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FP EDIT: Woah, first time to FP and totally unexpected as political stuff usually gets down voted to hell. Glad my hunt for answers is something many people clearly want also! If you've got awesome info on any of these candidates, go ahead and send it my way. I'm trying to stay as open as possible until I can firmly decide who I can throw my support towards come November.
P.S. Sorry about spelling/grammatical errors. Proof reading was on short supply during the making of this.
Trying to be as impartial as possible, just looking at facts. All info is from either official candidate remarks or platforms on their websites or in articles, and some from sites sourcing data on all candidates.
FOR MOBILE USERS: http://imgur.com/a/SsTBn
Hybris51129
A post that doesn't out right make Trump or Hillary seem like the devil incarnate, what more can we ask for?
sebastionloeb
Seems fairly accurate and unbiased. Youre the kind of person we need alot more of on this website
LoopStricken
* a lot
sebastionloeb
And less people like you...
LoopStricken
*fewer
25kDow
Lmao
sebastionloeb
+1
sebastionloeb
Lol, damnit.
Bsamurai89
Donald Trump - make america unclear again.
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failphins2
When did the US stop being a nuclear power?
tachikaze316
Positions unclear, Trump caught in ceiling fan.
jcarn
Several of these "unclear" ones have been clearly stated. On gay marriage for example, Trump said each state would decide for themselves.
stoploggingmeoutImgurIfuckingswear
He also said that he is for traditional marriage CNN's State of the Union. He has also said in 2013 in an interview with MSNBC that 1/2
stoploggingmeoutImgurIfuckingswear
"I am for traditional marriage, I am for a marriage between a man and a woman.” Among other examples you could easily look up. 2/2
jcarn
Yes, those are his personal views, not any kind of legislation he wishes to push.
bigian77
Can I check your sources op? Don't wanna just take this at face value you feel me
thetrueexcitementofalargesquirrelpredictingtheweather
I went directly to the candidates websites, then tweets and articles with verified quotes, then . I don't have a list...
bigian77
No worries! I'll take that. This is really useful, thank you my friend.
nitinjoshi
TPP?
tokomak
basically exporting US laws to a trade agreement, so they can't be challenged within the US legal system.
MindlessChaos
Yep. It's not a good idea imho.
tokomak
On the surface "yay other countries will be compatible/trade more with us" but below that yeah. Don't take it out of the hands of the judges
ilovethatyoucanmakestupidlongusernamesonthissite
Trams pacific partnership.
ilovethatyoucanmakestupidlongusernamesonthissite
Trans, that is.
IbukiOnTheScene
damn, I wanted to take the tram across the pacific
ilovethatyoucanmakestupidlongusernamesonthissite
I would be all for that too!!
steveofthejungle
Twitch plays Pokemon?
Jesus5
Trump and Jill are anti-TPP, Clinton and Gary* are pro-TPP
IntegerWoman
HRC has been anti-TPP since bernie pushed her so far left.
iloveyourdog
Clinton has backed way off TPP and has said she no longer supports it, Kaine was on board prior to her VP pick, not sure where he stands.
Jesus5
*Gary said he was against it but he'd still sign it because his advisors told him it would help the economy
OptimisticButSoFarResultsNotGreat
Nice work OP.
chuckNasty757
I think you've put more effort into Trumps platform than Trump has.
Cheomesh
I suspect Trump has actually put a lot of effort into finding out what will get him votes.
mrsashbash
Wut
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KODLAKofNEBRASKA
The decline for years now and this sporadic rain showers and blaring sun is destroying existing crop. To say it doesn't exist is nuts
EliteSpork
Welcome to the USA.
thetrueexcitementofalargesquirrelpredictingtheweather
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jan/24/bernie-s/yes-donald-trump-really-did-tweet-climate-change-h/
KODLAKofNEBRASKA
Also were running out of fossil fuels we need new power sources. They can't deny this !!
DerSubhuman62
I always thought that was a joke, but wow, that's one more thing that scares me about Drumpf
ManFromMelbourne
If you research from reliable sources from private companies (Not Government), The Climate change is tbh not affected that severely by us 1/
ManFromMelbourne
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J10SWVK_mDM
ManFromMelbourne
Just a good point for you to quickly watch 3/3
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recovide
"If they don't do the right thing, why should we?" That's the kind of attitude that really advances civilisation.
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darkchiron
That's also his excuse for why he's against shipping jobs overseas but has several oversea businesses himself.
recovide
I'd agree with you if this was some general policy on business, but we're talking about the health of the planet here (1/2)
recovide
(2/2) there's no space for nationalism on a burning ship, we have to start putting out the fires regardless of national profits
Naternutts
It's not that the right doesn't believe that the climate changes over great periods of time, its that there is a litany of evidence 1/
Naternutts
2/ showing that politicians on the left exploit the living fuck out of this mundane fact for personal/political gain, and their
Naternutts
3/3 constituents eat it up.
darkchiron
Yeah that's why they say sea levels can't rise because ice melting in your glass doesn't make the water go up.
Naternutts
Good point
MidiArbite
The EPA as it stands has vastly exceeded its mandate, especially given its relatively illegal original creation via exec order.
TheFakeFaker
Congress signed off on it after the fact, passing a law saying he had authority https://www.congress.gov/bill/98th-congress/house-bill/1314
MidiArbite
Still not the best process, and they've only chipped away further at the separation of powers since then.
MundaneFinality
Is that a surprise? Not beleiving in climate change has been a right-wing platform for a long time now.
neanderbob
That's BS. Right is saying its not man made but a natural ebb and flow. Mini ice age style. Also that labs are forging evidence for money
neanderbob
Evidence of the last in some emails from arounf 2012 somewhere.
MundaneFinality
The replies to this comment should be evidence enough that this is not an uncommon idea.
bigjoosh
Yup... cause 3 millimeters of water added to the coast of Florida is going to kill off the entire human race.
mrsashbash
I mean...I knew they didn't want to spend money on it, I didn't know they flat out rejected its existence...
darkchiron
We had a congressman bring a snowball to congress to show global warming can't be real because we still get snow.
thattheologyguy
I don't think global warming is a thing, but I think we need to take care of the environment anyway.
comfortableshoes
Yes, and in the Republicam party platform, they officially state they do not believe in global warming.
CommanderWilliamTRiker
Right-winger here : I believe in it, I just don't think it's important. Earth warms and cools. Humans will die. Oh well.
ResistanceIsFutile
I've been aware of that, but it still blows my mind that they can and do. What the actual hell, green-eyed bastards?
tabasco225
How have all those Al Gore Doomsday Prophesies turned out?
allchinoman
Strong answers here
MundaneFinality
Strong answers to a strong question. This conversation is entirely garbage.
AcidOPhilus
This is horrible. Climate change is by far the most important issue facing America and the whole fucking planet right now.
LegalizeHarambe
You're a fucking idiot if you think climate change is a more pressing issue than the economy and national security
Cheomesh
Or the excess population and Western overpopulation in general.
smoogy
Climate change is always happening it's just a question of whether or not it's a problem
fourtoomany
As a Californian in our fourth drought year, yes it's a problem
Ihazcheeseburger
You live in a desert... Move.
smoogy
What can you do about it though
meatsuite88
It really is a problem.
