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BaleZur
Ok so we should still use leeches to remove bad blood right?
OhFaceYeah
Lived in the foothills and mountains of SoCal since birth. Whenever we get heavy rains in late winter it creates green brush, fuel for later
OhFaceYeah
It looks gorgeous in March. Everything is so green. Come June it’s already brown. When September shows up it’s millions of acres on fire.
BellerophonM
US forestry reintroduced controlled burns as part of their management strategy about 25 years ago.
Ulthirm
We do controlled burns and plant goatheads in the place of the sage, and then burn that and plant sage in the wetter months.
dessertcake
It’s obvious it needs to be burned if not it will burn itself... it’s literal fuel.
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
Pretty sure Cali did controlled burns since forever, then funding got gutted and they couldn't afford to do enough
certainlynotaserialkiller
california should just rake the forests, the president knows what he is talking about, he is the president after all.
imperfectregulator
It’s slightly more complicated then that, that said remember two things, controlled burns are important and tumblr over generalizes facts
SoItGoesQuarantineEdition
Why can’t we get environmental policy into 140 characters just like everything else?!?
dav3nasty
I’ve never heard of controlled burns being banned. There’s always controlled burns in whatever state I’m in. Is it just Cali?
graaghles
We do controlled burns here and have for decades. Some people just have a weird hate boner for California and spread lies.
nickemartin123456
California does controlled burns. This is talking about 100 years ago.
Turbolibros
Magjee
angelfixer
I’m in this picture and I’ve never liked it
Turbolibros
NervAssEva
MeezerStandardTime
I hate it when my chickens come home to roost.
NervAssEva
GravitySmellsLikeCheese
Did the Indians cause 51c temperatures followed by 10C the next day. No. It’s fucking climate change yo bloated suv driving morons
TheBelcherKids
kmlee83
The irony...
IdGiveMyEyeTeeth4That
I've been saying this for 35+ years. Read a scientists dire prediction that generations of stamping out every fire would lead to total loss.
nickemartin123456
California has been doing controlled burns since 1968.
EquinoxActual
Unfortunately environmentalism is rarely actually science based.
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EquinoxActual
I mean those people here in CA who chop down mature trees to replace them with solar panels and call that a win for the environment.
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EquinoxActual
Except it's CA state policy. There was a big honking board explaining that.
graaghles
Going out on a limb and guessing you don't actually read any peer reviewed articles and don't actually have a grasp on current science.
EquinoxActual
Guess again, I read and write peer reviewed articles for a living. That's how I know most activists and politicians don't.
Silkyninja1
Uuuhhhh... Californian here.We actually have & allow control burns all the time. Like every day there isn't a burn ban due to spread danger
FlamedLion
Most states do controled burns
StarkRG
It's been the policy of National Parks and the US Forest Service since about the 80s, this is not a recent policy change.
Meloncov
That's a relatively recent development. And now many places have become so overgrown that controlled burns are extremely difficult.
FlamedLion
My home state has always done it in a majority of land as far as I can tell. Great uncle used to help the Foresters with it
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
Controlled burns aren't a recent development, what are you smoking? At least in Canada they've been practiced for the better part of the 1/
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
2/ past century
FlamedLion
But fair enough, can only really speak where I'm from
goodisunpopular
It's not that recent. Florida has been doing controlled burns for at least 20 years. Used to have a problem with lightning caused wildfires
snipekill1997
So has Ca. It's just that we need to do more but it's legally difficult because of liability and land ownership issues.
Meloncov
"Recent" meaning last thirty years or so. But that's after sixty years of attempting total fire suppression.
StarkRG
The US Forest Service and National Parks have been doing it for decades. It's not like this is a recent change.
rainbowopossum
Florida used to have really bad wildfires too, until they figured out many smaller, cooler fires eliminated the bigger, hotter ones.
rainbowopossum
So they started doing prescribed burns. They also found out that a lot of our trees and ecosystems depend on fire
beerbatteredkush
Yes, people learn.
