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No really I actually do use Amiga OS on a daily basis.
I also use other operating systems, but I'm very Arch Linux about Amiga.
That said, I do not recommend it to anyone. I just use it and I'll talk about it.
AnOrdinaryWerewolf
As someone that uses a variety of operating systems on a regular basis, i can say with full confidence that they are all equally shit for different reasons. There isn't one that is better than the rest. But, most of them are quite good at a handful of tasks. So you just need to choose the right OS for the job.
martineb72
Amiga OS was great for the very limited amount of resources it needed. But it wasn't what you called robust and good. It truly depended on the hardware hacks that Amiga used.
RummageSaleBubbler
If you have a mac, you implicitly are recommending macOS. If you have a PC, your swearing implicitly is recommending Linux.
DdCno1
I've invented new expletives due to stupid Linux nonsense as well though. The grass is always greener on the other side.
Psionickitten
MCTMCT
Thank you Jesus for the red circles. I would've been very confused without them.
azazyel
I gave a program that my company uses a bad score and I was on a call with said company with some other people and they called me out on the score I gave them in front of everyone. Thank goodness my survival brain stopped me from going on a profanity laced rant about their stupid program. I just said I hate surveys.
DdCno1
Was it one of those "anonymous" internal surveys?
I got into some trouble once for informing people that surveys with a unique identifier in the URL for each user aren't actually anonymous. They were then desperately trying to get people to complete the survey for weeks, because word got around.
KAPTKipper
I use several OSes everyday, but I don't recommend any.
Kotarisu
thatguyonthebike
And the Lord did burn his CD, and he saw that it was bad. So he tried again this time with CDFS as his chosen file system and he saw that it was good.
theduckening
The most interesting thing about TempleOS is the story about the guy who made it. That's a season documentary by itself
Kotarisu
Fredrik Knudsen did an 85-minute Down the Rabbit Hole episode about it, was very fascinating: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCgoxQCf5Jg
derpman4k
They glow in the dark, but you can hit them with your car
nitelong
moocowincog
I bought a second hard drive for my computer to test out the waters with Linux. It overwrote the boot manager partition to my Windows for some reason. I was allllmost ready to abandon Windows until a particular Steam game my daughter plays wouldn't work. Spent the whole weekend rewriting the boot partition to get Windows back.
MysticHermitMax
Oh dear - Was it an older game?
Not even through wine?
moocowincog
It was Peak, which came out last year. After pouring through a ton of internet forums and such, and all the normal fixes (ie Proton) not working, I figured out that I would've had to fully uninstall and manually "revert" my nvidia drivers to older versions and avoid ever updating them back to the current drivers.
NullNameAvailable
I'm a big fan of Pop!_OS personally (though I'm considering trying out Bazzite for gaming)
ignotoCiResto
before you start the process to erase/resize your ssd, please be aware that bazzite is an "immutable" OS. While it's really hard to fuck it up, that's because to install new stuff that's not updates from the OS updater is kinda hard. From what I got it's three time harder than converting debian driver to arch driver.
Moreover since it come with a shitload of stuff preinstalled to mitigate the new stuff problem, well, it's still stuff on the memory load too.
That's why I gave it up even trying it
FisheswithDynamite
I have to use fucking Salesforce at my job. I get the same bullshit surveys from them, and it's like bro, the only time I ever mention Salesforce to my friends is when I'm bitching about it, 1 star.
inthepines
I'm running IRIX
YouEatYellowSnow
Is it too late to revert the world back to XP?
TheMoonBnuuy
Afraid so. XP is so insecure that if you put it on the internet without a firewall between you and the internet it's basically going to be hijacked by botnets within an hour.
You don't even have to do anything. Just have it online and sitting there. It's insane how insecure it is.
DdCno1
The fun thing is, this was the case when XP was new as well (pre-SP2). Saw it with my own eyes: New machine, fresh out of the box, connected directly to high-speed Internet and within less than a minute, it was infected. Luckily, I had read about this particular type of malware and was able to fix the issue with a few commands (very much to the surprise of my relative watching). I became the family computer guy that day.
