I mean i know this is a fictional group, and the implication is homosexuality, but generally war bands in ancient times tended to do a lot of uhh.. ravaging of the conquered populace. Yeah I’m fun at parties.
The entire crew was stuck on Circe's island with her "maidens" for a year, and then Odysseus lived for seven years as Calypso's sex slave... so... he did NOT go 20 years without heterosexual sex, it is CANONICAL, right there in the fuckin Odyssey, that he got laid repeatedly during the voyage home.
In some supposedly academic paper I vaguely remember reference to such a group in that time period deciding to do a little raiding for new woman or other sex slaves as the ones they had on board were "worn out".
Viking merchants raided small villages along their trade routes to pick up fresh merchandise in form of slaves, and raped men and women alike to break their spirit before selling them. They were then sold in Constantinople and other large cities. One of many reasons why I object to the modern glorification of this culture. Same with the Romans, the feudal Japanese etc. For some reason, we always pick out the most bestial, violent and warlike historical cultures to admire. Instead of peaceful,...
trade-based ancient societies like, say, the Caral-Supe civilization of Peru. No defensive walls, no weapons of war. Just advanced agriculture and architecture and far-reaching trade routes. Knotted strings for record keeping instead of written language. Quite fascinating really. But they were brown-skinned and didn't rape and pillage and enslave people across an entire continent to build an empire, so there are no Hollywood movies and TV dramas about them.
We admire warrior cultures to the point where we overlook the atrocities perpetrated by warrior cultures, because people largely think weapons & armor are cool, and combat is considered to be fun & engaging. If we didn't like these things, then nobody would watch action movies, or play video games centered around combat, because these things are fun when we know that nobody's actually getting hurt. But I agree that we should put effort into venerating peaceful cultures, pursuits, & practices.
yeah but slavery is still slavery and true, some might have been treated right, but even them were a subclass of humans. women were also second class. they almost lived all their life in the agora or some place reserved for women...
As someone who's been on extended tours where choices are limited, "tour goggles" become a thing. People that you wouldn't look twice at in your normal day-to-day start to look appealing given a long enough time without something else.
I read "Hitch 22" Christopher Hitchens' memoirs. Seems like it's a pretty normal thing at British all boys schools. I imagine it's not just British. But yeah, it seems like lots of people's sexuality is more fluid when put into situations that are less normal when it comes to different genders not being available for a while. That's not to say everyone is like that. Just more than you might think.
If my goalposts move any further they start closing in on eachother again.. Not a single inclination to ‘go for it’ with anyone though. Don’t need or want that hassle.
He lived with Calypso for seven years I think. So I assume they had sex. Odysseus was gone for twenty years. I assume he had sex with the war captives as well as during the pillaging of Ismarus. He stays with Circe for a year. So plenty of opportunities to have sex
People do have differing levels of sex drive. Some people would be going completely nuts, others wouldn't care. Most people are somewhere in between, like in all things. But people need to stop generalizing their own sex drive level and assuming everyone else shares that same level, it's a real problem.
This. I have colleagues that are on about it daily, whereas I couldn’t care less. Sexdrive is very personal to everyone. Pointless to hang a label of manliness or whatever on it.
Correct. It's personal and wildly variable and all are valid. Unfortunately people at all points on the spectrum tend to assume their personal drive level is the "normal" and everyone else is a freak. You've got closeted asexuals who'll shame anyone who ever gets horny (Especially if they're religious, got that intersection is a nightmare), and you've got hypersexual folks that will deride those who aren't interested as pansies or whatever. It's super frustrating. Religion compounds the problem.
Manosphere propaganda/posturing. The trick is: No matter what, always imply that every else has less sex than you in order to make yourself look more manly. No amount is ever enough. "You only get 1 chick a day/week/year? If I ever went that dry I would throw away my man card."
What? I've gone 15 years without sex. Pretty sure 5 more isn't going to kill me. As far as I am aware, and currently being living proof of; sex is not a biological necessity for a man to exist. Men do not "need" sex.
Now, whether or not I am alive, is another question entirely.
