now this is what i like waking up to. the news of ukraine punching the russians who have invaded them, in the dick. again and again. over and over and is very good at it. keep it up
This is giving me future America vibes. We might be getting bombed in the near future, but i know we will be expected to drive into work while we are being bombed.
If the Russians used nuclear weapons they'd lose any support from the likes of China. I also can't really think lf any way the Russians could use nuclear weapons in a way thay would be decisive but not cause their own destruction.
Three schools of thought. 1. Western: Putin lost his mind and thought he could recreate the glory of USSR and attacked unprovokedly 2. OffensiveRealism: The west pushed NATO closer to Russia to eliminate all negotiating power. Russia preemptively attacked. John Mearsheimer supports this. 3. DonbasCW: Ultranationalists who came to power in a western coup initiated a civil war with the residents of Donbas who are culturally close to Russians. Russia reluctantly got dragged into this war.
4. Putin ran Russia into the ground because he is a greedy dictator, so he invaded Chechnya and robbed them, then Georgia and looted them, too, and the Russians were appeased. Then he thought "look at all that stuff in Ukraine" and wanted to pillage them, too, to keep Russians pacified. Ukraine said "no thank you".
Double propaganda failure for Putin: That smoke can't be hidden or "not reported on" like the Russian media not reporting on Russian atrocities, and Moscow is supposed to be the best air defense area the Russians can think of.
Russia very recently enacted laws that reporting this sort of thing is treasonous. Like in the last weeks so they knew it was coming their way and still couldn’t do anything about it.
Slava Ukraini, but... this is real footage, right? Look at the size of those licking flames and how high they are from the ground, and compared to the size of the cars between the fire and us. WTF is burning like that? How big was the target compared to the surrounding buildings?
I get what you mean, those flames do appear huge, but if that's some sort of fossil fuel repository or anything with large amounts of flammable chemicals that is definitely a plausible flame. There's no other indicators of AI, the smoke moves normally, there's no weird fore/background detail (or lack of), car movement is consistent and they don't change shape or color when passing behind each other. Just a gigantic-ass fire.
Ive seen clips from multiple news and other sources. Also clips of Ukrainian drones also just circling the skies, taunting air defenses to see what response moscow would put up. Its so paper tiger.
Surely Putin knows this too. Is it too late to fully mobilize? Their economy is ruined anyway, they were in a demographic slump BEFORE this. I know the partial one caused panic, but like… what’s the plan, Stanovich
This is a great point! The Japanese have historically been seen as the harshest about this, but I found even in the ROK there was a very “us” “them” dichotomy. Not that they aren’t welcoming and great - they just adhere as a Korean unit, lol. I read a think piece about if reintegration were to happen, there would be obvious physical differences between north and south that would have to be reconciled.
Another likelyhood would be that should Russia collapse, China would grab back the outer Manchuria which it still views as it's legal territory. As recently as 2023 they released official maps where cities had Chinese names rather than their present Russian ones.
Vassal state works better because you don't have to spend any of your resources paving roads, running hospitals, etc. You can just make them sell you the resources you want for basically nothing and keep them as economic slaves.
They definitely fucked up their demographics. Unlike what western right wing propagada tries to tell you, Russia already had a worse demographic crisis than Europe. Fewer and fewer young people to more and more old people. Then came Covid 19, which I have on first hand accounts was way worse in Russia than the Kreml admits. THEN they start this war and not only lose a lot of younger people in the war, but also cause over a million of their young, educated professionals to flee the country for>
good. Now Russia looks at having both too few young people for too many old people, but also too few educated young people to work in those jobs like engineering, I.T., science etc.
Right wing propaganda tries to paint Russia as this last remaining bastion that has not yet "fallen to mass immigration". What you see in Russia currently is a country desperately trying to get as many educated Indians and Chinese to immigrate as they can, to somehow keep the economy and demographics viable. Not >
that I think that that is a bad idea. But it's extremely ironic, considering how they are being romanticized by far right anti-immigration ideologues. Hell, there is a whole genre of TikToks of indian men talking about how Russia is such a great place to find a woman, because Russia actively wants Indians to immigrate, there is a huge shortage of men and the competition by russian men isn't that big. That's like the literal horror-scenario of far right men.
And then, just like the USA, when the crisis is over, maybe 50 or 100 years down the road or whatever, the nation will turn on those immigrants they begged to come and help them, call them names, round them up, and deport them. Don't fall for it, India!
Nah, China has no interest in that. They "cooperate" with so many countries already, keywork New Silk Road, that they have access to arbitrary resources already.
I think you are significantly undervaluing the resources in Siberia - energy is 10%+ of the world's oil and 15%+ of the world's natural gas supply plus coal and uranium, plus hydro and significant minal deposits and the difficulty that Russia would have stopping the Chinese after depleting their military in the Ukraine and the vastness of the region. And there are less global consequences than attacking Taiwan.
I'd be a little nervous about the consequences of runoff from Rus "nature preserves" into that water. Uranium and Plutonium are heavy but still mix well with water. The legacy of their nuclear dev test disasters is almost as bad as Chernobyl.