Ihazcheeseburger
It's grossly exaggerated - Like most apocalyptic predictions from both scientists and religious zealots.
meatsuite88
I think your talking about the politicians who use fear mongering for political gain. Scientific progress is only concerned
meatsuite88
with peer reviewed data.
Ihazcheeseburger
There are quite a few "activist" scientists out there in prominent positions that blur the distinction.
BrazilianThunderPanda
I can't support a candidate that supports business deregulation. I might not trust the government but I REALLY don't trust corporations.
neanderbob
1. Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under
neanderbob
2. Robber barons than under moral busybodies. The robber barons cruelty may sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who
neanderbob
3. Torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience - C.S. Lewis
SomeWhiteKid
If you have a deregulated business sector and a small government with informed consumers what can go wrong? 1/2?
rshini
Triangle Shirtwaist Factory
SomeWhiteKid
A key part of business that I don't see people understanding is the Survival of the Fittest aspects of it which has been abolished 2/4?
SomeWhiteKid
We have turned in a corporate state but in proper capitalism business can help the people thrive and help the government. 3/4th
SomeWhiteKid
Deregulating all business would mean deregulating competition meaning lower prices, higher wages, better products, and more. 4/5
SomeWhiteKid
A good example of this is Henry Ford who needed workers to compete so he made a living wage and worked hard to make good products. 5/5
BrazilianThunderPanda
After Enron, the banking scandals, deep water horizon oil spill, Elk River chemical spill & fracking disasters businesses cannot be trusted.
SomeWhiteKid
After The Holocaust, The Armenian genocide, Stalin's various purges, and much more why trust the government and the people who follow it?
BrazilianThunderPanda
Those aren't the US & aren't recent. Right here, right now I don't think Exxon & Wall Street can play on the honor system.
SomeWhiteKid
Alright what about Manifest Destiny, slavery, and racial discrimination?
chappy321
The government is funded by corporations...thus all the corruption.
SomeWhiteKid
If corps = all corruption how did all the Communist states with no private businesses have so much corruption compared to the West?
itsabouttogetspicy
You don't get it. We are supposed to be a democratic nation but we aren't anymore BECAUSE of corporate string pulling. It has nothing to 1
itsabouttogetspicy
do with how other countries became communist. Those two situations don't equate, unless you mean that corporations are taking the place of 2
itsabouttogetspicy
communists and dictatorships? Because that comparison would make more sense.
failphins2
Corporate taxes should be competitive to keep businesses here. Too many good jobs for people without degrees went oversees
failphins2
*overseas
itsabouttogetspicy
So how about we create policies that prevent them from wanting to send jobs overseas? Like implementing high taxes on outsourcing...
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itsabouttogetspicy
Perhaps other countries could start implementing labor laws and manufacturing restrictions so that they don't look so appealing anymore.
Iamthemonkeymansowhatevercats
I work in manufacturing. Some of it is coming back here because the wages are getting too high elsewhere. Taxes are 90% of why companies
failphins2
Something Trump wants to do? Thank Bill Clinton for NAFTA and our factories heading to Mexico and South America
itsabouttogetspicy
Yeah it's weird because he's normally all about the interests of businesses; he makes his own money via sweat shop labor. Also fuck NAFTA.
failphins2
Not that anyone knows his true intentions but maybe he does care about Americans but takes advantage of the opportunities afforded him
Iamthemonkeymansowhatevercats
I work in engineering, I've seen a lot of companies leave all together purely based on America's high taces.
itsabouttogetspicy
But it's not just the taxes; they SHOULD be taxed for most of the shit they do, yes, but it's also the lack of labor laws in other places...
Iamthemonkeymansowhatevercats
Mostly it's the taxes. The salaries here are competitive for the skill but they pay out the ass on taxes if they're small to midsize.
BrazilianThunderPanda
Understandable, but business who operate here need to pay their fair share.
failphins2
high corporate tax in America already
failphins2
Who determines what their "fair share" is? Everyone employed there already pays taxes, and in a higher bracket than most. We have a very
25kDow
...fair... http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-25/list-97-taxes-americans-pay-every-year ---don't forget about the taxes u pay without
25kDow
Realizing it
Ivalicenyan
Trump won't get any of the felon votes if they're aware of this...
25kDow
Lol he'll change his position once he figures this out
IHateYourHappines
Clearly biased against Trumpleton. You don't even have a category for policy on walls, how good their brains are, or other important things.
twfeline
You forgot how big their hands are.
DerSubhuman62
Or the hotness of a candidate's spouse
IHateYourHappines
Or how suggestive of incestuous relations their relationship is with their daughter
SurvivalNeverGoesOutOfStyle1
We should start having a category for who's dad could beat up who's dad.
DanFlaskHalfFull
size of hands are pretty important to me, sad to see it not mentioned
JasonD
How about who has the best friends?
YourMomJokes
it's gonna be YUUUUGE
Chaos2183
Looking for the category of Energy Level.
kptainamerica
Or hand size.
stoploggingmeoutImgurIfuckingswear
Don't forget penis size.
IHateYourHappines
Oh real fucking funny looser King Trumpletons hands are a totally normal size for an adolescent male. Really tough guy making fun of kids.
idontknowgivemeaminute
Or what their words are like. Are they the best words?
BionicWaffle
I mean he does say things like 'win bigly' so yea, definitely the bestest.
Weentit
Lightweights
MemeStealingSkeleton
Yes they are the best words, the greatest words. Words so good that only losers can't understand.
jeffreybaratheon
For some reason this always makes me think of Hollywoo Stars: What Do They Know? Do They Know Things? Let's Find Out!
thesixthcourier
What is Mr. Peanut Butter's favorite type of berry?
jeffreybaratheon
Barry Bostwick. He would also accepted Franken Berry.
IHateYourHappines
SEE YOU GET IT EVERYTHING THAT TRUMPLETON IS JUST THE BEST, LIKE SO GOOD AT ISN'T INCLUDED.
IHateYourHappines
Losers.
Ashpashsmash
Lightweights.
Grapefruitspoon
Sad.
jcarn
As a foreigner, the fact that your foreign policy, military projects and NATO are not popular issues is worrying.
Morrigi
A lot of people in the US are rather annoyed that our NATO allies are not keeping up their end of the 2% military spending goal.
jcarn
Which is understandable. But spending is not the only issue, perhaps not even the greatest issue.
Morrigi
It's a pretty big issue when the responsibility falls on the American taxpayer
lostnortherner
That's because the more Americans are kept in the dark about what the American government actually gets up to overseas, the better.
IHateYourHappines
I get that friendo. Really I do. As a US veteran I'm very aware how important it is & the disparity to the attention paid. But this isn't..
IHateYourHappines
The comment thread of serious political discourse
idontknowgivemeaminute
We have the best foreign policy. The best. Everyone tells me, listen, just the best. It's what everyone says.
YourMomJokes
it's gonna be YUUUUGE
BuickRiviera
We are like most people. The important issues are those affecting our lives directly. Where we send our tanks/bombs/ships isn't one.