As long as you're emptying yourself out periodically, it doesn't matter what the receptacle is. But for prostate health you should be doing that regularly iirc.
Hate to bring the bad news but at exactly 20 years 4 months 19 days 22 hours 6 mins and 47 seconds if u do not have sex your internal organs invert in a slow painful way and your flesh begins to peel off. All of this is a terrible experience. Ive witnessed it first hand as an ER nurse, and there is no stopping, or slowing the process. Coincidently you also have aversion to most other things that would kill you like poison, bullets, electricity etc. And pain killers are of no use
Same here. Little shorter maybe. Din’t miss, actively do not want it even nowadays anymore. It’s messy, it’s tiring, it involves someone else which… I like being me and doing things my way when I want. I’m perfectly happy this way. I can appreciate the look of a gorgeous woman but that’s it. Appreciation. Life’s better this way, for me anyway.
...though perhaps no GOOD reason. The other physiological needs are all individual requirements, with sex being the only species-level one. It's simply not a need for the individual, which makes its inclusion nonsensical.
But then, it's not as though the Hierarchy, or Maslow himself, has ever enjoyed universal scientific acceptance. Far from it.
I did eight before my current long term relationship. It wasn't conscious, I was just kinda done with my hook up and casual dating phase, willing to forgo until the right person. I don't regret it and fully believe if I hadn't met her, I'd still be on that track.
'Omg, I've been without sex for six months, I'm crawling up the walls!'
Me (and plenty others) in 20+ year non-sex, unbothered, moisturized, happy, in my lane, 'Huh?'
Ok, I'm blessed. I have people like my father, near 80, prostate problems so can't even get it up, and still woman crazy and chasing and flirting. That seems all *exhausting*.
i think in this case its more that greek/romans were historically known to do/be cool about having gay sex. dont get me wrong plenty of middle school energy still. but this time its time its historically accurate middle school energy
Can confirm, had this happen to my uncle. Right as the clock rolled over onto his 20th year....boom. like a hand grenade made of meat. I still have the nightmares.
Can attest that this ain't true, 29 years and pp still very much not exploded. If you are speaking from experience we might need to conduct a study on the timed exploison of pp, becaues in nature these things are rarely set on fixed scedules, so there might be some variabillity.
WillWasThere
Beezebubbles
They just had orgies.
TheFastpaws
Contrary to popular belief you don't need sex to live. Nor do you need it to be happy.
darthinebriated
Need it to be happy? No. Does it help? Yes.
TheFastpaws
Personally it was nothing but a determinate to my life. So no, it doesn't help everyone.
Kairuf
Also “we landed on an island where the women were pretty and the men were weak…”
The Odyssey does not have modern morals in many ways.
cousteau
Paradise city?
EarthDragon2189
Take me down to the paradise city where the men are weak and the girls are pretty
MCNewYorkLives
Oh won't you please take us home!
Apowerfulhorse
I mean i know this is a fictional group, and the implication is homosexuality, but generally war bands in ancient times tended to do a lot of uhh.. ravaging of the conquered populace. Yeah I’m fun at parties.
ExistentialDreadlocks
Also they were fighting for their lives the entire time. I'm sure they had other things on their mind than where to put their dicks.
MrFancyPanzer
You guys are having sex?
ThisIsTheShortestUsernameICouldFind
Boy are they
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Ardback
Sex ? What's that?
mondeca
I need to know where you're putting the emphasis in that question
OneOfTheEnemiesWithin
What is this “sex” thing that you speak of?
sirbartonslady
The entire crew was stuck on Circe's island with her "maidens" for a year, and then Odysseus lived for seven years as Calypso's sex slave... so... he did NOT go 20 years without heterosexual sex, it is CANONICAL, right there in the fuckin Odyssey, that he got laid repeatedly during the voyage home.
OptimisticMisanthrope
What kind of sex were they having?
GoCorral
In the myth? Raping Trojan women they'd enslaved.
arikelrecords2000
5454377
In some supposedly academic paper I vaguely remember reference to such a group in that time period deciding to do a little raiding for new woman or other sex slaves as the ones they had on board were "worn out".
