My dad, a Trump supporter, after listening to Kinzinger's closing statement last night, might have just turned into a FORMER Trump supporter.  I can only hope it it lasts.

Jul 22, 2022 5:03 PM

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(1) full hearing link from the most unbiased source I know. This speech starts at ~ 2:27 https://www.c-span.org/video/?521771-1/eighth-hearing-investigation-january-6-attack-us-capitol

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4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Lincoln would be proud of this man.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Don't get your hopes up- all it takes is an afternoon at a MAGA barbershop ,and they'll be back- But I hope i'm wrong.

4 years ago | Likes 21 Dislikes 1

We can have our political differences while still loving democracy. We got nothing without it.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Some A+ editing here. Thanks for not chopping off his sentences.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Thanks for noticing! Seriously. I went through a couple versions to make the cuts reasonably flow.

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Did a great job and it shows.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

My concern is Reps win midterms and the 2024 presidency, and all this goes away as they implement a real life version of the Purge.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I'd like to see Adam fun for a higher office. I say this as a Dem, Illinois and fellow Redbird.

4 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 2

Now abolish lobbying and legal corruption and we can call that a good start.

4 years ago | Likes 22 Dislikes 1

and impeaching several members of the Supreme Court

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Most*

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

just the ones that overturned Roe, among other things

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Nelly said it best. “I’m just playing…. Unless you’re gonna do it. “

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Only thing I've said that MAY have gotten through to any of my family on this lately is playing the "world we create for your children" card

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

"I HOPE you're right climate change isn't real b/c look how bad it is now. When your 4yo grows up? I hope you've done right for them..."

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Kinzinger was firey. You can tell how disgusted he is. I wish more repubs had this much backbone

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

You had to be pretty fuckin stupid to vote for Trump and you had to be unimaginably dumb to do it twice.

4 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Got to say, thank you.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Trump tried to steal an election through multiple means, if elected again...he'll probably succeed in getting a third term as well.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Great use of "elephant in the room"

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

@op you should include a link to the source used, preferably to the specific time stamp.

4 years ago | Likes 144 Dislikes 5

Thanks for the suggestion. let me add that in

4 years ago | Likes 51 Dislikes 0

Great work op

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Thank you!

4 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

I'm just hoping National Geographic makes a timeline documentary that gets aired every Jan6th, like NatGeo turns into the Nazi Channel...

4 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Every memorial day, or veterans day

4 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Unbiased source: https://www.c-span.org/video/?521771-1/eighth-hearing-investigation-january-6-attack-us-capitol @ time 2:27

4 years ago | Likes 381 Dislikes 11

Sorry bud, you know the rules: v

4 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 10

I'm happy for you your father actually let facts influence his opinion. Here's to hoping that more trumpers will land back in reality.

4 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 0

Note that's two and half hours in, not two minutes 27 seconds.

4 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

That's not unbiased, they worked for him, so they know how much of a piece of shit he is better than anyone.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The media source is unbiased.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Didn't realise I needed /s after that. It thought it was obvious, my bad.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

All good. I've tried to assume less these days cause you never know!

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Doot.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

(sorry for the sourcing via comment. I tried post-editing but it didn't stick for some reason)

4 years ago | Likes 66 Dislikes 4

Definitely unbiased. All posted statements were facts and included the uncut video.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It actually did stick. Sometimes it takes a couple minutes for the hamsters powering Imgur’s servers to catch up.

4 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

That's a fake feature. they added it to appease those that asked, but it's never worked.

4 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 1

I've made it work. Only saves if you take down by making hidden first, then edit, then share public once more. Saves the pts/comments iirc.

4 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

afaik tho when made hidden, viral rate drops. if more viral new content while down, it won't show up again. doesn't go usersub again either

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

so needs to be edited early while still in usersub, or once already established in daily/weekly best. MV edit in desktop kind of defeats it.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

but following up in the comments is often much simpler than losing viral position.

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

A trump supporter is still the same if they support republicans if not trump. They have successors lined up with the same zeal.

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

So is anything actually going to happen or is Trump just going to call this fake news on his social media platform and hang out in Florida?

4 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

He already called it fake news before it even started.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

We don't have high hopes, but if there is actually a consequence it could shore up hope and belief in democracy

4 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

We are waiting for DOJ to act. Merrick Garland has to do this.

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Isn't it odd how just one person seems to control if Trump gets indicted? IDK, I'd check his bank account/donations...just in case.

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Indeed. But he did recently speak to the press and said the old, "No one is above the law" which, basically says that Trump can't "executive

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

privilege" himself out of criminal activity.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

@op Question. Why did your dad, as a staunch Trumper, watch the hearings? All the Trumpers I know refuse to give it a glance.