BuickRiviera
But personally I do very much care, and I will vote for Hillary in an attempt to keep that orange toddler away from the nuclear football.
jcarn
Hillary is the one pushing nuclear football closer though. You should really read up more on their stances and the current climate
jcarn
Trump may throw a spanner in the works but Hillary is actively pushing for a new cold war.
thisisareallylongusernamebutsomeoneprobablyalreadyhasit
I'd prefer a cold war to the world war Trump is going to start
jcarn
Except a new cold war situation inc nuclear tensions is already mounting whereas "Trump world war" is based on memes
ARandomHelljumper
Considering the massive buildup of Russian troops on the Polish/Kaliningrad border and Ukraine, we may need that attitude in the future.
jcarn
Disregarding prior development agreements and illegally creating countermeasure missile emplacements is not going to solve anything.
jcarn
Russia is never going to invade Poland and dismantling the balance of nuclear deterrent for the sake of chest beating in Ukraine is absurd.
jcarn
American developments in Europe* I should say
jcarn
I am not excusing Russia's actions, but recent European developments are far more dangerous.
NotABadLookingNarcissist
IMO you're out of the running of you don't believe in climate change. No place in govt for science deniers.
bloatedplutocrat
That's a really good compilation OP http://imgur.com/AYY536R
swinglinered
President doesn't have launch codes.
Counterfit
Someone near the president at all times has them. Only the President and SecDef together can order a launch.
swinglinered
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football
MrBig
Sort of like how you don't have a sense of humor
swinglinered
OyesIdo: https://www.youtube.com/w">178VfNpE">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPx178VfNpE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woops!
swinglinered
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woops! the thing cut off the exclamation point, changing the wiki address.
swinglinered
did it again.... woops! I guess you'll just have to add it yourself to the address bar
kevfd
lol.. seriously??
Jarilith
Thank you! I had been piecing together a comparison of their policies also. Popularity aside, these are what you should base your vote on.
DaddyTurkey
In my opinion, you should always base your vote on trustworthiness first. Even if that means a trustworthy candidate you disagree with.
wrathbaby
Gonna have to disagree, although only partially. This is where you should start your research into how much you believe each candidate.
FrumpyFunYun
Well yes and no. A lot of stuff wasn't covered (foreign policy trade relations etc) and u have to weigh if they'll stick to their position
HastYShade
Actually trump didn't show all of his tax returns. That's why no one knows how much money his company is worth. Trump might not be that rich
HastYShade
But it can also mean that just like Hillary he is cheating. And would not be better than her. So America what do you think?
Jet3444
Only if I could take certain beliefs from each of them and create the perfect candidate!
Antennaehead
Anyone can say they support anything, though. It's about a lot more than what someone says they support...
twozerooz
Theres numerous other issues not mentioned here, e.g. willingness to actually use nuclear weapons
InterestedWalrus
For me, there are certain policy issues I am willing to budge on. But racism and intolerance are not one of them. 1/?
InterestedWalrus
If you look at stuff like this: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/31/us/politics/donald-trump-khizr-khan-wife-ghazala.html?_r=0
InterestedWalrus
You'll see why I'm never voting for Trump.
crooks4hire
I am surprised. As much as I disagree with some of Trump's ridiculous speeches/rants...I mostly align with his policies.
Jarilith
That is my point. I mean this time around neither candidate is really great, so it comes down to policy.
cracktoberfest
I too agree with all of his "unclear" stances.
cracktoberfest
I too agree with all of his "unclear" stances.
BeladridEnArr
Shocker. Sarcasm aside, this is why it's so incredibly important to research instead of relying on social media to inform you of policies.
Ashpashsmash
How do you know? He constantly flip flops.
crooks4hire
Obviously I meant according to this table... There is no good choice, and I'd prefer the US would recycle these candidates and pick new ones
dissentery
Hah, don't bother recycling them! Flush em down the shitter!
Ashpashsmash
Sure and I agree that both candidates are not good. But you can't base things off trumps policies since he constantly changes them.
Ashpashsmash
Look how many "unclear" parts there are for him because of his position shifts for votes
crooks4hire
Agreed lol. I took it for granted that you don't know how much I despise Trump before seeing this.
MidiArbite
Or because he hasn't actually even considered some of them. Like Net Neut he seems to be confusing it for the old Fairness Doctrine.
DoOrDieSlowly
I like the idea of things being left to states. Fifty united countries.. have choice and variety
crooks4hire
That's what the whole point of this was in the first place. We're the "United States of America"...not just "America"
Charger15A
We tried that before it didnt really work. See articles of confederation
ArchSchnitz
Like a confederacy.
Czck
Hopefully soon 51 or 52 states. Kinda douchey that puerto rico and samoa and all those islands are left on the backburner
Guy451
They aren't left, they vote to join or not...
OpalNeraNZ
Hardly United really.....
DoOrDieSlowly
Yeah united. Like friends. But no body wants a bossy friend telling everyone one what to do and think.
BeladridEnArr
States, united in freedom, but separate except when the need arises. Like a close community of neighbors.
Czck
Which one's would those be? All of his policies seem awful
crooks4hire
Reducing middle-class taxes, pro-life outside of tragedy, felons can't vote, eliminate DoE, privatized space travel...
Czck
All of those are shit you pointed out some of his worst policies. Privatised space travel? What in the fuck?
crooks4hire
What is that undesirable? The government shouldn't be spending my tax-dollars on space exploration when children go hungry and uneducated...
xaviouswolffe
I mean, expanding where veterans can get care would help, wouldn't it? Although I admit that's the only one I can agree with.
Czck
Ok veteran help seems wonderful but over the rest he just doesnt add up.
lurkvoter
Does he want to expand where veterans can get care, or privatize completely? His stance is a bit unclear and privatizing would be bad.
ErgonomicZero
Unfortunately, their stated policies and positions usually are completely different from the reality of implementing them or following thru
cactisalt
Its the only thing you can base your vote on though
seedye
They aren't granted wishes by policy fairies when they are sworn into office. Don't like their performance? You can vote them out.
RyanAndTheQuestForWorldDomination
Yes but it's more likely to happen with them than with a candidate of an opposing viewpoint... You gotta take your chances.
jwan
Also note each individual's temperament.
ImAShittyTransAm
Hillary: Cold and calculating, Trump: Thin-skinned, vindictive, angry. Don't know enough about the other 2 to post anything of value 4 them
TheyCallMeMrPigeonCuzImJustSoCoo
What about Andrew D. Basiago, the candidate who says he's from the future and saw himself staying president in 2040? (This is 100% true).
SinceTheAccident
They did an @midnight episode about him that was an absolute delight to watch.
Polaris7
You mean the guy fought pterodactyls on mars with Obama in the future?
theChesCat
Wow! This dude needs to chill with drugs. In 2012 in France we had a guy who wanted a space plan to meet the martians.
sergeatsix30
Keep in mind, this is not the Onion: http://andy2016.com/proposals/
FightMeMrTusk
This guy is amazing. Does he take himself seriously? I mean... Early he has a stance on Sasquatch. Sounds far fetched.
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FightMeMrTusk
Whoa I had no idea it was the timecube guy!!! Hell yeah. I might vote for the first time ever now.