3Davideo
Nobody ever recommends *the overwhelming market leader* to people. If there's an occasion to recommend an OS it's because they're needing or looking for an alternative to said market leader.
redditmcredditface
the only conversation I have about which OS I have is totally about which OS I dont use. You can guess which one that is.
DdCno1
Haiku?
Unfortunate500
Been using Nobara for a month and finding it delightful.
YippeeKayakOB
I tend to lie on marketing questionnaires. It is the best thing you can do if you want to fuck up their analyses. And I really want to fuck up their analyses.
mts81
I hate that this is a thing. I don't recommend random stuff, services or programs, etc to friends. Specially if it's something work related, that I did not even choose to use, or so. wtf, stop this shit.
OsIgnis
Debian, BTW, FTW.
freakdiablo
I get the feeling the next time I do an OS reinstall I'll likely go with Debian. Not a heavy linux user so I really don't have much preference, but I've got a couple RPis running Raspbian, both full GUI and headless, so I get the sense I'll pick it up quick.
SQKILL2
I use Zorin for gaming. Just to have an easy to setup linux OS for gaming then I'll try other linux OSes later to develop my experience in linux operating systems
Mack1986
Autistic people will be discluded from the study for skewing results (linux)
rmx256
I would still use Mac OS 9 if it had a functional web browser and could handle more ram. It had a top number in the _megabytes_ if I recall correctly.
Cataleast
"Bruh, you really need to get in on this Windows 10 shit. It fuckin' slaps, bro!" --No one ever
ArchmageMelek
I miss the good old days gaming and browsing the early Internet on my A1200... or was it the good old days where my back didn't hurt and I didn't have to pay taxes...? One of the two...
foxmichaels
OS/2 WARP!
Nuppiz
My dad had a boxed version of it on his shelf. I think it came as an alternative to Windows 3.1 with his very first Compaq PC around 1994-95. He never even opened it and ended up throwing it away (along with a lot of big boxes for games and software) after a few years when he needed room for other stuff. Unfortunately at the time I was still too young to save it as a curiosity.
Scahrossar
Its way past bedtime, grandpa! ;)
87cubed
Represent! HPFS FTW.
loxiabun
💜🥺😞
TheMoonBnuuy
A criminally underrated alternative to Windows95
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TheMoonBnuuy
I don't know, I mean scooters have their place... more fuel/energy efficient, you don't need a license to ride most of them, and they can slip through places the car can't... but then I guess Windows95 was better at running DirectX games
DdCno1
My local bank used this for their ATMs until around the early 2010s. I wish I was kidding. We're talking antiques with CRT screens and everything. They were hideously unreliable too, failing to count money or dispensing the wrong amount all the time. I know this OS was used, because it crashed quite frequently or failed to boot. I'm not blaming the OS - it was certainly fine for its time - but the age of the whole machines and the sorry state they were in.
foxmichaels
Okay, that is fucking impressive. Wow.
phalanxausage
Seriously stable, reliable operating system. I've got nothing bad to say about it.
IconicM
BeOS!
onecowboytoo
Damn, I just made that comment about that before scrolling way way down here. Guess I am not as special as I thought.
IconicM
https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1ejYwdHowOW5rbzNxNm4xZHUzbTFqYXR0YXFjM242N2tndTBxdmkzbyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/kSlJtVrqxDYKk/200w.webp
SavageDrums
I would recommend windows 10 over windows 11, is that an option?
TheMoonBnuuy
I mean you CAN, but there's caveats you should include, like a lack of security updates... though on the other hand, updates these days seem to be about 30% written by AI and that often causes issues... I recommend using the app on github to disable windows updates entirely if you use Windows 11, and only enabling them to update when you know the current state is safe...
Then there's "WinSlop" which is another app on github that disables the built in AI stuff.