Newdonster
Good
xxFUBDxx
Russia is asshoe.
Fyreworx
Dragongurl392
I love that for them.
RooGryphon
now this is what i like waking up to. the news of ukraine punching the russians who have invaded them, in the dick. again and again. over and over and is very good at it. keep it up
Che07
War is finally coming home. Russia is a walking dead.
TheSpindrifter
Kinda hard for the Rus equivalent of "Red Hats" to ignore fire dropping from the sky into their Capitol city
slidewhistlesymphony
Slava Ukraini!
thrashingcows
Heroyam Slava!
bambinod
"Nothing to see here, move along move along!"
ShearingBlizzard
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
ChadMaxxington
Oh no.
Anyway
DustinJL
https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1cWpqeGJ1cDIyOW5iOHpobGl5MWZ0OWF6Zm52eTE4dTVnc3lwdHZ5YyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/J8FZIm9VoBU6Q/200w.webp
Matrelith
bexxMaker
Rangar
Russia flatted Eastern Ukraine without a second thought, it's only fair Ukraine returns the favor.
MahadmaGaudi
impayshunz
...Contact, one of my favourite movies.
MahadmaGaudi
yes, was hesitating to use it in that context
stoots24
That opening shot is magical. And the kid running for the medicine cabinet....
thaGh0stD0g36
All the news thats fit to print. Unless you're criticizing Israel or...?
khaoselement
Fuck 'em all the way up.
RandallKavanaugh
Now do it again.
Onenottaken
Another special operation
NakedEggSalad
This is giving me future America vibes. We might be getting bombed in the near future, but i know we will be expected to drive into work while we are being bombed.
lonelyrangerofthedreams
Maybe removing any intelligence connections between USA and Ukraine during this war was not that bad after all.
spittleteets
I read the title as if Ukraine attacked Moscow in WWII...yup, I'm overworked...brain is mashed potatoes
RooGryphon
No this is ww3
RemtonDulyak
Just the intro chapter, so far, and there might still be time to veto the publishing of the book...
RooGryphon
Wasent the start of the second one when Germany invaded? So yeah its just different starting countries
RooGryphon
Isreal is speedrunning it
ugopb4me
nikinnorway12
Man, that sucks. Maybe they should march on the Kremlin or something.
clemdarkstarzero
Слава Україні!
anjeleyezjr
I hope that they continue to beat the shit out of the russains, but also worry that the retaliation will be nuclear.
ForthBridge
If the Russians used nuclear weapons they'd lose any support from the likes of China. I also can't really think lf any way the Russians could use nuclear weapons in a way thay would be decisive but not cause their own destruction.
017renegade
Idiots! Why would they even invade Ukraine in the first place?
TheVampireDante
Their dictator said he wanted it, so they tried taking it. Didn't go as planned.
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017renegade
I'm pretty sure Ukraine accepted a no-nuke deal if Russia promised to not invade. So.... https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1YzdoZjFob3RteTF0Y3p6b2hnajgwcXk1bHQ5N3gzYjMyc3p0M3VoMCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/pPhyAv5t9V8djyRFJH/200w.webp
fibbertitgibbet
Three schools of thought.
1. Western: Putin lost his mind and thought he could recreate the glory of USSR and attacked unprovokedly
2. OffensiveRealism: The west pushed NATO closer to Russia to eliminate all negotiating power. Russia preemptively attacked. John Mearsheimer supports this.
3. DonbasCW: Ultranationalists who came to power in a western coup initiated a civil war with the residents of Donbas who are culturally close to Russians. Russia reluctantly got dragged into this war.
iusedtodream
4. Putin ran Russia into the ground because he is a greedy dictator, so he invaded Chechnya and robbed them, then Georgia and looted them, too, and the Russians were appeased. Then he thought "look at all that stuff in Ukraine" and wanted to pillage them, too, to keep Russians pacified. Ukraine said "no thank you".
fibbertitgibbet
Not so different than 1, frankly
michiyl
Double propaganda failure for Putin:
That smoke can't be hidden or "not reported on" like the Russian media not reporting on Russian atrocities, and Moscow is supposed to be the best air defense area the Russians can think of.
Go Ukraine, show them what you have to endure!
StarscreamAndHutch
Russia very recently enacted laws that reporting this sort of thing is treasonous. Like in the last weeks so they knew it was coming their way and still couldn’t do anything about it.
Slava Ukraine!
firlefranz
❤️🇺🇦❤️
🔈on!
Soufange
Slava Ukraini, but... this is real footage, right? Look at the size of those licking flames and how high they are from the ground, and compared to the size of the cars between the fire and us. WTF is burning like that? How big was the target compared to the surrounding buildings?
It feels like AI.
Ivain
I get what you mean, those flames do appear huge, but if that's some sort of fossil fuel repository or anything with large amounts of flammable chemicals that is definitely a plausible flame. There's no other indicators of AI, the smoke moves normally, there's no weird fore/background detail (or lack of), car movement is consistent and they don't change shape or color when passing behind each other. Just a gigantic-ass fire.