Biocide669
Is TS;DR a thing??? I'm on mobile, that's some tiny reading :P
stoploggingmeoutImgurIfuckingswear
You can save the image if all else fails
Biocide669
Stahp screwing up mah bad jokes!!! :P
babycasey
Always fund planned parenthood.
xmaneds
AMEN HECK YEAH
Xibuar12
Exactly, often people assume them to be only abortion clinics. Which often they provide a service to all women and often little to no charge
greggor
Trump: "Millions of women... that are helped greatly [by PP]. And I wouldn't fund it. I would defund it because of the abortion factor"
greggor
http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Donald_Trump_Abortion.htm
Iamthemonkeymansowhatevercats
Money put there is a great investment. If Gary Johnson, who is against spending any money but still supports PP, you probably need it. Haha
ITryToOnlyRespondInGifs
Amen-got many yearly exams there when I was broke and without health insurance. Also got cheap birth control pills
failphins2
Another organization can provide those needs without the dark history of selling the body parts of aborted children
ITryToOnlyRespondInGifs
You should start one then. For the record they never tried to sell me any aborted fetuses
failphins2
They got caught doing it
st9man
I wish I could pick and choose these topics and make my own leader. Like a build a President workshop
GiantHellfire
In 100 years we won't even have candidates. We'll just choose what policies we support & it'll assemble them into the perfect president!
BiggieSmallsIsTheIllest
Trump said the min wage was too high? Jesus...idk why but out of everything he's ever said that is pretty ignorant.
valen00
the pattern there is trump says it is both too high and too low, he seems to say whatever the person listaning wants to hear
MidiArbite
I think there is a contextual difference, it's too high when outsourcing and illegals are still options. We can only raise after THE WALL.
tardis63
He said, as with gay marriage, it should be up to the states and have no federal minimum, IIRC.
DamianWinters
What about cutting funding to environmental protection and not believe in climate change and believing vaccines give autism, hes retarded.
Morrigi
Trump has said he wants to replace the EPA with something else.
BiggieSmallsIsTheIllest
Also ignorant.
rugger2
He recently said he supports raising it.
HousePest
His stance on the minimum wage has legitimately been on every possible end of the spectrum throughout his campaign. I think its safe to
HousePest
believe his original thoughts on it, as it lines up best with Trump in general. That is, believing that the minimum wage is too high.
MidiArbite
He said it's too high (For the current ratrace of international competition) he's also claiming his protectionism will fix that ratrace.
funnerisnotaword
Anybody who wants a higher minimum wage is about as ignorant as they come. Economics.
Koga73
Agreed. It leads to inflation
swaptrick
Also he wants to cut income tax for individuals who make less than 25k and married couples with less than 80k per year.
ChewyVuitton
Actually Trump said recently he would support a $10 minimum wage
ElectroDragonfly
Should let the states decide. Can survive on $5/hr in Louisiana, $15/hr in New York, everyone gets the short end of the stick.
whyteraven74
If a person is paid a wage that they can only survive on, they're being underpaid.
ElectroDragonfly
Then $8 shouldn't be the wage in New York.
PhailRaptor
Technically it is too high, it's difficult on small business. The issue is that it's required because of how high cost of living is.
BiggieSmallsIsTheIllest
But if u think big business..where they make billions. We're paying for their workers because they aren't paying them enough.
ForReasonsOfScience
He also said he wants to intentionally kill civilians in the middle east and bring back torture "even if it doesn't work."
ForReasonsOfScience
Killing civilians comment was on Fox and Friends, and torture comment was at a rally IIRC.
BiggieSmallsIsTheIllest
Thats a war crime
ForReasonsOfScience
Yes, it is. It's literally the definition of terrorism, killing civilians for a political agenda. The video: https://youtu.be/WWiaYQUV2oM
Andromidous
The sad part is the news will only ever cover 2 of them
stoploggingmeoutImgurIfuckingswear
My favorite radio station had Gary Johnson speak with them on air. I'm not voting for him, but I thought that was cool and I appreciated it.
snet328
Good. Johnson and Stein are awful choices and shouldn't be reasonably considered.
EverthingMakesSenseIfYouUseDickAnalogies
Rather either of them then trump. At least they they sound reasonable and intelligent.
optimisticNIHILIST
Tragic.
pariahdog120
Johnson is on CNN tonight at 9pn Eastern, Anderson Cooper town hall.
ItsATideAdd
In all honesty, kill stein shouldn't be. Down vote me if you want, but that large of a cut to the military is exactly what you DON'T DO.
ItsATideAdd
Jill*
takichandler
She's also anti-vax
takichandler
*vax
AuroraNora33
she isn't can't you read?
DerSubhuman62
Is either of them get 15% in the polls, they're qualified for the debates
EmileLewis
I'd love that! Johnson could siphon some people away from Trump, and Stein would prove to the nation how shitty the Greens are. It's win-win
IntegerWoman
Pretty far off. The current polling is johnson 7ish stein 3ish. a good source for aggregated polls:
IntegerWoman
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-5952.html
ACanadianLostInAustralia
There are a lot of "Unclear's" on Trumps side.
Morrigi
That there are. His foreign policy makes some degree of sense, though.
ACanadianLostInAustralia
Nothing about building a giant wall and making mexico pay for it makes sense.
AuroraNora33
Unclears*
NotTheChad
Exactly
N0ticeablyFAT
This is much better than the blatant pro-Johnson propaganda posted yesterday; thank you.
ANewBadlyDrawnReactionImageAsIMakeThem
I'd like to highlight the 'eliminate federal wage standards' thing. That means companies free to legally institute indentured servitude.
becouse
"rely on free market to bring about environmental protection" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
WilderShrugs
I'm not sure you know what that means.
ANewBadlyDrawnReactionImageAsIMakeThem
I'm not sure anyone here does. What I mean is, eliminating fed means letting corps run employees into a whole with payment schemes.
ANewBadlyDrawnReactionImageAsIMakeThem
*hole, sorry
Steincloth
Found the person with no understanding of economics
whyteraven74
If the people who ran companies understood economics we wouldn't have the issues of stagnant wages or people paid so badly they have no...
whyteraven74
discretionary income. Cause those two things are murder for the economy and thus every participant in the economy. Corporations included.
JohnCalvinCoolidgeJr
No where does he advocate repealing the laws regarding slavery, no need for hysterics.
neanderbob
How exactly did you make that leap?
consentpinky
If company isn't going to pay you.. Don't work for them. Companies will still have to have competitive wages. Slavery is still illegal..
hearthstoneaccount3
Automation is a thing. Don't have to hire humans anymore
ANewBadlyDrawnReactionImageAsIMakeThem
Oh they can pay you all they want. Fed protection is less about how much and more about how.
N0ticeablyFAT
That's one of the reasons why I've said that while his positives are fairly good, his negatives are REALLY bad.
NiceCatchBlancoNinoTooBadYourAssGotSacked
That's kinda the problem with libertarianism in the first place.
Iamthemonkeymansowhatevercats
Also, the vast majority of people now are already above min wage anyways.
Iamthemonkeymansowhatevercats
He mostly wants to leave wage legislation up to the states and local. $10hr goes a lot farther here in Utah than say San Fransisco.
N0ticeablyFAT
Historically, letting states decide if they're going to be decent to people hasn't worked out well. And that's not ancient history either.
N0ticeablyFAT
That's one of the big things that bothers me about the Libertarian party. Their ideas aren't some radical new experiment that we might as...
Iamthemonkeymansowhatevercats
Why? The feds haven't done any better. Social Security is a mess (I won't get any when I retire) and the budget is out of control.
igottafatcat
Wow I actually can't tell who you support; job well done
Dwaynethejockronson
Not Trump, they're literate.
IAlwaysBakeMyTaters
Thumbs up for virtue signalling
maximinusthrax1
This is what I appreciated most about this post. I can honestly say that this was the best info-graphic I've ever seen on this topic.