FiftyShadesOfTiramisu
Viking merchants raided small villages along their trade routes to pick up fresh merchandise in form of slaves, and raped men and women alike to break their spirit before selling them. They were then sold in Constantinople and other large cities. One of many reasons why I object to the modern glorification of this culture. Same with the Romans, the feudal Japanese etc. For some reason, we always pick out the most bestial, violent and warlike historical cultures to admire. Instead of peaceful,...
FiftyShadesOfTiramisu
trade-based ancient societies like, say, the Caral-Supe civilization of Peru. No defensive walls, no weapons of war. Just advanced agriculture and architecture and far-reaching trade routes. Knotted strings for record keeping instead of written language. Quite fascinating really. But they were brown-skinned and didn't rape and pillage and enslave people across an entire continent to build an empire, so there are no Hollywood movies and TV dramas about them.
Lun4ticH1gh
We admire warrior cultures to the point where we overlook the atrocities perpetrated by warrior cultures, because people largely think weapons & armor are cool, and combat is considered to be fun & engaging. If we didn't like these things, then nobody would watch action movies, or play video games centered around combat, because these things are fun when we know that nobody's actually getting hurt. But I agree that we should put effort into venerating peaceful cultures, pursuits, & practices.
Chaapai
I think women and seamen don't mix!
-Waylon Smithers (they don't have a gif)
cousteau
Found one.
Chaapai
That's it! Love it
EMHPicardo
FirstInLastOut
Hahaha this is the best usage!
BesticlesTesticles
In the book, Odysseus has sex with Hecuba, Circe, and Calypso. All of them are women, and he actually gets Circe pregnant.
Stop queer-ing characters who are not canonically queer. It’s desperate.
EMHPicardo
Good point. In my defense, I did remember Odysseus and Calypso, I posted the meme thinking about his crew.
Willowofwisp
Also also, bisexual people exist too.
Willowofwisp
I mean he had 600 men with him, I'm sure one of them was gay. Not to mention it was ancient Greece, who are kind of known for that sort of thing.
TheRealSauceBoss
Wait until they find out about the Spartans
EveryCyclopsHasAUnibrow
“Why does your ass smell like olive oil?”
-Penelope to Odysseus upon his return
dtallen243
They're greek mythological figures
SarcasticComment
And so so many of those did the nasty
Wormunit
Also pretty sure it explicitly calls out in the OG Homer who was sailing with who
PinkyTheUnicorn2
And even those mythological figures had gay relationships, see: Achilles and Patroclus.
TORQD
Title of their sex tape
LordSintax79
Didn't need the words "mythological" and "figures" in that one.
NinjaCongo
Also, sailors.
PatrickDenStore
Also, Greek.
SalmonTheWise
No wonder it took them 20 years to get home.
OffTheGrid99
They’re just normal men.
JustSomePersonThere
We’re just innocent men!
mikeatike
Hotsauceman
Isn’t that the title of a bad dragon toy?
SuperIncoherentRantingMan
Don't give them any ideas. I'm not sure I want to see what horrors they could create from mythical Greek creatures.
dtallen243
If not it should be
NotAPervert
They need to make the Trojan horse, real missed opportunity
NotAPervert
Forgot to add, they DID make the sandworm
MagicBeets
The ol slick leg
EverNotRelevant
Just a quick reminder that ancient civilizations did not share our views on sex, sexuality, and gender, and had very different thoughts about them.
my1rstlaptopwas34inchscreenup
they also had slaves
EverNotRelevant
True, although it took a different form than the chattel slavery the US is more recently familiar with.
my1rstlaptopwas34inchscreenup
yeah but slavery is still slavery and true, some might have been treated right, but even them were a subclass of humans. women were also second class. they almost lived all their life in the agora or some place reserved for women...
TheGoudaKaramazov
Point too relevant for that username!!
wobblecopterrrr
Emberskyes
My dood needs to read The Odyssey, Odysseus did not have an issued with getting busy.
Hotsauceman
Oh I know. That fucker be fucking!
scrumbles666
No, Odysseus' men never made it back.