MysticHermitMax
Don't forget all the bloatware you'd have to try uninstall 😅👍
TheMoonBnuuy
Try? WinSlop will uninstall it for you... it also kinda sorta surprised me by trying to update a bunch of stuff I didn't really care to update so... weird... I mean it's all stuff I have that there are updates for, but it's just like... exactly how does it know how to update all this weird stuff from laser cutter software to 3d printer slicers to web encryption certification utilities, etc?
aoshistark
The one and only reason I am using Win10 is because I can't play Sea of Thieves on win7. If not for that, I would still be on 7.
DdCno1
Did you at least get your updates extended for a year?
aoshistark
Only if they were free. I'm not paying them for "update privilege"
DdCno1
They are, but I'm not sure if this applies to the whole world.
Bojovnik84
The only time it happens, is when someone complains about a Mac, someone will say use Windows. When someone complains about Windows, someone says to se Linux.
TheMoonBnuuy
and when someone complains about Linux they'll say use Mac if it's too hard for you
ID1746
And so the circle is complete and life goes on.
DexOfOne
MacOS is my favorite Linux distro :)
TheMoonBnuuy
It's not Linux, it's BSD. The difference is so huge that by saying that you step on two different rakes at the same time. I know both Linux and BSD users who would cut you for that :P
DexOfOne
I know just enough about OS stuff to know that calling MacOS a "Linux distro" is wrong, but definitely not enough to know the full depth of it.
I have friends who are avid Linux users and boy are they passionate about it. Gotta give the rakes a wide berth when walking.
TheMoonBnuuy
In this case, MacOS is based on BSD. BSD is a Unix. Linux is descended from an OS that Linus Torvald created as a one off hack to salvage files from a crashed Minix system. And Minix is itself inspired by Unix but is not a Unix. It has about as much in common with Unix as the command prompt on MacOS has with MSDOS.
A non-computer analogy... imagine calling a Dodge Ram an "F150". You'll piss off both Dodge and Ford lovers for entirely different reasons..
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Rivalyn
Proton, developed by Valve and Codeweavers, is a compatibility layer for Windows software on Linux. A lot of games work perfectly with it and there are also a lot of games with native Linux support. So unless you're being extremely narrow in what you call a game, you're either uninformed or prompting a response such as this.
ignotoCiResto
what the fuck are you talking about? linux can run most game, damn just yesterday I got the nostalgia and installed fallout 4 on the linux side of my pc, fuck, thank to imgur I manage to play genshin impact on linux. This was just to say that linux can run wildly different game structures.
The real problem come from the anticheats. When an anticheat is far too encroaching on the system it will refuse to run on anithing that it cant fuck it up. And since anticheats cant fuck up linux...
drousnavat
I am considering switching to Linux to get away from Windows but my PC parts will not work with it and building a new PC is NOT happening.
ignotoCiResto
I had some problem myself with the drivers, so maybe I can help you.
I'm gonna ask you two things, if it aint bothering ya:
-what kind of hardware you (may) have problem with
-what kind of distro you want: this is a mix bag but by big lines
if you need a rock hard stable distro you go debian (ubuntu or kubuntu that have plasma)
ignotoCiResto
for more "indie stuff" and added security (firewall instelled out of the pack) you go fedora
red hat was born with servers in mind
opensuse is the paradise of opensource
arch is for the cultists that dont mind putting their hand in the system guts to solve a problem or to convert some drivers from debian to arch (yeah, I use arch XD)
Personally I think the first distro should be ubuntu: it have almost everything windows have and it's hard to fuck up. FYI: steamOS is arch XD
NullNameAvailable
I find that to be unlikely - you can run Linux on a toaster, given the right distro.
terajack2048
If you bought any prebuilt system many times the devices are bundled tightly with specialized drivers for that os , I tried to put mint on Toshiba while back and wireless card wouldn’t work
TheMoonBnuuy
That's not what's being said there. Whether it'll run on a machine or not isn't even what they're talking about, but rather the machine as a whole and the use case. Take for example nVidia video cards, they have piss poor driver support on Linux. Also Linux doesn't really handle PCVR games very well either.
adiving
Piss poor for linux standards yes. Which means you need to do about a minute of effort to get them to work. I prefer AMD for a dozen reasons.... but let's not pretend installing nvidia is hard in normal user distros.