Turbolibros
Sigh. How the turn tables...
fishboy81
How many tables to the face dose it take to perfect that?
dancingsquared
That is a very specific set of skills...
DevonGronka
Imagine trying to explain this career choice to your parents...
IvanGordy
Imagine living confined by what your parents think.
DevonGronka
I'm not saying do that. But the conversation will eventually come up about how you are paying your bills and you will have to try to 1/2
DevonGronka
get them to understand that spin tables around with your feet and people actually pay you for it.
RVME
Wildfires caused by lightning are the means of controlling overgrowth. Of course, California firefighters didn't get the budget for it.
Kanati96
Hey watch your tone! we had to manifest our destiny!
thepenisqueen
Hey, you fought a war to seperate from Britain more than 2 centurie ago. Sorry but this one is on you USA. Don't blame Britain for this one.
LifeIsARollercoaster
This is just bs propaganda. Cali has been doing controlled burns for a long time using trained firefighters
kojenk
no. SOME people have been doing it inspite of Cali and because of that its far from enough.
StarkRG
The US Forest Service and National Parks have been doing controlled burns for decades. The issue with California is that it gets a fair
StarkRG
amount of rain in winter which results in a whole lot of grass growth in spring, which then completely dries out during the utterly rainless
StarkRG
summer. This means that, regardless of what burned last year, there's hundreds of thousands of acres of dry grass by fall.
LOLOLOOLOL
Which political party is in control of California?
DOLLmaker83
In these trying times, whatever you want to propagate.
nickemartin123456
California has been doing controlled burns since 1968
snipekill1997
The one that has been doing controlled burns for decades. But the state only owns so much land in Ca. Lots is private or federal.
Lethalcgreen
Did California really just unban controlled burns? Because we've been known those are good for the environment for like 20 years
nickemartin123456
California has been doing controlled burns since 1968
snipekill1997
No, it's been doing them for a while but the fact the state can't just torch federal or private land is becoming an issue.
Lethalcgreen
Ahhhhh ok thanks for the clarification, because I'm a biologist by education and I was like wtf we've known about this
snipekill1997
I mean it's a complex issue. Like if you're a private landowner you might want to burn but are worried about liability too. And (1)
snipekill1997
controlled burns are often unpopular because they worry people so even when they can it might not do enough. But even more. Ca is just (2)
snipekill1997
going to have fires. Even it won't take long for the fuel to grow back and then dry out. Burns just regulate it's density a bit. (3)
YvesStRollerblade
Never underestimate the ability of white people to fuck shit up.
AShartInTheWind
As a white person I support this message. There sure is a lot of butt hurt thin skinned people around here though.
ordomalleus61337
Persian empire would like a word. And imperial Japan. And China. And every other country that exists or did exist.
WizardHarryDresden
Lol fucking imgur, always good with racism if it's against the whites
thehumanoidsarecoming
This sentiment COMES from white people. Bitching about "white culture" referenced outdated ideals from the 50s and before. . .
WizardHarryDresden
Your ignorant racist ass can fuck right off
Yondering
Enough with the “white people” crap, unless you want to perpetuate the same kinds of comments about “black people” etc.
BrofessorDumbleBro
Hurr durr white people bad. Everyone else good. Hurr durr. That’s you, that’s what you sound like.
NukeItFromOrbitMan
Might want to pick a different username to avoid the confusion
BrofessorDumbleBro
Sure, I’ll get right on that one, just for you.
MakeKoriander
Yes, every single European is to blame for American stupidity. Any more intelligent racist remarks?
whhy
Had there been no Europeans there'd be no Americans. Soooo technically.......
Neuronyx
I'm not usually about the self hating 'white guilt' thing but seriously, if whites weren't the majority in wiping out natives, then who?
Ronelyn
Nah, mostly the British and the Spaniards in this case. A few Italians. Mostly just them.
ordomalleus61337
Don't be mad cause we were the best at what everyone else was doing
TheHillsHaveNostrils
Wow, that phrase is four different kinds of wrong! Impressive!
that300ZXguy
Why can't we just clean up the millions of acres of dead leaves and sticks with brooms? I heard that proposal from a super genius ?
henrikpetersson51
Wait, Trump said that?