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I think he finally saw how close I was to making him choose between having me or trump in his life (I didn’t say it, I think he sensed it)

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

that sounds like there is some hope cause usually it's an easy choice for true magats. They would have just gone "you cut yourself out".

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Hehe, he said duty.

4 years ago | Likes 67 Dislikes 10

We must have said duty 30 times after, like the 10 year olds we proudly are.

4 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

4 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 1

Tbh its not enough to dislike trump supporters, i have beef with trump tolerators too.

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Anyone have a transcript link?

4 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Thank you

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

You just gotta scroll for a bit. you are looking for timestamp at about 2hr27minutes

4 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Don't say I told you so, be helpful, answer his questions, try not to criticize too harshly or he'll pull away. You can save him.

4 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

And don't make it seem like he has to repudiate the issues. Trump is the acute problem. Separate Trump from conservative issues.

4 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

this. Invite him over for pizza and beer, don't talk politics. Defuse the tension, let him observe that liberals might not be what he's -

4 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

been told.

4 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Don't make MAGAs pick between Trump and progressives/Dems. Validate their support for DeSantis, for example. (a bitter pill indeed)

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 7

Oh, no, not going to go that far. DeSantis isn't a "sane republican" he's fully on the MAGA train, except he uses complete sentences. ->

4 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Depends on what you're trying to do. Want to deprogram a MAGA loved one or win a political argument?

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

He may be more dangerous than Trump. Make no mistake, he's every bit the fascist that Trump is, without the stupid.

4 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Friendly reminder, the republican party would not be what it is today without "moderates" like Kinzinger, Cheney, and Romney. They have...

4 years ago | Likes 43 Dislikes 10

Been using fear and lies to ramp up their base for decades. This was the ONLY possible outcome. Fuck all of them and their voters.

4 years ago | Likes 35 Dislikes 7

I remember when conservatives and liberals both agreed on what was best for the people of this country, but wanted to get there differently

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Exactly. They knew the danger of radicalizing a violent base. They made their bed, no they gotta lay in it. Unfortunately, a lot of them 1/

4 years ago | Likes 23 Dislikes 2

are now too afraid of speaking out against it because that would place a target on them by the very ppl who voted for them. Morons. 2/2

4 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 2

A target for being primaried out, or assassinated?

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Yes.

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

At least they've realized they fucked up and are trying to fix their fuckup. A little late to put that toothpaste back in the tube, but -

4 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

it seems they are changing some minds. Not like a lot of these seditionists.

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

No, they haven't realized they fucked up. They don't think they had anything to do with this. They're going to go right back to it.

4 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

The ONLY way you can convince people that conservativism is good for them is by scaring the shit out of them and lying to them.

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

agreed

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Dude's a good speaker

4 years ago | Likes 1189 Dislikes 5

He should run for politics or something.

4 years ago | Likes 125 Dislikes 0

In 2020 I was surprised that he seems like a decent guy for a Republican, in 2022 I'm not surprised that his party ran him out of the office

4 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

He sounds a lot like a pastor to be honest

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Someone with morals and integrity I hope, because that's who he sounds like to me

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

So... not a pastor?

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I cannot make a blanket statement like that...

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

He's my rep, honestly these hearings are the first time I've been even a little proud of it. At the end of the day though he still sucks.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

only reason he's saying any of this is because he's not up for re-election....

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 20

So what you mean is that power and politics corrupt. Any any official longer in office than one term is a liability.

4 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

He joined the committee before that was decided. When the chips were down he chose country over party. I think that counts for something.

4 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

As is Liz Cheney. I believe most Republicans, while their politics suck balls, are very confident speakers. As is Obama. And sorry to say

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Trump as well. Even tho he's very very unbelievably stupid he's confident in himself and it shows. That's why he has a cult. He attracts

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

people that envy him. That's why he sttracts stupid people.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

He was a firebrand only the likes of Chaney can beat.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yes I read your comment just as I was thinking that

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Now imagine how things would be different if Gym Jordan was up there.

4 years ago | Likes 30 Dislikes 0

I'd give this one a chance before that creep.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I’d rather not.

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Fuck that sniveling lying POS.

4 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Sniveling lying PIECE OF SNOT...

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Please everyone vote Rs all out - local, state, all elections - especially in the midterms. https://www.nass.org/can-I-vote

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

He's still a scumbag. He is just as happy to take away your reproductive rights as Kavanagh or Barrett.

4 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 10

If we want to encourage the right actions, we should be able to recognize and laud when it happens. Else, there's no incentive to change.

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

When the chips were down, he chose country over party. I think that is worth something, even if you do not.

4 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 0

Everyone is a mix of good and bad or agree and disagree. Gotta appreciate the good and harass them for the bad.

4 years ago | Likes 24 Dislikes 2

This. It seems both sides focus on absolutes.

4 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 2

It seems that so many Rs are a mix of bad and bad though

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

4 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

I made my 85y/o(w/ dementia) who still touts the party line sit through this last night.

