrase "No means no" is a modifier to the fact changing a yes to a no is almost impossible vs no to yes.
OmniscientJonSnow
So it is in fact not that simple. And she is IMPLYING there may be alcohol in the drink as a justification for her behavior.
md22mdrx
Again, 99% of listeners never saw the movie. That’s not the context in which they’re listening to it.
CandidGamera
So, "context matters" except when a modern context makes the statement indisputably daterape-related, huh? Historical context isn't the ->
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Ginkawa
there are people who dispute the shape of the earth. some people think Gif is pronounced like peanut butter.
CandidGamera
<- only context that exists, you know. That's kind if the WHOLE THING about context, there are SEVERAL. Something that somebody bleating ->
CandidGamera
<- out truisms like "CONTEXT MATTERS" ought to know lest they sound like a total idiot. Little experiment: go ahead and publicly exclaim ->
Mercenarity
The context of the song is historical context. Reading it in modern context is an objective misread. This has been explained at length.
Mercenarity
There's nothing inherently wrong with people being a little weirded out about it. The song is dated, but that's why explanations are posted.
Mercenarity
This is what you think it means vs. this is what it actually meant. Same thing can be found in other language/culture barriers.
CandidGamera
As has been explained (ah, reading comprehension) there is not ONE context (otherwise it'd be text). Historical context: not rapey. Modern->
CandidGamera
<- context: rapey. It's surprisingly simply unless you're one of those clods hell-bent on being offended about people being offended.
Mercenarity
That's why I said that there's nothing wrong with people being confused about it. Explaining the culture of when this was written helps.
MHJohnston
Context does indeed matter. Art is not just what was intended, but how it’s interpreted.
MHJohnston
Listened to in the context of today, the song is no longer innocent. I support those with empathy for others.
Counterfit
Something something libtard cuck feminazi
Ginkawa
except yes, it still is. people being dumb doesn't change what it means.
kittybuttwiggle
Sadly sometimes that empathy is hyper focused on a specific cause and manifests as screaming demands and accusations at everyone else.
AccountCreatedToUpvoteDogs
You don't get to tell the content creator what their message or intent was. That's not empathy
MHJohnston
Too true. You don’t get to tell the content creator what their intent was. Mostly because the songwriter, Frank Loesser, died in 1969
MHJohnston
But as I mentioned, art is in part how something is intended by the artist and in part how it’s interpreted by the audience
MHJohnston
You may find nothing wrong with it. The station chose to have empathy for those who no longer appreciated it in its current context