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mfrybeasley
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CouchCarrot
Women don't get hysterectomies as a form of birth control.
justherefortheconfession
The co-pay for my vasectomy was only $5. I pay more for a pint at my local pub.
justherefortheconfession
As I've mentioned previously, I had difficulty finding a doctor willing to do it because I was married and childless in my late 20s
HandoB4Javert
Where did they hide the time machine?
Preincarnated
The GOP never traveled back in time. They just stopped moving forward with it about 50 years ago.
AboutasSnappyasaZipper
Don’t forget to have your spouse spayed or neutered
BigSwede7403
Hysterectomy is a removal of a signifficant organ rather than "2 snips". Still overpriced IMO and the permission part is just assholery.
KingMCG
My wife’s hysterectomy was fully paid by insurance here in the US and required none of my input. Went great and she is quite happy.
ILikedTheirOldStuffBetter
We aren't religious but my wife works at a catholic hospital. It never occurred to me until she told me that they won't allow a patient to >
ILikedTheirOldStuffBetter
> get her tubes tied there, their pharmacy won't give out birth control. They'll do hysterectomies only in a health emergency situation.
DaveTheCatman
From my limited knowledge, aren't vasectomies a lot quicker too?
EaNasirIsABastard
Yep, about 20mins you can probably do a vasectomy in the time it takes to put a patient under.
browsererror
My insurance company loved the idea that I wouldn't have an expensive child.
Nognom
My vasectomy doctor made sure my wife was part of the conversation but I don’t think it was a rule.
AsparagusP
Guys who don’t want to settle down? Get the vas. Get the -tomy. Whatever you want to call it. So easy.
vintagebroad
little off subject but when I wanted an abortion AFTER it became legal I had to go to a psychiatrist to determine I was suicidal to get it
MaryFish
I had a tumor the size of a small fetus in my uterus and I hate kids but my doctor refused me one to "preserve my reproductive integrity".
Preincarnated
Then fire his ass and get another doctor.
MaryFish
This is 5 years past and no amount of pleading or bitching got me 1) another doctor or 2) any goddamn bodily autonomy. It is not that easy.
thetinyhousepanther
I paid $960 for my IUD, with insurance.
gschally
I needed my wife's permission for vasectomy. I think there is a lot of variation in how doctor's handle this.
BrightestNight
Same. For a guy I think it's mainly doctor's choice if the wife is even asked. Mine was.
Preincarnated
What the fuck 3rd world country are yall living in? Hell, I'm in Tejas and I thought it was bad here, but they didn't even ask if I had a_
Preincarnated
spouse when I got mine, much less that the spouse had to sign off on it. They just asked me if I was a sure I wanted it and not having kids.
WeareNegan
A hysterectomy and a tubal ligation are two different procedures, neither of which should you need permission for
seckzie
Because a hysterectomy is very much more complicated and involved procedure than a vasectomy. Why are people playing dumb to make points?
FloatingOnACloudOfTitties
It’s not “playing dumb” to realize that doctors asking permission from spouses for you to make choices about your body is asinine…
H0URGLA55
Ok...the price I understand, even if I don't like it. Permission however...wtf...just I can't even...opinion? Fine. Permission? Hell no.
unkiereamus
It's because docs get sued over this, often. It's still bullshit, but the problem isn't the healthcare system, it's the legal system.
SeanBeanJovi
It's only been legal for us to apply for our own loans/credit for 48 years. Why would they trust us with our own medical decisions? /s
CorvidPrime
Most places in my area won’t do a vasectomy without the wifes consent.
Preincarnated
I 100% do to believe you. I went to get one and they didn't even ask if I had a spouse, much less that they would have to consent. BS.
magicbryanconnolly
One can be carried out easily under local, one is a major op. That said, US "healthcare" is hilariously broken.
magicbryanconnolly
Plus not equivalent procedures. Get the point, but tubal would be better comparison.
coronakilla
Wait. What? Why would you need the permission?
JinxRocks
I will always be willing to pretend to be someone's husband to approve if they run into this shit.