TheMoonBnuuy
There's getting nVidia working and there's getting it working on par with full support of the hardware and its capabilities. Don't confuse desktop and basic OpenGL support for full shader model, ray tracing, and the built in native VR support.
linexnewt
Valve says "hold my beer". All these arguments about not using Linux are pretty stale. The only real argument anymore is if you have a very specific program or game that isn't supported natively. I've been running Linux since '98 and never had problems with Nvidia or AMD cards. And things are 1000x better than they used to be. My 18yr old switched his PC to Linux last year, he chose Arch. A friend gave him an old Quest 2 and he's been playing VR games on it from his PC. (HL2 mod is great).
NullNameAvailable
I was under the impression that nvidia support was sizeably improving in Linux land, but I'll admit I haven't ran Linux with a dedicated card in a couple years. My beefy PC is still Windows, as it's my gaming rig (though I'm considering trying Bazzite). Last I'd tried, though, Linux Mint and Pop!_OS both supported nvidia outputs and control sizeably well - I even wrote a GPU threaded program that ran at-least as good as Windows on Linux.
PCVR is niche, though
TheMoonBnuuy
"Improving" isn't the same thing as "on par"
As for VR being niche... not to me it's not. Hell, on Windows, I built an entire VR windowing system. I haven't actually recorded any demonstrations besides the earliest successful tests of it, but it's come a long way since this video. https://youtu.be/JlmaMbfpqKA
TheMoonBnuuy
The reason I haven't made more recent videos is because I added passthrough support so the windows from my Windows machine are displayed in the real world, and my apartment is too much of a mess for me to feel comfortable making more demonstrations.
ChloeRed
Depends on the nvidia driver - Nvidia's own just dropped support for pre 2000 cards, so if you have a 1080, tough.
iovebeans
Pop os has an explicitly nvidia version.
GreaseMonkeyOfLove
NORMAL people don’t recommend operating systems in average conversations because there are only 3.
ExTechOp
I have had the occasion to use the #1 response when that stupid (but beloved by pollsters) question "would you recommend" comes up concerning situations where I have no choice, like software used at work.
HexStadium
Honestly with how shit Microsoft has been lately with their broken updates, this conversation has really been happening more and more
NotHarroc
The only people who bring up an OS in conversations are linux users. They're like vegans. Gotta make sure other people know.
arajad
Most of the "normal" people I know are barely aware of what an OS is, much less which one they're using.
KaptainObveeus
PC? Desktop.
ipointoutnahtzeesbyreplyingtothem
Normal, because what they *do* in life is outside of caring about what specific computer system lets them go about their job, hobbies, and entertainment. In fact, no one normal cares about OSes anymore than secretaries cared about the brand of typewriter they used, or monks cared what kind of bird their feather came from. The things made, services provided, art created, novels written, food eaten are life. The specific methodology of memory allocation obfuscation is nothing and never mattered.
MissivesFromTheTower
Three normal people, three OS, or three average conversations? Help me out, will ya?
Strategicgnomer
Well, considering that there are hundreds of operating systems, it's not that one
GreaseMonkeyOfLove
Written like a programmer.
sometimesiupvoteatrandom
Yes
CallMeMcGyver
Three operating systems... there are only two "normal" people and I'm definitely not one of them.
MissivesFromTheTower
But they were all of them deceived, for the other normal people was not normal people at all. And, being two of them, all, in this particular instance, meant one.
Lycanthian
Shit bro what if you are and we just don't realize it?!
mafiacarstarter
Or more...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_operating_systems
DdCno1
That's a terrible list. It needs to be divided into historic and current operating systems at the very least. A family tree would also help.
mafiacarstarter
@op still uses AmigaOS. Who's going to try claiming that it is somehow a "historic" operating system?
There are currently people hosting web sites on Commodores.
You might as well just rearrange the list into OSs that you do or do not use.
DdCno1
What a weird hill to die on. I've used a mechanical calculator a few days ago. This doesn't make it not historic.
mafiacarstarter
Pencils could also be construed as historic, but they are still in constant use. Deciding that they should be relegated to a list of "historical" writing implements and not included in a list of "modern" writing implements would be profoundly arbitrary and provide no useful context aside from your personal disdain for them.