HonestCommentFarmer
Oh, they were banging in every port they went to. Men, women, fellow shipmates. Especially when they were all turned into pigs.
WoodORama
Txernobog
Oddyseus had sex with Circe and Calypso (for seven years).
majortool
I've got sperm so backed up it's going to come out like a wax dart. -Bill Hicks
Che07
Can't wait to see the Grok-version of the "realistic" Odyssey the Spacekaren is promoting.
BeerFueledAdventurer
I don't understand the "I'll have sex with people I'm not attracted to just so I have sex" people, but I don't judge them.
MechKelly
Who said they weren't attracted?
Indigon
As someone who's been on extended tours where choices are limited, "tour goggles" become a thing. People that you wouldn't look twice at in your normal day-to-day start to look appealing given a long enough time without something else.
Hotsauceman
I was in college and desperate.
probablywontbearoundlong
I read "Hitch 22" Christopher Hitchens' memoirs. Seems like it's a pretty normal thing at British all boys schools. I imagine it's not just British. But yeah, it seems like lots of people's sexuality is more fluid when put into situations that are less normal when it comes to different genders not being available for a while. That's not to say everyone is like that. Just more than you might think.
amoth
It's moving goalposts, but in a funny way. The longer you go without sex, the further the posts move apart
ToenailClippingsJar
If my goalposts move any further they start closing in on eachother again..
Not a single inclination to ‘go for it’ with anyone though. Don’t need or want that hassle.
KiwiGameDev
Damn I ain’t got much longer for the goalposts to move, they still mighty close
Otomasoteraph
They were young, they were strong, testosteroney all along. What can possibly go wrong?
my1rstlaptopwas34inchscreenup
nothing. they decided to have some booty time amongst friends. also bunch of things went wrong bit the sexy times werent
tirpider
I mean, there are worse things that can happen at sea.
cousteau
Involving seamen, or in general?
tirpider
esparadrapo
At least you don't have to worry a lot about landmines.
spinbutton3
He lived with Calypso for seven years I think. So I assume they had sex. Odysseus was gone for twenty years. I assume he had sex with the war captives as well as during the pillaging of Ismarus. He stays with Circe for a year. So plenty of opportunities to have sex
EnergyFiend
Odyssyus had a whole bunch of kids with Circe, and depending on the version a couple with Calypso as well.
kadaeux
They're greeks, why do you keep bringing women into it? ;)
3Davideo
How narrow is this person's imagination that they think going without for so long is impossible? It's not like we explode or anything.
FetteredJuvenescence
People do have differing levels of sex drive. Some people would be going completely nuts, others wouldn't care. Most people are somewhere in between, like in all things. But people need to stop generalizing their own sex drive level and assuming everyone else shares that same level, it's a real problem.
ToenailClippingsJar
This. I have colleagues that are on about it daily, whereas I couldn’t care less. Sexdrive is very personal to everyone. Pointless to hang a label of manliness or whatever on it.
FetteredJuvenescence
Correct. It's personal and wildly variable and all are valid. Unfortunately people at all points on the spectrum tend to assume their personal drive level is the "normal" and everyone else is a freak. You've got closeted asexuals who'll shame anyone who ever gets horny (Especially if they're religious, got that intersection is a nightmare), and you've got hypersexual folks that will deride those who aren't interested as pansies or whatever. It's super frustrating. Religion compounds the problem.
OnlyWantToSayOneThing
Manosphere propaganda/posturing. The trick is: No matter what, always imply that every else has less sex than you in order to make yourself look more manly. No amount is ever enough. "You only get 1 chick a day/week/year? If I ever went that dry I would throw away my man card."
Goldmarble
What? I've gone 15 years without sex. Pretty sure 5 more isn't going to kill me.
As far as I am aware, and currently being living proof of; sex is not a biological necessity for a man to exist. Men do not "need" sex.
Now, whether or not I am alive, is another question entirely.