FloatingOnACloudOfTitties
That’s awesome! Thanks for being a wonderful human! ?
Killerpixler
Canada here, vasectomy $100,tax deductible, one consultation. Getting your tubes tied, multiple meetings with various doctors, repeatedly..
Iwillalwaysdownvoteyourchildren
Canadian- I got a referral, met gyno and scheduled date, had surgery.
Killerpixler
It's really a shame. Let people do whatever they want to their own bodies
jesuisgur
Do you need your wife's permission for the vasectomy ?
Killerpixler
No of course not. And she doesn't need one from me if she wants her tubes tied...this isn't some backwards country like the US
ThreeCheeses
My vasectomy was free. Don't know where this 100 dollars comes from
GeneviveOrinse
It’s a much more invasive procedure. Not saying all the hoops are necessary but it would be negligent to skip all of them
rawniew
This is true and a vasectomy is reversibile quite easily. There totally different operations. But it's still should be the patients choice
whatsisname
"Quite easily" is not true.
Killerpixler
Exactly. It's the patient's choice... I've heard so many stories of doctors refusing because the woman isn't married or hasn't had any kids
Killerpixler
... Yet. Beyond pointing out the risks and irreversiblilty of it, they should not do that. A friend of mine told a doctor she never wants..
Killerpixler
Kids and the doctor refused the procedure, saying she'll change her mind in the future
Krebstar1
My wife had to approve me getting a vasectomy before the doctor would perform one.
RednapxpandeR
Some places you need wife’s permission for a vasectomy. Shits all f*cked up yo.
Preincarnated
What happens if you are gay married? Does the system implode?
mthrndr01
Yet garden shears are sold in so many places. Mind boggling
SeanBeanJovi
My s/o got one last year. He was never told he needed to get my permission. I never talked to his doctor. He could just do it, no problem.
SeanBeanJovi
That's in Maryland. I know everywhere is different.
FrederickHansArmstrong
Either that or you get to play 20 questions about if your spouse or future partners for it. Took a bit to find a doc needless to say.
trooperx
I had to get my Wife to sign an agreement that she recognized the procedure *may* render me sterile. LOL
allthenamesaregone
My wife had a hysterectomy via the public system. I had to pay NZ$7 for parking, per day! Such a ripoff. /s
gostoso666
Did her doctor need your permission to get it done?
allthenamesaregone
Nope. Though there was a consultation where she was asked if her family was complete (it very much is).
cheesypundit
That's what you get for living in a first world country, instead of a third world country wearing a first world costume.
howcanyourunwithanarrowinyourknee
crlhmltn
The dreaded public health care. When my wife had our second child, she spent five days in the hospital after giving birth, 1/
crlhmltn
I was there with her the whole time. I did cost me 20€ a day. Three meals a day. Free for my wife. Not me. Public healthcare, such a scam.2/
NewToTheEnterwbs
Pffft. Have you tried doing it the American way and just dying so you don't need medical assistance for anything?
drkepper
that's really good parking rates...I live in a midwest US city and would be shocked if you could find parking for under $20 for a day
Snotty128
I paid about nz$200 to get snipped. I didn’t pay for parking because my mother in law picked me up, with an ice pack. She’s a good chick
munkis
Yeah I did mine privately for nz$200 it's free at the hospital, but you might have to wait a couple of months *gasp*
BennyT1000
I too choose this guys mother in law to ice my balls.
idownvoteyouall
Ok you win today
servingmytimeinusersub
My vasectomy was 400 out of pocket. My wife's hysterectomy cost about 2k after insurance. She didn't need my permission
EGifWrecker
I'm sure she was talking about joint account premission to pay 20k.
amoeba15
Just had a hysterectomy 3 weeks ago. $3k, I'm unmarried, no hoops to jump through, insurance approved immediately
ABBOTTDOESNTCARE
What state?
servingmytimeinusersub
Florida for vasectomy. NY for hysterectomy
ABBOTTDOESNTCARE
I’ve seen vastly different experiences in Texas for women.