HanShotFirst1
A super STABLE genius ?
FosterMomForKittens
Correction: “A Stable genius”. Who is anything but!
Appel99
If you did that, you’d be messing up the balance further.
thisisunique2
He gets his colour and his power directly from the sun, which is why he’s able to look directly at the sun while we can’t. We can vote tho!!
whatpassesforclever
Unless you live in Georgia, or Milwaukee, or any urban area in a battleground state, or vote by mail during a pandemic.
evilspyre
He probably has seen 'the help' picking up leaves on his golf courses and thinks thats how it should work everywhere.
thisisunique2
Genius
AnythingMuchShorter
there's over 300 million americans so that has to be a total of what? At least 1.2 billion servants.
DoctorDerpper
Id like to help, but Ive got a flourescent UV bulb up my ass and I've been pounding shots of bleach since May. No covid tho ?
WhereIsMyAppleQuava
Was that bleach thing in MAY? Time is flying.
thisisunique2
I also put the uv and the bleach, then looked at the sun.
FajitaPrinceofAllMexicans
Aren't you supposed to inject it though? Straight into your blood he said!
DoctorDerpper
Dang nabbing, now I just look like a fool.
Mack1986
100 years ago people thought wolves were bad animals so they overhunted them. Then some deer overpopulated and nearly went extinct
Ninjainslippers
There's been a fight to reintroduce grizzlies in WA state and I'm all for it, even if it means a small risk I get eaten by a bear.
defaulted
This happened in the Adirondacks. Wolves disappeared, white tail took over, moose caught brain disease from white tail and all died.
defaulted
Then the white tail took over and go through rises and falls of starvation and mass die out due to overpopulation
pritolus
It's a big talking point and cause of political division in Norway, a very loud minority wants the wolves gone and for some fucked up >>
pritolus
>> reason the government is listening to them. They're claiming that they fear for their lives, yet the last fatal wolf attack in Norway >>
pritolus
>> was 220 years ago. There's no record of anyone being harmed by wolves in Norway since then. Sheep farmers also claim wolves kill too >>
pritolus
>> many sheep, yet not only are sheep lost to predators only a tiny fraction of total sheep lost, but farmers are recompensated for every >>
pritolus
>> livestock animal lost to predators. I think it's really just hunters who don't want the wolves to make it harder for them to find and >>
Cotcan
People often only see things from one perspective and do not take into account others. So many times assumptions made on paper do not 1/2
Cotcan
not translate the way they thought they would because of this. 2/2
LordVulpix
xkjagnz
How come people hunt, why don't they just buy their meat from the supermarket where no animals are harmed? ?
JimStarluck
Wolves aren't eating deer -> deer overpopulate and start running out of food -> deer look for food in different places, like flood plains ->
JimStarluck
Flood plains begin eroding faster without vegetation stabilizing them -> flooding damages human settlements that wiped out the wolves
CaptainHotGarbage
6 months ago I pooped in an alley behind an Arby's and now I'm hooked on phonics and unemployed
thisiskissel
*fonix
MarxAvenger
Good to know the American Dream is alive and well.
stuckintrafficwhilecrying
They're small groups of people that don't want wolves reintroduced in Colorado.
phobos535
Same in Germany. Some wolves already got shot and beheaded. Although now we slowly get enough wolves that some control is needed
ThankYouForYourTime
Unsolicited movie recommendation about wolf preservation: Druid Peak. It was really good, I was expecting cheesy.
Iloveanonymityandilovebeingnoticed
I don’t think that’s just Colorado.
otiumCatulli
There's no logic, they hate wolves irrationally, like they love Trump. Say things like "wolves kill horribly" bitch that's nature
BubblesTheFish
If it's just a small group of people that disagree why not send in the wolves?
CaptainMilk
There're*
ThankYouForYourTime
Is this real? Is this a real contraction? I’m saying “There-urr” when I sound that out, is this real life?