0110000101110110
yes. its unclear
chunkums
Yeah, this is pleasant. It doesn't follow up the image by bashing just one of the candidates and ignoring the rest.
RichardNixon1972
I can. Stating that some candidates want to raise taxes on the rich so they pay their "fair" share.
Corona688
Reporting what they say doesn't mean who's saying it isn't a lying bastard.
lemonfluff
I am definitely pro Hilary or Jill.
Corona688
Hilary doesn't seem to have a bee up her bonnet about anything. That's good and bad.
rpgnoscope
Considering the amount of information on display, probably Bernie Sanders...
TheHarmed
I can tell that they're anti-trump due to the use of "unclear" followed by "decided by states".
N8Maynard
Well I think that's very accurate. with him actually being very "unclear" about what his policies actually are. Not commenting or flip flop
ThomKlanc
Trump talks in circles and avoids giving clear stances on many issues. Hence the "unclear"
TheHarmed
For weed he's said remove the federal prohibition and leave the rest to states. How is that unclear? The rest of the "unclear" are the same.
SirGunther
It's only clear if you assume to know what he actually supports. He isn't taking a stance for or against. Doesn't want his hands dirty.
DoYouSeeWhatiDidThere
Conservatives are generally in favor of smaller fed govt and giving more power to states to have more say in their own policies/ laws.
TheHarmed
And?
WhereCanYouSeeLions
I'm more impressed that he picked good photos for all the candidates.
rookerrocks
I'm more impressed that there are good photos
thetrueexcitementofalargesquirrelpredictingtheweather
*She
WhereCanYouSeeLions
Apologies.
FailFish
Idk, all except trump are smiling.
Corona688
Have you seen Trump smile? Those are not good pictures.
Grudgebearingmidget
Trump consistently looks constipated in most pictures I see of him though so...
TheCommunistComrade
http://thecount.com/wp-content/uploads/trump-poll-numbers-smiling.jpg
ThatLemonStealingHorse
Those hands... No man has hands that small!
FeyTheBin
So THAT'S why people kept telling about how small his hands are. I barely have any clue because I never squint very hard to find one's hands
killerdecoy7
Isn't it strange that honest reporting seems so foreign now. When you have CNN (Clinton news network) and the like that only show 1 side
ImgurCelebrity
Jill Stein.
littlehugninja
Isidewith.com
Couldnotwouldnotonaboat
I can, look at the order of the candidates
supervillin
Oddly, they're in order of Right to Left, as you go from left to right.
garvamel
D, G, H, J. Alphabetical order of first names.
Couldnotwouldnotonaboat
Damn, got me, i was full of shit
garvamel
Or a coincidence.
TZO2k15
Son-of-a bitch, this should be front page on reddit as this is what the Internet is custom made for!
TheSpeakerOfTheHouse
Your comment made me upvote this, even though I'm not American. Nice work.
Riyakou
Actually some wording on Trump's list does imply unfavorable bias. No, I don't support Trump. I'm just being honest.
Corona688
I don't think it's unfair to say when Trump's stance is "unclear". Evasive might be a better word, but THAT would be opinionated.
hskirkbevva
I don't think so, I think knowing exactly where trump stands on some issues is somewhat difficult to see clearly.
beneboy
"Wants to somehow close off the Internet"
EmeraldMoreLikeUninstall
That is what he said, the followed it with something like, "It'll be the best, trust me. Best you've ever seen."
AuroraNora33
I don't believe Trump is serious when he says Mexico is going to pay for the wall
thetrueexcitementofalargesquirrelpredictingtheweather
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wall
Riyakou
He's not serious with anything he says. He's saying whatever will rile people up.
AuroraNora33
exactly
bigbearsdontcry
to do it right id expect him to put some sources,
lurkvoter
Yeah, this is the first factual and unbiased one of these I've seen on imgur.
Phenomeno
Yeah, they usually just prop up Gary Johnson
DerpyWerm
And after reading this, I honestly can't tell who I support either. Definitely not Trump, but not ALL of his views are bad.
kinglight1337
ya, to many of of his stances on key issues are just plainly messed up, doesn't support net-nutrality, abortions, climate protection, ect.
Junktrunkjunkie
I find myself cringing on all of them at some point. It's hard to find one I completely agree with. or even mostly agree with.
Junktrunkjunkie
I mean gary johnson was looking good but then his stance on 3 important things, Vaccination, minimum wage and college tuition scare me.
DerpyWerm
Not to mention, the whole tax reform thing is.. Interesting. It'd shake things up, but there's no telling if it would be good or bad.
rusty6899
I understand concerns about vaccination, and I am very pro-vax. However, forcing parents to have their kids vaxed seems like a bad idea. (1)
rusty6899
From anti-vaxers view it looks like the Gov is taking their kids away and injecting them with drugs that cause psychological defects. (2)
tyrsfavoritesword
That's what journalism was about... was.
SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE
I kinda doubt that it ever was.
solusbringer
As a journalist in a small market, exactly you show the whole picture not just the part you like.
brasky456
In theory, but there are no big impartial outlets today. Cronkite would probably refuse any of today's major networks on principle.
solusbringer
Possibly there are some major circulated news but they are few and far between. It honestly just comes down to who manages them that matters
RyanAndTheQuestForWorldDomination
There's journalism, then there's media.
AnalBeard
It exists. It's just harder to find.
bambisaurs
Now it's about getting pictures of Spider-Man.
bepadapbadabop
/a/mjsy6
underscoreneckbeard
swolritto
Why can't anyone get me some damn pictures of Spider-Man!? *slams fist onto desk*
Turbosnailz
/a/mjsy6
swolritto
HanSolo312
I thought this would be a picture of spider-man. :(
RealNamesAreNotGreatUsernames
http://66.media.tumblr.com/25cbd9b92a88fb843a7d828d0565afa1/tumblr_inline_nrrr5jVSYX1tvwaxl_540.jpg
kahooki
I miss it...
DerSubhuman62
It's what true journalism still is.
brasky456
It doesn't exist anymore. All the major news outlets and bought and paid for, just like Washington.
ArgonneanPioneer
The state, the city, or the person? (Just kidding)
mnorthwood13
But where?
trainWithLegs
But not current journalism
smartalykk
The sooner we all realize this, the better off we'll all be.
OptimisticDownvoteLover
Indeed.
AnalBeard
True journalism exists, it's just harder to find. It's also generally in print, uncommonly on TV, and rarely in a blog.
YourLordCthulhu
I hear BBC is usually good for non-British news. Not too familiar with them though.
normalnancy
I'm curious, do you have any recommendations?
benovere
This seems relatively unbiased, so +1. No doubt someone will find issue with certain platforms, though.
firerescuecolorado
Only bit that was crazy understated was Clinton's stance on gun control. But overall, as far as I could tell, reasonably well stated.
bigjoosh
Really you can't tell? Obviously Hillary or Gary. You can tell by the Syrian Refugee line.
MidnightRising
I disagree. There's subtle wordplay going on for all of them. Like "Fair share" of taxes instead of "increased" taxes. Or Including (1/2)
Corona688
Reporting what they say they support doesn't mean who's saying it isn't a lying bastard. Digging deeper would be taking a viewpoint.
benovere
You are free to disagree. Relatively unbiased =/= completely unbiased. If you have a more unbiased chart, please feel free to share.