They are still in use. Software is still being made for them. What other criteria could you realistically use for a current operating system?
TheMoonBnuuy
If an operating system received its latest official update last year, would you call that "historic"?
Vebrandsson
Unix(of which there are many), Linux(of which there are also many), Windows, Mac, Solaris, BSD, Redox, Fuchsia, and the meme of Temple OS off the top of my head though there are dozens more.
DarkUranium
BeOS/Haiku, Plan9, and various Linux Kernel-based-but-not-really-Linux-the-OS thingies (ChromeOS, Android, Tizen, ...) come to mind.
Isorikk
I wouldn't categorize different distros of Linux as different operating systems, you can install the packages that differentiate them on any version
TheMoonBnuuy
most people collapse the Unixes int one and the Linuxes into one... SOME people collapse both all Unixes and all Linuxes into a count of one
aducksayswhat
You could go down a rabbit hole of trying to define what is an OS. Is each distro a distinct OS if it behaves differently? What about each version if there's significant differences? In that case what about mac/win when they change major things between versions that change behavior? If you swap enough bits of a distro how long before ship of theseus doesn't apply?
Vebrandsson
I feel like the difference has to lie somewhere in the kernel but I'm but savvy enough with the actual code of an OS to really define the exact line.
Vebrandsson
That begs the question do you then collapse mac in with unix?
PballQhead
Technically macOS is one of the few actual, certified Unixes (Unix is a specification, not just POSIX compliance): https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/
wejustdontknow
Technical you could
Vebrandsson
I feel like somewhere along the way there needs to be a line between Unix, and Unix like but distinct enough to be it's own thing. It's just a matter of debating where that line lies
TheMoonBnuuy
There's more than that, man. There's FreeBSD, QNX, AROS, MorphOS, ReactOS, osakaOS, freeOS, and a lot more
Frenchgeek
Haiku, recently got Nvidia drivers too.
TheMoonBnuuy
I mean Linux has nVidia drivers, the question is how well do the drivers support the hardware?
danstu
To normal people, I'd argue there's only two. Mac and Windows. By the time you add Linux in, you're talking to a geek. By the time you add Unix, you may very well be talking to a full on nerd. If a specific distro is named, you're talking to a developer, at which point it's best to back away slowly and make yourself appear large.
MysticHermitMax
Linux is becoming more mainstream especially thanks to Mint - more and more people are switching 👍
I'm in the process of switching over as well as switching my mom over - FLICK WINDOWS AND MICROSOFT! Right in the ear!
Isorikk
Honestly the easy distros like Ubuntu are probably better for the average user than Windows is, the only problem is the laptop they bought from BestBuy didn't come with it and they have no idea how to change an OS
TheMoonBnuuy
So you mean to tell me everyone using an Android phone is a geek? Everybody using a Steam Deck is a geek? The majority of desktop and laptop computer users are geeks?
danstu
Let me be clear, I work in IT provisioning, I'm one of the geeks. I'm just saying most people with android devices couldn't tell you it's Linux derived
TheMoonBnuuy
Except you didn't say that. You said there's only two OSs used by normal people, Mac and Windows, and Linux is geeks only.
I get that you misspoke and you know better, I'm just calling it out. There are three OSs used by normal people.
n0gal
According to Gartner, Linux is installed on 56% of all shipped computers, Mac is on 12%, and windows is only on 11% of shipped computers. Of that, the only area in computing that Windows has any relevant amount of markets are of is desktop PCs. https://www.computerworld.com/article/1666139/windows-comes-up-third-in-os-clash-two-years-early.html
danstu
My point is the average user only thinks of Windows/Mac. Most of those Linux devices are going to be servers or phones. The end user doesn't think about what OS a server is running, and doesn't think of their phone as a computer. If you asked a random person what OS their computer runs, Mac and Windows are going to be the most common answers by a long shot.
n0gal
Thank you for repeating what I said?