CaptainMilk
That's right. English language is a cruel bitch.
notyourusualsaturdaynight
We back burn here in straya. Helps a shit ton. The aboriginals has been doing that shit for centuries
Professionallyretarted
More like 30-40 thousand years.. give or take
snipekill1997
Yeah and the aboriginals notably altered ecosystems. They were the same as the people torching the amazon! Ca has been doing controlled (1)
snipekill1997
burns for decades and probably not been enough but just fuck off with this noble savage bullshit!(2)
notyourusualsaturdaynight
Dude the difference between most indigenous cultures and the white man, is that they live within and part of their environment >
notyourusualsaturdaynight
They understand the land and the ecosystem on an instinctual level. Shows how out of touch humans are with their own environments
snipekill1997
Yeah that's why North America's wooly mammoths only went extinct in the 1800s after Europeans finally hunted the last ones.... wait...
thehumanoidsarecoming
This is partly a myth, ceasing burning was purely a move to preserve maximum capital by rich guys that wanted to use the west.
snipekill1997
https://www.culturalsurvival.org/publications/cultural-survival-quarterly/ecologically-noble-savage
nunyabidnesstwats
The indigenous Australians didn't do controlled burns. They burned down forests and hunted fleeing animals. Humans are always fuckin shit up
SchrodingersCats
millennia even
imnotryan
Boy this year proved that Australia knows how to handle wild fires rofl
Pillagethecity
You back burn half of the country recently.
MagicOrpheus310
We stopped doing a lot of that around - surprise surprise... The places that recently burnt to the shit house!! Fucken greens in Canberra
5555252545
See.. thats what happens when brits colonise. They knew how to use local know how. /s
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Thethundercougarfalconbird
Not the /s for sarcasm
Thethundercougarfalconbird
I think a few people are missing the /s for sarcasm and going straight to triggered
DevonGronka
They totally fucked up African agriculture by trying to force people to stay in one place and grow food on land where it wouldn't grow. 1/2
DevonGronka
native populations understood that you had to move around and let fields fallow for a long time.
Nunyajonesinc
Dude, Australia is an example of what NOT to do even colonizing a new country. Just search invasive animals
notyourusualsaturdaynight
Dude was being sarcastic, hence the /s
drzdeano
Tis a sensitive topic, a mere /s doesn't do that justice
Nunyajonesinc
Ah missed it, sorry dude
Lateguyj
Needed to see this wholesome apology made me smile.
Davos10
I've seen that tactic used to catch little critters for food.
wOOtist
Not enough, kinda let it go and hey presto, last summer got a hell of a lot hotter. But yeah, it's a good practice, hopefully we've learned
relevent
Even the fucking birds in Aus know to set controlled fires.
RackhamTheRed
I imagine if you just do nothing it will cause a fire in Australia
sydneygirl
yes, I saw them in Kakadu dropping firesticks
GinOClock
Oz place names are the best.
surelyoneoftheseusernamesisavailable
Like Woolloomooloo? Or Coonabarabran? Murwillumbah? Murrumbidgee? We use a lot of aboriginal words to name places. It's cool.
brutal4thepizza
Hey fellow Aussie. Just for reference the term is not back burn, it is hazard reduction or controlled burn. A back burn is a tactic used 1/
Incub
Both wrong. It’s called firestick farming.
AlwaysTrustTheManInABigWhiteVan
2/2 by replying "ur mom" after someone hands out a sick burn to you.
brutal4thepizza
When fighting an out of control fire. They select a location ahead of the fire ( must have favorable wind) and light it up. The fire will 2/
brutal4thepizza
'Burn back' toward the fire front and burn the potential fuel before the out of control head can. This will reduce the speed, 3/
brutal4thepizza
And severity of the out of control fire. It is generally used when the fire is too strong to fight with a direct attack (water guns)and 4/
Hayashima
"Water guns" Now I'm imagining a fire department using nothing but Super Soakers.
brutal4thepizza
The wind and temperature will enable a controlled backburn. :) i hope this info was useful. Heil Dandrews. :p
rainblowblob
As a fellow Aussie I actually didn't realise the difference in the term! Thanks for the info :)
Goacorona
Fule reduction burn. Needs ideal conditions unless you are the DPI and burn whenever and set the place ablaze
squintish
Also called cultural burning.