IShouldThinkOfSomethingCleverForThis
I needed my wife's permission to get my vasectomy. Also 600 dollars.
servingmytimeinusersub
The one I had seems to be drastically different from how most doctors do it. And I'm not sure why. No pain. No stitches. No ice.
PimpinKen
Hate to ask it, but are you white or black? Tweeter is black and we seem to have two systems in place....
servingmytimeinusersub
I'm white
PimpinKen
Socio‐economic could have been a major factor in the disparities. Im not saying it is the reason, but we can't deny or ignore that thy exist
Fatherdoodle
Yeah this is definitely differing insurances, doctors, health systems, etc. Hysterectomy is also a much more invasive surgery.
TheEmeraldProphylactic
Yeh why are people pretending that they’re equal. Like comparing nipple surgery to a mastectomy. (I think vas is easier than nipple surgery)
servingmytimeinusersub
Oh I'm not comparing. Just giving context from a couple who has experienced both.
TheEmeraldProphylactic
But needing your wife’s permission would be mentallll
olafthrig
I needed mine.
Fatherdoodle
Yeah the permission thing is nuts
Machinegunfart
A hysterectomy is NOT birth control. A vasectomy is an office procedure. Surgery is over priced but the 2 are not really comparable here.
FloatingOnACloudOfTitties
Tubal ligation is a form of sterilization…
Machinegunfart
Correct
quasarquasarquasar
At 27 I wanted to have my tubes tied after a scheduled C-section (kid#2). I was denied bc I "might change my mind one day"
mirrorada
Same, despite massive complications with my pregnancy & told another kid would probably kill me. Still refused to remove at C-section.
supermariocephalopod
Same — no kids, though. Took two more years and me bringing my husband in to get the dr to agree
ifyoutakemeseriouslythatsonyou
The need for her husband's permission freaks me out more than the price.
nekretaal0624
they had my wife sign papers agreeing she knew and had no issues when i got my vasectomy.
Ranb40
I was counseled by the military doctor, no permissions at all. This was 1990.
Jimmah1
Waaait...wtf? This is a thing?
ObliqueRay
...huh? I thought that was a joke. Is that a thing?
HovercraftFullofBees
It is in fact a thing.
CorydorasAfavorplease
I needed my husband's permission and to have had several kids and miscarriages as well as a "legitimate" medical concern before mine
oopski3
Also needed husbands permission for tubal ligation after ectopic pregnancy. In MASSACHUSETTS
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JesaraB
Yeah they talk about it not being Legqally required, but that doesn't stop doctors from refusing to do it without that, and they do. It is
JesaraB
Extremely common for them to refuse to sign off on the procedure, and they claim that it is 'for your benefit' that they refuse because of
JesaraB
the hypothetical what ifs, and oftentimes, especially in red states and rural area, there are no other options available that do not require
matthiasfactor
Oh silly me. Guess my girlfriend’s struggle for half a decade to get *just* a tubal ligation and not a full hysterectomy b/c of severe 1/2
matthiasfactor
Menstrual cramping and her doctor telling her she’s too young was all in her head.
SirSage
They said """"""""""mostly"""""""""". Not all. It's literally the 1st word in their comment
draek1
It's individual doctor discretion. Some require the same from men for vasectomies. There is a list of good ones on the childfree reddit
Awmph
me too. tho tbf the price freaks me out too. the permission thing is just even freakier.
navyjeff
This. I also hate that I have to go to my wife's health appointments just to make sure the doctors believe exactly what she is telling them.
stabthecrab
To be fair…about the price, a skilled doctor can do a vasectomy in 3 minutes, while the dude is awake. I know I guy that does them in the
stabthecrab
Third world, dudes line up and it’s snip snip clip clip next.
optimusgoose
Obviously I wouldn't be seeking my husband's "permission" but it is definitely a conversation we would have together
InfiniteNoodle
I've heard examples of guys needing written permission from their wife to get a vasectomy too. Like wtf. doctors need to mind their business
HeightEnvy
It is not legally required, but far too many doctors refuse to provide the surgery without spousal approval. It's fucked up.