ThinkThisOut
I get nauseous around the end of day 2 and headaches around day 4…. I haven’t gone 5 but I assume eventually that stops and things stabilize
Feralkyn
As long as you're emptying yourself out periodically, it doesn't matter what the receptacle is. But for prostate health you should be doing that regularly iirc.
philmoregraves
Hate to bring the bad news but at exactly 20 years 4 months 19 days 22 hours 6 mins and 47 seconds if u do not have sex your internal organs invert in a slow painful way and your flesh begins to peel off. All of this is a terrible experience. Ive witnessed it first hand as an ER nurse, and there is no stopping, or slowing the process. Coincidently you also have aversion to most other things that would kill you like poison, bullets, electricity etc. And pain killers are of no use
ToenailClippingsJar
Same here. Little shorter maybe. Din’t miss, actively do not want it even nowadays anymore. It’s messy, it’s tiring, it involves someone else which… I like being me and doing things my way when I want. I’m perfectly happy this way. I can appreciate the look of a gorgeous woman but that’s it. Appreciation. Life’s better this way, for me anyway.
SarcasticComment
Just ask your bros to give your a minute while you spank it over the boat railing
EMHPicardo
BesticlesTesticles
There a reason it’s on the first row of Mazlow’s Hierarchy of Needs
Korrd
...though perhaps no GOOD reason. The other physiological needs are all individual requirements, with sex being the only species-level one. It's simply not a need for the individual, which makes its inclusion nonsensical.
But then, it's not as though the Hierarchy, or Maslow himself, has ever enjoyed universal scientific acceptance. Far from it.
Ozimbah
I did eight before my current long term relationship. It wasn't conscious, I was just kinda done with my hook up and casual dating phase, willing to forgo until the right person. I don't regret it and fully believe if I hadn't met her, I'd still be on that track.
azazyel
Yeah, been awhile for me also and honestly not sure if I even miss it. Not sure if it's psychological or physical and whether or not I care
tinydog
Meh.
jridley
After a few years I get to where I am pretty much indifferent. Or maybe it's age catching up with me.
CedricDur
'Omg, I've been without sex for six months, I'm crawling up the walls!'
Me (and plenty others) in 20+ year non-sex, unbothered, moisturized, happy, in my lane, 'Huh?'
Ok, I'm blessed. I have people like my father, near 80, prostate problems so can't even get it up, and still woman crazy and chasing and flirting. That seems all *exhausting*.
ExistentialDreadlocks
Imgurians are worse than middle schoolers. "Don't have a girlfriend? You're gay."
NickRivieraMD
IS that a middle schooler thing? Thought it was just my dad.
CaldariBob
Lun4ticH1gh
Fuckin' YOINK.
LumpPump
i think in this case its more that greek/romans were historically known to do/be cool about having gay sex. dont get me wrong plenty of middle school energy still. but this time its time its historically accurate middle school energy
ExistentialDreadlocks
I want to tell you something, but please sit down first.
BenYourFriend
Is it okay if I lean the seat really far back and use the legrest and maybe fall asleep in a recliner
tzahtman
If masturbation is included in sexual activity how long has it been?
OneOfTheEnemiesWithin
‘bout twenty minutes LoL
TheArrestingAbhorrentArrantAbominableAlliterator
Seriously, since Imgur went back to horny version, that's the outlier.
RedPipe
LOL
doesTheUNmatter
Nope, 20 years is the max, otherwise your pp explodes. Better start looking.
Silent1fd
Im at 35
LiterallyAWizard
Can confirm, had this happen to my uncle. Right as the clock rolled over onto his 20th year....boom. like a hand grenade made of meat. I still have the nightmares.
darthinebriated
At grandmas birthday party no less. Poor lady couldn't blow on a noisemaker after that without having a panic attack.
BartanicGarden
Can attest that this ain't true, 29 years and pp still very much not exploded. If you are speaking from experience we might need to conduct a study on the timed exploison of pp, becaues in nature these things are rarely set on fixed scedules, so there might be some variabillity.
Thorketil
Exceptions prove the rule, as the saying goes.
hotaru251
lies.
i hear you become a wizard when you hit the 40 mark.
Colopty
Those are not mutually exclusive.