Yacobs21
We do it in Arizona too. Also the aborigine were there for millenia
chiefrunswithscissors
I mean they didn't really control it. They irreparably altered the landscape and are attributed to being the likely greatest cause of mass 1
chiefrunswithscissors
Extinctions in human history
Malsbury
Who?
chiefrunswithscissors
Indigenous Australians
nunyabidnesstwats
Yeah they used to set whole forests on fire and stand on the edge of them killing all fleeing animals. Clever technique but bad.
PsychicWill
Any sarcasm aside, they do controlled burns in Florida too. Now I’m questioning the knowledge of the West coast.
snipekill1997
We do burn. It's just it's so dry and hot it's hard to do enough safely/only works so well.
nantukoprime
Decades of controlled burn policy. Official fed recommendations in the 70s, political attention in 1988, revisit when events occur.
crazyspelling
Weirdly, coming off of that huge drought hurt a lot. A shit ton of fuel grew as soon as we got some rain, and everything old was dry as fuck
crazyspelling
We were having a great season here (for once) before that fucky lightning storm.
meatpudding
They also made it worse by introducing Eucalyptus to California.
Weregerbil2
It's not the knowledge so much as the law. Calfornia has tons of planned burn restrictions which make it hard to find a good time to burn
RackhamTheRed
Why are they in place though?
PsychicWill
Oh, that clears that up.
ST3RBEN
I read all of that but with Steve Irwin’s accent
loosersic
I read that in Trump's accent.... ;-(
notyourusualsaturdaynight
CRIKEY!
Berethian
We stopped, because the Greens and Labor didn't like it. Whoops. There was a lot of "I told you so" from the Aboriginal community.
Brunitski
yeahhh. That's bullshit.
supergams
Nah mate https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/12/is-there-really-a-green-conspiracy-to-stop-bushfire-hazard-reduction
Berethian
Ah yes, The Guardian. That's the left wing loony equivalent of posting Fox News for when the right wing loonies want to prove something.
supergams
Haha, good one. https://factcheck.aap.com.au/social-media-claims/the-burning-truth-about-the-greens-bushfire-risk-
Berethian
I'm not wrong about the Guardian! Also that page gives me a 404?
supergams
As for the I told you so from the aboriginal community - that's ongoing and justified regardless of the political hues of the govt.
supergams
Last community representative I spoke to said that it's changing but slowly. The reduction burning we currently do is generally at odds with
supergams
their advice. Doubly so for private property holders. Though that proba my varies from one area to another.
RATGUT
So wait if you guys do controlled burns why did your entire country go up in smoke a little bit ago? That was a horrible fire.
notyourusualsaturdaynight
Over east they do fuck all controlled burns. Over here in the west we do that shit year round and still don’t cover enough ground
efemral
I don't know what you're talking about. I live Sydney and they do it all the time. Today for example.
notyourusualsaturdaynight
I heard you guys do very little in comparison
efemral
I can't speak for places other than Sydney, but there is burning off done very often, every year. It's pretty full on sometimes.
ClassyReposts
There was a change in power some time ago and now the aborigines are not in charge anymore.
lettuceleavesblowinginthewind
Liberal party (right leaning) moving mass funds away from forest control played a huge part, drought, political lack of enviro understanding
Malsbury
We've got a lot of bush to burn.
Vessecora
Because we were in drought and it kept being deemed unsafe to try controlled burns so it all piled up
Pooprocketpower
That's been California's problem lately, too
valen00
I mean they did more burning last year than any year before then.
hannibalbarcalounger
Didn't really matter by the, needed to do more years ago, years in a row, to reduce fuel loads. I remember reading on the ABC about a 1/3
hannibalbarcalounger
Couple who had been campaigning for years to have more hazard reduction done. Then 3 years ago they gave up and built a heavy 2/3