4 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

what was the result of that?

4 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

No longer talking politics.

4 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

Is that good or bad?

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Good.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Fantastic news

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

I they thought they had a winning counter they'd all over talking politics.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Oh shit, Americans, don't do that, don't you guys give me hope you're gonna be cleaning up a bit

4 years ago | Likes 941 Dislikes 5

Historically, increased aggression of the right comes as a last desperate gasp before progress. The old guard are dying off very soon.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

There will be followers, but with OG segregation-era racists still in power, you can't move until there's a generation raised on progress.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

At that point, all leftover racism from that era is taught, not experienced, so there's no more longing to return to "back in my day".

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Hopefully this will be done by mid-term. Or everything risk of being thrown out and the Fascists will be in power.

4 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 0

Don't worry, we'll fuck it up in November.

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Don’t have hope. The people who still vote republican and support trump are, as a whole, too dumb to change their mind. I have a coworker

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Who actually blamed the abortion issue on Biden and said we need to go back to trump. Even after informing her the SCOTUS justices picked by

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

The fuckhead are why this happened and Biden had nothing to do with them she remained skeptical

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

LOL nothing will happen. Or better said, it will get worse.

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Shit can go sideways just like that. Don’t hope for this fucking government

4 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 4

Bwhahahahahaha!!

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Please don't do this. They're simple, anything to get them to at least follow their own laws deserves a pat on the head.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

It’s the hope that kill you.

4 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

Check after the mid-terms, November 5th. That's the date we'll decide to become a christo-fascist nation, or not.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Do hope... but don't hold your breath. I want us to dig our way out of this. I'm not sure we can/will, but I still want it.

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Come on guys do it, I know many bitch and moan about you (some for good reason) but you still have many friends rooting for you.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Do we have a fucking option? We clean ir we die.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Don’t be silly, we’re just rearranging the furniture.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Just enough to fly under the radar again...

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

It is definitely going to get worse before it gets better.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Hope for the best and expect an average Tuesday

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

On JAN 6 alot of my coworker we FUCKING pissed and wanted trumps head on a platter ...trust me our elected officials DO NOT represent us

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

This isn't the cleanup. This is the lifting-up- the-rug-and-realizing-how-filthy-it-actually-is phase. The cleanup may or may not follow.

4 years ago | Likes 242 Dislikes 0

Can't drain the swamp when there's a big orange hairball holding it all back.

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

In all likelihood we’ll just put the rug back down and pretend we didn’t see anything.

4 years ago | Likes 68 Dislikes 0

If we do anything about it then we would have to acknowledge other corruption which won't happen

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Jan 6th was turning on the light and seeing the hundreds of roaches. This is the "holy shit, look at all the roach shit everywhere" phase.

4 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Hopefully we get around to fumigating the house, instead of moving and letting someone else deal with it.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

We're going to be living with the aftermath of Trump for decades. I hate it

4 years ago | Likes 22 Dislikes 0

I'm glad I'm not younger. I'd be hopeless. I feel sorry for the children. Especially girls. Scary what might happen to their personal righ

4 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

SCOTUS was the prize and Dems should have raged at GOP snub Obama for a nom and buttery males handed an upset win to an orange troglodyte.

4 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

As an American, don't hold your breath.

4 years ago | Likes 65 Dislikes 9

You're not changing I take it?

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Getting worse is a *kind* of change

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

I'm gonna do it, and live with the outcome. Or most likely, die.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Yo. I get it, there's a lot of evidence we'll never have change. But if we never even hope for it, what chance do we have?

4 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

You’re watching it happen, it’s just not fast enough for anyone.

4 years ago | Likes 101 Dislikes 4

I want to believe.

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

We're watching them get to the point where they maybe start to clean some of THIS up, but meanwhile ten new messes have been made.

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It's painfully methodical. But if that's what it takes I'm all for it

4 years ago | Likes 28 Dislikes 0

If they don't close the deal before midterm, they're all out and the GQP will take over

4 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

The people who would want Trump back in office aren't going see reason and just vote blue if he's indicted. We are all going to have to vote

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Nah, this is—to use a metaphor so beloved by the GOP—merely aiming the barrel. Whether or not somebody has the guts to pull the trigger in >

4 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 4

< time or not remains to be seen. I'm FAR too much of a realist about this stuff anymore to think it'll actually happen, but here's hoping!

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 3

Hope springs eternal, but reality hits like a bitch.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

The one thing that gives me hope is the massive increase in voter registration nationwide. If dems sweep the midterms, we have a real shot.

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I really hope we do. Both Presidential AND midterms are critical anymore. We've gone so far right that it will take many, MANY wins to >

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

< get us back on stable footing, but it will only take a single noteworthy loss for us to tumble off the precipice for good.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0