StarscreamAndHutch
Ive seen clips from multiple news and other sources. Also clips of Ukrainian drones also just circling the skies, taunting air defenses to see what response moscow would put up. Its so paper tiger.
Johnsky
Russia is already dead, they just haven't run out of reserves yet. China is absolutely going to take over eastern Russia.
dogmatix
Dunno if China even wants that, but if it did I think a lot of the population may welcome it.
joshuasplinth
Surely Putin knows this too. Is it too late to fully mobilize? Their economy is ruined anyway, they were in a demographic slump BEFORE this. I know the partial one caused panic, but like… what’s the plan, Stanovich
ChelVanin
They’ll probably just turn it into a vassal state like North Korea. China is very particular about who is them versus who just works for them.
B0ardski
true, as racist about asians as americans used to be about irish and itallian, let alone other phuqing colors
joshuasplinth
This is a great point! The Japanese have historically been seen as the harshest about this, but I found even in the ROK there was a very “us” “them” dichotomy. Not that they aren’t welcoming and great - they just adhere as a Korean unit, lol. I read a think piece about if reintegration were to happen, there would be obvious physical differences between north and south that would have to be reconciled.
Radix865
Another likelyhood would be that should Russia collapse, China would grab back the outer Manchuria which it still views as it's legal territory. As recently as 2023 they released official maps where cities had Chinese names rather than their present Russian ones.
TheSpindrifter
I remember when in the 60s Sinon classrooms had Australia marked as "New China".
Ultratoxic
Vassal state works better because you don't have to spend any of your resources paving roads, running hospitals, etc. You can just make them sell you the resources you want for basically nothing and keep them as economic slaves.
ChelVanin
Hell, china already does that with most of its western rural provinces.
mercyPandaRunner
They definitely fucked up their demographics. Unlike what western right wing propagada tries to tell you, Russia already had a worse demographic crisis than Europe. Fewer and fewer young people to more and more old people. Then came Covid 19, which I have on first hand accounts was way worse in Russia than the Kreml admits. THEN they start this war and not only lose a lot of younger people in the war, but also cause over a million of their young, educated professionals to flee the country for>
Dannyalcatraz
When I went there in the early 2000s, Russia was STILL suffering a demographic imbalance between men & women due to the casualties of WW2.
mercyPandaRunner
good. Now Russia looks at having both too few young people for too many old people, but also too few educated young people to work in those jobs like engineering, I.T., science etc.
Right wing propaganda tries to paint Russia as this last remaining bastion that has not yet "fallen to mass immigration". What you see in Russia currently is a country desperately trying to get as many educated Indians and Chinese to immigrate as they can, to somehow keep the economy and demographics viable. Not >
mercyPandaRunner
that I think that that is a bad idea. But it's extremely ironic, considering how they are being romanticized by far right anti-immigration ideologues. Hell, there is a whole genre of TikToks of indian men talking about how Russia is such a great place to find a woman, because Russia actively wants Indians to immigrate, there is a huge shortage of men and the competition by russian men isn't that big. That's like the literal horror-scenario of far right men.
iusedtodream
And then, just like the USA, when the crisis is over, maybe 50 or 100 years down the road or whatever, the nation will turn on those immigrants they begged to come and help them, call them names, round them up, and deport them. Don't fall for it, India!
SalmonTheWise
50 or 100 years? Hah. 50 to 100 days more likely.
Bystandr
GoodGuyGonzo
DonaIdJ
Holy shit
igglebotato
2nded
stronomer
Nah, China has no interest in that. They "cooperate" with so many countries already, keywork New Silk Road, that they have access to arbitrary resources already.
SheepySleepySmuggler
I think you are significantly undervaluing the resources in Siberia - energy is 10%+ of the world's oil and 15%+ of the world's natural gas supply plus coal and uranium, plus hydro and significant minal deposits and the difficulty that Russia would have stopping the Chinese after depleting their military in the Ukraine and the vastness of the region. And there are less global consequences than attacking Taiwan.
mercyPandaRunner
They do. The chinese government even callen on chinese investors to buy up what they can in Russia.
Why do you think they should just pass on that opportunity to expand their economic and political influence and leverage?
villlllle
Of course they have interest in controlling the strategic resources in Siberia.
VegaJuniper
They desperately need oil, as does most of Asia. They're the most dependent on gulf oil.
Russia's future is probably to be China's petrol station.
joshuasplinth
Agreed. Russia being off the board, and China standing to profit from friendly Russian oil prices is probably the thing Xi Jinping would prefer most.
pixelsnader
Lake baikal is the world's largest freshwater reserve.
TheSpindrifter
I'd be a little nervous about the consequences of runoff from Rus "nature preserves" into that water. Uranium and Plutonium are heavy but still mix well with water. The legacy of their nuclear dev test disasters is almost as bad as Chernobyl.
pixelsnader
Sure... but in the Aipocalyse, when you get to choose between lithium-water, mercury-water, maybe-radiated-decades-ago-water and no water...
Johnsky
Correct, it holds as much water as the great lakes combined.