Boobdick
Inherently divisive and negative reaction....hmmm
nclu
I think that may be taking from some of the candidates own language. Alter their words for "neutrality" would be very difficult 1/2
nclu
And most likely would just be adding the authors own biases. Even then the reader would likely be unhappy it didn't match their biases 2/2
MidnightRising
If they are direct quotes then I retract my nitpicking comments!
IamNoneOfTheThingsISayIam
Yeah, "fair" jumped off the page at me too. Still, compared to other things like this, it's not so bad.
MidnightRising
the word "somehow" under Trump's internet policy.
doodledee
Please explain how to effectively close the internet
samwise210
He wants to do something that is essentially impossible. He has not made clear how he wants to do it. Ergo, 'somehow'.
FinValkyria
He hasn't said anything about how he intends to do it and it is essentially not possible to do.
ServantOfTheGodEmperorOfUsersub
Well his policy is the only one that involves something that nobody knows how to do. It's like trying to stop trade, only (1/2)
ServantOfTheGodEmperorOfUsersub
a single open route is sufficient to allow full use. And none of the shipments really are labeled. Etc. (2/2)
bonerific
I agree its pretty good but it doesn't touch on Hillarys method of dealing with Iran, Russia and Syria in which she wants soldiers in all
pap00se
Biased Post. All Candidates apart from Trump are smiling. OP is pro-anyoneotherthantrump
ImAShittyTransAm
Aren't we all?
badgesweedontneednostinkingbadges
Jill Stein does not appear to be smiling. Not frowning like Trump, but not smiling either.
thehammerismypenis
Some of Johnson's stuff seems intentionally worded or expanded upon to make it seem better, but yeah, probably the most impartial I've seen
Iwannaseeit
Idk who to ask but do you know why he wants no federal wage standards?
consentpinky
It's just his whole concept of "it isn't the government's place to control" let the company do what it wants. Same with a few other policies
IntegerWoman
It's a pretty basic libertarian theory, get government out of people's lives. They believe the market will fix everything.
AnalBeard
I read it and just thought he was a bit crazy. I understand and respect those beliefs, but they are not for me.
notanavocado
I feel the same about any breed of hardcore libertarianism. Like, do you really think more free marketism will solve the America's problems?
ImAShittyTransAm
Yeah, I'm sure eliminating minimum wage is going to help the average american. It's a no from me because of that one policy. (well, the) 1/?
ImAShittyTransAm
other policies he has are also a bit ehh for me.) Though I actually find that Clinton's policies are pretty reasonable for me. The other 2/?
byerss
The Hillary gun-control box is extremely understating her position considering she supports AWB. Also: straw purchases are already illegal.
AngryGroundhog
AWB?
IntegerWoman
I think they mean this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban
AngryGroundhog
Thanks. I think the focus should be on high-capacity magazines more than the weapon style, so long as they can't be modified to automatic.
byerss
"Assualt weapon ban" aka nearly every rifle currently sold.
AngryGroundhog
Thanks. But I lived through the original assault weapons ban that expired in 2004, and there was no shortage of rifles available.
byerss
They are supposedly going to fix the "loopholes" (otherwise lawful configurations) this time around.
MidiArbite
It's always a bit hard to judge on a platform versus past vote history. (esp for those liek Trump just getting into politics)
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MidiArbite
"Directly contradicted by previous votes" is even less in my opinion.
BrotherBaconSonOfLoin
Does not believe in climate change.
ARandomHelljumper
Enough said already. That alone should be a deal breaker, when someone refuses to accept scientific facts that need to be actively addressed
MindlessChaos
Models are not holistic enough to get a clear picture.... there is a lot of $$ tied up in this, and shoddy logic in several points.
TheFreshPrinceOfDenmark
This is superb. Only thing I would add is on crim justice reform, Johnson strongly supports private prisons. Not major, but big to me. +1
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pdxenburg
We can vet them against our own terrorist watchlists and months of interviews. Most applications are turned down
GoogleKnowsTooMuchAboutMe
As someone who ten minutes ago finished watching the movie on the Stanford prison, I'm not sure how to feel in that regard.
lambueljackson
Also, he's against Net Neutrality. That's my dealbreaker.
twistedviking
Look deeper than an infographic.
Iamthemonkeymansowhatevercats
I hate this rumour. He's against the specific legislation. Net neutrallity has some really crony specifics that help big corps.
lurkvoter
The issue of private prisons is major, if you're someone who cares about humane treatment & basic human dignity. I wish more people cared.
itsabouttogetspicy
Not to mention the lowered crime rates we'd see with state/federal rehabilitation programs. When you privatize anything, those private 1
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owners want to keep banking on it, which means they would have no interest in lowering crime through honest rehab. 2
WarDragon1984
Re: private prisons http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/cca-private-prisons-corrections-corporation-inmates-investigation-bauer
TimTheEnchanter421
Commenting to finish reading later. Stopped at brick's punk getting beat with a lock in a sock.
WarDragon1984
This is probably obvious, but just to clarify... I did not write that article, was just shown it by a friend, and it seemed appropriate.
TimTheEnchanter421
Yeah that's what i figured, appreciate it though =)
WarDragon1984
Really, the whole idea of a prison being run for profit, rather than for benefit of society as a whole, is just skeevy as Hell IMO.
lurkvoter
I completely agree.
INameMyPetsAfterRedvsBlueCharacters
Now I need to know how Jill Stein stands on that topic.. It's really important to me too
apeacefullysnoringcat
She's progressive as they get, very against private prisons
Mackwop
Why is she so unpopular? Where are all the bernie fans for her? She seems very similar to Bernie yet no one gives a fuck.
Xirema
She's never held public office and has no coalition in congress. She'd be a very poor president, no matter how ideologically desirable.
TheBigRedMachine2213
Because I think a lot of people like some of her policies, but she's very very left and with Hillary being more moderate, she loses out.
Cheomesh
I voted for her in 2012, but my stances (and hers) on things have changed since.
IntegerWoman
She's never held office, some people disagree with her views on vaccines/wifi and her goal of no fossil fuel by 2030 is basically impossible
Purplegill10
Bernie finally dropped out of the race and she got some support there.
TheGoalieGiant
Because she actually believes wifi is harmful, vaccinations are dangerous, etc. A total nut case.
alwaysthecheesegrater
These accusations are false. She's not a nut case at all, people just want her to be seen that way.
Mackwop
But the information above says otherwise doesnt it? Is it false or am I missing something here
Sekolah
This Bernie fan is for her
OldIronsides
I heard that she said WiFi waves are harmful to children...
AuroraNora33
not true
Purplegill10
Low campaign funding, some people feel like her goals are unreachable, and just being unknown. She did hold a mini rally outside where 1/2
herrgrosskotz
Pants are highly overrated
gaijinsmash
Trump does too
Evergrey
That's really major. Private prisons are exploitative and abusive. It's basically slavery.
imalittleshifty
Please accept this in the light hearted humour it's asked in... Are you planning a jewelery heist?
imalittleshifty
I'm not the FBI, just bored and curious
TheUltimatum29
Important to note the reform on drug related/non violent sentencing. Massive reduction in incarcerations. Don't agree with privatization tho
SeymourSnatch
Watch Orange is the New Black and we can see why private prisons are a bad idea xD
apeacefullysnoringcat
ORANGE IS THE NEW BLACK
bringingclawstoagunfight
THAT SEASON FINALE THO
pariahdog120
He wrote a tumblr about it, he used them because NM prisons were so fucked that feds had taken over.
magoslich
Yaaaa the prisons he used in place of them were just as bad if not worse.
storebrandproductmascot
So instead of reforming them, he went with a system that gives corporations a profit motive to encourage more crime?