Drix1942
Reads like the 19th century.
HighSorcerer
I have a friend who's been trying to get a hysterectomy since she was a legal adult and her doctors keep telling her she might want kids.
charlefine
Their skill, their choice.
HighSorcerer
She keeps telling them "Then I'll fucking adopt" but it's GA so she's not allowed to just do it because it's what she wants.
Semphir
I wonder if you need permission even if it's a life or death situation and not just for a quality of life situation? That would make it - >
Semphir
.. Even crazier than before.... And it's pretty batshit insane that someone else gets a say
Remishnok
Thats in part because we are used to ridiculous prices. But yeah, shouldnt need anybodies permission to mod ur bod.
guy23
When I was active duty to get a vasectomy among other requirements, the woman had to agree to her husband having one.
Mairoa
That's active duty though, and I'm assuming not single men. This is civilian women, often single, being held to active duty standards
guy23
I understand that. I'm starting that it is not uncommon to be a requirement, when I was asking about a vasectomy earlier this year the doc
guy23
Wanted to talk to my wife as well then, it's just that was the only thing. It was so we were both aware of risks and that while it can be
guy23
Reversed, but it is expensive and with a fairly good chance of not working.
philosoraptor1000
There is no legal requirement for spousal approval in anywhere in the US. Her doctor must've required it before he'd agree to the procedure
FakeFlagger
Might just have asked something like "And your husband thinks this is ok?". You never know.
jursamaj
No, we do know. Many doctors won't do it without husbands consent.
FakeFlagger
There is no law that says you need your husbands consent. I guess doctors can refuse to perform a procedure if they don't feel comforable-
FakeFlagger
doing it? Maybe?
imeanYUUUGE
It doesn’t matter that there is no law requiring it. Most Drs still won’t do it without a husband’s consent.
philosoraptor1000
"many" is a meaningless term. It's statistically an uncommon occurance for physicians to require it
Handyolo
No. Nonono. Both parts should be fucking terrifying to you. Nothing about the procedure actually costs this much.
Mistriever
I needed my wife's permission to get a vasectomy. It's bullshit both ways. But they do it because the couple is supposed to decide together.
mypainisyourgain
My wife didn’t mine for that. But I needed her signature for my vasectomy. So… this one doesn’t hold up at all for my personal experience
admeaz0123
I'm Canadian so forgive me please for not understanding. If an unmarried woman needs this surgery does she need her bfs permission? Can >
jursamaj
Most doctors simply won't do it for most women, unless they already have multiple kids. The "grounds" is that husband (real or [1/2]
jursamaj
hypothetical) might some day want kids. [2/2]
admeaz0123
Someone explain the grounds for this?
blarkk
The short answer is no. But many Dr.s will not perform hysterectomy or vasectomy on single people until they are older (30 is common).
blarkk
The reasoning is that a permanent decision about your future should a)Involve a spouse and b)Not be spur of the moment and regretted later.
Krossis
This ^ I can excuse the cost since it's an invasive surgery, but me and my spouse have no say in what the other does to their body
HasteTheFool
It's polite to mention it, but that's as for as it goes.
Vulkankaninchen
No this to much. I will have a much more complicated surgery for 33k and it includes two weeks of hospital.
neithermenoryou
The price is absolutely bonkers. Costs 1,900 USD in Europe if you don't have insurance, and that covers everything start to finish.
DarthVaderDidNothingWrong
I can't excuse either.
Krossis
From my understanding, it requires knocking the patient out and possibly a hospital stay. Granted that cost should be covered by the gov.
Krossis
Not the patient
DarthVaderDidNothingWrong
Exactly
JesaraB
It's not the anesthesia, it is that they will literally tell single women that they won't give a hysterectomy in case their future husband
JesaraB
wants to have children. Even if it is medically necessary, even if the issue makes them unable to carry a pregnancy, even if they are a
JanCicvarek
Discus it is must in marrige but last word should have owner of body not the other one. (M/F, dont care sex)
Krossis
100%
Youhavinagiraffe
Does that mean unmarried women can't get a hysterectomy at all. Or having a husband means you lose your right to decide on your own?
gamejeepboi
From experience: Yes. Partner was told that she may get married and that [I] may not want it done. To both come back later after we married.
gamejeepboi
Didn’t matter if I said it was OK either because, at the time we weren’t legally married – if we separated she “might marry someone else”.