Iamthemonkeymansowhatevercats
Also, it was a stop gap for the problems the prisoners faced. As I understand it, New Mexico is now back to publicly owned prisons.
Iamthemonkeymansowhatevercats
Probably improved their lives over the way it was before. Johnson is huge into putting fewer nonviolent criminals in jail and prisonerrights
storebrandproductmascot
Well, making it profitable to lock them up, not rehabilitate them, & cut every corner for more profit sure is a funny way of showing it.
Iamthemonkeymansowhatevercats
Dude, government was so bad it was the best option. Yes, private prisons are a bad idea but it was better than the abuse that was happening.
Cheomesh
Meanwhile, I don't think non-violent offenders should be in can unless they're like habitually stealing things.
Cheomesh
HOWEVER, I also think public beatings for things like theft should be in use, and I approve of the Death Penalty SO...I'm pretty primitive.
NeoHelios
I wonder if private prison system would actually work as long as prisoners could actually choose where they want to go. Nothing unreasonabl
NeoHelios
Just like once every 3-5 years, choose to move if you are being abused. This would create competition between prisons, and improve treatment
NeoHelios
Prisoners are still seperated from population. They just get moved around more, and prisons who treat them poorly get bad reputation.
NeoHelios
Leading to fewer inmates, leading to lower financing.
rcopeland87
As a military member, Jill stein is not my choice. I'm going with the Johnson
25kDow
Also a military member- Johnson recently had an interview where he stated he would significantly cut mil funding. Liked him til I heard that
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TopherTots
Heard the muse drop at the end of your post. Random +1
Iamthemonkeymansowhatevercats
Wut?
calldrdaley
Do you not realize how much we spend on the military? That money isn't going to military wages or benefits.
rcopeland87
Ugh. Damnit
imgur1stTheory
Most military spending is pork barrel so that Congress can pay back rich friends. Could be cut in half and give soldiers a raise too.
CPatricoo
Like what they said in CNN tonight, Johnson supports the Pentagon's own recommendations to cut bases that are kept open for political reason
itsabouttogetspicy
We don't need to spend as much as we do on the military. In fact, that's the biggest reason have much debt and as a citizen, I'd really 1
itsabouttogetspicy
like to get OUT of the recession and stop our country getting into stupid messes with other countries. Military is not necessary; we 2
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make it necessary when we create global problems, and then the citizens are expected/duped into paying for it. 3
Slashenaar
isidewith.com is pretty fantastic for this
gerbabbel
As a European: who the hell is Gary Johnson or Jill Stein?
crueldark
doesnt matter they have no chance lol
ShitSteve0Says
People who are not going to be POTUS
BuickRiviera
Johnson seems very safe and nonthreatening like Jeremy Corbyn on the outside but a Margaret Thatcher on steroids lies beneath.
terrorista31
Weird candidates, Gary is very far right on economics and Jill its more "progressive" that Clinton but with some obscure opinions
vanbarbee
Exactly (although Johnson was a Republican Governor, and his VP was also a Republican Governor).
SinceTheAccident
and ran as a Republican in the last race.
SinceTheAccident
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Johnson_presidential_campaign,_2012 come on, he was in the republican debates in 2012, how am I the 1/2
SinceTheAccident
only one who remembers this? 2/2 fin
MundaneFinality
Third-party candidates in a strongly two-party system.
PhailRaptor
You can drop that "as a European"... most Americans have no idea either.
YourMomJokes
Been balls deep in your mom and still know who they are.
ResistanceIsFutile
THIS SO MUCH I honestly didn't, and due to this post this Jill gal probably has mine and my hubby's vote now.
TheGoodStuffx100
If you're a Bernie fan, you've heard of Jill, that's for sure
CPatricoo
12% poll today, bitch! #FeelTheJohnson
diab64
I've been hearing more and more about Johnson but never heard of Jill Stein.
emileld
You don't want to hesr about her.
Cheomesh
Libertarians are louder than Greens, I think.
MindlessChaos
In a nutshell: Nobody you need to worry about...
gbombuh
As an American: the two party system sucks and is the reason you haven't heard of these third party candidates
theChesCat
Same in France (although we are moving toward a 3 party system, left, right, far-right).
twistedviking
If you use a first-past-the-post system, it'll be two parties forever. Which parties may change, but always only two.
thisisjustmethisisme
They may be dangerous. If the votes against trump are splittet between 3 candidates, trump may win......
Cheomesh
You would think Johnson would be more liable to split the Trump vote than the Clinton vote.
snet328
They are poor-choice third party candidates that people support out of sheer emotional contempt.
pasturama
vnqx
isidewith.com - You can see who you match up with for the US election, or change country in top right
DrAMcC
Welp, ive said time and again i dont trust anything hilary clinton says, but on raw policy i side 92% with her.
Novantico
And to supplement this, politicalcompass.org shows you where you place on a four way grid that's not US centric, as it should be (1/2)
Novantico
And you'll see that Hillary, Obama, Trump, and all the candidates outside the likes of Bernie Sanders, Jill Stein....are dif lvls of conserv
Ruoska
Interesting site, not from US but am just interested in the shitfight you have over there :) Unexpected result on quiz though :(
Anonsy
They have different quizzes for a few different countries, at least.
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ChewSoap
People who I guarantee will not be the next president of the united states
thetrueexcitementofalargesquirrelpredictingtheweather
Johnson is the former Governor of New Mexico and the Libertarian candidate, Stein is a former physician and the Green party candidate.
zhukoz
In other words, candidates in name only lol
gilgamesh85
Do they actually appear on the form or booth as options on voting day?
Csel
It's difficult for outsider parties to gain momentum to contend with the two main parties.
Csel
parties that get 5% of popular vote get financial compensation, and 15% they get reserved place in future debates.
JohnCalvinCoolidgeJr
the debates are run by the GOP and Democratic parties so it makes sense they keep out the competition
Saturrrn
They usually do... They never get any media exposure
Csel
parties have to get signatures for petitions in each state before certain dates to be eligible to appear on the election ballots.
isthatawolf
yes, alongside many others, and a blank line you can put down whoever you want on
EsperanzaGaia
Vermin Supreme 2016
MaybeOneDayIWillFinallyGrowAPenis
Amen. A pony for all.
spankatorium
Wait, you have a blank line in US votes where you can write down any name? If enough people write down Harrison Ford then...?
isthatawolf
yup. if enough people put down Harrsion Ford, he'd could in theory be president.
ThatOneGalFromThatOnePlaceThatYouTotallyKnow
Johnson definitely will, Stein depends on your state. She will not be on the ballot in all 50 states.
ZenaXina
Well then how can you try to even win? Like, if not even everyone can vote for you....?
misharozlove
Keep trying every election cycle to spread awareness and slowly grow your base. Bernie helped grow a lot of awareness with this cycle.
rolin
She can be written in on any ballot, she just wont be a prelisted choice.