Sloppydrunkcatlady
It's very difficult and some doctors will refuse if you're single, yes.
ZeroIsPlural
Hysterectomy is hard to get either way. It's invasive and fucks up your hormones. A tubal is less invasive, doesn't fuck with your 1/
ZeroIsPlural
hormones, and is VERY difficult to get if you are young/unmarried/childless/whatever other bullshit reason they give you.
ZeroIsPlural
Even over 30. I was almost 32 when I got mine and had to FIGHT becasue im unmarried and don't already have kids.
NoelleFrost
Yep. Doctors won't do it because "someday you might marry and want kids."
ABBOTTDOESNTCARE
Had a trans friend and he couldn’t even get one in case his “potential future husband” wanted to have kids.
ABBOTTDOESNTCARE
He had an easier time obtaining one after moving to another state for school.
Mairoa
Yeah my best bet is to let t turn it off for me. Second option is a friend with kids posing as my partner and step kids to check that box
JesaraB
Sadly oftentimes yes, women will be told that it won't be done in case their "Future Husband" wants to have children.
ewwnobodywaseventhinkingthat
Insert *why not both?*
chormin
My unmarried friend wanted one after a bout of ovarian cancer. Dr wouldnt do more than unilateral oophectomy in case future man wanted kids.
Mistriever
Normally they won't do them if they are under a certain age and don't have at least two children. Same for Vasectomies.
FurtiveGlancer
Unmarried can definitely get it done - however, if married, you are the PROPERTY of your husband and NEED his permission - Horrible!!
Totallyscrewedinaustin
Unmarried have a a hard time as well. Had a friend go to 3 different doctors before she could find one to do procedure!
ABBOTTDOESNTCARE
My sister my sister had a hard time getting her tubes tied after having a baby until she got married.
FurtiveGlancer
That's truly a WTF! Is this fuckin Saudi or Afghanistan?!
rbudrick
Unmarried women dont have sex and dont need uteruses anyway. -Old men
DatDarthCaedus
The first. Seen several women online mention that their doctors refused to do it because they were unmarried and a hypothetical future 1/
DatDarthCaedus
husband might want kids at some point. Also, here's a couple of articles with more information:
DatDarthCaedus
https://www.insider.com/a-woman-needed-husbands-consent-to-get-her-tubes-tied-2020-2
DatDarthCaedus
https://medium.com/fearless-she-wrote/is-spousal-consent-for-sterilization-still-a-thing-ca595f0704b7
NotSomoneElse68
It's pretty hard to get a hysterectomy under 30 - you know, "just in case you change your mind.". Doctors will still often tell you no ¹
rubydust
A lot of women sue. Even with the promise of “I don’t want kids. Everrrrrt”.
NotSomoneElse68
unless you're husband agrees.
Addmagnet
So, find someone to marry, get hysterectomy, get divorce!
Yummybubblez
Actually in a couple LGBT communities we go to the office as beards and say "we don't want kids". We don't have to say we're not together :)
ZebraCockSandwich
you don't get a hysterectomy just to not get pregnant, no doctor will just let you take out your entire uterus because you want to, its 1
Krossis
My friend had a hysterectomy, she has no hormonal issues, because it's the ovaries that produce the hormones not the uterus
ZebraCockSandwich
yeah sometimes they leave the ovaries when its ok to do so, depends on what kind you need and why.
ZebraCockSandwich
a very serious part of your overall health. you need hormone replacements for the rest of your life and it puts you at risk for serious 2/
ZebraCockSandwich
issues as you get older. you get your TUBES TIED to not get pregnant, you get a hysterectomy when you have a serious problem with your 3/
NotSomoneElse68
What I said stands for tubal ligation as well - I was just sticking with layman's terms.