Parrotheadpirate
The only candidates that support the "liberty" in Life, Liberty and the support of happiness.
TZO2k15
Candidates that our toxic and idiotic media impulsively ignores and downplays...
RupeALoop
Two very smart individuals, who are the first legitimate '3rd party' candidates since Ross Perot.
pgdave
In what way are they "legitimate"? They have no chance of reaching 270 electoral votes.
RupeALoop
Johnson will break the % threshold for the national televised debates (~10%) Jill stein could even reach that as well. They could even (1/2)
RupeALoop
cause a plurality winner within the "Two Party" system. Which would give them more than just a legitimate title. Let's check with the (2/3)
RupeALoop
closer to election date. Maybe in October?? See where everything stands then, before poo pooing the whole idea of a 3rd party candidate.
Morrigi
The Libertarian and Green Party candidates, respectively. Johnson has crazy economic ideas and Stein is also a loony.
awholelotofnothin
People that others might vote for, but if they do, they'll guarantee Trump's win, because they'll split the vote of logical, moderate peeps.
Cheomesh
I'd have figured Trump's votes would get fettered to Johnson.
awholelotofnothin
No, Johnson's anti-wall, not racist, and wants to legalize pot. He's zany in other ways, but not enough for the Trumpsters to split.
ImGettingMines
I don't like trump but I won't for Hilary either she is too shady and i really feel link her and trump are working together.
ImGettingMines
Like* damn phone
PuppiesoverKittensAnyday
Well if that's how you feel it must be true.
TherealSlimGinger
Don't worry about it, neither are getting elected.
sourpatchkiller78
In all honesty I'm not sure how I feel now that it seems that Trump may have some stances. The epa position is particularly concerning.
iguessidontknowhowtospellimaganative
Well the EPA is a sack of shit that wanted to ban black cars so...
JasonD
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_12013592
MidiArbite
I seem to remember him saying he wanted it replaced with three smaller agencies, but that may have been a mistake.
Morrigi
Yeah, that's the official GOP stance - abolish and replace it with something else, although the "something else" is unclear.
MidiArbite
Presumably something that doesn't have so much pseudolegislative power on top of enforcement.
Morrigi
Probably. Not a bad idea.
MidiArbite
Three different agencies could mean they're splitting on lines of interpretation, like a miniaturized version of the three branches.
MidiArbite
The problem with the EPA is that they(and others)'ve started absorbing legislative and judicial functions and generally eroding seperation
MindlessChaos
EPA definitely has abused power, there needs to be protections in place, but you are correct.
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Studoku
As another Brit, perhaps we should refrain from giving advice on how to vote, given our recent record.
MindlessChaos
I think you have fallen too hard for the emotional arguments. Re-evaluate the situation.
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MindlessChaos
Well than why are you thinking he fucks up the entire world? If you look into it, he is actually quite open-minded when it comes to (1/2)
MindlessChaos
adapting and learning. the governing bit wouldn't fuck everything. His issue is controlling his mouth and he BS's a lot.
whohasseenthewind
Right? Not 'believing in climate change' is maddening, it's like not believing in gravity. Then millions of us suffer from his ignorance.
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BareBoneBear
"Other people aren't doing the right thing. Why should we?" Great leadership there /s
ImHereToTellYouThatsWrong
*billions
Cheomesh
Let's work on fixing that
MindlessChaos
Climate change is not an issue. Man-made or cyclical global warming is the issue.
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MindlessChaos
Yah, just saying the first way is too simplistic though. Also, the understanding of the situation is not holistic enough imho.
JohnCalvinCoolidgeJr
Evolution is fact, natural selection is a theory. Gravity is fact, anthropogenic climate change is a theory. Theories can be wrong.
ImAShittyTransAm
Y'know, apart from where there's overwhelming evidence that it is happening, and it's better to play it safe and take less risks.
restless0
You have misunderstood scientific theory. A theory in science is completely different to the everyday usage of the word.
JohnCalvinCoolidgeJr
No where did I imply that they are hypothesis. But they are still theory. natural selection is a theory that explains evolution very well
JohnCalvinCoolidgeJr
But even though it can explain it very well, there are competing theories that are also relevant, eg, sexual selection
restless0
Sexual and natural selection are both theories but they are not competing, both have an effect. They coexist.
restless0
Sexual and natural selection don't disprove each other. They coexist as theories together.
JohnCalvinCoolidgeJr
No I haven't, but go ahead, explain.
Koga73
It is impossible to prove that global warming is man made and not a natural cycle.
thesixthcourier
Should we also return to leaded gasoline? It's equally impossible to prove those levels aren't naturally occurring.
WhereCanYouSeeLions
You mean aside from the fact that the temperature hasn't raised this quickly since the dinosaurs were wiped out?
Ihazcheeseburger
A change of a degree in a geological blink of an eye is suspect evidence at best. Temperatures were likely fairly volatile at that scale.
Ihazcheeseburger
Not to mention measurements of the lower troposphere as opposed to land monitors (subject to error) show far less increase.
Counterfit
Aside from the carbon isotopes being different? Or that we know past CO2 levels from ice cores and can measure increases over time?
Ihazcheeseburger
1) The idea that humans are increasing CO2 level at least at some level is far less disputed. The idea that this translates into
Ihazcheeseburger
2) runaway global warming with runaway postive feedbacks like water vapor resulting in catastrophic effects is very disputable.
deathknight
I don't know anyone who doesn't believe in "climate change". The climate is always changing. Always has, always will.
deathknight
What I, and many others, don't believe in is "CAGW" (catastrophic anthropogenic global warming). There is zero evidence to support it.
Ihazcheeseburger
There is evidence but it is suspect at best. The negative consequences of our overreaction poses a far more likely threat.
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deathknight
There is zero real world evidence that carbon dioxide (CO2) has any real or statistically significant effect on climate or temperature.
ThousandEyesCEO
So, Johnson is an Anti-vacc and doesn't support minimum wage? The hell are people saying he's a viable contender for?
Cheomesh
White Suburbanites who want to pull up ladders.
ARandomHelljumper
People like to think of him as better than the others just by virtue of being a third party. His policies are pretty shit when you look.
PeacefulKancer
Depends on YOUR vision/goals for the country. His vision most closely matches mine.
Iamthemonkeymansowhatevercats
Dear God. He's for leaving min wage to the states. Not outlawing it. $10hr is ok for say, here in Utah, you'd die on that in San Fran.
Cheomesh
This is my main holdup with a federal 15.COL is *super* localized.Hell, 15/hr wouldn't do me too great in LP City, MD, and it's no SF!
Iamthemonkeymansowhatevercats
It also creates a barrier for entry level workers because they have to be skilled enough to justify $15/hr. Most move up anyways.
Xdeddc
Individual states can already raise it it further up from the federal government's minimum standard. They just dont want to.
consentpinky
He just has a "government shouldn't control" attitude. Not that he doesn't vaccinate his own kids. Same with minimum wage. If the (1/2)
consentpinky
Company isn't paying you much don't work for them. They will still have to have competitive wages in order to keep employees.
rainevasquez
This form of capitalism has long been acknowledged to be completely hypothetical. It is the same problem with medical: u have no leverage. 1
rainevasquez
You have to take any work that feeds you And the insurance companies or hospitals have full control over what is charged, as u cannot refuse